Clippers 107 - Oklahoma City 92 - That's More Like It
by Steve Perrin on Nov 3, 2010 10:48 PM PDT
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PrintWell that was fun, citizens. The formerly winless Clippers are winless no more, having dismantled a team that won 50 games last season and was widely picked to be among the top teams in the Western Conference this season. To be clear, Oklahoma City didn't come close to living up to their reputation this day, but maybe the Clippers had something to do with that.
With Baron Davis missing a second straight game due to a sore knee, Eric Bledsoe got the start again, and he was an absolute revelation. We've seen the athleticism at times, but the truth is we've never seen anything close to this level of play from the kid. I don't think he had a game like this at Kentucky. He finished the game with 17 points on 7 of 10 shooting, 8 assists, 3 rebounds and 2 blocked shots. His defense was solid all night long, and he ran the team with a steady hand. He's a blur in the open court, and went coast to coast on a couple of occasions. And who knew he had the tear drop in his arsenal? He plays much bigger than his six foot height, climbing the ladder to reject Thabo Sefolosha tonight, after chasing down Manu Ginobili on Monday. Maybe he's playing way above his head, but as of right now, he looks like the steal of the draft. Basically, he has now probably displaced Randy Foye as the backup point guard, and the future of the position looks to be secured. He got a standing ovation when Vinny Del Negro took him out in the fourth quarter.
He wasn't the only stud in the Clippers' backcourt tonight. For the second straight game Eric Gordon was a picture of confidence giong to the basket. He was efficient (10 for 17 from the field) and active (5 rebounds, 4 assists). Importantly, for the first time this season, Gordon found his outside shot, making 3 of 7 threes after starting the season 3 for 21. The Clippers, with Bledsoe pushing the ball up, played at a very fast tempo tonight (107 points is 16 more than they've previously scored), but when the break wasn't there, it usually fell to Gordon to make something happen. And more times than not it was something good.
This was definitely a night for Club D(evelopment), more than a night for Club O(ptimism). The Optimists presume that Baron Davis and Chris Kaman can play like All Stars, living up to their resumes. Well, tonight, Baron sat out, and Kaman was 2 for 9 for 4 points. In fact, DeAndre Jordan actually played a minute more than Kaman, and when was the last time that happened when Kaman was healthy? Instead, the Clippers got great contributions from their U23 squad - Gordon (27), Bledsoe (17) and Blake Griffin (18) led the team in scoring, and Jordan and Al-Farouq Aminu pitched in with 12 points and 6 rebounds between them.
One veteran who also made a major contribution was Ryan Gomes. In fact, in his post game comments, VDN singled out Bledsoe and Gomes first. Gomes' drew the assignment against Kevin Durant and harrassed him into a very forgettable night - 6 for 24 from the field, 0 for 10 from three. Importantly, he did it without fouling. Durant, who was leading the league in free throws per game going into this one at almost 12, only took 4 free throws. I'll look it up later, but I have to assume that it's been a LONG time since Kevin Durant was held to 16 points in a game. Gomes also made back to back threes in the second half to build the lead back up after OKC had made a run.
This is a huge win for the team - they won't be the last team in the league to record a win (that honor will now go to either Houston or Detroit). And maybe, just maybe, it gives them enough confidence to grab a win or two on the very difficult four game trip that lies ahead.
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First game I miss (I was in class), is a W.
On the brightside: YAY!
by MagnusVonKilgore on Nov 3, 2010 10:55 PM PDT reply actions
sadly, you are probably right
I might be the jinx. Can i get around that If i get someone to DVR it?
by MagnusVonKilgore on Nov 3, 2010 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions
The Curse knows.
It always knows.
"All I wanna do is zoom-a-zoom-zoom-zoom and a-boom-boom."
-Wreckx-n-Effect
Miss the rest of them please.
We can go 78-4. Then of course you would have to miss all of the playoff games as well.
It is a sacrifice you must be willing to make for the greater good.
"Chris Kaman IS Black Sikma" - KamanHomie, Steve Perrin & swamigusto
If that happens i get some sort of MVP award
Being responsible for the best record in NBA history would be nice.
maybe i could get the team to pay not to watch any games.
or i could become a Heat fan and curse them.
by MagnusVonKilgore on Nov 4, 2010 2:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Hope
We actually may have a future. Oshey moves may work out after all.
yea, those "whatever their names are" signings
are still confusing, but to be honest, the way people were spending money this summer, I’m just glad we didn’t end up with outlaw for 5 years, or some other midtier talent on a long term contract.
at least we were relatively responsible with our money. I think the contracts handed out this summer are going to haunt a lot of teams in the future (if they hold through the CBA renewal)
Good victory for the Clips
So interesting, with Baron and Foye out, Kaman underperforming.
Bledsoe looked great against Wall in his summer league debut—it was John Wall, a good player and former teammate, kind of an amazing matchup—but after that he was scattered and kind of all over the place. But the matchup with Westbrook and the way that the Thunder play was perfect for a second game.
We saw Gordon get all those shots at the rim and layups (10 in one previous game) when his shot wasn’t falling, and then against the Spurs he was going to the basket and making plays as well. Bledsoe and Gordon have really played well together.
The Clips were also a really a hungry team, knowing that this was a good shot to get a victory. There were all sorts of good things, starting with a great general effort, that went along with the win.
Really, really looking forward to our first game vs Washington
RoY candidate vs RoY candidate
Kentucky vs Kentucky
Foye vs Team-That-Cut-Foye
"All I wanna do is zoom-a-zoom-zoom-zoom and a-boom-boom."
-Wreckx-n-Effect
Nice wrap
Gomes seems to be starting to get comfortable. That’s the second straight good game and his defense on KD was xlnt.
Bledsoe was indeed a revelation. He’s got a bright future and i think it’s time to give the FO some props. They aren’t winning this game if the FO didn’t engineer that trade. Bledsoe played strong, with great athleticism, good passes and played under control. He’s only going to get better.
Gordon too is taking his game to new heights.
I also thought that the team seemed to play in control and confidently.
Love it.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Good trade for Bledsoe
I’m really pleased with his production, and it’s making it look like we have finally have a good backup point guard who is here for the long haul. Finally.
Gomes is definitely being a nice glue-guy. I figured the law of averages would bring him right back into place. He’ll do until we can get a proper SF (or if Aminu develops into that SF).
"All I wanna do is zoom-a-zoom-zoom-zoom and a-boom-boom."
-Wreckx-n-Effect
"...we finally have a good backup point guard who is here for the long haul. Finally."
That assumes he remains a backup…
"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein
by Another son of Mike Smith on Nov 4, 2010 12:47 AM PDT up reply actions
How pissed is Sam Presti?
Has anybody mentioned Bledsoe just torched the team that traded him?
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's going down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Nov 4, 2010 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm a little confused by that...
Did OKC make the pick for the Clips? Or did the Thunder pick Bledsoe then trade him to the Clips?
Actually the former
The deal was in place before the Thunder picked.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Nov 4, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Olshey mentioned he was calling teams with draft picks in the teens to get Bledsoe, so I assume they picked him for us.
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by Regulan on Nov 4, 2010 3:33 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
It's great to get past those summer league first impressions.
I knew things were going to shape up, but that was an uncomfortable little chapter for the organization. I bet Olshey was especially bummed by the poor play.
"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT
I think gomes is playing his role well
i’ve always said people were complaining about him too much. I’ll admit he wasn’t hitting anything the first few games, which allowed defenses to sag off of him, but it’s not like he was jacking up bad shots. He just needs to take 6-8 shots a game, at a decent percentage, and rebound and defend.
Gomes was solid!
Good to see him come out of his rut. EJ is turning into a super star. Bledsoe had a great game, only hope he can continue his excellent play. Chris will turn it around.
Awesome! Great night for our young guys.
Club D lives. And Club O, too. I’m sure Baron and Kaman are as happy as anyone else. A win is something everyone can agree on.
Bledsoe and Gordon are turning into a hot little tandem. Keep it UP, kids!
Incorporating everybody is going to be interesting. But what a blessing these injuries are turning out to be. The team is starting to find its identity. We knew it wasn’t going to be the Baron and Kaman show anymore, but that left the situation ill defined. I love the fact that Baron is going to have to fit in with what has Developed, upon his returns.
Three cheers for Gomes as well. Man, it’s nice when he plays well.
"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT
Will Baron fit in??
I sure hope so. While watching Bledsoe tonight, I was so impressed (and encouraged)!! He is a rookie though, and is going to have his share of poor games. But watching Baron on the bench seeing the team run, I can’t help but think this should light a fire under him. I believe he, and the Clippers, would be worlds better if Baron only shot the ball inside the paint.
Will he come back and run/distribute like Bledsoe did tonight, or shoot fall away 20 footers and 3’s? If he comes back and runs fast breaks, attacks the rim, and passes the ball, he is still a top 10 pg in my opinion. Bledsoe is still a year or two away from running a team as a starting NBA pg.
Despite the great performance by the rook, this Clipper team will go as far as Baron takes them this season…
I hope this lit a fire in Baron, if it didn't nothing else will.
He’s never seen his Clippers actually run like this. Heck we’ve never seen the Clippers really run like they have in the past 2 games, especially this game. The old Baron used to be able to run with the best of them, hopefully this shows him that his teammates can and will. If he doesn’t, time for Bledsoe to start with no looking back.
What's most impressive about EJ's line?
The 27 points? The return of 40+% from three? 100% from FT line? Only two turnovers? Or 5 rebounds?
Shit, maybe it's the 5 rebounds.
What an incredible difference in his game, eh? He’s finally MOVING, and with it he’s racking up some rebounds and assists.
You know, if anyone’s to blame, I’d say it’s Dunleavy with all those iso sets last year, leaving EJ to stand around too much. I still think that that Gordon can remain aggressive when Baron’s on the court with him. They both like to play up-tempo, right? I just don’t buy that their talents can’t be synergized.
"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT
Ugh he's so below average, it makes me sick ;)
"All I wanna do is zoom-a-zoom-zoom-zoom and a-boom-boom."
-Wreckx-n-Effect
I think EJ just needs to reevaluate his role with baron
Don’t take the back seat to him… In fact, get in his face and tell him that this is his team now.
But in truth
He’s definitely less assertive/active when Baron’s handling the ball. Whether it’s a lack of chemistry, or just that EJ’s adrenaline really gets going when he has the team on his shoulders, something’s clearly different. I think when he’s not constantly looking to get open, he spends a lot less time away from the paint. Plenty of these recent rebounds are just incidental ones, so I think it’s his more active role now. Even when Baron comes back, I think they’ll start calling more plays for him and giving him the ball. I suspect the rebounds will continue to come.
"All I wanna do is zoom-a-zoom-zoom-zoom and a-boom-boom."
-Wreckx-n-Effect
Yeah, the big question: Why does EJ look so different?
Is it chemistry or adrenaline or having to be the man? Or is it just that the tempo now is better suited to his skills? It may be that a healthy, speedy Davis will fit right in with these developments. I’m really very curious to see how things go then. If Gordon suddenly loses his verve when Baron comes back, there’s going to be seriously loud commotion around here.
"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT
I loved in this game how Bledsoe also took more control of the PG position
Last game Gordon did all the point guard duties and did it very well with 11 assists. Tonight it was Bledsoes turn and he led the tempo with his fast breaks and dished out 8 dimes while he was at it with Gordon making lay-ups and hitting 3’s. Perfect combo.
Of course, Bledsoe showed his range with a couple 3’s and the only thing I didn’t like about that was thinking Baron would try to prove he could do the same thing and would miss the 3’s Bledsoe was making tonight.
2 Combo Guards > 1PG and 1SG?
I like that they can share the duties, since neither of them is perfectly suited to their official positions. I definitely didn’t feel uncomfortable with either of them handling the ball.
"All I wanna do is zoom-a-zoom-zoom-zoom and a-boom-boom."
-Wreckx-n-Effect
It's his decision-making...
Last year he would take the ball on the wing and hesitate, unsure whether to drive, pass, or shoot from the outside. Something’s different now… I don’t know why or what but the last few games he seems to be trusting his instinct and ability. No fear of failure?
Maybe it's as simple as something clicking
Or maybe he’s just on a hot streak. Or Chris McD’s thought below is perfectly plausible. Several posts down from here, madglove brings up that EJ wasn’t so spectacular last year when Baron was out. So maybe it really is just a coming of age.
"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT
um, yeah
this offense is MUCH better. Look at the freedom EJ has now to play his game. He’s a completely different player.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
"the future of the position looks to be secured"
Bledsoe played a great game, but let’s not get carried away here.
Would you accept promising?
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
Eric Gordon is a different kind of player when Baron isn't on the court.
As Kevin Garnett would say, get rid of Baron, “he is cancerous to this team and the league”.
Nice win tonight. I thought for sure we were headed towards 0-9, glad I was wrong.
I've got nothing.
by bc56274 on Nov 3, 2010 11:23 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
This was the first game I watched live
I guess I need to start watching games live more often.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
first game I watched live this season
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
Well I went to the home game and we lost so... maybe not
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
I guess, so
I was referring to first game I watched live at home… I think we are thinking too much about this.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
Ah, the anti-curse.
"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT
Impressive Trio + Bench Mob gets it done
Bledsoe + EJ + Griffin made for a real nice trio up front tonight. Loved how Bledsoe pushed the ball even with the double digit lead. I’ve seen too many Clipper leads crumble by walking it up the court with a lead like that. Gordon got D’d up tonight but still got it done, which was great to see. Chemistry between the Eric’s seemed to be a lot better than on Monday, a good sign. Griffin just did his thing, obviously benefitting from the play of the back court. Could’ve easily had 20 + points.
Bench Mob: I’ll throw Gomes in here, since i’m not sure how much there is seperating him from Rasual & Aminu, but it’s been a relief to see him settle in the last couple games. Tonight, even more than against the Spurs. Not sure how much of KD’s night we can put on Gomes, but it’s definitely a feather in his cap. Have to think it was an off night for KD as well, since he simply missed on quite a few open looks and we did run multiple guys at him.
Anyway, the 2nd team’s play in the first half was a huge catalyst to the win. Smith, Sool, & DJ played like the rotation players we need them to be. They had a real opportunity to break the game open there in the 2nd quarter but missed a few easy ones that lead to a Thunder run.
Also, have to mention again that the first win correlated heavily with closing quarters. EJ had a great end of quarter play (finally), and overall this was the first game where we were able to win this battle, on another occasion forcing a 24 second violation against the Thunder w/ 5 seconds left.
In regards to the road trip, you said it Steve, let us just get 1 to keep the chains moving.
Bench Mob. I like it.
It’s high time for those group of guys to develop some swagger. I must say, it’s great having Smith back in action.
"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT
Yeah Smith was big (no pun intended)
he is really hard for the other team to stop and he plays well on defense.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
Yup, loved the BENCH MOB and thier energy..They were intimidating the Thunder.
Especially DJ. He got every one pumped up when he was on the court and that seemed keep the tempo up where EJ, BG and EB excelled. So tired of Dunleavy’s slow no E-motion offense.
Blake Griffin: "There's been much more fuel added to my fire... things change when something is taken away from you."
don't hold your breath
I really hate VDN’s sets.
Although I do believe that the tempo is much better, will the efficiency be better because of it? Time will tell
Blake Griffin is coming, hide your MBengas
Cant be shooting 55% from the line
15-27. come on now
"I'm an All-Star in my mind. You don't have to have somebody tell you that, to be an All-Star. It doesn't work that way." -Sam Cassell
yeah, that will actually lose us a few games. We really really need help there.
My biggest worry is when Blake goes in for dunks teams are going to start fouling him hard because they know he can’t make a free throw. That scares me in more ways than one I speak not of.
that puts other teams in foul trouble
….and totally changes their game plan. That’s a good thing.
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
by Takebb909 on Nov 4, 2010 6:20 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
in part i agree
but if we can’t make FREE throws it’s basically a TO which having an offense that sometimes struggles like us having too many turnovers (+missed free throws) is going to kill us.
Doesn't seem to bug the Magic
And I think Blake is a better and-1 finisher than Dwight.
"All I wanna do is zoom-a-zoom-zoom-zoom and a-boom-boom."
-Wreckx-n-Effect
Forgot to mention above how aggressive the defense was
One of the key differences
Note the naysayers haven’t made an appearance today. Apparently they aren’t too happy with the win.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Bledsoe just bugs the crap out of everyone on the other team
He’s so ridiculously active, without fouling too much—-I love it!
"All I wanna do is zoom-a-zoom-zoom-zoom and a-boom-boom."
-Wreckx-n-Effect
Wow
so concerned about me, I’m touched. Out of town this week so I missed the game. It figures I go to all the preseason games and the first 3 home games and miss the lone win.
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.
Actually wasn't talking about you
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Nov 4, 2010 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Feel free to watch the game though
However, I’m sure that since Bledsoe had three turnovers you’ll probably say he sux
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Happy for the win, but...
This is obviously awesome news that our Clips finally win.
But I thought Durant missing so many shots was truly amazing. I don’t think this will actually happen very often and I thought we took this win because of the youth within the OKC team.
Call me pessimistic but I don’t think we can legibly beat a veteran team like the Spurs yet :/ I also worry about teams like Orlando too because Kaman is just SUCKING BIG TIME.
I feel sorry for the guy because he WAS our ALL STAR center but he’s underperforming like heck. It’s even worse when our own crowd is booing him :/ That’s not very encouraging coming out from the most loyal fan base in the NBA. We should stop booing the poor guy :/
Anyhow. Clippers GOOO CLIPPERS!
Clippers '10-'11. I'm ready. Are they?
Can't boo the guy
I’m all for fans expressing how they feel about a player, but Kaman has consistently contributed for years now. Maybe the worst 5 games I’ve seen him play as a Clipper, but he’ll be around 18 & 10 when the season is over. It seems like he isn’t being put into positions to succeed. He should be used in more pick and pop plays, or getting the ball on the block. He has really solid post moves (when not being doubled)…I wish he would box out though instead of just watching when shots go up…Kaman needs to start clean up the glass on the defensive end, and the rest of his game will follow..
Couldn't agree more
People gotta give Chris a break, not kick him when he’s already down on himself. We’re not Laker fans, we gotta stick with our guys even when it’s not fair weather.
It’s not like he was taking bad shots (like a certain other fellow we know). If he’s missing good looks, we just need to encourage him to get his mojo back and those same shots will start falling again like they did before.
by Raining Buckets on Nov 4, 2010 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Also, he's been loyal to the team when most guys aren't
A guy of his size and skill set could easily have demanded a trade by now – especially after an all-star appearance. Chris has been classy and committed to the Clippers, and he deserves to be treated with respect, even if he’s slumping.
by Raining Buckets on Nov 4, 2010 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Kaman is a quandry
you don’t know how many times i’ve gone back and fourth thinking that he had to go. Before, it was always mostly about injury, but now I really don’t know. He can be really really good, but I don’t think he’ll ever be great. He hasn’t shown that he can utilize his skills to equate to wins.
I think his game is one that demands an iso/ball stoppage, and he still hasn’t proved to be a good passer out of his offense. I think it’s too early this season to give up on him, but if we continue to under achieve, I’m not sure he remains a clipper after his contract.
Kaman actually resigned with the Clippers for a long commitment
He’s not one of the people who signed with another team to have us match and keep him (ala Brand, Magette, etc. etc.). We should boo the fairweather fans who are booing him. He’s the most loyal Clipper we have, nothing about those fans is loyal. They are miserable people with miserable lives and should be euthanized.
LOL a little harsh there
Kaman has definitely been a turning point for the clips as an organization. His contract is up after like next year? so he’s on the bottom end of the contract, and I’m not sure what he’ll command on the open market.
I think he’ll turn it around this season, and I would never boo him. I got my friend to start the MVP chants for him at a game last year, hahah. But I still don’t think he should be our “go to” scorer, and we’ll see if he how he continues to grow. Right now we he’s definitely our best center.
I will admit...
That on the fourth turnover in a row in the Portland game I did let out a boo. I was incredibly frustrated and wishing his shots would not fall in, and I was mad he got blocked. However, I really do like Kaman and would never say that he sucks. In fact, I get really annoyed at the people that do so. Kaman is starting center on my fantasy team even. And I hope that his game starts picking up, not because of fantasy basketball, but because I want to see him make the all star team again. He did incredibly well last season despite naysayers saying that his high point average was bogus, and he’s still one of the best centers in the league.
Are we watching the same games?
He’s been taking HORRIBLE shots with plenty of time left on the clock, he’s not passing and when he does he’s turning it over and he is playing ZERO defense. I was at the game last night and no fewer than 5 times was the ball in his vicinity and he didn’t fight for it allowing OKC to regain possesion.
I’m sorry but give credit where credit is due. I pay for my right to voice my opinion and if you wanna watch the game on your couch and then blog about a kinder gentler Clips Nation – sorry but I’m not buying your brand…
You have the right to voice your opinion
but Kaman has plenty of value as a defender and rebounder.
With his psyche who knows how he might be reacting to the negativity.
Just like Baron, I fully believe Kaman has a lot to offer to this team. Yes, their roles must change (most likely change in their respective minds I think the team is already moving in a different direction), but they’re our only veterans that are more than just replacement level players.
Blake Griffin is coming, hide your MBengas
by bacek on Nov 4, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fair...
but honestly, if he’s so fragile emotionally that a few isolated boos are preventing him from acting like a 7 footer than he has more problems than any of us thought. I was there; the VAST majority of people there were not Clippers fans. They were Durant fans, OKC/Seattle fans or just fans of basketball. The audience cleared out mid-4th quarter as we were getting our first W of the year. A real Clippers fan wouldn’t do that.
Frankly the Yankees, Lakers, Celtics, Phillies have really hard fans that cheer the loudest in success and boo the loudest in faliure. This creates champions. If you want to wear kid gloves with these players thats your perogative but you will engender a soft, mediocre team in the process
I cleared out when they called off the dogs
I live in the Valley and wanted to dodge traffic. I have been a STH for years, and been a Clips fan since Marc Jackson days. But I go mainly for entertainment, once I see that Westbrook and Durant gets checked out of the game and know VDN will take out Gordon and Griffin, there was no reason for me to stay anymore.
I still feel like I am a real Clipper fan
Blake Griffin is coming, hide your MBengas
I think you are a true Clipper fan too...
but you know what I mean…there weren’t too many of us there. Kaman makes more than you and I will probably ever make. I feel like its fair to criticize him for giving away possessions, I dont care how sensitive or emotionally vulnerable he is right now.
I respect your position; just not going to change mine
Yes
I became a Kaveman fan when early in his career he would challenge guys at the rim. More often then not he would be on the posterized end of the deal but seemingly he didn’t have any fear. He’s sort of more an offensive guy now. I think some one needs to remind him thAt he’s a 7ftr, especially around the rim!!!
by benfromoc on Nov 4, 2010 7:06 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Even if Durant actually hits his 3's (let's say 40%)
That’s only 12 more points for him, so they still lose the game. Also, keeping in mind that it was really an 18-20 point lead that we let get to 15 in the final 2 minutes, we still win handily if Durant hits his normal mark on 3’s.
If he gets to the line too, then maybe it’s a close game. But that’s a close game against a 50-win team playing at their peak. Not too shabby!
"All I wanna do is zoom-a-zoom-zoom-zoom and a-boom-boom."
-Wreckx-n-Effect
" I thought we took this win because of the youth within the OKC team. "
That’s exactly the reason why I thought this game was the one we would win.
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
by Takebb909 on Nov 4, 2010 6:23 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Another below average game for EJ. Oh how the eye test failed us!
I’m starting to wonder how long Kaman’s abysmal slump is going to last. He was scoring 20 points a game when last season started. Maybe its the “booing”, but I can’t imagine shooting staying this bad for much longer.
Kaman is come out with a 3.0 performance
…that is he will break the “score barrier” and hit 30 pts, then we will all dance to the tune of that continuously resurrected 80’s hit “Good Times”.
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by Takebb909 on Nov 4, 2010 6:30 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Great win!
I am completely surprised at how well Bledsoe tonight. Wasn’t expecting him to elevate his game so quickly in the NBA. I wouldn’t put too much pressure on him to perform though. Gotta remember he’s still a rookie and will have his ups and downs. Remember when Mike Taylor had that good game and sparked us 2 seasons ago(can’t remember vs who)? We were all excited about his future and that didn’t turn out so well.
I think the experience with the USA basketball team really boosted EJ’s confidence. He’s finally comfortable with his skills and willing to take over a game when needed. Maybe we finally have The One, that go to guy we sorely need when we need a bucket!
And seriously we gotta lay off of Kaman. He might not reach similiar stats compared to last year and doesn’t respond well under pressure, but he’s still a solid guy who’s been with us through some bad seasons and putting up decent numbers. I’m sure over the season his play will pick up, just gotta give some time.
One thing I’ve noticed though is Vinny rides his stars pretty hard. I hope he gives the two Erics enough rest so they won’t be dead tired towards the 2nd half of the season.
"Tough point guard, I like how he plays. Very scrappy."
Gordon quote re: Bledsoe. Sounds like a vote of confidence.
"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein
by Another son of Mike Smith on Nov 4, 2010 12:57 AM PDT reply actions
"Whenever he slows down, he's going to be even better," Gordon said. "I don't really mean slow down. Just slow down enough that he doesn't run into things."
That part made me laugh ;)
"All I wanna do is zoom-a-zoom-zoom-zoom and a-boom-boom."
-Wreckx-n-Effect
Funny how shallow it looked only a couple games ago
Now Gomes is playing like a good 5th or 6th man, Rasual is embracing his role on the bench, Craig is doing his usual Rhino-thing, Cookie is staying where he belongs (on the pine), Bledsoe is making noise, and DJ is contributing efficiently. Just think, when we start getting production from Aminu, that’s just one more weapon.
"All I wanna do is zoom-a-zoom-zoom-zoom and a-boom-boom."
-Wreckx-n-Effect
i have a feeling we are pulling one at denver
not that optimistic about utah and san antonio….maybe san antonio but that will be pushing it.
Patience can pay off
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by Jax on Nov 4, 2010 6:36 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I wouldn't let 1 game determine whether the roster is deep or not
But last night definitely made it seem like we had one of the deepest rosters. If we can keeping playing like this, we can give every team a run for their money.
I just can't agree with you guys on Kaman
I’ve grown tired of watching him miss easy shots or turn the ball over with his poor passing, and pull his disappearing act in the fourth quarter, teasing us with his great skills and then looking like he’s forgotten where he is. I think if he was going to come around he would have done it by now. I hope I’m wrong. And I’m sure the fans booing him have gotten sick of it too.
in the mean time..............
…while he IS here, a smart coach will use him where he is best utilized; and that is not as a first or 2nd option but the last option (mostly). I propose this based from what seems obvious to me.
-Kaman is not good at making multiple decisions. Keep it simple.
-Kaman is not good at passing it back out of the post.
-Kaman is not the best at backing down from too far away, as he has a propensity to be stripped.
-Kaman is highly effective 7ft and in, scoring down low. Doing well with either hand.
-Kaman has great size to stick it out down low.
-Kaman as great hands.
-Kaman is quick with his actions when he is decided. Wether that is down low or the open jumper.
-he is solid with his jumper.
The Bottom Line: Kaman is, typically, great when he does not have to make decisions and just score…score quickly, I should say. It sholud be plays where he is last on the list of options and he gets the ball with 5-7 seconds left and the team is shouting “Score Chris…NOW!!”. Kaman will see much value this way. Now when he is on fire and focused, then this approach should not have to apply.
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by Takebb909 on Nov 4, 2010 6:52 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
+1 I agree with you 100%
Kaman is an asset to the game if you play more of a half court game like MDS did with Brand and Casell, Kaman will fit right in! But VDN is a point guard, he played a point guard in NBA. He has been try to tell B. Davis, Bleso and EJ to speed up the pace for the first 3 games but with Kaman in the center position, there is NO WAY Kaman can keep up! Seen the new direction VDN want this team to go forward, Clips need a Center that can run, pass, and smarter than Kaman! I will have DJ watch P.Gasol ‘s tape 27/7 on how he pass the ball and use his big body to make other players play around him. I think with DJ’s personality, he will be easier to learn the new system then Kaman! Sorry Kaman, I will try to ask for a trade to a team that play more half court game!
+1 to you
I am pondering the thought of trading him (I would trade him in a fals for E. Brand)! But maybe there is still some hope! I just think if early in the 1st quarter his shot is not falling then he should stop taking shots!!! Oh and he is not playing D (e.g. not fighting for the dang rebound!) then Coach should take him out! He just cant keep shooting on and on when he is not making it!
I have no idea what happen! He was so stellar in pre-season! Maybe the marriage life got to him! Maybe its his beard! I still kinda like him…but if he keeps playing like this I might consider booing him!
at this stage
Craig Smith is more valuable than his direct contributions alone. We only have a short number of low post threats….and right now he is the most proficient at that.
I’m glad he’s back
I’m glad we re-signed him.
Aminu already has started to contribute effectively when called upon. Could he see his name called to join his teammates Blake and Bledsoe in “LA” for the rookie all-star game?
Was I the only persone that saw the unbelievable behind-the-back scoop pass from Bledsoe to Blake under the rim.
Can we get:
Gordon in the 3pt contest
Griffin in the Dunk
Bledsoe in the Skills
…and someone at the Big Game?
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by Takebb909 on Nov 4, 2010 7:05 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
i think he could go as a replacement if not a reserve
remember kidd was chosen basically because it was in dallas.
Only one in the dunk?
We should have Griffin AND Gordon in the dunk. He didn’t get a chance to show all his skills last year. And considering how abysmal the contest was last year, it won’t be hard for either of them to take it.
I can see why no one reads that OKC - Welcome to Loud City Blog
Nothing insightful, just a bunch of excuses on why they lost. No credit to the Clippers.
Actually he says, “and the Clippers, they still stink, I would be surprised to see them win 30.” He also goes on to say Bledsoe only shows flashes of brilliance but comes off as a third or fourth wheel. Well yeah…our 1st wheel right now is an ABOVE average SG who played on Team USA and downright dominated the game, our 2nd wheel is a beast PF who is a candidate for ROY and our 3rd wheel was an All-Star last year.
That, “the Clippers still stink” like really irked me too.
Absolutely no credit to the Clippers.
by Michael White on Nov 4, 2010 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Funny coming from a team that has ONE 50 win season under the belt.
How quickly they forgot their 2-24 start less than 2 years ago.
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's going down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Nov 4, 2010 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
this coming from fans of a team that has ZERO 50 win seasons?
Blake Griffin is coming, hide your MBengas
Yeah but we're dedicated
We’re true fans. Like a boss.
I'm saying at least we give credit where credit is due.
I’m not bragging about the Clippers win last night, I’m saying it’s ridiculous to say the only reason the Thunder lost was because of the Thunder.
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's going down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Nov 4, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
We do the same thing here, don't we?
Blake Griffin is coming, hide your MBengas
Some people just love excuses
They just can’t take the blame for anything and they act like they did nothing wrong. Happens all the time with sports. Hell, even I act like that.
It's like that for a LOT of blogs
The Heat blog “Peninsula is Mightier” is empty regardless of them being the top prospect for winning the Championship this year. I think this and Silver Screen and Roll are the busiest blogs.
golden state of mind is pretty busy. the knicks one too.
i think you can tell a bit about a fanbase , because people on the blogs tend to be the most die hard fans.
FWIW
Clips Nation is around 10 or 11 in traffic among NBA blogs. There are some whales – Celtics, Blazers, Warriors, Nets (weird, huh?), others I’m forgetting. Silver Screen and Roll is approaching whale status. And then there’s a bunch of solid traffic blogs like Clips Nation and the Suns and Magic and Knicks and Spurs and lots of others.
And a few just haven’t ever taken off, for some reason. For obvious reasons, Peninsula is Mightier (Heat blog) is growing exponentially right now.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
They don't have computers or the internet in Oklahoma.
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's going down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Nov 4, 2010 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions
The team actually tried last night
I have been to the games and I can finally say the entire team tried every single minute of the game.
There may have been two or three plays where the team slept on d, like that tip back dunk by Durant. For the most part everyone was engaged.
For all thsoe that think Baron does not have chemistry with EJ. I paid close attention to how they were interacting while EJ was on the bench. Baron was in his ear the whole night giving him tips. Eric continuous sat right in front of Baron and they discussed the game.
This game clearly shows that aside from opening night the Clippers as a whole tried hard for more than a quarter and a half.
Blake Griffin is coming, hide your MBengas
I think you're confusing chemistry with friendship
The fact that Baron talks to EJ doesn’t at all show that they have on-court chemistry. It just shows that they talk. That’s not a bad thing of course, but it has very little to do with chemistry. Players can be friends and not have good on-court chemistry. Similarly, players can care little for each other and play really well together.
Baron does a great job of being a mentor to the kids. I love seeing that. He’s constantly talking to the youngsters and giving tips and encouragement. When Bled came out last night he sat right in front of Baron and the two talked and laughed.
But that’s a completely different thing from having on-court chemistry. EJ’s play the last two games as well as his play on Team USA supports the notion that he doesn’t have good chemistry with Baron. As I said in another thread, that may not be Baron’s fault. It’s just as much an issue of EJ’s personality and willingness to defer.
Maybe when Baron comes back, EJ will continue to be assertive and hopefully Baron will be ok with that and the two can start developing real chemistry. But right now, it’s clear as day that EJ is more comfortable with Baron out.
but do we know if that's Baron's fault?
EJ’s usage was up even when Baron was playing. Now EJ’s shot is falling so he looks like a much better player.
I don’t think anyone can make any assertion just yet.
Blake Griffin is coming, hide your MBengas
Uh...
hence my statement “that may not be Baron’s fault.”
And I’m sorry but if you honestly think EJ looks better simply because his shot is falling, you’re watching a different game or blinding yourself to reality for the sake of your argument.
His play out there is night and day from when he played with Baron. And FYI, his shot WASN’T falling on Monday when he as 0-3 from behind the arc.
I don’t think it’s Baron’s “fault” per se. But there certainly is a difference in EJ’s play when Baron isn’t on the court.
Having said that, I’m inclined to believe it’s more Eric’s mentality. Because he wasn’t all that great when Baron missed games in previous seasons.
no he looks better to those saying we don't need Baron anymore
sorry if I didn’t make that clear
In my guide to enjoying the season I already stated that Eric is blossoming
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Well I agree that it's too early to talk about dumping Baron
I’m more excited that Bled is developing so quickly and has CLEARLY established that he should be the primary backup, NOT Randy Foye (which is what I was saying since the summer).
Having said that, Bled needs to be given at least 20-25 min a game even when Baron is healthy. That might involve putting Baron off the ball and having a 3 guard rotation between Bled, Baron and EJ at the 1-2 spots.
Poor Foye
I’ve wondered at different times whether teams feel at all obliged to give new guys playing time, seeing as they recently agreed to sign on. Last year, I thought for a while that we weren’t signing Sessions out of our duty to Telfair.
"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT
I think Foye will fit in too
This is a bunch of guys thrown together in a new system. Some of the kids are very young. They will be inconsistent but they will do fine so long as they are playing hard and believe in the system. Yes the team needs a talent upgrade but that will come in time.
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by Jax on Nov 4, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Agree again...
We haven’t seen Foye’s best and, if nothing else, Bledsoe’s improvement gives us greater depth.
you are so die hard and ready to scrap about the "baron's fault" thing that
you don’t even realize that nowhere in his statement did he ever say it was Baron’s fault.
He simply stated something may be off with their chemistry. Whether it be EJ or BD.
man take off the jade glasses.
Didn’t even bother apologizing to the guy for the misunderstanding….
Do I dare say.... Trade Baron???
Ok ok, its just one good game from the rook.. BUT if Baron doesnt feel the pressure now I dont know if he ever will.. He needs to step up his game from the first 2.. because i think its pretty apperant now that this team is better suited playing at a high tempo, rather than just talking about it…
Blake Griffin: "There's been much more fuel added to my fire... things change when something is taken away from you."
I think fans are reading something that isn't there
There is obvious chemistry between Gordon and Davis.
Davis still has plenty of value to this team.
Yes, Davis needs to take a reduced role but that doesn’t mean he is useless.
Blake Griffin is coming, hide your MBengas
where is this obvious chemistry?
It is anything but obvious….
I agree..
Though I dont really think we should trade Baron based on one game. But, Bledsoe and EJ showed better chemistry than Baron and EJ(at least in this one game).
Blake Griffin: "There's been much more fuel added to my fire... things change when something is taken away from you."
i think this can all be summed up with the statement:
- If this can be done with Bledsoe, imagine how much more can be done with Baron-
Baron still has a wider range of skill sets the Bledsoe. But that did narrow quite a bit last night.
That summary statement points the finger to Baron to show him its not the team or coaches fault for their previous short comings. And that’s gotta make Baron feel pretty nascious….when he comes to that realization. Those two games aren’t going to do that but him coming back and them stinking it up again surely would.
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by Takebb909 on Nov 4, 2010 12:04 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Baron has a cyst behind his knee
maybe he is injured as opposed to hurt and dogging it.
We all know playing hurt and playing injured is two different things
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This is the detail that is being overlooked...
Baron is probably injured and has not admitted to it publicly. That’s something to be admired. The Baron Davis we’ve seen this year is not the guy we saw as recently as last year.
is this what was known between Baron and Del Taco before the season started
when Coach came out to the media stating Baron was out of shape? Did he know of the issue and instead of wanting to let the “enemy” know their captain was injured, lowering the teams morale, decided to instead say it was conditioning and hope Baron could play past it? Maybe now they see all hope is not lost with Baron out, since Bledsoe showed some ability, so now this sit Baron.
I think (and im not medically trained) that perhaps Baron would need minor surgery to remove the cyst or it will continue to be a nagging matter.
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
Your relentless defense of Baron
seems largely based on his performance in previous years that statistically makes him an “above-replacement-level” player. But have you actually been watching the Baron Davis playing basketball for the Clippers during the 2010-2011 season? Not the same guy.
Baron is on the wrong side of 30 and seems to be deteriorating rapidly. I’ll absolutely grant you that the Baron Davis of a few years ago could help this team, chemistry issues with EJ be damned. But thus far we’ve seen no evidence that that Baron Davis still exists.
You can be as arrogantly dismissive of the “eye test” as you want, but I’ll be equally dismissive of those who ignore the fact that past performance doesn’t guarantee future results, particularly with aging, out-of-shape point guards. As of this moment, right now, the team is playing better without Baron than with him. It’s incumbent on Baron to show he still has something left in the tank.
Proudly enduring the pain since the days of Bill Walton's foot.
they played better for ONE GAME
your argument is much stronger than mine I give you credit.
I have admitted Baron sucks, plenty of times. I also said he needs to take a reduced role. But he has plenty of value, and if he truly is injured I think it is unfair to write him off.
You and others are too reactionary.
Blake Griffin is coming, hide your MBengas
How am I reactionary?
I haven’t written him off, and I haven’t said he has no value. What I am saying is that he has been unimpressive, to put it mildly, so far this season. Sure, he may be injured. Then again, perhaps he could’ve avoided that by training in the off-season rather than trying to cram it all in to the last couple of months and overdoing it. He is the highest-paid player on the team, for Pete’s sake. Guess it’s too much to ask him to train year-round and lead by example for $13MM?
Seriously, do you think that this team is making the playoffs this year, whether or not Baron starts at PG and plays 30 mins a game? Do you think he will ever be the player he once was, and will ever again play to anywhere near the level of his contract? I’m not arguing that he’s useless; I’m saying it doesn’t matter. Baron’s heavy involvement might make the team 5 games better this season, but those 5 games won’t be enough to put us in the Top 8 in the West. Therefore, I think we’re better off in the long run to be focused on developing Gordon and Bledsoe and the team that might be competitive in the future rather than slowing their development to finish 10th rather than 12th in the West — especially given the fact that this improvement would depend on Baron actually playing like some semblance of his former self, something we’ve seen no evidence that he’s even capable of doing.
Proudly enduring the pain since the days of Bill Walton's foot.
look at MW's comment below
it sums it up, and btw going on a long winded rant about being called reactionary, isn’t the best way to prove you aren’t reactionary.
Blake Griffin is coming, hide your MBengas
Sure, be dismissive
rather than refuting anything I said.
Proudly enduring the pain since the days of Bill Walton's foot.
we aren't arguing over anything you said
I said you are being reactionary to the fact that Baron has played 3 bad games. The same games where the whole team played badly.
It’s a small sample size, and many people here not just you are blowing it out of proportion.
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That's not what I'm reacting to, specifically
I’m reacting to the fact that, after the previous 2 underwhelming years, and despite the motivation that you’d think might come from Blake’s return, Baron showed up out-of-shape to start the 3rd year of his 5-year deal. And that his poor play and/or injury is a likely result. And that we shouldn’t have to wait for 2 or 3 months of the season to go by for him to play himself into shape.
Some of us aren’t just being “reactionary.” We’re looking at the bigger picture, and that’s the part of my argument you keep conveniently ignoring. It’s hard for me to imagine the Clippers being competitive until, at best, the final year of Baron’s contract. Thus I’d rather focus on the building of that team, and the development of that team, even if it means fewer wins in the short term.
Proudly enduring the pain since the days of Bill Walton's foot.
I'm not ignoring anything
if you look around at my comments in this topic I have said Baron needs to take a smaller role. There is no reason to believe that throwing a rookie into the firs is better than grooming a rookie with ample playing time. I am sure Bledsoe has earned 20-25 minutes a game. He will be inconsistent since he is a rookie and hasn’t played point really since high school. This would be the times when Baron would be relied upon to bring stability to the team.
You are conveniently not reading. Again you are being reactionary, only further proving my point.
Blake Griffin is coming, hide your MBengas
You are conveniently not reading too
Disagreeing with you ≠ reactionary. And neither is reacting to what we’ve seen in the first 3 years of Baron’s contract. I was patient with him for the first 2. Then he came to camp out of shape yet again, and my patience was exhausted. Now, despite the fact that he does have value as an NBA player, I’m ready to see him take his talents to South Beach, or anywhere else.
That’s not a reaction to the first 5 games of the season, in a vacuum; it’s a reaction to the first 167 games of his 405-game contract. Whether or not he has value, whether or not he has a positive plus-minus, whether or not other players are equally to blame for the poor start is, to me, irrelevant. He is (and should be) held to a higher standard, as the leaders of all NBA teams are. But he doesn’t hold himself to that standard.
Obviously you still value what he brings to the team (or what he might bring if and when he’s healthy and in shape). I no longer think the virtues outweigh the detriments. But that doesn’t mean you are rational and I’m reactionary; it only means we disagree.
Proudly enduring the pain since the days of Bill Walton's foot.
you are reactionary
you haven’t given Baron a chance to prove his worth for this year.
His role is different this year because of the youth movement. So you cannot have the expectations of 3 years ago.
I expect another long winded rant saying you aren’t reactionary
Blake Griffin is coming, hide your MBengas
Not worth it
Since obviously you’re too stubborn to read.
Proudly enduring the pain since the days of Bill Walton's foot.
Its useless to try to argue that Baron needs to go!
You won’t win that battle but i stop defending Baron after last
year and then he had the balls to say this was going to be the
year and he comes to camp out of shape. I think i can speak
for most of us reactionary citizen that we’re pretty much done
with Boom fizzle! The funny part is these same people who
defend Baron were the one’s criticizing EJ that he needed to
rebound and have more assist. Now look at EJ and look at
Baron. Any questions?
Haven't you guys learned already?
It’s ALWAYS Baron Davis’ and Chris Kaman’s faults whenever we lose a game. Let’s just trade them both for peanuts. And then when they start producing on winning teams we can Memphis’ Gasol deal look like genius.
Forget that basketball is a team sport. Forget that Baron’s +/- average over the season shows that the Clippers do better with him on the floor. “He’s a dog,” as my favorite commenter on clipperblog.com likes to say.
Anyway, I do agree that he needs to take a smaller role and be a mentor to the younger players. He can teach them a lot.
Forget that he's supposed to be the team leader...
and showed up out of shape to start the 3rd year of his 5-year contract?
Look, it’s easy to tar everyone with the same brush. But isn’t it possible that some of us who have been staunch Baron defenders in the past might have been turned off by the fact that this year, with Blake coming back, with a new coach vowing to run an up-tempo offense, with EJ starting to come into his own, and with a dwindling number of chances to prove himself the savior of our woebegone franchise, he still didn’t show the motivation or dedication to properly prepare for the season?
Proudly enduring the pain since the days of Bill Walton's foot.
Actually it's really hard to tar anyone with a brush
Tar is thick and gooey, and it melts most brushes. Now you can definitely paint with a brush, but tarring just doesn’t work so well. And if you did use a brush to tar everyone, you would probably get beat down by some very angry people.
You're so right! It's not a common expression! What was I thiking?!
http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/tar+with+the+same+brush
Proudly enduring the pain since the days of Bill Walton's foot.
I agree with you.
I do think he should have been in shape and ready for the season. I honestly don’t know how someone can become out of shape if their life is based on their athleticism. I can only hope that he’ll be motivated.
However, my comments aren’t directed toward you. My point is that too many people throw up the trade flag when everyone knows that all we’ll get out of the trade is crap, and when (not if) they start doing well on “better teams” people will start wondering why we traded them. Kaman and Baron are still useful. It’s folly to think a trade this season would benefit the franchise.
5, actually
He just wasn’t able to play in 2 of them, more than likely as a result of his failure to train properly in the off-season. Or should we simply ignore that?
Proudly enduring the pain since the days of Bill Walton's foot.
I’m not a doctor so I can’t comment as to whether it is likely a result of his failure to train properly.
by Michael White on Nov 4, 2010 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah but you did stay in a holiday inn xpress last night
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by Jax on Nov 4, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
lets trade baron davis
even if it is just a salary dump….he needs to go
Kaman to Pistons?
Yahoo Sports Rumor is having Kaman to Pistons! That make sense since Kaman is from MI, but what will be a good trade and who will we get! Prince? another forward?
The Clippers have 2 centers right now who I don’t mind seeing in the game. Trading one of them away to add another forward would be silly.
by Michael White on Nov 4, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Except Melo
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
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by Jax on Nov 4, 2010 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I rather target Iggy
less money, no concern about an extension and Philly would demand less for him.
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.
How about...
Kaman + Aminu for Prince + Monroe?
"look, you can find any coach you want, bring him in here and run the situation. But I don't think they are going to do as good a job as I do." -Mike Dunleavy Sr.
by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Nov 4, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
If they wanted Aminu, they would have drafted him.
by Michael White on Nov 4, 2010 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
What would be the point?
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Nov 4, 2010 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions
"you're conviniently not reading"...."your being reactionary"...
…sheesh, if we are like this on this board as mutual clipper fans, one against another to such an extent, without one or the other taking pause to the others dialog, its no wonder we, as a state and nation can’t agree on budgets in a timely manner or at all. Lol. Its pretty entertaining. Jax & John R, you can take ease knowing that when your away, we have Bacek and Boltz to hold down the fort.
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