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Clippers 102 - Lakers 91 - The Clippers Exceed Expectations

Let the optimism begin.

The Clippers beat the Lakers after nine consecutive losses, 102-91.  They did it convincingly.  They did it solidly.  They did it, most importantly, in the fourth quarter.  They have now won four of their last five, including victories over the two best teams in the league, the Lakers and the Celtics.  If there were lingering doubts before, they are now gone.  The Clippers are for real, and they have every intention of making this season interesting, no matter how long it takes to get Blake Griffin back on the floor.  And of course, that's when it gets really interesting.

In the game preview, I emphasized that Baron Davis needed to dominate the point guard matchup, the one position on the floor where the Clippers had a clear advantage.  Let's give him a big check mark on that one.  From the opening tip, Baron abused Derek Fisher.  He scored the first time he touched the ball, and then picked Fisher clean 5 seconds later.  It didn't matter much when the Lakers went to Shannon Brown or Jordan Farmar - nobody could guard him, and Baron played arguable his best game as a Clipper. 

It wasn't just the production either.  25 points, 10 assists, 5 rebounds, 2 steals, 10 for 18 shooting - that's all great.  But Baron was a LEADER tonight.  He had the team focused and executing from the beginning.  It's not a fluke that his plus/minus was plus 20 in 37 minutes of play.  When he was on the floor, the Lakers were not going to win, because if the Clippers needed a basket, Baron was going to get one.

Star-divide

The numbers in the box score are all positive for the Clippers.  46% shooting to 38% for the Lakers.  A 50 to 44 rebounding.  28 assists on 40 made baskets.  And importantly, only 11 turnovers.  After back to back games with 20 turnovers (both Clipper wins, surprisingly) the Clippers needed to do a better job taking care of the ball, and they did it.

But the ebb and flow of the game tells a story that we aren't used to in Clips Nation.  When the Clippers went ice cold and lost their 15 point third quarter lead, the roof didn't collapse.  The Lakers got within two with a minute to go in the third - but after missing six straight shots, the Clippers scored the final four of the period to stretch it back to six (on a basket by Baron and an assist by Baron).  Then, when the Lakers scored the first six points of the fourth to tie the game for the first time since 38-38, instead of folding, the Clippers re-took control of the game.  With 7 minutes to go, Farmar made two free throws to tie the game at 83.  The Clippers proceeded to go on a 16 to 2 run to build an insurmountable 99-85 advantage.  Close Clipper-Laker games frequently feature 16 to 2 fourth quarter runs - but invariably it's the Lakers doing the running.

I really can't emphasize this point enough.  The Clippers have blown 20 point leads in multiple games this year.  Meanwhile the Lakers have toyed with opponents all season, playing from behind and then closing furiously to get the win.  That the Clippers might build an early double digit lead and that the Lakers might erase that lead is not surprising.  That the Clippers would then go on to win the game decisively - that's shocking.  And it's also a big step forward for this club.

If Baron gets the game ball for the Clippers, Craig Smith gets honorable mention.  He put up 12 points, 6 rebounds and 3 assists in 20 minutes, shooting 6 for 7 from the field.  He just loves playing the Lakers.  He has four double digit scoring games this season, and two of them have come against LAL.  It's interesting because Smith is the opposite of long.  He's squat.  And he loves to go against long, lanky Lamar Odom.  Smith is used to having guys outreach him - everyone does it.  He just wants to get into his defenders body and move him back under the basket, where that length doesn't matter.  Odom's thin frame and high center of gravity can't keep Smith out of the paint.  So while Lamar is a great low post defender against most of the league, he can't figure out the bowling ball that is Craig Smith.

Going into the game, we assumed that Kaman and Gordon would also have to have good games.  Neither played poorly - but nor were they in peak form.  It's a testament perhaps to how good this team can be when everything is clicking that they just beat the Lakers with Kaman shooting 7 for 19 from the field and Gordon making only one jump shot.  To his credit, EJ did not settle for his jumper too often, and got into the paint numerous times where he was 6 for 6, helping him to a 7 for 12 shooting night despite the fact that his jumper was off.  (How good can this guy be, if he can 18 points in 11 shots on the Lakers on a night when he's ice cold from outside?  Wow.)  Kaman likewise struggled with his jumper but contributed in other ways.  He grabbed 14 rebounds and played solid defense on Andrew Bynum, winning his personal matchup with the other center in LA.  Kaman finished with 21 points and 14 rebounds.  It was his 11th 20+ game out of his last 12.

The other thing we saw on offense was a very aggressive, up tempo attack.  The Clippers scored 26 fast break points - a season high.  Part of it was simply the energy they brought to the game - they were clearly pumped for this game, and they were flying up and down the court filling lanes.  But it was also by design - they clearly thought that the Lakers' transition defense could be exploited, and they were correct.  It's no coincidence that Baron had one of his best games as a Clipper in a game in which they were pushing the tempo.  By the way, you won't see a better bounce pass than the one Baron threw forty feet to Rasual Butler for the jam.  Milph praised it highly, but they never really gave it enough credit in my opinion.  If you haven't seen it, take a look on NBA.com.

He had a tiny window between Kobe on the left and Bynum on the right, and he actually put spin on the ball that made it bounce up and back to Butler.  If he throws that ball straight through that opening without english, it skips out of Butler's reach and out of bounds.  Watch it come out of his hand in the slow motion - he very deliberately puts spin on the pass.  That is a simply amazing dish.

As for the defense, the Clippers held Kobe Bryant to 10 for 30 shooting.  Though he finished with 33, no one else on the Lakers was able to step up and help him.  They really missed Pau Gasol in this one, as the offense seemed stagnant and wholly dependent on number 24.  Bynum finished with 15, but he took 16 shots to get there.  Shannon Brown made a nice contribution off the bench with 15 points, but no one else wearing purple reached double figures.  Odom was 3 for 11, and was thwarted on three crucial plays - once when Baron drew a charge, and on key blocks by Camby and Kaman.  Ron Artest was 3 for 7, and showed the worst part of his game on a key fourth quarter possession, when he overdribbled his way into a turnover and an Eric Gordon dunk the other way.  I really feel like that play was the momentum swinger for the Clippers - if the Lakers score on that possession, the game is tied again, and instead the Clippers built the lead back to four at the start of their 16-2 run. 

For his part, Kobe was absolutely magnificent - for 2 and a half minutes in the third quarter.  Over the course of those 150 seconds, he scored 14 points on six consecutive Laker possessions, making 5 of 5 field goals and 3 of 3 free throws.  The other 38 minutes he was on the court he was 5 for 25 - 20%.  As they did against Brandon Roy on Monday, the Clippers played defense by committee - EJ got the assignment to start, but Al Thornton, Ricky Davis, Baron Davis and Rasual Butler all spent time on him.  Butler did the best job (Kobe's a little too big for EJ).  At one point in the fourth, Sool cut off the baseline drive so effectively that Kobe simply went out of bounds with the ball. 

Speaking of Butler, we haven't really been talking about it, but look who the starting small forward is again.  Rasual has gotten three consecutive starts - all three of them Clipper victories.  It didn't seem like a definitive move at first.  He started against the Sixers because of the matchup - MDsr wanted him on Iguodala.  Then Thornton was sick and Butler started against the Blazers, while Al played only 9 minutes.  Tonight, Butler once again was in the starting lineup, and Thornton played only 6 minutes.  I'm assuming that is at least partially because of Al's recent illness still, especially considering that the Artest matchup would seem to have favored Al as the bigger three.  But regardless of the reason, it's hard to ignore that the team is on a three game winning streak and really seeming to gel with Butler in the first five.  I've always believed that this was MDsr's preference with this roster - Butler was just shooting so poorly early in the season that it wasn't working.  But with Rasual having relocated his touch, he seems to be a better fit for the first unit, as we suspected he would be.  Let's keep an eye on this over the next several games.  Al has not been good off the bench this season, but if he embraces the role, I think he could be an ideal sixth man.

The Clippers get three days off before taking on Miami Sunday afternoon.  The team keeps hanging around .500, and they can climb back to within a game of break even against the Heat.  If they play like they did tonight, it won't be a problem.

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This is why i was glad when i saw the lakers beat houston last night

The clippers showed something that of a playoff team and really showed how deep we really are

by Takebb909 on Jan 7, 2010 12:22 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

I can't remember the last time I've seen the Clippers play this well...

This was a great game for the Clippers. There are so many positives, but I’ve got to start with Baron Davis. He looked like the guy we signed for $65 million instead of the apathetic player he was last year. He was the guy I remember loving on the Warriors. I watched the game live on Prime Ticket, but I watched a bit of the replay on ESPN and Mark Jackson said “This is the Baron Davis you have to love.” He couldn’t be more right. The 25 and 10 were great. He made some great shots (especially when Kobe was going off) and some even better passes (probably should have had more than 10 dimes). However, it was the attitude he exuded on the court that impressed me the most. He came out of the locker room with fire in his eyes. He understood the importance of this ball game, and he was a leader out there. Directing traffic, huddling the guys up during time outs, taking charge on the sideline, chest bumping other players. He was doing all of the things you want your point guard to do. Last year, I vowed not to call him by any nickname until he played like he deserved one, silly as that may sound. Tonight, I was calling him Boom Dizzle for the whole second half. He is back!

The team defense on Kobe was superb. I think the fact that the Clippers don’t have a premiere stopper really benefited them tonight, because the gave Kobe at least 5 different looks on defense. This really frustrated him, as he could never settle into an offensive groove. He became the selfish man we all hate, forcing up a lot of bad shots and 10 for 30 is terrible. Other than that one stretch in the third quarter, Kobe was contained well.

I’ve got a lot more on my mind, but Steve wrote an excellent recap that captures most of my opinions. Hopefully, the Clippers can keep this going and get back to .500 ball. GO CLIPPERS!

"If a Clippers fan is reading a newspaper in his living room and the ceiling falls on him, he'll just shrug and move to another room." -Bill Simmons

by WestsideBrandon on Jan 7, 2010 12:25 AM PST reply actions  

Another thing worth noting is that Clipper Nation came out to Staples Center tonight. This is usually another home game for the Lakers, but not this time. The Clips had the support they needed and it was such a great thing to see.

I’ll be there for the last LAL @ LAC game of the year.

by Cay.Clipper1 on Jan 7, 2010 12:33 AM PST reply actions  

Not sure if it was 50/50

especially judging by the jerseys BUT there were a lot of neutral fans who came to watch the game and by the end the Clippers had won them over as they clearly were the more hungry team.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jan 7, 2010 1:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed Cay and Chuck...

One thing I noticed tonight was that there were alot of Lakers jerseys, but the Clippers fans were louder for once. Maybe it had to do with the tempo of the game, and the Lakers were never really able to build any sort of lead. I also think that alot of Clippers fans don’t wear jerseys or team gear (I don’t), so they might look like netural fans, but they’re actually normal Clips fans who are laid back and just enjoying the game.

The other thing was, this Lakers crowd is much less obnoxious than in recent years. There was just one guy in our section who tried to start MVP or the Let’s go Lakers chant, but he was the lone voice in the wilderness. Again, it might be because we controlled the game from almost start to finish, but they seemed respectable and subdued for once. Maybe the recession has sapped the spending power of the louder Lakers fans who can’t afford Lakers tickets…who knows.

by MichaelCage on Jan 7, 2010 1:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Kobe's quote

He was quoted on the radio dismissing the Clips fans. He said “It’s a Lakers crowd, there’s no back and forth.”

by madglove on Jan 7, 2010 2:35 PM PST up reply actions  

More reason to root against him

There will always be a anti-lakers crowd, besides there’s no reason the Clippers can’t move into a Jets or Mets role versus the Yanks. If you win, they will come and we have the better young foundation (Griffin and EJ) than the Lakers (Bynum). The Lakers didn’t really start winning championships until Magic got to town, we just need to find (or get lucky) our version of Magic.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jan 7, 2010 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Kobe can talk all he wants but we are 1-1 with them now and that is the facts.

We just gotta keep winning that’s all.

Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.

by HVYDRT007 on Jan 7, 2010 4:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Definitely

Was one of the best Clipper game I’ve been at since probably the ‘06 playoffs. This was unlike any other Laker Clipper game. There was at least a 50/50 split and us Clipper fans were loud and didn’t let it turn into a Laker home game. Great game, let’s keep rolling!

by besaje on Jan 7, 2010 12:44 AM PST reply actions  

Great win

Nothing like beating the Lake Show. Great game, great defense on Kobe. Clips benefited greatly from Pau’s absence, perhaps a reason why Craig Smith went wild. Artest looked a bit lost as well. Baron was a monster tonite…it’s amazing what a difference a year makes when it comes to his defense.

Sunday is a critical game, a matinee vs the Heat. Clips must come out ready to play, not the usual sleepy pace weekend day games tend to take. Looking ahead at the next 5 games, their schedule is truly tough as nails, so the road to .500 will not be easy. As always, good health and intensity is key.

This is going to be my team, and we're going to rise together.
-Clipper Darrell

by oasisman on Jan 7, 2010 12:46 AM PST reply actions  

Wasn't sure we were this good...

BD best game as a Clipper hands down, and this is why he’s so frustrating to so many Clipper fans. He has talent to spare, but isn’t always focused and on task. Against the Lakers, i’ve seen him play with more juice than against anyone else, and tonight he was able to harness that energy and play a great all around game.

Rasual Butler. The shooting line may not stand out, but he grabbed some key rebounds, and most importantly played some really tough defense, getting some key blocks and just manning up in general. No turnovers is always nice also, so is a + 20.

Craig Smith. No fear, man. Key plays when the game was hanging in the balance. His steadiness and size advantage on Odom was absolutely key. This is why we signed the guy. He’s worth having around just for games like this.

Marcus Camby. For heavy weight games such as this, with each possession having a sense of importance, this is where Camby’s D’ and play-making ability really shine.

Kaman. Didn’t really get it going, but made some key plays, especially the steals which swung momentum our way, and really threw the Lakers for a loop. Ditto for Gordon.

Dunleavy. Got to hand it to him tonight. Definitely his biggest win in a while, and the team seemed to play on an even keel, especially as the game progressed. Have to credit him for steadying the ship.

by ghost_ride on Jan 7, 2010 12:59 AM PST reply actions  

Rhino

We didn’t sign him. We traded for him (essentially Zbo for Butler, Telfair and Rhino).

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jan 7, 2010 1:36 AM PST up reply actions  

great game

I too thought camby and sool were great in addition to bd. After the game bd talked about how great it was to have sool in the starting lineup along with ej. He said it stretched the D and allowed him to do what he wanted all night long.

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jan 7, 2010 8:41 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Sool made a nice adjustment last night. The first two fast break oppurtunities he was timid going up with the ball. I believe he tried (and missed) a layup and pulled up and shot a jumper (another miss.) At this point, I argued that that AT should be brought into the game, because with the fast pace of play AT will finish those plays above the rim. Sool made the adjustment though, and for the rest of this game he was finishing with dunks and it got him going. I had no idea that Butler had that kind of game in him, where he could be aggresive and take the ball to the rim and finish. Well done indeed.

by Michael White on Jan 7, 2010 8:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Good point on Sool...

Early the Clippers missed those two break opportunities (3 on 1 and 2 on 1) and I had a bad feeling we were going to miss those points down the stretch. But Sool dunked the next three, including one that surprised everyone, including the semi-posterized Lamar Odom.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jan 7, 2010 8:55 AM PST up reply actions  

I remember that dunk

where he put it down on Odom. After he dunked he came back down and looked towards the crowd behind the backboard and just paused. Boy oh boy was it nice ..

by yaggiefresh on Jan 7, 2010 9:49 AM PST up reply actions  

was listening on the radio

when sool botched that fast break. BD went right back to him in the same situation one or two plays later and that helped him get back on track. There’s just a much better team chemistry when Sool is out there. Plus, when he’s missing at least a 3 pointer has a good chance at an offensive rebound. When Thornton is off his game, he doesn’t give you the team defense, and he’ll take the kind of shots that can really kill momentum.

by ghost_ride on Jan 7, 2010 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

This was a great win...

I got back from Staples and had to watch the second half replay on FSW. This win was satisfying because we beat a very good Lakers team that did not play badly. I watched the Lakers played against Milwaukee, Golden State, and Sacramento and they looked bored and disinterested for long stretches. They did not do that tonight, we just flat out-played them. Truthfully, I think they looked better tonight then they did against Houston…their turnover was way down and they got decent shots that didn’t fall or were well defended by our guys. Everyone contributed, even Seabass played well in the second quarter to spell Baron…though he was a disaster in the fourth.

This was Baron’s best game, by far, as a Clipper. As bad as Baron looked last year, as out of shape as he was, he has backed up his word over the summer and then some. The Baron we saw tonight was the Baron that we thought we had signed from Golden State. He has had bad games this year, when his shots didn’t fall and his decision making was questionable, but he controlled the game tonight like an elite point guard. When it comes to Baron, I have to admit that I had wanted him gone from the team last season. More level headed fans like Zhiv has been proven right. Baron has regained his form, and he is now a leader and a contributor on this Clippers squad, something that was hard to imagine last year.

I agree with ghost_ride above, Dunleavy did a great job tonight. There might have been some personnel decisions that I might disagree with, but he deserves alot of credit for good game management. For most of the first half, EJ did a great job defending Kobe; playing him straight up, keeping Kobe in front of him and not going for his ball fakes. When we did double Kobe, we disguised it well. And my buddy noted that after Kobe got hot in the third, we switched matchup and put a bigger Rasual Butler on him, giving him different looks throughout the game. Craig Smith also came up with some huge baskets, and it was interesting to see him get the minutes over Camby in the fourth due to his offensive skills. As SP noted, that Craig Smith-Lamar matchup in the fourth was key, and we decisively won that battle, and consequenlty, the game. Camby has been a work horse for us all year, so keeping Craig Smith in and not playing Camby at all in the fourth was a gutsy move by Dunleavy.

In the long run, I still feel that EJ needs to be better integrated into the offense. And though Rasual’s play has been elevated of late, we still need Al to step up and contribute for this team to be really successful. As down as we’ve been on Dunleavy and the ballclub, wins like tonight proves that the players haven’t given up on Dunleavy or on themselves. We might not like Dunleavy very much, but if the players are willing to step up and play for the man, maybe MDSr deserves to finish the season and see if he can recapture some of the magic of his earlier years. This was a huge step forward tonight. Now we can’t take a step backwards. We need to beat a competitive Heat ballclub that needs a win as badly as we do.

by MichaelCage on Jan 7, 2010 1:36 AM PST reply actions  

Thornton & Telfair

The two least effective members of the team luckily didn’t have much time on the court to spoil the game for us. Did we really miss AT tonight, or even in the last few games? Sad as it is, I really think his lack of time on the court/ involvement has been a big reason for the teams recent success.

by ghost_ride on Jan 7, 2010 1:56 AM PST up reply actions  

No I agree...

Thornton hasn’t been very effective the last few games, even before he got the stomach virus. I think that long term, though, AT has some skills that this team needs in order to succeed. As a rookie two years ago, when we were decimated by injuries, he was the go-to scorer and was the sole bright spot in a dismal season. You can tell that we’re trying to figure out how to integrate EJ and Thornton into an offense that is predicated on Kaman posting up and Baron driving and dishing. EJ fits better because he can hit the spot up jumper, though we’re not maximizing all his skills in such a role. Before Rasual started hitting his spot up 3’s again, Al was effective when he slashed to the hoop, which opened up his mid range game. We need to run set some picks for our perimeter guys to get to the rim (both EJ and Al). Mostly, we just leave them on isos or kick the ball out of the post for a bailout shot.

Telfair needs to be steadier only because he is the only legitimate backup point guard we have on the roster. As much as Mardy Collins played point last year, I don’t think that’s his natural position. Seabass played relatively well in the first half. He ran the offense and didn’t force his shots. In the fourth, he felt like he needed to hit jumpers as the Lakers were pulling closer. Granted, there had been games this year where he had hit some big shots for the second unit, but his mid range game is just not consistent. He just needs to run the offense and shoot only when he’s open.

by MichaelCage on Jan 7, 2010 2:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Beating the Heat is the measuring stick

This team has had big wins but way to often don’t show up the next game the need to win that game to truly prove themselves. Thornton needs to learn to accept his role because reagrdless of match-up Butler is the better fit on the team. Al Thornton’s play style will be the factor against the Heat.

by KillaClip on Jan 7, 2010 1:37 AM PST reply actions  

that's right

Smart fans know that this is just one game and that we have the talent to win these games routinely. Particularlky as Camby said afterwards on the second half of a back to back. Bd’s got to get motivated consistently and I think butler needs to stay a starter for the offense to click. If thornton embraces the bench role they can do well. What a great win and hopefully a harbringer of things to come.

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jan 7, 2010 8:54 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

LOL

“Smart fans know that this is just one game and that we have the talent to win these games routinely.”

No team routinely beats the Lakers. What kind of bizarre expectation is that? In fact no team has beaten them twice this season yet.

A smart fan wouldn’t make a point that amounts to that.

At any rate, its enough for the Clippers to sometimes beat the best teams in the league, which they have clearly shown they are capable of by now. The Clips are all right.

Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball

by John R on Jan 7, 2010 9:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Relax - I just said "smart fans" as a teaser response to M Cage (Level headed)

The point being that there’s no need to denigrate fans who may think differently than you do. You reacted as you should have reacted to that type of comment. Thanks for playing.

Having said that, my larger point is correct – good teams routinely win at home. Particularly against teams with one of their best players out and coming off a back to back. Those are the kinds of expectations that good teams have. The Clips will be all right if they can consistently play well. As BD said after the game, they are starting to find their chemistry. I hope that’s true, and I hope BD continues to play motivated.

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jan 7, 2010 9:28 AM PST up reply actions  

LOL

" Particularly against teams with one of their best players out"

Well if Phil Jackson was a good coach this wouldn’t matter would it?

You are a pretty funny guy Jax.

The Clippers are a good team, not a great team. Routinely beating the Lakers on any floor is not a reasonable expectation and a pretty silly thing to say.

Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball

by John R on Jan 7, 2010 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

If I give you $5 will you go away?

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jan 7, 2010 10:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Maybe

you should have said ‘savvy fans.’

by pipedreams on Jan 7, 2010 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

i honestly dont think the dropoff from playing pau + bynum is super huge between lamar + bynum.

when pau plays bynum and lamar do not play as well (the stats back it up hugely).

so if anything i don tthink its that big an excuse since they have a more than decent replacement.

if the clips had lebron, and he was injured and al had to play that would be an “excuse”

by hans007 on Jan 8, 2010 1:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Are you saying I'm not a "smart fan?"

LOL what’s the deal with you trying to pick fights with everyone on the site that disagrees with you Jax? It IS just one win but a significant one. I keep my expectations realistic when it comes to the Clips. I didn’t expect to beat the Lakers but I thought we are capable of beating them if everything breaks the right way. Having said that, I didn’t expect this roster to make the playoffs in the summer, even with Blake, and I don’t expect them to make it now. What I AM happy about is the steady improvement that we are seeing, because it makes a playoff spot feasible either this year or next. Not everyone who doesn’t want Dunleavy gone right away is a dumb fan, Jax. Let it go, enjoy the win, and listen to your pal John R for once.

by MichaelCage on Jan 7, 2010 12:10 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I think you misread my post MC

I was merely responding to yours. I’m not picking fights with anyone and I am enjoying the ride. Please heed my suggestion

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jan 7, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Is a consensus forming?

As in, Butler’s our starter. We should win routinely if he and EJ keep hitting their shots.

by SilverClip on Jan 7, 2010 9:08 AM PST up reply actions  

I think so

I always thought that Al would be better served coming off the bench and with Sool in the starting lineup the clippers can spread the floor easier which opens things up for Kaman.

In Gordon we trust

by bestclipfan on Jan 7, 2010 9:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Yep - last night you heard that comment from the horse's mouth (BD)

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jan 7, 2010 9:29 AM PST up reply actions  

A Semi-Consensus

One thing to take away from the game is that the Clippers have a lot of weapons. Butler has a good streak of games going, and the team is playing really well with him as the starter. Thornton is in a funky place, partly due to illness, but we know that he’s a strong weapon as well, and he should be great coming off the bench.

But when you see Craig Smith’s game last night, and know that Griffin is going to make his debut eventually, and when even Ricky Davis seems to have changed his game a bit (along with the changes that Thornton has made to his own game), there are a lot of factors at work in the lineup and rotations. For the most part, at least right now in the glow of a fine victory, they seem like high-class “problems.” The Clips are going strong and building momentum (which they could easily give away at any time), and they have a lot of good options right now.

No such thing as “win routinely” for the Clippers and their fans. It has never happened before, and at this point we should continue to appreciate every win, and celebrate ones like last night. We’ve been more than patient. Losing 9 straight to the Lakers was ugly. Winning 19 games last year was horrific. Nothing routine about underperforming through the first 30 games of the season, even with all the adversity.

by citizen zhiv on Jan 7, 2010 10:14 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree Zhiv...

Good post, let’s keep our expectations realistic for the ballclub. We are shaping up to be a team that is capable of beating the good teams on any given night and might lose to a bad team as well. It is a sign of a maturing ballclub. We need to enjoy the win when we get them, minimize the losses to non playoff teams (around our level) and begin to beat the .500 clubs. Miami will be a tough test. They should be the favored team coming in and they need a win badly. The elite teams in the league has the talent and the consistent mental focus to win night in and night out. Teams like us and the Griz lose focus easily (Utah beating them last night w/o Deron Williams) and will have to earn that edge through experience.

by MichaelCage on Jan 7, 2010 12:23 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Good post zhiv

Agreed that Clips fans can hardly talk about winning routinely. We should win more than we have though.

by madglove on Jan 7, 2010 2:40 PM PST up reply actions  

no doubt.

This was a great win for the team’s confidence. There was a barrier there in last night’s game that they were able to break through, but really the Lakers coming off a game the night before & with Kobe a little banged up, it was there for the taking. Going out and getting it though was a different thing, and they were able to do it.

BD’s absolutely right, we wont know what this win means for a couple of weeks probably. Miami becomes a really big game.

by ghost_ride on Jan 7, 2010 12:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Final Score is wrong

Should be Clippers 102 – Lakers 91

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jan 7, 2010 1:55 AM PST reply actions  

Not really

but it is a big difference. 11 point win is a nice solid win, 3 point win signals some last second heroics. For those who didn’t watch the game it distorts the way it went down.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jan 7, 2010 1:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Agree...

I looked at Steve’s numbers and was surprised the Clips let it get that close at the end… only they didn’t.

by John Raffo on Jan 7, 2010 8:32 AM PST up reply actions  

My bad...

Just fat fingered the 9 I guess. It’s fixed now.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jan 7, 2010 9:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Great win.

I must say, I wasn’t convinced that BD could get back to the level he played last night. Now the challenged for him is to do it every night. If those three BD EJ Kaman can play well, this team is playoff bound easy IMO.

Oh on my boy EJ, he still doesn’t get the love from the refs. Like on his 2nd to last basket he got hit in the head infront of a ref and still no and 1.

by RockyMountain on Jan 7, 2010 6:41 AM PST reply actions  

Greatest win since 05-06 post season

the clippers have shown when properly motivated we can beat just about anyone.

In Gordon we trust

by bestclipfan on Jan 7, 2010 7:20 AM PST reply actions  

Good point

It was set up by the Boston win. It’s still early enough in the season that this win obviously means something. And the Clips established the fact that they can compete. They showed that they’re starting to protect the home floor, like back in 0506. Now we get to see if they can compete consistently.

Like I said above, the talent on the roster is starting to show itself, starting to gel. Led by BDavis, the whole is starting to resemble the sum of the parts, with the first glimpse of a level even beyond that. Big, important victory. On to the next game.

by citizen zhiv on Jan 7, 2010 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Neither [Kaman nor Gordon] played poorly – but nor were they in peak form. It’s a testament perhaps to how good this team can be when everything is clicking that they just beat the Lakers with Kaman shooting 7 for 19 from the field and Gordon making only one jump shot.

That’s exactly how I felt. The Clippers beat a good team despite not playing a “perfect” game. Some times going into these games you say that the Clippers need to be flawless, and the Lakers need to have an off night. Well the Lakers played fine (not great, but certainly well enough to win) and the Clippers won by double digits despite not having excellent games from 2 of the 3 best players. Gordon and Kaman had good games (Kaman made his foul shots and Gordon got to the basket), but their shot wasn’t dropping so adjustments were made and the Clippers still won the effort. Great stuff.

by Michael White on Jan 7, 2010 8:05 AM PST reply actions  

Hmm...

I think, other than scoring, Kaman and EJ did everything very very well. Kaman was a monster inside and beat Bynum to everything. Gordon frustrated Kobe when he was on him and DIDN’T get frustrated himself. They both played well, really well… and still scored right around their season averages.

by John Raffo on Jan 7, 2010 8:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Uh...you sure?

Kobe wasn’t frustrated by Gordon and Gordon was sure as heck frustrated because he kept getting called for a foul on Kobe.

As this game showed, EJ has a long way to go in terms of guarding the elite wings in the league. Obviously we’re talking about one of the best ever, but even Thornton did a better job on Kobe tonight than EJ. Gordon needs to learn not to relax on D just b/c his man doesn’t have the ball. I’ve seen it happening routinely, and the way he got beat by Kobe on that back door alley-oop was pretty bad. Gordon didn’t see it coming at all.

It’s youth really. He’s only a 2nd year player. I just don’t like seeing him look bored just b/c his guy doesn’t have the ball.

by madglove on Jan 7, 2010 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Frustrated by the calls...

I guess that’s true.
I saw the game on live tv and it’s a limited look at best but I thought Eric played very solid D. He’s a very laid back guy who often looks like he’s not enthusiastic or working hard… but he’s quick and strong and smart. Kobe’s a tough cover anyway, but I thought he did a good job… without the advantage of a Butler’s length. It obviously bugs him that he doesn’t get the benefit of many calls on either end, but eventually the refs will see the light. I’m hoping by the end of the year. All that said, he definitely got burned on that alley oop.

by John Raffo on Jan 7, 2010 4:20 PM PST up reply actions  

What Game did you watch?

AT only played barely 6 minutes and could stop Kobe at all.

Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.

by HVYDRT007 on Jan 7, 2010 4:21 PM PST up reply actions  

couldn't Stop Kobe

Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.

by HVYDRT007 on Jan 7, 2010 4:22 PM PST up reply actions  

One such adjustment

was keeping Smith in at crunch time, w/ Camby out. I was a little surprised (Camby was playing fine), but it was the right call as most could see, especially since Kaman’s shot was off. I tend to think better of Dunleavy when he shows this sort of flexibility with his rotations. He also showed a willingness to run last night. I think he deserves some credit.

by SilverClip on Jan 7, 2010 10:13 AM PST up reply actions  

BD was the key

With the last few nationally broadcast games, we’ve heard from a lot of smart broadcasters who say the same thing regarding BD. “So much talent, but he’s not there every day”, “When he’s on, he’s one of the top PG’s in the league, when he’s off, he’s one of the worst.”
“The team goes as BD goes”, etc.

Last night, it’s pretty clear to see we went as BD went. Everyone else followed, with the exception of Craig Smith.

by ghost_ride on Jan 7, 2010 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Boom Diddy played like....

….Sam Cassell. It’s a point guard league, and BD gave the Clips what they needed to win, which is exactly what we expected from him when the Clips signed him. If he can consistently play this way, the sky is the limit.
As far as the crowd is concerned, winning will take care of any problems with Laker fans.

by saxmanager on Jan 7, 2010 8:30 AM PST reply actions  

Not to go to far on this...

…but Baron Davis was better last night than Sam Cassell ever was. Cassell was slow and couldn’t play defense. I would agree, however that Baron was Sam’s equivalent in leadership and attitude last night… which has never been the case before.

by John Raffo on Jan 7, 2010 8:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Not to forget

Sam could be super clutch. That’s part of why Baron’s shot vs Boston seemed so significant.

by SilverClip on Jan 7, 2010 8:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Interesting comparison

We could spend some time comparing the current BDavis and breaking down the way that he’s playing, with Cassell and his game in 0506. Not going to do it right now, but soon. Not that I’m making requests, although KA or SP would crush this topic.

by citizen zhiv on Jan 7, 2010 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

It's a good idea...

Though their games are so different it seems impossible to compare them from a statistical point of view. I think everyone is identifying the “vibe” we’re getting with BD these days… a new confidence that we haven’t seen since the days of Sam Cassell. Anyway, what’s wrong with requests?

by John Raffo on Jan 7, 2010 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Nothing wrong with requests...

I was teasing Zhiv about it some yesterday. I wish I had time to always do requests… I just don’t right now. Zhiv just always has great ideas about what I should be writing… hey really are great ideas, I just don’t get around to writing them. But someday I’ll get to Kaman 3.0.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jan 7, 2010 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Question for SP.

Almost 900 comments in the game thread last night. Has it ever been that high before? Does that translate to eyeballs? Do you know how many hits you had last night?
People sitting with their laptops watching on TV? Interesting phenomenon.

by John Raffo on Jan 7, 2010 8:45 AM PST reply actions  

I think so

if you look at the site meter views spike on Wednesday to nearly 3000 views. That is a lot of people.

In Gordon we trust

by bestclipfan on Jan 7, 2010 9:13 AM PST up reply actions  

yes...

visit versus page views. Either is a good metric. Usually something like 2 to 2.5 page views per visit. I like to use page views because it’s a bigger number so it makes me feel important.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jan 7, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, your ego is so massive... nice...

"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein

by Another son of Mike Smith on Jan 7, 2010 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Another son probably joking

though he may be under pressure, what with his dad Mike Smith facing criminal charges.

That would make anyone chippy.

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Jan 7, 2010 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Total and complete joke. And I'm 99% confident SP knows that.

As for my “father”, some things are better left unsaid.

"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein

by Another son of Mike Smith on Jan 7, 2010 5:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Answers

It was a good traffic day, but not a massive traffic day. Sites been averaging a little under 4000 page views per day the last month (an average brought down a little by the winter holiday) and it got 6760 page views yesterday.

I do believe it was a record for game thread comments…. but the architecture of the site, with the auto-refresh of comments, doesn’t actually increase the page views as much as you would think. If I understand correctly, each new comment is a page view from the commenter, but someone with the game thread open just following along is only creating one page view. That’s probably as it should be, but it doesn’t really ramp up the metrics that much.

Of course, what I want is engaged, active readers of the site, and this is definitely and indication of that.

There’s a marketing term for people watching TV while on the computer, though I’ve forgotten it. It is a definite trend.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jan 7, 2010 9:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Teams that have beaten LAL and BOS this season:

LAC
PHO

Is the Pacific again the toughest division to live in?

Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball

by John R on Jan 7, 2010 8:55 AM PST reply actions  

Regarding the Celtics

They cannot win consistently without KG and Pierce in the lineup.

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jan 7, 2010 9:31 AM PST up reply actions  

I thought injuries were no excuse...

You are so full of crap it is actually Nene Hilarious.

Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball

by John R on Jan 7, 2010 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Your obsession with me is troubling

As I said above, if I give you $5 will you go away?

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jan 7, 2010 10:04 AM PST up reply actions  

can't we all just celebrate a win?

And I like how us and PHO are the 2 teams that did that. Ever since 05-06, I considered PHO our true rivals, not the Lakers

by peterghost on Jan 7, 2010 10:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Good point and yes, let's celebrate

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jan 7, 2010 10:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Craig Smith

Huge in the fourth. 6 for 6 and a beautiful pass down low to EJ for a layup.

Plus it was pretty basketball, something we haven’t seen from the Clips in a while.

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Jan 7, 2010 9:32 AM PST reply actions  

It's HARD to believe that Smith

can’t show us more of the same in games to come. He’s skilled enough to do his thing on defenders other than Odom. It would help, no doubt, if he got a couple calls his way. But many games he’s been little more than a charging foul or illegal pick waiting to happen.

by SilverClip on Jan 7, 2010 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Smith has the skills. No question about that. He’s just too small. I love his game, but his size will always limit him. A more stout defender (who is also tall) would abuse Smith on both ends. Even last night, Smith was going off, but I was initially concerned the Clippers wouldn’t get any rebounds during that stretch. Of course, Smith’s answer to that was simply to not miss any shots which alleviated that concern.

by Michael White on Jan 7, 2010 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Rhino's hustle

got us through some tight situations. I wonder if his intensity along with BDs fire had something to do with being a couple of LA kids.

by Boogymonst3r on Jan 7, 2010 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Once Griffin comes back

Smith will probably spend a lot of time on the floor with Camby, which should protect him even more.

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Jan 7, 2010 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

If Chuck Hayes

Can do it at Center, why not Rhino at PF? But you’re right, he’s a guy you play when the matchup calls for it. He’s typically a really solid matchup against Odom. Knife through butter.

by ghost_ride on Jan 7, 2010 12:27 PM PST up reply actions  

FIRST WIN!

My first day in the Clipsnation was yesterday! What a way to start off with a win against the Lakers!!!

by EJay on Jan 7, 2010 9:53 AM PST reply actions  

Stick around...

You’re the good luck charm.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jan 7, 2010 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

IF the Clippers make it to the playoffs, I think they will "make some noise"

The Clips (or rather Baron) seem to rise to the occasion when confronted with a big challenge. They “play loud” against big teams or during times of utmost importance.

I think if they make it to the playoffs, Baron would be motivated the entire time and the Clips could do some serious damage against any opponent.

Sad to say…I don’t think it is within Baron’s make to play intensely against those he deems not significant. If only he could bring it like last night everyday.

by Newton Pham on Jan 7, 2010 10:24 AM PST reply actions  

+1

The Playoffs are like a second season (Mini Season) and when the Chips are on the table BD rises to the occasion.

We just got to get in even at the 8 spot and if we fair well against the Fakers the rest of Regular season then we could have a chance to bump them in the first round.

Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.

by HVYDRT007 on Jan 7, 2010 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Baron is a diffirent player when the spotlight is on

he proved that last night. I think if we make the playoffs he would have the motivation to play this way every game (although he should play with this intensity every game anyways) and we are a way better team when he does dominate and lead the team like he did against the Lakers.

In Gordon we trust

by bestclipfan on Jan 7, 2010 10:31 AM PST reply actions  

Something that hasn't been mentioned alot

the last 2 games the clippers have shown the ability to shut down a teams best player. Sure Kobe scored 30 but he had to take 30 shots to get there and only made 10 of those shots. If the clips can keep shutting down the opposing teams’ stars then they will be in very good shape.

In Gordon we trust

by bestclipfan on Jan 7, 2010 10:56 AM PST reply actions  

Yup

Give’s me some faith that the Clippers can do it one more time, against Wade on Sunday.

by Michael White on Jan 7, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

We got the Home "W" last season against the Heat and DWade.

what ever adjustments on Defense and Offense CMDsr. has made of late they are working so far and we just got to keep it Rolling.

Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.

by HVYDRT007 on Jan 7, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

And the biggest test will be LBJ

If we can get him to go 10 for 30, Hooya, then we’ll know we have something.

Kind of interesting: Intuitively, what’s more impressive, holding Kobe or holding James to 33%? I have to say LBJ. It didn’t strike me until just now: I fear James more than Kobe.

by SilverClip on Jan 7, 2010 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

LBJ is a physical beast

He will power through anybody. You cannot stop James, only hope to contain him….slightly.

by Newton Pham on Jan 7, 2010 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

glad I was there

the d is much improved, and with better d a better transition game

by bacek on Jan 7, 2010 11:33 AM PST reply actions  

Nice Clippers Win Against the Non-Lakers, Lakers

It was nice to finally get the monkey off their back. Nice for the team, nice for the Clippers fans and nice for all those associated with the Clippers orgainization.

However, I think we need to put this victory into propert perspective. The Clippers beat a Lakers team without Pau Gasol and come to think of it a Boston team without Paul Pierce. Arguably two of the top 50 players of all time. In my opinion both deserve that top 50 recognition a lot more than Scottie Pippen, the second fiddle who was very instrumental in Michael being able to win all those rings, just like Ed McMahon was the second fiddle who without Johnny Carson would probably never have successfully headed up the late show for decades.

Nonetheless two sweet wins, especially without BG.

by Buddahfan on Jan 7, 2010 11:40 AM PST reply actions  

when? ;)

don’t worry I let some of the more obnoxious Laker fans know just how obnoxious they are. I was chanting “we want tacos” after the late EJ and 1. The reasonable fans had a good laugh, the drunk obnoxious ones were bitter.

by bacek on Jan 7, 2010 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Haha

I posted that on my facebook page since I was going back and forth with some of my Laker buddies. That would’ve been awesome!

by Cay.Clipper1 on Jan 7, 2010 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

so that was you

one of the articles I read mentioned it after they said that some Laker fans tried to get an MVP chant going

In Gordon we trust

by bestclipfan on Jan 7, 2010 12:27 PM PST up reply actions  

well during this 9 game winning streak against the clippers, the lakers faced dreaded opposition players

like nick fazekas, smush parker, josh powell, marcus williams, steve novak….but its still a big deal because its the clippers…missing brand, randolph, camby, kaman are no excuse…but the lakers missing gasol and odom had a stomach virus is a legitimate reason why the lakers played poorly….media makes no sense sometimes….

by whyamiaclippersfan on Jan 7, 2010 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

hahaha really?

I got to read that article… do you mind telling me the source

Yes, it was me. It is THE most obnoxious thing Laker fans do. They have a lot to be proud about, but that taco chant is pure absurdity.

by bacek on Jan 7, 2010 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

found the la times article

actually there weren’t fanS chanting it was just me… my seats are next to the press box

by bacek on Jan 7, 2010 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

pretty sure

that Jack in the box gives away tacos (to people with tickets) if the lakers win and hold the other team to under 100 points, or something like that.

by andrewexd on Jan 7, 2010 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

they do

and that’s why i did it

by bacek on Jan 7, 2010 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

yet andrew bynum did not step up

Am i the only one who think Bynum LOOKS terrible in the post ? his moves look so awkward and clumsy quite the opposite of kaman actually.

by andrewexd on Jan 7, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions  

like a less explosive version of DJ

although DJ had one nice move in the post last game

In Gordon we trust

by bestclipfan on Jan 7, 2010 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s funny how people (mostly Laker fans that I argue with. Are they considered people?) say Pippen was overrated and not a top 50 player, yet say Jordan would not have won (ney, dominated a decade) without Pippen.

by MannyA on Jan 8, 2010 12:07 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Then those people are morons

Pippen was one of the greatest defensive players ever. He was even able to guard HOF Charles Barkley in the Finals. He wasn’t the prettiest offensive player but he was a terrific rebounder, passer and slasher.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jan 8, 2010 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Bassy has to do better than 0-6

but at least he had 3 assists

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Jan 7, 2010 12:12 PM PST reply actions  

Bassy's hurtin

The outside shots really hurt, i’d rather Gordon shoot a guarded 3 from near half court.

by ghost_ride on Jan 7, 2010 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Bassy can't shoot

and shouldn’t shoot. I still think he knows this. Even last night, some of his shots were at the end of the shot clock (not necessarily his fault.) He is the definition of a pass first guard; I’m fine with him as a backup PG.

by Michael White on Jan 7, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

My complaint is more focused on the 2nd unit

If the 1st unit is sometimes too predictable, then the 2nd unit is just the opposite. That is, they often look like they don’t have a well developed plan of attack. Sometimes Smith, Butler, or EJ get hot and take care of things, but it always has the feeling of a crap shoot. The Telfair-Smith give-and-go seems to be a standard play, but it would work better if it were part of an established mix of plays, one that kept the defense on their heels. I still think the team should work at incorporating DJ more, for instance. But my main point is that Dunleavy ought to incorporate several different well-rehearsed looks into his 2nd unit offensive strategy. That way we’d look more competent and less haphazard.

by SilverClip on Jan 7, 2010 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

47%

Bassy is shooting 47% inside the arc. It’s his three-point shooting that’s dragging his shooting percentage down. But last year he shot a decent percentage from downtown, so I wouldn’t say he can’t shoot. But I agree, last night was a rough shooting night for Bassy. He’s clearly trying to shoot his way out of a slump, which he should be allowed to do.

by SFJ on Jan 7, 2010 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

But Bassy is an upgrade from last year

Would you rather have Bassy, or Mike Taylor, or Jason Hart as Baron’s backup?

It is very difficult to pick up the game pace off the bench, at lease, he did not turn the ball over.

by Pats fan in CA on Jan 7, 2010 2:07 PM PST up reply actions  

As I said

I’m fine with him as a backup PG.

by Michael White on Jan 7, 2010 2:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think you understand

no one is arguing with you, no need to be defensive.

by bacek on Jan 7, 2010 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

He asked if I would rather have any of those other guys as Baron’s backup. I certainly would not.

by Michael White on Jan 7, 2010 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Still wouldn't of mind having Mike as 3rd PG

He was capable of getting out and bringing that tough pressure D. If Blake could get DJ to work harder Mike would have came along to I think it was all to rushed with him getting let loose.

by KillaClip on Jan 7, 2010 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

MT was great last year IMO

…not so much so early on this year.

by Newton Pham on Jan 7, 2010 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

C'mon

let’s not romanticize the past. MT was a horrible PG way more often than not.

Even his good games were games where he scored a lot, not played good PG.

by madglove on Jan 7, 2010 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Bassy was definitely the weakest link of the game last night

"look, you can find any coach you want, bring him in here and run the situation. But I don't think they are going to do as good a job as I do." -Mike Dunleavy Sr.

by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Jan 7, 2010 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

OK

And he was one of the bright spots against Portland. What’s your point?

by SFJ on Jan 7, 2010 1:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I wonder if this win will help Kaman's all star case

the more we win the more likely he is to be selected. Even Phil Jackson thinks that he should be nominated for the All Star team. As long as he keeps up these strong numbers I don’t see how the coaches could not select him. Although I am not sure how fun Kaman would be to watch but at least he would be representing clips nation.

In Gordon we trust

by bestclipfan on Jan 7, 2010 12:34 PM PST reply actions  

Have to admit

Kaman’s playing better, longer, than I thought he could. He appears to be able to sustain this.

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jan 7, 2010 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

National TV

Winning on national TV helps Kaman a lot. It shouldn’t, but it does. Coaches (who vote for the reserves) are often as prone to be influenced by media hype as fans.

A .500 record when the decision is made would help even more. I think he makes it if the Clippers are .500.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jan 7, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Isn't him or Deron Williams?

He’d would seem to be a longshot if that’s the case.

by ghost_ride on Jan 7, 2010 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think it is a case of him Deron Williams or him

they usually have at least one sub per position so I don’t think Deron hurts Kaman’s chances at all.

In Gordon we trust

by bestclipfan on Jan 7, 2010 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Bar has raised

Now we know what our team is capable playing at higher level, why can we expect the same night in and night out from our Clippers.

They showed they played with “heart” and played hard and high intensiity that I dont normally see.

Great wins and I like to see them play every game as the opponent was the LAL the rest of the season.

by Pats fan in CA on Jan 7, 2010 2:02 PM PST reply actions  

once Griffin comes back

The dunce can finally rest Camby and Kaman even more with the rotation of PF with Griffin/Smith and DJ/Skinner at Center

sounds good

by Los_831 on Jan 7, 2010 2:46 PM PST reply actions  

Lakers vs Clipeprs Fans Volume at Staples..

you guys at the game were biased…on the tv broadcast, you can hear how loud the lakers fans are, and how easily they outnumber the clips fans in the audience..but someone else nailed it…as soon as they clippers DIDN’T fold, ALL those lakers fans didn;t know what to do….they BOO when their team is down by 5 points….but in the first 10 minutes or so, you can clearly tell that it was a 60/40 lakers crowd….then the Boom Dizzle happened.!!

by snackbar on Jan 7, 2010 4:05 PM PST reply actions  

I'd say it was about 40/40 with 20 being neutral

Then Boom converted the 20 and it became 60/40 Clips.

by Newton Pham on Jan 7, 2010 7:14 PM PST up reply actions  

During pregame introductions

the cheers for Kobe were the loudest, Baron had the 2nd loudest intro. Baron is a local high school star, who then starred at UCLA and came back home so he has strong roots in LA.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jan 7, 2010 8:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Just come out of hospital following an operation and came back

to find we beat the Lakers!!! Just watched the replay on NBA Broadband and was so pleased with our teams intensity.

Baron especially, we were on the case from start to finish. Thought Butler played very well too, and when we went with him on Kobe in the 4th, Kobe had a much tougher time of it. Gordon just can’t guard Kobe well from when I’ve seen them matched up.

We did superbly on the boards also, not giving away much at all.

It seems like we are turning the corner now and with Blakes arrival soon, I think as long as we keep progressing, there is no reason why we can’t be in the running for that last playoff spot. Getting it is going to be something else with the Jazz, Hornets, Grizz all involved but it should be an exciting 2nd half to the season.

Painkillers kicking in so I’m out!! Happy New Year all.

Bingo! Oh me oh my!

by ClippersUK on Jan 7, 2010 7:41 PM PST reply actions  

From a Laker fan, good game

The Clippers simply executed better throughout the game and Baron was a man possessed, which wasn’t helped by Phil inexplicably letting Fisher get eviscerated on screens for most of the first half. The Lakers’ fourth quarter implosion, in which Kobe reverted momentarily back to the worst of ‘05-’06 Kobe, didn’t help, but the Clippers kept themselves in the game even with Kobe’s explosion in the third, which is incredibly draining for most teams. Yes, I’m making excuses, but that’s the nature of being a fan.

So far as the All-Star balloting goes, I would say Kaman’s chances of getting in are heavily dependent on the Clippers’ record. Being too far below .500 is pretty devastating for a player’s chances for getting in, especially if there are injuries (case in point: Mo Williams somehow getting in last year over Vince Carter, Andre Iguodala, etc.). Furthermore, if say Memphis continues on their hot streak while the Clippers struggle (although that might further complicate things by getting Randolph on the team and the coaches pushing Pau Gasol as the backup center), then Marc Gasol might get the spot.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jan 7, 2010 11:53 PM PST reply actions  

There hasn't been much talk of Marc Gasol getting the spot

but it also helps that he coaches seem to be behind Kaman, and they are the ones who will select the subs. I think beating the Lakers on national TV will also help get his name out. And you can’t ignore stats, it s hard not to select someone if they lead there position in points and are near the top in rebounds.

In Gordon we trust

by bestclipfan on Jan 8, 2010 10:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Craig smith did exceptionally well, i was finally happy with dunleavys decision to keep him in game. Most of the other games when were losing i don’t see him out there, dunleavy doesnt give him enough playtime. He seemed to be motivational and give the clippers that push to help move forward in most times when we come back. I was finally not angered at dunleavy because he kept him in! He needs to see more play time off that bench, hopefully he makes the right decisions after seeing how well he did vs. the lakers. We gotta keep it up and we’ll be right up there to see playoffs

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by Goosebumpz on Jan 10, 2010 3:00 AM PST reply actions  

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