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West is Still Best, East is Still Least

The pendulum should have swung back by now.  The nature of these things is that eventually they even out.  But the Western Conference of the NBA has been, on the whole, better than the Eastern Conference for over 10 seasons now, a trend that is showing few signs of reversing. 

After the NBA re-organized into three divisions of five teams each per conference in 2004, the strange playoff seeding system pitted the 63 win Spurs against the 60 win Mavericks in the second round of the 2006 playoffs.  At that time, there were multiple calls for reform, including suggestions for Conference realignment or an abolition of the conference structure altogether.  NBA Commissioner David Stern's response was essentially, don't worry, this is a temporary situation, the East will be back, everything is fine.

When the Heat beat the Mavs to win the 2006 NBA title it seemed to justify Stern's position.  But the fact is that the East has done OK with titles - the Pistons, Heat and Celtics have won three of the last ten, the Lakers and Spurs gobbling up the other seven.  It's the other end of the standings where the problem is most pronounced, and it's certainly not getting better.

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For eight consecutive seasons, the ninth place team in the Western Conference (i.e. they missed the playoffs) has had a better record than or the same record as the eighth place team in the Eastern Conference (i.e. they made the playoffs).  Five of the last six seasons, an Eastern Conference team with a losing record has made the playoffs.  The last Western Conference team to make the playoffs with a losing record was the 1997 Clippers

No big deal right?  It is what it is, and so what if weaker Eastern Conference teams are playing in the postseason.  Well, that's one way to look at it.  It's only a game after all.

But it is one league, all playing under the constraints of the same salary cap and the same collective bargaining agreement, so at some level it's totally illogical NOT to have the best 16 teams playing in the postseason.  What exactly is the justification anyway?  The conference structure is a recognition of geography and of the logistics of the travel necessary for Portland to fly to Miami for a game.  By having geographic conferences and scheduling more in conference games than out of conference games the NBA decreases the travel burden some.  I get that.

But the net effect is a double penalty to the bubble teams of the stronger conference.  If the Eastern Conference is measurably weaker, the teams that are getting into the playoffs with losing records are compiling those records against a weaker schedule than Western conference teams have to face. 

There are mechanisms in place that are supposed to keep this sort of ongoing disparity from happening.  The draft rewards teams with losing records with a greater opportunity to acquire impact players.  The salary cap and the free agent market allow teams the opportunity to improve, and make it difficult and expensive to maintain a highly paid roster over the long term. 

It goes without saying that the landscape of the NBA is very different today than it was in 2000, when the Western Conference really started it's dominant run.  Of the 15 players to make an All NBA squad in 2000, seven are now retired, and several others are at the end of their careers (Allen Iverson, Shaquille O'Neal, Grant Hill, Jason Kidd to name a few).  Similarly, of the 15 players to make an All NBA squad in 2009, nine of them were drafted since 2000.  So the talent pool has regenerated - but the conferences remain unbalanced.

It's true that the top of the Eastern Conference has improved.  First overall picks LeBron James and Dwight Howard are the cornerstones of contenders in Cleveland and Orlando.  The Celtics returned to the elite level by swinging for the fences and spending freely to build a winner.  In those cases, good draft fortune and some aggressive front office moves have done what they are supposed to do - allowed weaker teams to get better.  The numbers over the decade indicate that the East has definitely improved at the top.  From 2000 to 2007, there were nine Western Conference teams that won 60 or more regular season games compared to only one from the East.  In the last two seasons, there were three from the East, and only one from the West.  So at least a few Eastern teams have responded to the challenge.  But far too few have been able to sustain any level of success.

As for the argument that titles for the Pistons, Heat and Celtics prove that the decade hasn't tilted that far west after all, you have to realize two things.  For one, the bigger problem is in the five through twelve teams in each conference, not at the top.  Moreover, don't underestimate the impact of the earlier rounds of the playoffs on the Finals matchup.  Eastern teams have weaker playoff opponents in their first three series than Western teams.  The wear and tear of surviving to represent the West is not insignificant.

The problem is worse this season than ever before.  Looking at the NBA in it's entirety today, ten of the top 15 records in the league belong to Western Conference teams.  The tenth place team in the West has the same record as the fifth place team in the East (the Heat and Hornets are each 17-16).  The Clippers, twelfth in the West at 16-18, would be seventh in the East.  The Clippers are starting to play better, and it would be great to think about the playoffs.  But the reality of passing four teams in the standings is pretty daunting.

All of the young, improving teams (the Thunder, the Grizzlies, the Clippers) are in the West.  All of the disappointing teams (the Wizards, the Bulls, the Pistons, the Sixers) are in the East.   The fact is, depending on your opinion of the Kings, there are only two weak teams in the 15 team West.  There are very few easy wins coming out of the West this season.

Of course, there's nothing to be done about it.  At some level, you'd like to think that common sense would enter the discussion and Stern would say "Here's an idea, let's have the best 16 teams go into the playoffs."  But the conference stucture is deeply ingrained in American sport, and that's unlikely to change soon.  So the Clippers, by virtue of their geography, will continue to fight it out to try to get a seat at the overcrowded Western Conference table, at least for the foreseeable future.

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“Eastern teams have weaker playoff opponents in their first three series than Western teams. The wear and tear of surviving to represent the West is not insignificant.” – Steve

Actually I was thinking the opposite in some ways, while its true the elite teams in the East will have a easy first round, they will have much tougher semifinals than the Western Conference. Either the Cavs, Celtics or Magic will face off in the second round and those are probably 3 of the top 4 teams (only the surging Spurs can make argument to crack the top 4). I think the Lakers have a much easier road to the Finals as they will only be challenged in the Western Conference Finals while we don’t know which of the trinity from the East will even make their conference finals.

The Cavs added Shaq to guard Dwight Howard, the Celtics added Rasheed to give them more size against Howard and the Cavs front line, the Magic added Vince to challenge Lebron and Pierce, even the Hawks got better by adding Crawford to their bench. Meanwhile in the West the only team that made any moves was the Spurs. Even the reemergence of the Suns is a bit tempered, its hard to imagine that team challenging the Lakers during a seven game series.

There’s no question the Western Conference is better overall BUT the Eastern Conference is so top heavy that the Eastern Conference Champions will have to expend a lot more energy just to make the Finals.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jan 8, 2010 11:05 AM PST reply actions  

Maybe... maybe this year

I guess the conventional wisdom is that Lakers, Cavs, Celtics and Magic are the big 4, which makes the road harder in the east this season. But even this season, the first round looks like a joke in the East, while the Lakers could have a pretty nasty opponent in whoever survives in the 8th slot. Having said that, the line in the post was really talking more about earlier playoffs, wins by Pistons and Heat and Celtics. Those years, the WC team had been through hell just to get to the Finals.

Last point – I’m not completely convinced that the Cavs and Magic are that much better than the Spurs and Mavs and Nuggets. The Mavs and Magic currently have the same record, and without specifically looking at their schedules, bear in mind that the Mavs in theory would be playing tougher opposition in the West. Spurs of course are notorious slow starters, and could be as good as ever in June. Nuggets are missing Billups and Anthony now and have lost a bunch – but if healthy, would you take the Nuggets or the Magic in a seven-game series.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jan 8, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

I'd take the Magic over the Nuggets easily

They have a much deeper team.

The Nuggets are a pretty good team but they have at best two elite players (Melo for sure, Billups is a maybe), some solid players (Nene and Kmart) and some solid role players. They are clearly a notch below the Lakers.

I do like the Spurs, they looked old and disinterested but Dajuan Blair has really made a quick adjustments to the pros and this Spurs team looks very strong, that said they would probably be on the other side of the bracket so they wouldn’t meet the Lakers until the Conf. Finals.

As for the Mavericks they have a huge hole in the middle and have no way of matching up with the Lakers huge front court. They really needed Gortat in the offseason to be a true contender. They might be capable of pushing the Lakers to a 6 games series but that’s about all they could hope for I think.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jan 8, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

No Question

It’s just that after the big 3 in the East, with the possible exception of Atlanta, the East is extremely weak, where in the West there are no easy outs at all.

by ghost_ride on Jan 8, 2010 4:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Disagree

I think there is one truly elite team in the West right now (Lakers), one team that could soon reach that mark (Spurs), then the Mavs and Nuggets are pretty good and then the rest of the teams are pretty good but really pose no threat to the Lakers (or a healthy Spurs team).

Meanwhile I think the Celtics are favored in the East but no one would be shocked if the Cavs or Magic beat them. In the Western Conference I think we would all be shocked if anyone aside from the Spurs (and maybe Nuggets) beat the Lakers. Seeing how the Nuggets couldn’t do it last year and made no moves this summer to get better I’m not sure how they could have closed the gap between the two teams.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jan 8, 2010 7:41 PM PST up reply actions  

timing...

madglove (rightly) pointed out that it was ill-timed yesterday, when everyone still wanted to talk about the win over the Lakers. So I hid it for 24 hours.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jan 8, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

=)

Hope you didn’t take any offense Steve. Like I said before, it’s a good write-up. Just wanted to enjoy the after-glove of the Lakers win a little longer.

Thanks for being responsive to the feedback.

by madglove on Jan 8, 2010 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Great post...

It’s a really deep subject. I can see the argument that the conference structure is important. If you make it one big league you’d either have to continue with an unbalanced scheduled in order to preserve proximity rivalries, or you’d go to a balanced scheduled where you’d see every team 2 or 3 times a year, alternating the odd game every other year… or something. Yuck.
Perhaps it makes more sense to keep the conferences but rid yourselves of the smaller divisions… the standings in those divisions are meaningless anyway… then you’d play your conference foes more but divisional foes less. Makes some sense but either way you’d probably have to move away from that 82 game schedule… it’s an arbitrary number anyway. But messing with stuff like that is messing with gate receipts and profit margins and I don’t think David Stern really wants to go there.
The other factor that occurs to me in the lack of competitive balance between the two divisions is the strength-of-regular-season-schedule phenomenon. What would the Clippers mediocre record be like, right now, if they played in the East? Better? I think so. Might they be a playoff team? Sure. Might they be a five, six, or seven seed? Could be.
And finally, what about a system like the NHL uses? I’m not a hockey fan but I believe they re-balance the entire playoff bracket don’t they? Regardless of division or conference? It wouldn’t help with the overall East-West problem but it would give a strong number eight seed in the West a better shot to win a series in the playoffs… which seems fair. And I think that it would be a plan that the NBA might make work without ruffling too many feathers.

by John Raffo on Jan 8, 2010 11:49 AM PST reply actions  

Reseeding

As for the question of reseeding, the NBA has always resisted that. the excuse is that TV schedules etc. are set in advance. It’s a lame argument – if a 7 seed beats a 2 seed in the first round, then the second round opens at the 3 seed… so they already have to adjust scheduled and dates plenty. I’ve never understood why they won’t just reseed.

They could make an incremental change tomorrow that would be easy, pretty clearly better, with little downside. Keep the schedule, but change the playoffs. 16 best teams advance, 16 plays 1, 15 plays 2, etc. You keep the current schedule to allow for geography and travel considerations, and maintain some rivalries.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jan 8, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Never happen

They won’t risk having one conference over-represented as the West would have been in years past. Let’s say you have like 10 or more western teams. That leaves a huge chunk of the eastern conference fanbase uninterested.

It’s the same problem that MLB has when you get a series like Philly v. NY. Nobody on the west coast cares at all. Imagine if the World Series had been like the Angels vs. the Dodgers. MLB would have died.

The league wants to make sure that fans from both coasts remain engaged as long as possible.

And even beyond that, the scheduling would be a nightmare. If you have a ton of western teams, then all the games have to start at like 10 PM eastern time. No way the east coast stays up for that.

by madglove on Jan 8, 2010 12:43 PM PST up reply actions  

How about...

Take only the top 7 teams from each conference, and then two “wild card” teams with the best records. This would basically mean that the 9th place team from the better conference could overtake the 8th team from the weaker.

Or, you could take seeds 7-10 from both conferences, put them together, rank them by record, and have a preliminary elimination round.

These ideas are both very reasonable and hopelessly doomed. People fear novelty.

by SilverClip on Jan 8, 2010 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Very creative thinking...

It seems to me it might very interesting to expand the system like you suggest, and shorten the season. Fewer regular-season games, fewer back-to-backs, longer playoff season. Better basketball.

by John Raffo on Jan 8, 2010 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Also less revenue for teams

I think you’d end up crushing the small market teams as they would have lower sale numbers than ever.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jan 8, 2010 3:09 PM PST up reply actions  

The 'wild card' option would avoid this problem

Or you could shorten the prelimary round, make it just 2 out of 3. Does the NBA schedule have to be scrunched between fixed start and end dates? If not, you could extend the season (regular + playoffs) by a few days.

Part of swamigusto’s point is that a longer playoff season would make better basketball. A preliminary round would involve more teams, which really wouldn’t be bad either.

And finally, there’s SP’s basic point, an undeniable one, that things are inequitable as they stand. The wild card idea is an easy, minimal way to help address this, which would also add intrigue as the season draws to a close.

by SilverClip on Jan 8, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

There's no perfect solution

It’s similar to the NCAA tournament, some very good mid-major teams will not get in while some undeserving teams from big conferences will. There’s always going to be a question as to where to set the cut off point.

The current system, while inherently imperfect, as least has at least a couple of things going for it. I’m sure there are many more but I’m too tired to put invest too much time into this.

Tradition – It is a treat when rival franchises like the Lakers and Celtics square off. Because its hard to see it happen it also makes it more memorable.

Reason – As long the teams know up front what the rules are (top 8 in each conf are in) then they should plan accordingly. Heck some Eastern Conference teams might not even want to make the playoffs as they have no shot of winning it all (or even the 1st round in many cases) and would rather have some lottery balls.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jan 8, 2010 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Wasn't what I suggested...

Maybe I wasn’t clear: Leave the divisions alone. Eight from each make the playoffs. Then you reseed the sixteen teams according to record. I think SP meant the same thing.
One conference wouldn’t be under-represented until, perhaps, in the second or third round. But, if you’re team isn’t that good, it isn’t that good, you might drop out one round earlier but probably no worse. It also sets up earlier face offs for West vs. East teams. So you might actually get to see the Lakers, for instance, against Boston AND Cleveland or Orlando. Much more interesting than the current system. You really wind up with great late round matchups.

by John Raffo on Jan 8, 2010 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Wait until the league expands to Europe or China...

It’s gonna happen on some level. Start times are almost irrelevant in the age of Tivo anyway. At least they are in my house.

by John Raffo on Jan 8, 2010 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Most people prefer it live...

since you could find out the score beforehand and it ruins the viewing experience. Europe and China/Asia having their own team seems far off as travel would be a nightmare. Will probably need some big breakthroughs in airplanes to make it possible.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jan 8, 2010 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah the NBA will never go farther then Canada

travel would be hell and Europe has there own pro league. Stern just says it will happen go give the press something to talk about, similar to how he said a women will play some day in the NBA.

In Gordon we trust

by bestclipfan on Jan 8, 2010 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Great post, BTW

It’s hard to look at the standings and not wonder about the east. Will only 4 teams play above .500 ball? Part of the problem, perhaps, is that veteran free agents want to go to winning teams, which happen to mostly be in the west. I have no idea if this is true, but it seems likely that some element or another could be perpetuating the inequities. Do players play better in a warmer climate? Does the general thinking that a conference is better somehow reinforce its superiority? LOL.

I’m just saying, Stern thinks the trends will even out over time, but maybe the shuffling of talent isn’t entirely random. What sorts of shadowy elements could be at play here? Is someone weighting the lottery balls?

by SilverClip on Jan 8, 2010 3:42 PM PST reply actions  

Theories...

Certainly there is the issue that the best players have a lot of power, and they want to win. So good teams attract good players, and remain good teams.

(BTW, Joe Johnson is sort of my hero there. He took the money and left of Atlanta when he could have stayed in Phoenix and won more. He did what players need to do for the sake of competition – but too often it doesn’t happen, and small market teams have trouble signing FAs. And now Atlanta is good, partly because Joe went there.)

The lottery has not favored the West. But look at the Chris Paul draft. Best three players – Paul, Williams and Bynum, drafted 3, 4 and 10, all in the WC. That’s just good drafting / good luck. Eastern teams picked one and two and picked Andrew Bogut (not a bad pick) and Marvin Williams (a really bad pick).

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jan 8, 2010 11:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey, what if the NBA gave cash incentives to players

for signing with weaker teams! That would encourage more Joe Johnsons out there, thereby promoting league parity.

Not that this would ever happen. Two things I’m not holding my breath on: The federal government establishing sane bank regulations and the NBA defying the league’s elite teams.

But as long as I’m musing about improbable solutions, what about getting rid of Bird rights, to encourage more player movement? … Egad, we could even mandate that players have to change conferences at the end of each contract. Hell, what if entire teams were simply forced to relocate, east or west, to ensure a balance at the start of each season?

Enough silliness. I like my wild card idea better.

by SilverClip on Jan 9, 2010 12:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Good post...

This issue seems to prevalent among Clipper fans because of where we would be if we were in the East. In a number of seasons, the Clippers’ record alone would have gotten them into the playoffs, and that record would no doubt be better had they been playing Eastern Conference (i.e. weaker) competition. Unfortunately, professional sports leagues like to maintain a status quo of sorts, even if what they’re doing isn’t working. There was uproar when the MLB realigned and went to a wild card system with three divisions per league, but it’s turned out to be successful and make the end of a grueling 162 game season more interesting. I doubt the NBA will make a change any time soon, but it’s always an interesting conversation to have.

"If a Clippers fan is reading a newspaper in his living room and the ceiling falls on him, he'll just shrug and move to another room." -Bill Simmons

by WestsideBrandon on Jan 9, 2010 11:48 AM PST reply actions  

meh

No exuses for the Clippers!
You deal with the hand your dealt!

by JJClipperfan on Jan 9, 2010 4:38 PM PST reply actions  

+1

The Clippers need to catch up because OKC, Hornets ,Memphis, and Utah aren’t losing that many more games. After we hopefully beat the Heat we have two games against Memphis and the Hornets in which not only can we increase our standing but knock them back. Jazz I’m not to worried about I’m a hugeD-Will fan but I can see them missing out.

Thunder are the problem they are just too damn good and Durant is unreal the way they ar eplaying they get better by the game. Durant tonight went 40 and 12 that is amazing.

by KillaClip on Jan 9, 2010 7:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Great article, I totally agree, it is about time that the 16 best teams compete in the playoffs. This would also enable teams such as the Bobcats and the Bucks out East to get a higher draft pick and a better chance at improving thru the draft. Rather then being the punching bag for one of the top teams, teams with losing records can go into the draft and get help that way. This would also mean teams that the stronger teams that hadn’t made the playoffs in the West (even with winning records) would not get a high draft pick, and would be able to match up better with a strong team out East.

by ODENISABEAST on Jan 10, 2010 1:38 PM PST reply actions  

Missing the playoffs a good thing?

No. The teams that just miss the playoffs usually are picking in the middle of the 1st round, long after most of the players who could really push them to the next level are gone. I don’t read anyone in this post making the argument that Clippers should avoid the playoffs this year so they can get a better draft pick, and the Clippers have about the same chance of winning the championship this year as the 8 seed in the East – none.

You’d have a tough time finding a Bobcats fan who would rather Charlotte miss the playoffs this year. Considering the Bobcats have never been in the playoffs, they’d gladly accept any seed in the playoffs even if it means being swept in the first round. Also, Charlotte traded away a future 1st rounder a couple years ago, and I believe it’s top 14 or 16 protected this year. So it’s to the Bobcats long term advantage to make the playoffs, build up the fan base and pay off their trade now rather than risk losing a future lottery pick in the future a la the TWolves.

by ClipCat on Jan 11, 2010 8:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Unless I'm mistaken the draft isn't tied to the playoffs...

The lottery assigns ping-pong balls according to record, not playoff position… so there’s no help for bad teams if you change the playoff system.

by John Raffo on Jan 11, 2010 10:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Disparity

Bottom 11 teams in the East vs the West as of today 42-105
Bottom 11 teams in the West vs the East as of today 78-63

by thewhiteshadow on Jan 10, 2010 4:29 PM PST reply actions  

More...

Bottom 11 teams in west are a total of 11 games below .500 (Clippers are average, then, at one game below .500)

Bottom 11 teams in the east are 98 games below .500 (So each team is nearly 9 games below, on average)

Average record of the 7-10 seeds:
West 20 wins, 16.25 losses
East 15.25 wins, 19.5 losses

by SilverClip on Jan 10, 2010 4:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow...

Those numbers further the change-the-system argument by volumes. Looking at those numbers in a general way, the Clips might pick up three or four wins over their current record, which puts them at around 20-15, good enough for the number five slot in the Eastern conference. That gives you a first round matchup of Atlanta rather than Lakers, San Antonio, or Dallas (if they grab 7th or 8th in the West).
So, from a completely selfish POV, that’s the real solution: Move the Clippers to the Eastern Conference and leave everything else alone.

by John Raffo on Jan 11, 2010 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

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