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Utah 109 - Clippers 97 - Five Minutes of Bad

The Clippers played well enough to beat Utah for much of this game. They looked particularly sharp during the first half, when they built an eight point lead at 60-52. After they made the first basket of the second half, the lead stood at ten, and the Clippers were shooting 60% from the field. And for the next five minutes, the Clippers were atrocious.

It wasn't just that they couldn't make shots (which they couldn't, going 0 for 6 during the stretch, and 5 for 19 during the quarter). They couldn't even get clean shots for the most part. During those fateful five minutes, the Clippers either got their shot blocked or turned the ball over on seven out of eight possessions. The Jazz took advantage with a 13-0 run, which is not surprising since it's hard to score when you can't even get a shot off. Given that the final margin in the game was 12, that 13-0 run was pretty important.

Star-divide

I'm probably overemphasizing this, but it seems to me that the Clippers have created momentum swings against themselves with blown fastbreaks multiple times this season. In the Detroit game they failed to capitalize on multiple chances and kept the Pistons in the game. A similar pattern occurred in the Nets game. They gave away a chance to beat the Timberwolves by turning the ball over on a late game break. This afternoon, the Clippers got a steal early in the third that led to a three on two advantage with Eric Bledsoe in the middle and Eric Gordon and Blake Griffin filling the lanes, which would seem like an ideal situation. But a poorly executed lob to Griffin killed the break, and that's when Utah went on their run.

Now, I hate the hypocrites on TV who rail against lob passes when they don't work, but rave about them when they do work. Lob passes are great - but if you're going to throw them, you need to throw them well. In a three on two break, where the simple pass is going to get you a layup or a dunk, you better make a good lob pass if you go that route. The Clippers just don't appear to be that great at throwing lobs - at least not to moving targets. I mean, Griffin and DeAndre Jordan give you probably the widest lob margin for error in the league - if you're missing those targets, you need more practice.

Of course, it's part of the process that these young players are going to turn the ball over a lot, and at crucial times. But just because we understand what's happening and can explain why, it doesn't make it any easier to take.

By falling apart in the third, the Clippers squandered the dominant game that we knew they'd need from Griffin to have a chance in this game. He was probably sharper in this game than he has been this year, including the Knicks game. Let's face it - 35 against the Utah defense is more impressive than 44 against the New York defense.

During the 17-6 run that the Clippers used to close the first half, Griffin scored or assisted on 13 consecutive points. Basically, for four minutes, the Clippers' put the ball in Blake's hands to make something happen, and it worked every time. This is a level of execution that we really haven't seen from Griffin before. Even in his 44 point outburst against the Knicks, he was more often the recipient of passes that he finished. In other words, it was Gordon and others making plays, for which Griffin got the points. For this stretch in the second quarter, against a good defensive team, it was Griffin with the ball in his hands, triggering the Clippers offense. If he faced single coverage, he beat it for the bucket. If they doubled him, he found the open man for a layup. It was a very encouraging performance, and his 35 point night moved Blake above 20 points per game on the season. He is, for the time being, in the 20-10 club with Pau Gasol and Dwight Howard, and there's not much reason to think that he won't stay there the way he's been playing.

The Clippers as a team seem to be doing the big things well. Griffin is averaging 20 and 10, playing like an All Star and is the runaway Rookie of the Year at this point. Gordon is among the top scorers in the league, and is even showing signs of finding his three point stroke (he was 3 for 7 from deep tonight). Al-Farouq Aminu is among the league leaders in three point percentage. Eric Bledsoe and Aminu join Griffin on the list of the league's top 10 rookies, and the Clippers could conceivably see all three in the Rookie Challenge (which is of course in LA).

But they're not doing the little things. They're 29th in the league in free throw shooting. They're 30th in the league in three point defense. They're 27th in the league in field goal defense. They're 28th in the league in turnovers. Many of the turnovers are unforced - three seconds, bad passes, travels, that sort of thing. In this afternoon's game, they twice lost possessions on jump balls between Blake Griffin and Paul Millsap (two l's one p). Twice! Aminu is the perfect example of this dichotomy between big things and little things. He went 4 for 4 from deep, but went 0 for 4 from inside the arc, getting two of those shots blocked. He turned the ball over four times.

Utah on the other hand does all the little things. And they are tough as nails. They contest every shot. There must have been four plays tonight where the Clippers appeared to have a layup or even a dunk where the Jazz instead got a blocked shot. And if they can't block the shot, they're not afraid to take the hard foul. Look at the picture that leads this recap - Francisco Elson is grabbing Griffin, and another unseen Utah player already has ahold of his arm. Click on that picture to see the other photos from the game. In most of the plays showing the Clippers with the ball, Utah is committing a hard foul. You don't get easy shots against a Utah team because they won't allow it. The team is an extension of the coach, and Jerry Sloan the player would sooner foul out of the game than give up a layup.

If the Clippers can start doing the little things, they're going to win some games. Until then, they're going to pile up the losses.

Bizarre Whistle of the Game: I don't know if this is going to become a regular feature or not, but it seems like at least once a game there's some call that is just incomprehensible to me, and I have to wonder what the hell the officials were thinking. In this game, it came at the 4:39 mark of the 2nd quarter, and it's a doozey. I still don't know what they called. Ryan Gomes rebounded an Eric Gordon miss, and went back up himself. The ball was deflected by Deron Williams, Gomes got the ball again, and then a whistle blew. After some confusion on the court and a conference among the officials, the ball was awarded to the Jazz. Ralph and Mike seemed to think that Tony Brothers had called traveling on Gomes.

Traveling? Really? Based on when the whistle blew, I can only surmise that Brothers thought Gomes had rebounded his own airball. There are only two problems with this theory. One, the ball was clearly deflected by Williams, and two, the ball hit the rim. So, of the things that would constitute a traveling violation, this play had pretty much none of them. In other words, it was not traveling, for two straightforward and clearly evident reasons. How Brothers thought he saw traveling is beyond me. How he convinced the other officials that it was traveling is even more mysterious. How can three people, whose only job is to know the rules of basketball, come away with a traveling call on Ryan Gomes in that situation? I suppose he could have been calling some feet shuffling and not the 'passing to himself' thing, but clearly he didn't travel in that manner either. But given when the whistle blew, if traveling was the call, it pretty much had to be that Brothers thought Gomes had rebounded his own airball.

It gets better though. In the play-by-play at NBA.com, Williams has a blocked shot on the play, followed by a team rebound for Utah - which clearly didn't happen. In the box score, Williams has one blocked shot (and he didn't have any others in the game) and Gomes has zero turnovers. So the official scorer for the game was even more confused by the call than I was. Comparing what happened on the floor to the play-by-play, there's an obvious disconnect. With Gomes about to go up for a layup, the officials stopped play and awarded the ball to the Jazz - that much is certain. Why they did this is anybody's guess at this point, and according to the box score, there was no Clippers turnover. Bizarre.

Erroneous TV Graphic of the Game: Another potential ongoing feature. Now, let me say right up front that I make tons of mistakes. Some of them I catch myself, or maybe one of the citizens of Clips Nation catches it, but there are no doubt dozens, maybe hundreds more that go undetected. So yes, I live in a glass house, and yes, I'm throwing a stone.

Don't believe everything you see on the TV screen. In focusing on Brian Cook's performance from Friday, the on screen graphic said it was his first double-double since March 4, 2004. That would be pretty darn interesting - almost seven years between double-doubles. Too bad it was completely wrong. I looked up that very thing in my recap of the Suns game, and Cook's last double double was March 4, 2007 - a pretty big difference. In fact, of Cook's seven career double-doubles prior to Friday, six of them happened AFTER March 4, 2004. Now, clearly someone just typed 03/04/04 instead of 03/04/07 somewhere along the way, so it's an honest mistake. But it's a pretty big mistake.

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Bledsoe was used to recieving lobs from Wall not the other way around

he will learn.

"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown

by bestclipfan on Nov 29, 2010 7:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Hard Fouls

Only caught the 2nd half of today’s game, but definitely noticed the hard foul Elson gave Griffin.

I also noticed how Elson moved slightly while EJ was in the air on a drive, contributing to his awkward fall, which led to him missing a couple games after their last game in Salt Lake City.

Definitely not happy that we’re letting teams get away with this stuff and how it seems we don’t know how to retaliate. Will be interesting to see if this dynamic changes at all if/when Baron comes back.

by ghost_ride on Nov 29, 2010 2:15 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Why do you think Baron would have an influence on that?

Sure, he’s a physical player but not in the way Elson or Millsap are.
Watching Griffin go up against Landry and Millsap has been rough on the eyes. The only way teams can defend him is by fouling him on every play… and betting the refs won’t call it.

by John Raffo on Nov 29, 2010 8:35 AM PST up reply actions  

It's frustrating

Hopefully it gets better, but BD’s the only guy on the roster i’ve seen who’ll stand up to people and get in their face. He doesn’t mind doing it either, it’s just how he is.

by ghost_ride on Nov 29, 2010 12:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Weird Call

I heard that strange call at the game announced to be the ball going up through the basket.
I couldn’t figure it out either.

by thewhiteshadow on Nov 29, 2010 7:18 AM PST reply actions  

I'm thinking maybe because the ball went through the hoop?

That’s the only logical explanation.

Is there a rule for that?

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by Newton Pham on Nov 29, 2010 9:12 AM PST up reply actions  

If that's a rule...

If that’s a rule, I am not familiar with it… and I’m pretty familiar with the rules of basketball. I certainly wouldn’t make any logical sense for that to be a rule. Ball deflects of a Jazz player, goes through the bottom of the hoop, so Jazz ball out of bounds… why? I could see a jump ball for that, like Ralph’s favorite the wedgie, but I honestly don’t think there’s any rule. Besides, the ball didn’t go through from the bottom – it just hit the underside of the rim.

This just goes to further the point that it was a strange call – between TV, radio and play-by-play report, there are three different explanations. No one has any clue what Tony Brothers called.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Nov 29, 2010 2:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Steve, I love the new segment about the bad call of the game...

…but with all the mind bogglingly terrible calls being made against the Clippers, will one bad call per game really do the refs justice? ;-)

by Raining Buckets on Nov 30, 2010 11:40 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Until Gordon hits his threes for several games in succession, the reality is that Aminu is our best, most consistent three point shooter (unexpected to be sure, but true nonetheless). So why is he driving to the basket? I don’t know if the stats support this, but it feels like he often commits a lot of turnovers (either traveling calls or offensive fouls) when trying to get to the hoop with the ball in his hands.

As best I can tell, he should be setting up outside the three point line and raining threes until someone stops him or until he cools off. Anything we can do to spread the floor is worthwhile. And for those who think we wouldn’t be taking advantage of his athleticism, isn’t this what Gordon did for his first two years in the league averaging over 15 points per game? I’d gladly take that kind of performance from Aminu on the offensive end.

Just a thought.

"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein

by Another son of Mike Smith on Nov 29, 2010 7:53 AM PST reply actions  

It seems like Gordon got a lot of offensive fouls called his first two years as well...

Really, he has to shoot threes and drive… and learn what he can get away with in the paint. Gordon’s learned to back off or pass when the lane’s not open, Aminu’s got to do the same.
The only one who needs to camp out beyond the arc is Rasual Butler, he’s a disaster when he puts the ball on the floor.

by John Raffo on Nov 29, 2010 8:39 AM PST up reply actions  

he's a disaster period.

whether putting the ball on the floor or camping behind the arc.

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by Newton Pham on Nov 29, 2010 9:11 AM PST up reply actions  

he is what he is

we all know he is a replaceable player.

He is very streaky, there will be nights when he caries the team in spurts with his outside shooting, and nights where everyone wants to strangle him for taking too many step back threes.

When Foye and Baron get healthy, that just makes less available minutes for Butler to anger us.

Blake Griffin is coming, hide your MBengas

by bacek on Nov 29, 2010 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Alas, Foye will make us no less angry

Just replacing one chucker with another. Only difference is that chucking is sorta kinda Rasual’s job description, while Foye is allegedly supposed to be facilitating at least part of the time.

Proudly enduring the pain since the days of Bill Walton's foot.

by boltsfan21 on Nov 29, 2010 5:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I think they're both garbage

I can’t believe that there are two players on this team that I like less than Brian Cook. What kind of world are we living in???

by Raining Buckets on Nov 30, 2010 11:43 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Aminu

It’s a short term vs. long term question. One of my favorite players from the 80s-90s was Dan Majerle. When he was first in the league, he attacked the rim relentlessly – he was a madman. Then he developed that three point shot, and he started standing around behind the three point line. He wasn’t the same player any more, and he was a much worse player. Let’s face it, he didn’t get the nickname ThunderDan from shooting threes. That’s rain, that’s not thunder.

Aminu will be a lesser player in his career if he just hangs around the three point line this season. I don’t disagree that it might be better for the team. But that’s not who we want him to be in the long run, so he might as well learn how to finish at the rim and avoid charges now. The team’s not going anywhere this year; let him develop his game the way it needs to be in the future, and we’ll deal with the issues that creates in the present. After all, we don’t want him to be Steve Novak. We want more than that.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Nov 29, 2010 2:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly

You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable

by meercatjohn on Nov 29, 2010 3:53 PM PST up reply actions  

wow thanks for the history lesson!

I always thought Majerle’s only ability was that he was a 3 point specialist. I had no idea he was an aggressive player when he first game in.

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by Newton Pham on Nov 29, 2010 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Since we're on ThunderDan

First three seasons in the NBA, 82, 80 and 86 three point attempts. The following year, 228, then four straight years over 400. He went from around 1 three per game in his first three seasons to between 5 and 7 his final three seasons in Phoenix. He led the league in three point attempts and makes for back to back seasons. Of course the other side of that coin is that he stopped being aggressive going to the basket. He took 4.7 Free throws per game his third season, before he fell in love with the three. By the end of his time in Phoenix, he was taking fewer than 3 free throws per game, and by his Miami days he averaged about 1 free throw per game. He was a good three point shooter – but he was a better player when he did other things as well. His career high PER was in season 4 (17.8), and his second highest PER was in season 3 (16.9). Once his threes per game topped 5, his season PER never again got over 15.4, and most of the time it was below 15. 15 is considered the league average for PER.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Nov 29, 2010 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

That reminds me of what Thorpe said about Aminue

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Nov 29, 2010 4:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Sure

It’s a valid concern… it’s not a bad thing that he’s making threes of course… and he’s convinced me at this point that it’s not a fluke – the dude can shoot, so that’s very cool. But we don’t want him to become one dimensional, even if in the short term that dimension is what he does best.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Nov 29, 2010 4:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I absolutely agree that Aminu has way more potential than Novak and we certainly want more than that from a high first round pick when viewed over his career. I further agree that this is somewhat of a "long term vs. short term" question.

But according to your logic, should Blake be developing his long range shooting now because as a #1 pick, we "want more" (to use your words) than what he is already giving us? Or should we allow him to play to his strengths as they are currently configured and let the rest of his game develop organically (e.g., what Gordon did in his first two years)? I would prefer the latter, and employing the same logic suggests that Aminu should be playing to his strengths right now. Is driving to the hoop Aminu’s current strength? The excessive turnovers are an indication that it’s not his strength this year.

I would also quibble with your comment "the team is not going anywhere this year" and that somehow justifies the development plan you suggest. If you’re measuring solely in terms of goals like a playoff spot or a .500 record, your comment is probably correct. But I don’t believe that should be the metric for team success. As a STH, I want to see the team show incremental improvements in wins and losses even if it is not for the entire year, For example, I would like to see a higher W-L percentage in the next ten games than the prior ten games, etc. There is a lot of room between "making the playoffs" and "forgetting about wins and losses and let the kids do whatever in the name of long-term development". I still believe that trying to win fosters the right culture – now and in the future.

When viewed through that prism of team success for this year (which you may not agree with, which is cool), I think Aminu should be encouraged to play more to his current strengths, especially if that offers the team a better chance to show some semblance of team success (which is usually, but not always, in the form of wins).

"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein

by Another son of Mike Smith on Nov 29, 2010 4:55 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Valid points

I’ll concede most of them. One distinction I will draw is on the comparison to Blake. Yes, we want him to develop his perimeter shooting (and happily he appears to be doing just that). The difference though is that if Blake currently concentrates on his power game, playing to his strength, it’s difficult to argue that he’s developing any bad habits. The same cannot be said for Aminu standing around the three point line, IMHO.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Nov 29, 2010 5:00 PM PST up reply actions  

You've also been pushing for Aminu to pull up for more midrange shots (haven't you?)

That’s a possible compromise. It seems to me the opposing D often gives him the open 15 footer. I bet he can make it. The coaching staff could have him work on inside passing, too. Meanwhile, those offensive charges are getting predictable and painful to watch.

The other compromise is to not have him start.

"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT

by SilverClip on Nov 29, 2010 5:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Perhaps, but let’s take that Blake analogy to the extreme.

If VDN gave Aminu as much encouragement and opportunities to shoot threes as as he gives to Blake to do his thing down low AND Aminu was just as successful (e.g., let’s say he is Ray Allen in his prime… 24 pts per game on 8-15 three point shooting) as Blake is currently on the block, would we still argue that Aminu is fostering a bad habit?

I think we would all be ecstatic that we solved our three point shooting problem and it almost certainly would garner us some additional wins (which matters to me, but I concede it may not matter to everyone).

"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein

by Another son of Mike Smith on Nov 29, 2010 5:08 PM PST up reply actions  

i guess

that if aminu shoots the 3 as well as ray allen in his prime he can do what he wants. I believe however that is early in the season and his career and we should try to develope other aspects of his game.

by XXDC2XX on Nov 29, 2010 6:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Where do you stand on him starting?

If we want him to drive, maybe he shouldn’t do it against the oppositions starters. That doesn’t seem like the best place to work out the kinks.

I agree that the Chief should stay aggressive. On a starting unit with Baron and Kaman, I don’t see him getting too many touches, other than a few spot up threes.

"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT

by SilverClip on Nov 29, 2010 4:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Interesting point...

On that recent poll I voted to keep Farouq in the starting lineup along with Baron and Kaman. However, after watching Aminu
play vs the Jazz and reading some of the arguments here, I’m starting to think that Gomes should start (while continuing to give Aminu lots of minutes).

As SilverClip points out, AFA’s touches may be limited in the starting lineup, and I’ll go further to say that he’d be relegated to spot up 3 duty thanks to VDN’s motionless offense. I’m as happy as the next guy to see that AFA has 3 pt range, but we don’t want him to fall in love with the long ball at the expense of his considerable athletic gifts. Part of the reason we drafted him was for rebounding at the 3 spot and it’s hard to benefit from that if said rebounder is camping outside the arc all the time.

by Raining Buckets on Nov 30, 2010 11:55 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

True but according to your logic it’s also hard to make threes if you’re rebounding all the time….

So give what we now know about the rest of our team, which does the team need more of our of the small forward position? Rebounding or three point shooting? And per your logic, you can’t say “both.”

"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein

by Another son of Mike Smith on Nov 30, 2010 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Okay, you kinda busted me. To directly answer your question, I’d say we generally need more quality 3 point shooting than offensive boards. BUT I’d rather have Aminu on the move, making cuts and cruising for boards, than have him spotting up all the time. He needs to be put in a situation to not only succeed in games but also develop his raw talents. To your credit, I probably should have pointed out that I’d rather have him slashing than spotting up, and I dwelled on the rebounding thing more than I should have.

by Raining Buckets on Nov 30, 2010 7:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks for being honest. I’m not trying to bust anyone per se. But I do think it’s important to recognize that there are almost always tradeoffs to be thought through when any of us makes a statement about what the team should be doing differently. Sure, it would be great to have it all… but even Griffin has strengths and weaknesses, and he is clearly (and correctly) playing to his strengths.

My original point was simply to recognize that based on almost a quarter of the season, Aminu is doing something WAY better than any of us had hoped. And although it wasn’t what most thought he would bring to the table right out of the gate, it also happens to be something that the team desperately needs. So why not encourage more of it?

I think the parallel to Gordon is instructive. In his first two years, his driving ability was relatively ineffective, so it made all the sense in the world (to me) to have him play to his strengths in years one and two and allow him the opportunity to grow organically into the role of a slasher, rebounder, assist man, etc. Some on this site took that tradeoff in skill development as a sign that he was “below average” in those years, but I viewed his development through the prism that you can’t expect these guys to do everything all the time from game one.

Similarly, I’d much rather let Aminu gain that confidence that every rookie needs, i.e., let him do the shooting he does well right now and not force the slashing to the basket – it is clear that he is not yet comfortable nor confident in that role. After all, look at how the building of that organic confidence has transformed Gordon.

Thanks for the reply.

"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein

by Another son of Mike Smith on Nov 30, 2010 10:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Good Points

It’s a fine line, and one make or miss per game can have a big effect on percentages.

A couple of things. Obviously Aminu is being very selective about shooting the 3; otherwise he wouldn’t be hitting them at such a high percentage. Milph was mentioning how he had a good look that he passed up at least two or three times, but they weren’t the same as the wide open shots that he has been hitting.

And yes, let him work on going to the basket, where he’s going to make his share of rookie mistakes. But look at how effective Gordon is, going to the basket, here in his 3rd year.

I don’t think Aminu was anywhere near this type of shooter, with this kind of range, last year, but he worked hard and has already developed a nice stroke. He seems to be a pretty quick study, and he has surprised us, so we should look for other skills that he might be working on and areas where he can improve. As Thorpe pointed out, and SP elaborates on, the 3 point success might come at the expense of being an aggressive and effective rebounder, and that shouldn’t happen.

by citizen zhiv on Nov 29, 2010 4:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree

It was mentioned early in the season that Aminu has been working overtime in the practice facility on his shot. That has obviously paid dividends as far as his 3 goes. He definately has the work ethic. Hopefully the coaching staff will steer him toward better handling & decision skills. He still has great potential, let’s see what he can develop!!

by sttrumpet on Nov 29, 2010 10:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I like that new "bizarre whistle of the game" segment. How about a "weird overturned calls (including reviews)?"

Roger Sterling: To my knees, Don. They're bringing to my knees!"

by Lawler's Law on Nov 29, 2010 10:11 AM PST reply actions  

Should send in each one to the board or something...

Keep the officials on check and let them know we are watching them carefully and will put in the effort to point it out if they make a huge blunder like that…..

Proud member of Club FTR.

by Newton Pham on Nov 29, 2010 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Nice idea dude

There are times when the officiating makes me furious, especially since the Clips are a young team and getting the rookie treatment from the refs. Some of the superstar calls (such as LeBron getting away with everything, for example) are insulting to the intelligence of fans who understand the game.

Personally I have always disliked the idea of filtering the rules based on the status/fame of a particular player instead of just following the rules. That’s like an umpire changing his strikezone depending on who’s batting. The ump (supposedly) establishes consistency and tries to give everyone equal treatment, whether you’re Albert Pujols or some rookie call up.

by Raining Buckets on Nov 30, 2010 12:03 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Great Feature: BWotG

I really like this Bizarre Whistle of the Game idea. And you might want to add a few runners up, suspicious/specious calls. Just for the record, and to see how they mount up over time. One hopes that the worst is behind us.

Not that there should be complaints, and this game was much less one-sided from the officiating standpoint than previous Clipper games. But still. There are a few basic facts. Number one, Blake Griffin is a rookie, and a beast on the court who is extremely difficult to stop. It’s natural that he’s going to get fouled a lot, and that some of those fouls aren’t going to be called. This has to be set, however, against the fouls that are called on Griffin.

The next category is the “almost flagrant” foul, a growing pile. This is when Griffin gets nailed in an especially egregious fashion. We’ve see a few of these, and the only flagrant I can remember is when Devin Harris almost broke his neck.

Griffin needs to be protected to a certain degree, to prevent the obvious possibility of injury. Players need to have a clear set of rules about how they can defend and foul him. Basically, going after him when he’s flying through the air and you don’t have a chance to stop him should be given harsh penalties. If he can survive just a little bit longer, things should turn his way. The NBA has shown a great ability to protect its assets, and Griffin’s rookie hazing will end at some point, soon we hope.

The next thing is Gordon, who is getting some respect from the refs. It’s the Gordon-Griffin show for the Clippers now. Everybody should know what’s coming, including the refs. It’s going to be hard to ignore the abuse that Gordon gets, when he has the ball in his hands on almost every play and he’s getting to the basket and getting mauled. That part is better than it was. It could use a little fine tuning, but it’s not as bad as it used to be.

Then there’s “it’s the Clippers.” Is that how they get 3 fouls in the first 30 seconds of a home game? Again, this game wasn’t so bad. And the Clippers have to follow Gordon and Griffin and get to “no excuses” and just learn how to win, and they need to play harder on defense and avoid fouls and dumb turnovers. But all of these categories need some work and attention. It was worse earlier in the season, and we’ll see if it gets better or goes back to “bad team gets bad calls.” Gordon and Griffin have the team battling, and not giving up, and that might change things.

by citizen zhiv on Nov 29, 2010 10:35 AM PST reply actions  

Fouls on Blake

Referees need to understand that a foul on Steve Nash or Chris Paul isn’t the same as a foul on Shaq or Dwight or LeBron or Blake. Players are having to exert a lot more force to stop the bigs, yet they aren’t getting penalized for intentionally fouling these guys harder than they would anyone else. The league seems to reason that the tough players can “take it” while the fragile ones cannot. So just because Manu Ginobili and Pau Gasol flinch and spasm at even the slightest bump, while LeBron and Blake ignore the hit and try to finish the play, the fragile guys get rewarded? That sounds like the opposite of sports.

Aside from my huge desire for the flopping penalty to be regularly enforced, I’d really like to see referees start calling the fouls that the tougher members of the league have earned… at least when there’s an audible slapping noise.

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by Erik O on Nov 29, 2010 10:52 AM PST up reply actions  

I remember games where Blake was bleeding from scratches on his neck and back

yet no fouls were called.

The scratch mark on his neck was there for like a week afterward.

Gasol…man that guy is the worst! Such a softie. You touch him with your pinky and he throws the ball up in the air while arching is back and screaming.

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by Newton Pham on Nov 29, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

The league should really find a way to penalize the exaggerators and reward the guys that just suck it up and play.

Should adopt semi playground rules…

Give respect to the guys who play through fouls without reaction vs the big mouths who call every ticky tack foul.

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by Newton Pham on Nov 29, 2010 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

This was one of the reason I stopped watching the NBA for some years. The favoring players/teams over others. It just became to obvious to me that ref’s were calling only the fouls that they wanted to call..not doing their job and calling all fouls..or real fouls. The flopping as gotten worse..they need to fix that. 90’s ball was tough and the ref’s protected the stars like Jordan etc. but it even seemed more fair than now.

by tenkaistar on Nov 29, 2010 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't want to turn it into a whine fest

Did you see the quote from Phil Jackson after their loss to Utah, where he said something about the 24 second clock operator being the key to the game, because the officials had to stop the game during a Laker fast break to fix the clock? You know, they lost by 5 or something, gave up 11 straight, and it’s not even like they lost the ball on that call. It’s petty blaming losses on refs. They make mistakes, but they rarely change outcomes. That’s why I like BWofG – one head scratcher of a call, in a separate category, not part of the recap. There may be games when the officiating on the whole deserves scrutiny, but that’s not the point of BWotG.

As for Griffin, it is definitely problematic that he gets fouled so hard and so frequently. At this point I’m definitely more interested in controlling the hard ones, that are being called, but should probably be flagrants. They used to call them “Intentional” fouls, and obviously these are. I’m not even clear on what the rule is these days, but if a player isn’t making a play on the ball, I thought it was supposed to be a Flagrant I. ClipperZoe was watching with me yesterday, and she noticed how they kept grabbing Griffin. She said, “Why are they doing that? They shouldn’t be allowed to do that.” I told her that no one wants to be on his next poster.

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by Steve Perrin on Nov 29, 2010 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Why don’t they just run the other way and give him a clear path to the basket? That would work.

"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein

by Another son of Mike Smith on Nov 29, 2010 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

That's what the Kings did

Since Mozgov, we’ve seen a LOT of posterphobic defense on the part of the Clippers’ opponents. Sacto just stayed out of the frame. Utah tackled him when he got near the rim.

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by Steve Perrin on Nov 29, 2010 4:45 PM PST up reply actions  

The verb "Mozgov" needs to enter our permanent vernacular.

“The Kings cleared the lane because they did not want to get Mozgoved by Griffin.”

by Raining Buckets on Nov 30, 2010 12:07 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

+1

Keep your eye open for opportunities/applications.

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by SilverClip on Nov 30, 2010 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

+ Lots

That’s hilarious. Done and done.

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by boltsfan21 on Dec 2, 2010 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

No, I know

It’s one thing for the Lakers and Phil to whine, and another thing for the Clippers. The Lakers are always going to dominate unless something goes awry, refs will protect Kobe and Gasol and give Artest plenty of leeway, and they’ll get their makeup calls. So you don’t really have to pay attention to Phil when something doesn’t go their way. But you’re right. And I also said that things weren’t so bad yesterday against Utah, other games have been worse.

Still, there might be some room for runners up. One good head scratcher is a good place to start, but it also seems like a place where you could note a couple of calls that made a difference. On the whole, teams have to work to get wins, and as you say the refs don’t really change outcomes.

Keeping an eye on the hard fouls/flagrant and getting into the rules is a good thing. Like I said, I’m curious about when things will change, when Griffin will be protected. And also what category he goes into: will he be like Shaq and Dwight Howard, where little fouls aren’t supposed to matter? Or will he be like LeBron.

by citizen zhiv on Nov 29, 2010 5:02 PM PST up reply actions  

The start of the 3rd was horrible

maybe 5 hour energy drink would be a good sponsor for this team

Blake Griffin is coming, hide your MBengas

by bacek on Nov 29, 2010 10:43 AM PST reply actions  

I wish we had another reliable scoring option

Someone down the post that the defense has to honor to take some pressure away form Blake. Man, imagine Blake together with an all star center that can cut and has a reliable jump shot.

That kid has no facial expressions. He just plays and its like every kid out there on him is like Sarah Connor

by Marten on Nov 29, 2010 10:52 AM PST reply actions  

Kaman?

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by Newton Pham on Nov 29, 2010 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh yes!

We have Kaman to add to the team currently playing and people tend to forget that that he actually is an ALL STAR.

Blake is so much more efficient now then when he played with Kaman before the injury, it’s going to be really interesting watching them play together finding their chemistry. I’m sure it will take some time but they are going to be really good together.

It’ll also be nice entering a game not having to hope for someone like Rasul, Bledsoe, Gomes or Aminu to step up and be a third scoring option, they are a bit to streaky.

That kid has no facial expressions. He just plays and its like every kid out there on him is like Sarah Connor

by Marten on Nov 29, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

I hope Kaman is the answer, but

let’s not forget he was struggling badly with his shot before he went on the DL. Here’s hoping he can turn it around when he gets back.

by RonHarper4 on Nov 29, 2010 5:42 PM PST up reply actions  

he was pretty consistent last year...

I believe he will get it back.

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by Newton Pham on Nov 29, 2010 10:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes he was consistent last year

And he was spectacular in the preseason & stunk in the regular season, so I expect him to come back at last years level. Hopefully, he & Griffin can compliment each other!!

by sttrumpet on Nov 29, 2010 11:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Hopefully Kaman and Baron have been paying attention from the bench

Maybe their observing their teammates playing well will help everyone to coexist

by Raining Buckets on Nov 30, 2010 12:10 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

During those five minutes, Aminu reverted to summer league form

I was at the game and don’t have a recording of it, but the Chief was involved in several of the plays that went wrong. I believe they included a traveling call, an offensive charge, getting his shot blocked, and getting beat on defense for an open three. After the first couple of bad plays, he had his head down, and Utah seemed to focus in on him. In particular, I thought the Jazz defense keyed in on other players and left the Chief as the more open option. This led to some awkward moments and ultimately that 13-0 run.

I’m a big supporter of Aminu and want to see him stay aggressive. But my support isn’t unconditional, and I’ve begun to cool on the idea of keeping him as a starter once the vets return. The Suns also took advantage of his inexperience, and it seems to me that good teams will be able to keep doing this, at least for the short term. I would rather see him then in the second unit. But if that squad also includes Bledsoe and DJ, well, that’s bound to be pretty hit and miss. So I’m now in favor of keeping Bledsoe as a starter and moving Baron to the bench. Bled is playing solid ball, and no one is saying that Baron shouldn’t finish the games. But Baron, Aminu, and Smith would be a powerful trio off the bench, and that way Gomes could do supply his team game knowhow to the likes of EJ, Griffin and Kaman.

 

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by SilverClip on Nov 29, 2010 12:40 PM PST reply actions  

Getting Kaman back will be a big plus

Getting Kaman back in the lineup will help the team a great deal, giving the Clips a reliable 3rd scoring option and jump shot threat. And, I’d like to see Aminu continue to start along with EJ, Kaman, BG and Baron once he’s healthy. Aminu will get more open looks if he’s playing with the starters. Gomes coming off the bench will help our overall bench play. Continue to give meaningful minutes to Bledsoe.

by Mike Wr on Nov 29, 2010 1:19 PM PST reply actions  

Kaman has proven time and time again....

…that he can’t be trusted to do the right thing in a clutch situation. He is a tease in that he puts point and rebounds up early in games and then during crunch time he falters. It’s never going to to change, he’s been in the league too long and continues to play in this manner. It’s so maddening because we all know his high skill level but with him it’s just mental lapses. He just can’t handle pressure.

by saxmanager on Nov 30, 2010 7:54 PM PST reply actions  

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