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The Clippers' Eric Bledsoe - Where Did That Come From?

How unexpected was Eric Bledsoe's stellar performance against Oklahoma City last night?  Starting for the Clippers in only the fifth game of his NBA career, he went for 17 points on 7 for 10 shooting and 8 assists.  There was really nothing that the kid had done on the court previously that would have led us to believe he was capable of such a mature performance. 

We knew about the speed and the athleticism, but the results to this point just weren't good.  Not in Summer League, not in pre-season.  I certainly didn't see all of his games at Kentucky, but playing with John Wall I think it's safe to say that he hasn't been this productive playing the point guard position since he was in high school.  It's difficult to describe just how unlikely such a leap is in your fifth NBA game.

Remember Summer League?  Summer League is the perfect setting for a rookie point guard to learn his trade.  If you think back over the years of the Las Vegas Summer League, the guys who tended to light it up were always young athletic point guards, and not always first overall picks: Nate Robinson, Jerryd Bayless, Russell Westbrook, Brandon Jennings, of course Derrick Rose and John Wall.  In that setting, which was ideal for Bledsoe to have big games, he was a disaster leading the team.  He committed 10 turnovers in his first Summer League game, and then committed 10 turnovers again a few days later.  Again, his athleticism and ability were evident, but he just looked so far away from being ready to play in the NBA.  He was throwing so many passes into the crowd, I actually feared for the safety of innocent bystanders. 

Star-divide

Here's what I said about him after his first SL game:

Bledsoe looked the best of the guys under contract, despite his 10 turnovers.  He made some passes that indicated that he has good court vision - and he also made a lot of passes that he simply should not have thrown.  He has a long way to go in terms of running a team.

When I watched him in the Clippers first scrimmage down at Camp Pendleton, he had clearly made a lot of progress. 

The difference between Eric Bledsoe in summer league and today is night and day.  Watching him today, we saw some of the tantalizing athleticism (he got to the rim easily on more than one occasion, and absolutely froze Jon Scheyer in his tracks on one crossover), and none (well, almost none) of the silly mistakes.  When he got in the lane, he had a plan, and there's little question that he led all players in assists, though I was not tracking those specifically.  I've been assuming that Bledsoe was not going to help this season - after today, I'm not so sure.

Then came pre-season.  With Baron Davis still rounding into shape and missing the first two games, Bledsoe had a chance to play some minutes.  Unfortunately, he was unimpressive when he was on the floor, and after Baron got back, Bledsoe ws relegated to third string again.  Strangely, despite it being pre-season and seemingly the right time to get him some game experience, Vinny Del Negro played him very little once Baron was back in the rotation.

 

 

Min

FG

3FG

FT

Reb

A

S

B

TO

PF

+/-

Pts

POR

30

2-5

0-1

5-5

3

1

0

0

6

1

-26

9

SAC

13

0-2

0-0

1-3

0

2

1

0

2

1

-14

1

SAS

3

0-1

0-0

0-0

0

0

0

0

0

0

+5

0

DEN

5

0-0

0-0

0-0

0

3

0

0

2

0

+1

0

UTA

1

0-0

0-0

0-0

0

0

0

0

1

0

-4

0

DEN

19

2-4

0-1

0-0

2

7

0

0

4

3

-2

4

SAC

9

0-0

0-0

0-0

0

0

0

0

0

2

-4

0

 

As you can see from his game by game pre-season stats above, his results were mediocre at best.  In his first pre-season game, he had 1 assist versus 6 turnovers and posted a plus/minus of -26 in 30 minutes.  Overall, he had more turnovers (15) than assists (13) in seven pre-season games - a ratio in keeping with his single college season at Kentucky (112 turnovers to 107 assists) - and an overwhelming negative plus/minus total.

In seven pre-season games, I was so disinterested in the kid (who was a first round pick after all), that I basically wrote one thing about him during his 80 minutes of action: "I thought Eric Bledsoe looked good in his 5 minutes of court time.  I'd like to see him get some more burn, especially in pre-season."  That's it.

So, no, I wasn't prepared for him to have a break out performance one week into his NBA career.  The court vision I referenced back in Summer League was in evidence last night.  His ability to make something out of nothing, to find open players on broken plays, was pretty special.  I had to watch his "under the basket behind the back bullet" to Blake Griffin a couple of times to convince myself that he actually did it on purpose (unfortunately Griffin missed the layup robbing Bledsoe of another assist).  His look away lob to DeAndre Jordan on a loose ball scramgle was a tough play that he made look easy - he has to corral that ball, survey the court, and deliver the pass in a split second.  His instincts for the game, at least based on last night's performance, are uncanny.

Here's another thing I wrote after the first game of pre-season:

[I]f he [Bledsoe] can make that Tony Parker tear drop in the lane, he has a chance to be really good.  Unfortunately, he showed absolutely no indication of being able to make it, looking terrible every time he tried it. It's a tough shot, but an absolute necessity for an NBA point guard his size.

Well, I guess he's been practicing that shot.  He made two of them last night against Oklahoma City (although he may not have called glass on the one that banked in).  So I guess he has a chance to be really good.  Most impressive last night was definitely the way he pushed the ball.  Three times he took the ball coast to coast for a layup, and one of those was after a made basket.  But just as impressive was what he did when he DIDN'T get all the way to the rim - he pushed the tempo, but when the defense got back, he pulled the ball out and ran the offense.  It was a high wire act, to be sure - I got the impression that he was on the edge of control several times, and one wonders how easily that game could have been 3 assists and 8 turnovers rather than the other way around.  It worked last night for him, but there will be nights when it won't.

Along those lines, we need to keep this game in perspective.  J.A. Adande may be able to generate some page views by ginning up a point guard controversy, but there isn't one.  Suggesting that there is after one great game from Bledsoe is pretty silly.  I seem to recall Mike Taylor scoring 35 against the Knicks in March 2009; six months later the Clippers cut him.  Big games happen.  Baron Davis is the starter when he's healthy, not because he's a veteran and not because he makes $13M, but because he's better.  Was Bledsoe's performance last night superior to anything Baron did in the first three games?  Sure.  Of course, that's one game, not to mention that apparently Baron was hurt during those first three games.  But that is the sum total of evidence that suggests that Bledsoe should be the starter.  On the other hand, am I the only one who remembers how inept the Clippers were without Baron during the pre-season?  When he played, they looked pretty good.  When he didn't, they looked terrible. 

I'd also submit the pre-season as exhibit A that Baron really is hurt and isn't tanking or faking or mailing it in, or whatever else people think he may be doing right now.  Think about it - why would he come out and play hard during pre-season, and then lose interest when the season starts?  Wouldn't it be the other way around?  If Baron was looking old and slow during the first three games, it certainly seems reasonable to conclude that it was due to issues with his knee. It's not good that he's hurt; but it's better than if he simply didn't care.

For the time being, it looks as if Bledose will have a few more games to show what he can do - Baron probably won't be back for the beginning of the road trip, if he makes it back for the trip at all, and Foye is likely out another week.  Not to be a naysayer, but I'll warm you that the odds are better that Bledse will have a truly terrible game before he has another great one (though I hope I'm wrong).  I'm not saying I don't think Eric B has the potential to be a terrific player - I'm just saying he's a 20 year old NBA rookie who hasn't played point guard since he was in high school.  He's bound to have some really rough nights this early in his career.  It won't be cause for panic if/when he does, any more than one game is an indication of a point guard controversy.

Something else that should be pointed out is how much time and effort Bledsoe has put in to improve since being drafted, a point VDN stressed in his post game comments last night:  "I give all the credit to Eric - he's worked hard."  This didn't happen by accident.  The kid is clearly just flat better than he was in pre-season.

The real question isn't "Who starts when Baron is back?"  The answer there is Baron.  The question is, "What happens to Bledsoe's minutes when Baron AND Foye are back?"  Obviously these next few games will go a long way towards answering that question, but I think it's pretty clear that the guy needs minutes - he can't be relegated to spot duty and garbage time.  When the guard corps is at full strength, I expect to see Baron starting, and I hope to see Bledsoe getting 15 to 18 minutes at the point per night, with Foye moving over to limited shooting guard duty.  Bledsoe showed last night what he can do, and he needs time on an NBA court to get even better.

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Summer League and Pre-Season mean nothing

Which is what I’ve been saying since day 1. It was just silly for people to make broad conclusions about Bledsoe’s game based on summer league or pre-season. Just silly. Bled is definitely going through an adjustment process and the structure (or lack thereof) of SL doesn’t exactly lend itself to quality passing and teamwork.

In SL, Bled was focused on being a pure PG. Of the guards that you named Steve, most are scoring or combo guards. So they look good scoring and getting theirs. Bled looked fine when he was focusing on scoring, but he struggled with playmaking. That’s b/c 1) our SL team wasn’t very good, and thus his teammates weren’t exactly helping him out, and 2) SL is a glorified pick-up game.

I didn’t expect Bled to break out this early, but I certainly expected him to contribute THIS season. Which is why I’ve always maintained that he should be the primary backup PG, not Foye.

Going forward, I think Bled should definitely get 20-25 min per game. What’s the point of playing him less? He’s the future of the PG position and he can only benefit from more PT. There’s no reason at all Foye should be getting minutes over him at the point. Not after Bled’s production and the way Foye has jacked up shots without conscience when he was healthy.

Will he have bad games? Yes. He’s 20 yrs. old. John Wall will have horrible games too this season. But now that we know he CAN have these kinds of games, he should be given every opportunity to work out the kinks and learn on the job.

by madglove on Nov 4, 2010 3:58 PM PDT reply actions  

I agree

And theres’ another point to be made here. On Kentucky, he had to play shooting guard. He did not get the opportunity to play PG. Similar to Russell Westbrook his first year with the Bruins.

Which is why he was such a good draft pick – he was undervalued because he didn’t really get a chance to shine. The FO appears to have done a good job recognizing that.

Yes, he will be inconsistent, but yesterday’s game certainly showed what he is capable of and what the FO already determined he is capable of.

Imagine where we’d be without him on the roster.

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
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by Jax on Nov 4, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Imagine where we’d be without him on the roster."

Last place in the Pacific?

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Nov 4, 2010 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're not really that cynical

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Nov 4, 2010 5:43 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

That's true, I'm not

but I thought it would be funny to say it anyway.

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Nov 5, 2010 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Was funny

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Nov 5, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think Preseason...

… allows players to mesh and figure out own team mates tendencies, nuances, and style without regard of outcome of the game. Take New Orleans. With out pre season, the team probably wouldn’t have recognized Bellinelli is a better fit than Marcus Thornton. They were 1-8. Sure record doesn’t mean anything but I wouldn’t be so quick to say that it means nothing.

On the other hand, I agree with you about summer league. It is an entire different monster. The idea of team play goes out the window when you have players trying to out do opponents along with their own team mates all for a contract. Summer League is basically shows who Can’t play, not who CAN play.

by Akram47 on Nov 4, 2010 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

He can't play 20-25 minutes

if Baron is playing. He’ll have to take whatever minutes Baron doesn’t play (which should be 15-18 min).

Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.

by ClipperChuck on Nov 5, 2010 1:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

depends on the team they are playing. if they play a relatively small team, he could play with baron for some minutes too, if EG is in foul trouble, etcc…

say we are playing the cavs and they roll out mo willaims + sessions, or the magic with jameer nelson when reddick is playing. or the warriors. or dalls when jason terry is in..

i mean he seems like a decent shooter, and played shooting guard in college, and you’d figure baron could guard the bigger of the other teams 2 guards..

by hans007 on Nov 5, 2010 2:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

He could, but I don't think he should

The Clippers need Gordon to play a lot of minutes, and that leaves both Foye and Butler fighing for backup minutes at the 2. IMO playing Bledsoe limited but consistent minutes as a backup PG is the best course of action. He needs to focus on becoming a PG rather than shifting back and forth between PG and combo guard. And it’s way too early to relegate Foye to the end of the bench just as it would have been wrong to give up on Butler after his even colder start to the season last year.

by ClipCat on Nov 5, 2010 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Baron doesn't always have to play the 1

And we saw that in pre-season a little bit. Bled can come in and shift Baron to the 2 for a bit.

There are 96 minutes at the 1-2 slots. You give Baron 30 (10ish min at the 2), Gordon 35, Bled 20-25 and the rest to Butler or Foye.

by madglove on Nov 5, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Can Baron become a pass-first shooting guard?

Because I wouldn’t want to encourage more long range chucking.

by ClipCat on Nov 5, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kaman and DJ look to have a more even time split nowadays

I wouldn’t call it crazy

Blake Griffin is coming, hide your MBengas

by bacek on Nov 5, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the post, on an obviously the hot topic. It's good that we have some games here to take a further look.

If Bled keeps this sort of play up, then yeah, he should be the 2nd string pg. That’s still a sizable IF, but it’s looking likely at the moment. Somebody else then will have to feel the squeeze… Foye, Butler, Aminu, and Smith will be jammed into three backup slots. Maybe there will be enough minor injuries, but if not, I’m weary that Aminu’s time will be limited. It may get to be a tough call at some point, whether to play the vets more because they’re known quantities, or to play the rookie more because the future beckons.

"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT

by SilverClip on Nov 4, 2010 4:05 PM PDT reply actions  

If Aminu earns his playing time (like Bledsoe is) he will get more reps.

I see no reason to hand him much playing time at the moment.

by Michael White on Nov 4, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

At the moment, Aminu's minutes are about right.

He’ll have a break out game at some point, though, and then people will be talking him up like they’re doing now with Bledsoe. It’s likely that both will really deserve the praise, too. But it will still be a tricky coaching decision, as rookies tend to be sporadic. Madglove is already promoting Bledsoe (above), but I suspect that VDN will be playing it more conservatively. Just how long Vinnie waits will be interesting to watch. It’ll likely show whether Vinnie leans towards Club O or Club D.

"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT

by SilverClip on Nov 4, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with Michael White.

Especially with Gomes playing like how he played vs OKC.

by Akram47 on Nov 4, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting set of dominos

It’s looking like both Baron and Foye will not make the road trip. That’s just a fascinating turn of events, I think.

Great write up by SP on Bledsoe. I have to say that my first impression, which was seeing him go against John Wall in the first game of summer league, was a strong one. He looked athletic and fast, and he seemed to have an NBA body, and he was a basketball player. It was a very different vibe from the one that Aminu projected. So my sense was that he would contribute much sooner than Aminu, for one thing.

But nobody expected things to get to this point so quickly, or for him to play so well: and play well over a three game stretch, rising from futility to getting at least one nice win.

But now we’re going to get to see the Eric Squared show on a meaty road trip, with some extremely difficult and yet intriguing opponents.

Needless to say, Eric Squared are wearing sharp suits and standing at the doors of Club O at this point, holding the keys in hand, with Blake Griffin and the still somnolent Chris Kaman beside them. Club D is in full swing, but we still have a ways to go to leave the bad taste of early abject futility behind.

And then yeah, what happens if Bledsoe and Gordon continue their strong play and the Clippers manage to find a win somewhere on this trip. What if they’re gelling? Big if, especially considering the cities on the list. But all I can think at this point is that BD and Foye will have to be healthy, sharp and energetic to hold onto minutes. Is it just me, or does anybody else sense a little SP reverse mojo in his comments on Baron Davis?

What I want to see is what a healthy Baron, something of a frontrunner as Bill Simmons pointed out, can do with a good, energetic, scrappy team.

by citizen zhiv on Nov 4, 2010 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Spooky... reverse mojo lurks in the shadows.

Ideally, for me, the BeeGees will continue to impress and combine for a couple of upsets, helping to set a clear identity for the team. Then Baron will have to adjust to them, which is something he needs to do anyway, both for the team and for his future. Foye can switch over to the 2, and with order thus established, Baron will get his shot at a good, scrappy team.

In the best of worlds, Club O and Club D will each have happy members. Bledsoe currently carries the torch.

"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT

by SilverClip on Nov 4, 2010 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Uh... there's five slots...

With six players competing for those slots (Jordan, Smith, Aminu, Butler, Foye, and Bledsoe). Jordan and Smith are bigs, period. The other guys can move around a bit. And someone will ALWAYS be injured… and someone else will ALWAYS be ineffective. Bledsoe’s good play is not a problem… it’s a solution.

by John Raffo on Nov 4, 2010 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

NO! Bledsoe will kill us all!

Ha ha… I didn’t mean to create a problem where there was none.

You’re probably right about the injury thing, too. I’m just talking out loud, pondering Development vs veteran consistency… something that VDN may eventually have to confront. But maybe my head’s just in the clouds.

A subtext in all our excitement about Bledsoe is that Foye hasn’t convinced anyone that he’s the guy to play point. So Bledsoe seems like the solution. The reality, though, is that they’re both probably flawed. Bled probably isn’t as good yet as we want to believe, and frankly Foye isn’t as bad. The brute fact may turn out to be that Foye is currently the lesser evil, if winning is our top priority. Is winning VDN’s top priority? It isn’t mine.

"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT

by SilverClip on Nov 4, 2010 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

We're five games in...

…and you think we should be in full developmental mode? Just develop the young guys and lay low for another shot at the lottery?
Not sure, SC, but isn’t this revisionist thinking on your part? I know you were on the fence about a trade for Carmelo, but those who weren’t were touting an all-for-nothing, “I want to win” theme. Now there’s this new “Club D” movement that’s proselytizing a “let’s play the kids” dynamic. My own thinking is, let’s see what we’ve got… the OKC game was a bright flash of hope for all of us… and it wasn’t just Eric Bledsoe… EJ played well, DJ looked like he might belong in the NBA, perhaps most importantly Ryan Gomes played very well at both ends and looked like a leader (along with Gordon). It was a lucky accident but for the first time this year, the team looked organized on defense! (Bledsoe was a focused and effective defender. Who knew!)
Kaman will come around and we’re all rightfully high on Blake Griffin. Winning might not be a top priority to you or to the Clipper organization… but learning to win should be. Learning to not lose focus in the third quarter and believe in your ability to turn out the lights in the fourth are another part of “development”.
In my opinion the reason it’s taking Eric Gordon a while to blossom (offensively) is because he (and we) expected too much. He didn’t have reliable veteran scorers on the floor to share some of the load last year (wherein, he did the year before in Zach Randolph).
Clips can win and develop youth at the same time. Winning, especially for the Clippers (and their miserable cultural history) is important. Don’t downgrade it.

by John Raffo on Nov 5, 2010 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good point

However, it won’t be easy to win now without BD. We were assuming he was healthy.

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
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by Jax on Nov 5, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

This

I’m in club, “I want to watch the Clippers win basketball games”

by Michael White on Nov 5, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Shades of grey

We may not be in complete agreement, but whatever differences we have are pretty subtle. I really like this “Learning to win” phrase of yours. Down below, I too say things like “earning their minutes” and “being ready to play.” So clearly, I’m not a Club D purist. If I were in full fledged developmental mode, I wouldn’t be expressing any reservations about promoting Bledsoe. Granted, I’m rearing to give him a go, but hold on hold on, we should check him out a little more first.

Our main difference may lie in how we would time these imminent promotions. I may be willing to absorb of few more losses in this process of learning how to win. I imagine that you’re OK with dropping a couple games as well, but still I might choose to get the process started a little earlier. So your season record would be a little better than mine, while I’d give the rookies more total minutes… but I don’t think our differences would be particularly noteworthy.

I’d love to win and develop at the same time. But if Foye over Bledsoe means winning just 4 more games (as opposed to 8 or 12), then I think we should sacrifice our win %.

"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT

by SilverClip on Nov 5, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

That Mike Taylor game was great

There was a 4 minute stretch where the Knicks and Clippers (basically Randolph and Taylor) were just running down the floor, shooting whatever they felt like, and making it. Mike Taylor hit all his free throws and was shooting probably the best he ever would in his life. He even out-rebounded Randoph in that game. Game goes to overtime thanks to Z-bo making 2 free throws after the idiot Al Harrington hung on the rim AGAIN!

by Michael White on Nov 4, 2010 4:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Speaking of the MT Knicks game

Steve’s reference to that isn’t really applicable in this case. Your PG scoring a ton of points really isn’t the best thing unless he’s an elite scorer. Unless he’s going to be Allen Iverson out there, you don’t want your PG shooting a ton.

That was MT’s problem. He was a SG in a small PG’s body. That’s why he couldn’t make it in this league. The kid needed to be a PLAYMAKER…which he just didn’t have in him.

Bled on the other hand showed more playmaking abilities than even I gave him credit for. In addition to the very sweet lob that Steve referenced, there were two other plays that were incredible PG plays:

- The play where he pushed the ball to the left, sucking in 3 defenders and whipped the pass cross-court to a side open Gomes. A play that displayed not only court vision, but creativity and a high basketball IQ. He saw where his teammate was positioned and instead of the conventional drive and kick, created a play that left Gomes WIDE OPEN. All this while going full speed.

- The play where he did a ultra fast reverse pull in traffic, and in the same motion dropped a bounce pass to Kaman inside which Kaman never saw. Yes it was a turnover, and yes Bled was too close to Kaman for a pass with that speed, but it was a play that few players can even see, let alone make. A competent big with better hands catches that pass and finds himself wide open behind the defense. That Bled even saw that play at this point in his career was impressive. In 3 yrs. he’ll know the difference between making that play when Griffin is down there vs. practicing restraint when a guy like Kaman is there instead. But again, few can even see that that option is available to them in that setting.

by madglove on Nov 4, 2010 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

To your point, in that game which saw the Clippers score 140 points and Mike Taylor played 36 minutes, he only had 3 assists. EJ had 4.

by Michael White on Nov 4, 2010 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

good point

And that’s where I think Baron is still valuable. Baron has this kind of “BBall empathy.” He knows other players and teammates very well and can read people. Thus, his ability to make anyone look great (especially Kaman) is being overlooked. Also, I’m not saying this to put down Bledsoe. Its the opposite. I think he can learn a lot from Baron, and I think it would benefit the team to relegate foye to 3rd string as long as Bledsoe is killin it.

by indy818 on Nov 4, 2010 4:38 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

True

Baron never makes that difficult pass because he already knows Kaman will drop it. It’s nice to have a PG that knows when not to push the envelope, but it’s nice to have another PG on the bench that is willing to try new things.

"All I wanna do is zoom-a-zoom-zoom-zoom and a-boom-boom."
-Wreckx-n-Effect

by Erik O on Nov 5, 2010 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

what about the two plays were he set up BG?

Those are plays that he made look easy

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by Jax on Nov 4, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1 on the Kaman play

I was surprised to here Milph getting on his case after that play. I’ts only one game but my guess is that he is legit . At the very least he will push Baron.

by 69knicks on Nov 4, 2010 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

That pass!

I totally remember that pass! At the time, we all chalked it up to a bad pass by Bledsoe, but I was watching a replay of it and it was clearly supposed to be a pass, not some out of control spin move. The pass was maybe half a foot too low, if even, but it was certainly catchable by someone with quicker and more sure hands. I’d be willing to bet that Griffin would catch that pass.

"All I wanna do is zoom-a-zoom-zoom-zoom and a-boom-boom."
-Wreckx-n-Effect

by Erik O on Nov 5, 2010 12:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

This feels familiar.

Didn’t we have very similar conversations three years ago when Cuttino Mobley was the starter and Eric Gordon was the unproven rookie who had to step in (also due to injury, I think) and he seemed very promising right out of the gate?

If memory serves, the general consensus after the first few games was that in spite of Gordon’s promise, it was only a few games and of course Cat was still the starter…

And yet not that much later in that season, the final verdict was exactly the opposite.

Even without Baron’s bum knee (and back), is he still capable of pushing the tempo and driving relentlessly to the basket? Because that is the type of PG that this team and system require…

"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein

by Another son of Mike Smith on Nov 4, 2010 4:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Seeing Bledsoe at the speed he was going...

I honestly couldn’t really imagine Baron ever moving at that speed again. It was controlled chaos, and it was beautiful. Baron spent so much time yearning for a fast-paced offense, but maybe in the years that he waited for this offense to finally come his way, he lost the ability to actually run the offense?

"All I wanna do is zoom-a-zoom-zoom-zoom and a-boom-boom."
-Wreckx-n-Effect

by Erik O on Nov 5, 2010 12:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

i watched most of the “we believe warriors” since i live inthe bay, and he didnt even move that fast then.

maybe monta ellis is int hat speed category. but baron… i dont think has ever moved that fast.

by hans007 on Nov 5, 2010 2:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Baron hasn't been a quick PG since college

the reason he likes to play in transition is because is because he can take advantage of his strength and size against the usually smaller PG he is matched up against.

"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown

by bestclipfan on Nov 5, 2010 6:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great post Steve

I’d LIKE to think that VDN had more than a hunch that BD was coming into camp in poor shape and that maybe one of his prime goals was to get Bledsoe some really good one on one with Robert Pack in the hopes that once he gave Baron an opportunity and BD didn’t show up, he would have Eric waiting for his crack at the job.

Makes me curious if in the practice scrimmages if it’s Eric Squared versus Baron and Randy when they were well of course… And if that’s the case, if he saw chemistry there already?

by ClipperAlex on Nov 4, 2010 4:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Baron...

I don’t think Baron is “doggin’ it”, I believe that he is actually hurt, but it seems like people are saying that this injury is directly related to him coming into camp out of shape. So if that’s the case, then I’m done with Baron. He pulled that BS in his first season, and now he pulls it again this season, when it’s supposed to be this brand new culture (new coach, new uniforms, new court, etc).

At this point, for me, it’s more exciting to watch the young guys play hard, and try to improve, rather than watch Baron try to play through out-of-shape injuries.

"look, you can find any coach you want, bring him in here and run the situation. But I don't think they are going to do as good a job as I do." -Mike Dunleavy Sr.

by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Nov 4, 2010 4:54 PM PDT reply actions  

Bledsoe should start

The fact is that Bledsoe ran the offense better that BD does. BD is SLOW and can’t get the young guns running for easy baskets. Last night Bledsoe and the Clippers outran OKC, which is tough to do. If the Clippers are going to win, they have to run, and BD is too fat and disinterested to run. Both Bledsoe and Gordon are both better point guards than BD at this point.
Davis was terrible last year, and terrible this year, so far, too. It’s not a slump. Clipper fan’s need to recognize that BD should be a veteran mentor/backup to Bledsoe at this point.

by Matthew C on Nov 4, 2010 5:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Question, Steve
When the guard corps is at full strength… I hope to see Bledsoe getting 15 to 18 minutes at the point per night, with Foye moving over to limited shooting guard duty.

This sounds like you’re convinced, that Bledsoe deserves the promotion. We were all impressed by his play last night, but are you perhaps being a little quick here? It is just one game, like you say, and back up point guard is an important responsibility. I might have just suggested watching him for a few more outings first. But then again, he sure did look good, didn’t he? :-)!!!

So I’m wondering if you’re really ready to endorse this. And to what extent is Foye’s ho-hum play a part of this?

"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT

by SilverClip on Nov 4, 2010 5:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Are you abandoning your own club already?
We were all impressed by his play last night, but are you perhaps being a little quick here? It is just one game, like you say, and back up point guard is an important responsibility. I might have just suggested watching him for a few more outings first.

Those don’t sound like the words of a Club D’er to me. And neither does “Aminu’s minutes are about right,” given that he only played 9 last night. Don’t let the dramatic move from 0-4 to 1-4 cloud your thinking, Mr. Club D President. Both of those guys need 20-25 minutes a night whether it results in a few more L’s or not.

Proudly enduring the pain since the days of Bill Walton's foot.

by boltsfan21 on Nov 4, 2010 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL. I'm slipping into some (dark) shades of grey.

I’m really just trying to draw SP out here. But I probably am a little busted here… I am not as pure a Club D’er as they come. I do think, for instance, that the rookies should have to work hard before they earn their minutes. Would you still want to give Bledsoe floor time if he were playing like he did in SL?

Nevertheless, my bar is pretty low here, lower than VDN’s I suspect. I’m happy to endure a significant amount of erratic play, and the extra losses, as long as there’s some clear promise. On the other hand, we don’t want to go switching lineups left and right. If Baron and Foye were coming back tomorrow, I’d be in a bit of a quandary. Happily, we get a little more time to confirm what we think we saw last night.

The question of when to promote the rookies is rather tricky. Play them, yes, but for 25 minutes right away? I see the matter of ideological purity has already arisen. :-)

"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT

by SilverClip on Nov 4, 2010 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

The sentence begins "I hope..."

Implicit in that hope is that he justifies moving ahead of Foye on the PG depth chart with continued strong play.

10-11 is not the Clippers year. Period. As Ricky Bobby might say, if you’re not first you’re last. You either win a championship, or you are building towards winning a championship. Those are options 1 and 1a in the NBA. Bledsoe playing minutes at the point this season does more for the Clippers in building towards winning a championship. This is all basic Club D stuff. It’s in the by-laws. YOU SHOULD KNOW THIS SILVERCLIP!

But yeah, he has to continue to play well, to prove this isn’t just an outlier performance. Frankly, I’d take his San Antonio performance.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Nov 4, 2010 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't know that I can go back to the Spurs after the Thunderdome

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Nov 4, 2010 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah yes, the by-laws. Damn those things.

There’s a clause 22 in there that says I occasionally get to put on a different hat and split hairs for little or no reason. (I believe you could eliminate that clause if you could prove I was insane, but then we’d have to commit you as well for reading my post in the first place. It’s a hell of a clause).

So yes, Club D is in full of support of option 1a. It’s a new day and I have my head back on straight. Can’t wait to see the BeeGees again tonight!

"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT

by SilverClip on Nov 5, 2010 6:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think I can fully support the Ricky Bobby strategy...

Call it “Club All or Nothing”. The Clippers have to learn to win. That’s a true bylaw of Club D. You don’t play young guys just because they’re young… they have to earn playing time and then you put them in positions where they can succeed… and their success makes them better.

by John Raffo on Nov 5, 2010 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

I basically agree here.

This is what boltsfan and I were sparring about above. Of course, the question is, at what point is their chance to succeed great enough? It’s basically a line in the sand somewhere. This is where the moderate and radical D’ers may part ways. I’m with you that we shouldn’t just throw the rookies to the wolves, that they need to be more or less ready for playing time.

"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT

by SilverClip on Nov 5, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Throw them to the Wolves

They can beat Minnesota. It’s the rest of the league I’m worried about.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Nov 5, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

How about "Lay them out before Kings"?

"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT

by SilverClip on Nov 5, 2010 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bledsoe has impressed the last 3 games

I think we can all remember back to Sunday when Bledsoe came in and put together an exciting 16 minutes. He had 4 turnovers against 2 assists, but it was still a good intro.

Drawing the start the next day on Monday, most of us had concerns Bledsoe would be overwhelmed against the Spurs and the game could easily spiral out of control. Instead, he went through the game not seeming out of place at all, but with EJ taking over most of the PG duties. His overall defense was suspect, but he did display how he can impact the game by making plays (4 steals, 2 blocks), with a non-disastrous 3 assists v. 3 turns with 9 points, 5 rebounds.

Clearly, no one could have expected him to perform like he did yesterday. But even after just a 3 game, 94 minute sample, I think we can assume Bledsoe does a few things better than BD. He can shoot better, and has better shot selection. He’s quicker, and more athletic. As a result, he can and get out in transition and has a higher defensive ceiling. He appears to work MUCH better with Eric Gordon.

The road trip will tell a lot, but it’s an interesting situation for the time being. If Bledsoe continues to emerge and BD can make it back to being his productive self, we’ll have a nice 3 guard rotation. Meaning very little court time for Randy Foye and less time for Rasual Butler. BD will be given a chance to start and reclaim his role, and will probably have every opportunity to stick there for the rest of the season. But I don’t think we need to be very concerned that Vinny wont do what’s right.

by ghost_ride on Nov 4, 2010 5:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Sorry Steve,

but you’re wrong… Baron DOESN’T care. He’s exactly the type of guy who shows up for a couple of preseason games and disappears when the games matter.

It’s time to face facts: Baron Davis is more than happy to drag out these nonsense injuries and collect his fat paychecks, BARELY showing any effort in the games that he does decide to grace us with his presence.

I’m not one to get overly giddy after one good game, but I would honestly start Bledsoe over Davis… he works, he cares… the youth movement is here, so let’s get the Griffin era going with guys who actually want to put forth the effort that it takes to win basketball games.

by clipped on Nov 4, 2010 6:51 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm not sure if Baron doesn't care or he just sucks.

It’s almost as if we gave Andre Miller a long-term contract. Remember his one bad and only year? Yeah, with the Clippers, of course.

I've got nothing.

by bc56274 on Nov 4, 2010 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Compare Griffin’s mannerisms and Davis’s mannerisms during a game. Watch EVERYTHING but actual basketball production… facial expressions, hustle, cheering on teammates, how disappointed they look after a loss/bad play… Baron Davis does not care about winning basketball games.

by clipped on Nov 4, 2010 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ebled Ebled Ebled Ebled Ebled!

Its time to let the young horses run with the best and not look back. Failure cannot be
tolerated anymore.
From Revelation 6.7
 AS I LOOKED AND BEHOLD RIDING A PALE HORSE ITS RIDER NAME WAS EBLED
AND THE BEAST WAS FOLLOWING CLOSE BEHIND HIM. THEY WERE GIVEN POWER
OVER 3 THIRDS OF ALL NBA ARENAS TO CHANGE THE WAY OF THE FALLEN ONES
AND STOP THE FAMINE THAT IS CULTURE OF THE LOSING WAYS OF THE NATION.

by ENCUEROMAN on Nov 4, 2010 6:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Is that the King James Version?

Mine doesn’t say that.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Nov 4, 2010 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

LeBron has his own version of the Bible?

Why am I not surprised?

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Nov 5, 2010 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

3 thirds… hahaha… i love it

"All I wanna do is zoom-a-zoom-zoom-zoom and a-boom-boom."
-Wreckx-n-Effect

by Erik O on Nov 5, 2010 1:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Davis is collecting paychecks. I don’t think he really cares about winning. He has other interest outside of basketball that seem more important to him right now. He has the same expression whether they win or lose..it’s just another game. The young guys play hard and really take the loses hard. You can see it especially on Griffin. The chemistry seems a whole lot better without Davis. I liked how they moved the ball around in the last game.

by tenkaistar on Nov 4, 2010 7:39 PM PDT reply actions  

our starting line up has "BG Square"

B lake G riffin*( B ledsoe+ G ordon)

Roger Sterling: To my knees, Don. They're bringing to my knees!"

by Lawler's Law on Nov 4, 2010 7:44 PM PDT reply actions  

The BeeGees!

"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT

by SilverClip on Nov 4, 2010 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great post..

So I guess we just found our back up PG. Its good to see a good PG playing behind Baron, something that we have never had in the B.Davis era.

Blake Griffin: "There's been much more fuel added to my fire... things change when something is taken away from you."

by clippers101 on Nov 4, 2010 8:00 PM PDT reply actions  

baron

for the 2 previous years baron has dogged it…this year he comes in fat & we are expected to want “boom tubby” to play…i for one wish he was gone…last year was the same thing…the team would lose a few games and he would sit..its his knee..its his back, blah, blah….baron is an excuse waiting to happen…cant play for byron scott…then its dunleavy’s fault…this year its because he didnt realize he was 31 years old…as peter vecsey wrote “baron came into camp in the best shape of his documentary career.”…baron isnt committed and i for one dont want to see bledsoe’s career stunted because of baron davis.

by dellago on Nov 4, 2010 8:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Bledsoe should be playing point every second Baron is off the floor

Randy is just terrible at running the offense, at least from what we’ve seen so far. He looks to create for himself, not others. He’s looking for points, not assists. If Bledsoe is having an off night than hand the ball over to EJ. Just keep Randy on the bench or at the SG position. Clearly he’d much rather be shooting than running a team.

by dulciusXasperis on Nov 4, 2010 8:49 PM PDT reply actions  

at least from what we’ve seen so far

We haven’t seen very much so far. Isn’t that the problem with making snap judgements after five games? At this point last year, some concluded that Butler was a bust who couldn’t shoot and didn’t belong in the NBA. Later we realized he just started the season off cold.

Foye’s abilities are much better judged from what he’s done over the course of his career, and we should hope he provides the team with the depth they hoped for when they signed him. The optimist in me is glad we have multiple options behind Baron and Gordon so the team can weather injuries better than in the past and play the hot hand when everyone is healthy.

by ClipCat on Nov 5, 2010 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

He was a gift from the Basketball Gods (and the Thunder)

E. Bledsoe played awesome! Loved his floatters!!! I am still a bit scared of having him run the offense this few couple of games (regardless of my dispite for B. Davis)! I feel more comfortable with him and E. Gordon both running the point! Once B. Davis comes back he should start but his minutes should be like really limitted, giving E. Bledsoe more minutes than B. Davis (in order to motivate him!).

I would also like to see B. Davis playing SG for a few, so he can freaking get his shot or realize he doesn’t really have a good one so he can limit his shots (I am also looking at you R. Foye!)

by Jayq on Nov 4, 2010 9:36 PM PDT reply actions  

great post SP. kind of echoed what i thought about him too. let’s ease up on the expectations and see how he does while baron is out.

by zac4president on Nov 4, 2010 9:43 PM PDT reply actions  

If anything...

…seeing the hustle in Youngblood makes me convinced that the Clips’ team depth is better than many of us thought, barring the usual suspects. Unless he suffers a Griffin level injury, when Baron comes back he’ll be starting. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional and should read the Adande article. However, I could see Youngblood as primary backup, and we can have Foye switch off between the 1 and 2 depending on where he’s needed.

I’m sure The Chief will get his break out game as well as DJ I hope. In fact, DJ has been surprising me with noticeable signs of improvement. He’s getting smarter.

In another positive prediction, I can see Kaman hitting 30 points this season, despite his sub par playing. You don’t lose what you already have when it comes to that stuff, especially if you had it during the preseason. He just needs to get over his slump and figure out how best to play with Griffin.

by Chris McD on Nov 4, 2010 9:52 PM PDT reply actions  

Funny how one win scatters the naysayers like rats

shows their true colors

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Nov 4, 2010 9:59 PM PDT reply actions  

Why are you so concerned about our opinions

Some of us have been out of town this week and haven’t had a chance to watch the replay. Last I checked the team is still a losing team, one win doesn’t erase the 4 embarrassing losses that preceded it.

Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.

by ClipperChuck on Nov 5, 2010 1:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Because fir months you've been

Inundating us with hundreds of posts about how bad the players are, how bad the FO is, how bad the team is, etc.

Now that the team is starting to learn to play together, now that we are seeing them play tough defense, now that the shots are starting to fall, you suddenly have nothing to say.

Gomes for example. He’s played well for the last two games. Out of five.

Bledsoe has played well the last two.

EJ’s shots are starting to fall and he’s rapidly gaining confidence.

The team is trying.

These things are not just measured in wins and losses. You know that. And no, not all the losses were embarrassing. Not the Spurs loss. Not the first game.

I hope you are able to enjoy the team play. Because they are going to be fun to watch. Much more fun than the past few years. They already are. And there’s no reason to think they won’t continue to improve.

We understand why you guys have been silent. But it’s ok. We are all Clipper fans. We are all wrong once in a while.

You’ve repeatedly eviscerated the team for signing Gomes

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Nov 5, 2010 7:02 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I've been a naysayer.

When I saw Bledsoe play in SL and preseason I thought he was clueless and hopeless and I thought Olshey wasted a number one pick.
I might have been wrong.
I hope I was wrong.
I am encouraged.

by John Raffo on Nov 5, 2010 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

You've always been reasonable unlike CC

He’s constantly been telling us all tht the team sucks, the FO sucks, the players suck. Day after day after day. Post after post after post.

Then when anyone questioned him on it, he said that he “just speaks the truth,” “the truth hurts,” etc. Meaning that he’s right and anyone who thought differently was wrong.

He ridiculed anyone who had a diferent more optimistic view of what might happen when they got rid of sub .400 and actually started to act like an NBA team.

For example, constantly he was telling us that Thibodeau was the answer, that VDN sucks, etc.

How’d that Knick thrashing of the Bulls in Chitown last night taste, my man?

So we don’t know what’s going to happen. But we do know that things are starting to look up. There are alot of positive signs. Even if Bledsoe ultimately doesn’t turn out to be who we hope him to be, the pick was reasonable.

More important, things are starting to look up. So it’s not surprising that CC and another who shall remain nameless won’t be so vocal if this trend continues.
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Except to point out that the losses were “embarrassing” when they weren’t.

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Nov 5, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure if the Warriors loss was embarassing... maybe.

It was sure as hell dispiriting.
Yes, CChuck and “he who shall not be named” are charter members of Club Didactic.

by John Raffo on Nov 5, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

It did suck

But this is a young team trying to find itself and learn a new system and each other. losses like that are going to happen. Now, if the Lakers had gotten blown out by the Warriors, that would be “embarrassing.” Because the Lakers have a great team, have been together for a long time, have won two championships in a row, and should be winning those games.

Clippers? Gotta give them some time. Calling the loss embarrassing suggests that your agenda may not be aligned with the Clippers.

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Nov 5, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yawn

One win washes away the other games? The Clips have come out of every game (save the Thunder one) and gotten their hats handed to them.

Bledsoe finally has a game where he has more assists than turnovers, so now he is the next Chris Paul?

I was out of town for the last 4 days so I haven’t been around (I normally live chat from the games if I’m watching). I’ve seen Gomes get torched by every SF he’s guarded during the regular season and pre-season and Durant has a off-shooting night and suddenly Gomes is a lockdown defender? Cook and Foye have still been non-factors right?

The Bulls are 2-2 despite missing their 2nd best player and they beat a very good Portland team as one of their wins. The Knicks game could have easily turned into a ugly blowout but he did get his 2nd unit to get them back into the game so the final score wasn’t as embarrassing as the Clippers losing the first 4 games by essentially double digit (only the Spurs not caring at the end helped the Clippers avoid that fate).

Losing to the Warriors by 23 AFTER the 3rd quarter is embarrassing. Shooting under 40% for the first 4 games is embarrassing. Being happy the Spurs actually had to play Duncan a little in the 4th quarter is embarrassing. And listening to you gloat after one win suggests your connection to reality is tenuous.

Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.

by ClipperChuck on Nov 5, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Amen.

One win and “WE’RE BACK!!!” Nevermind the first 4 blowout losses, and that 4 of the 5 were at home, the one roadie vs a terrible Golden State team. Those didn’t happen.

I frankly don’t have much time to post during the workweek (and didn’t even post after the first 3 losses). But it’s childish and petty to say where some people are after gloating over a win.

By the way, Chuck, you told me to stop responding to this Jack. I took your advice – now I suggest you follow your own own and don’t waste your time.

by RAR on Nov 5, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

True

but this guy is so bizarre he goes out of his way to find out where we are.

But yes, I’ll go back to ignoring him and continue letting him choke on his own drivel.

Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.

by ClipperChuck on Nov 5, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Look at you - please don't respond - please

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Nov 5, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who was gloating?

I’m not sold on the new Clips or the front office but I didn’t see any gloating in Jax’ post.

by John Raffo on Nov 5, 2010 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Who’s gloating?

Just pointing out that the negativity from these guys is unfounded.

Btw I’m not sold on the FO either, I just have been preaching patience. However, when good things happen, they are nowhere to be found.

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Nov 5, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Paranoid much?

I’m around for the good and the bad. Its not my fault its been the former more often than not.

Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.

by ClipperChuck on Nov 5, 2010 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

You serious?

This entire subthread is because of Jax’s insecurity.

Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.

by ClipperChuck on Nov 5, 2010 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yah my insecurity

Part of your problem is that you don’t listen

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Nov 5, 2010 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Blowout losses?"

The first game definitely wasn’t a blowout, and I was there. Steve and many others who read this blog were there too.

by Chris McD on Nov 5, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pay him no mind - he obviously hates the Clippers

There are a few very vocal posters here who try to shout everyone else down with their views, which I view as incorrect. This is just one of them. He’s got nothing.

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Nov 5, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Come on guys let's just keep Club O going.

You to Chucky we need all the positive waves possible. Look i’m
with you i didn’t like any of the free agents we sign but that’s who
we have and as real clippers fans we just hope that it works out.
Right now we will take any exciting basketball they can offer us.
As one of the citizens point out i rather lose with fast and exciting
basketball than slow and boring basketball. Stay positive my
friends.

by ENCUEROMAN on Nov 5, 2010 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right on. Good post, EM.

"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT

by SilverClip on Nov 5, 2010 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

You really don't know very much about the game

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Nov 5, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cool

love the analysis. Some of your finest work.

Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.

by ClipperChuck on Nov 5, 2010 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not that difficult - look at the subject

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Nov 5, 2010 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

We can lose boringly with Baron Davis OR we can lose with fun and excitement with Eric Bledsoe running the show.

by wilriv21 on Nov 4, 2010 10:56 PM PDT reply actions  

If Ebled and Aminu continues to develop as quick as they are

The Clipper bench instantly turns deep.

Baron/EB
EJ/Sool/Foye
Gomes/Aminu/Sool
Blake/Rhino/Cook
Kaman/DJ

by Newton Pham on Nov 4, 2010 10:57 PM PDT reply actions  

after one good game

all of you have a crush on Eric Bledsoe.

by RonHarper4 on Nov 4, 2010 10:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Yup

Why not? He’s dreamy.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Nov 4, 2010 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's only a matter of time

before Milph starts gushing over his arms, making weird comments about his biceps when they have nothing else to say. He can be the new Maggette.

"All I wanna do is zoom-a-zoom-zoom-zoom and a-boom-boom."
-Wreckx-n-Effect

by Erik O on Nov 5, 2010 1:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hah!! Milph has already started on that, "He has an NBA body" stuff...

I keep looking at him and thinking, yeah but he’s short isn’t he? Bledsoe and EJ are a pair though. Mini-brutes. Either of them could be in the NFL.

by John Raffo on Nov 5, 2010 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

True

I was wondering what they feed these kids. Even Aminu isn’t that thin. EJ looks like a linebacker in the NFL, Bledsoe can pass as a safety. Blake is a beast and DJ is a big kid. Remember how thin guys like Kobe, McGrady and KG were coming into the league?

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by ClipperChuck on Nov 5, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

You could pick out some pretty good all-skinny and all-muscle teams...

Durant and Prince come to mind on the skinny side. They look frail and then you realize, they’re not, they’re awesome. Maggette would make a specimen tight end… and let’s not forget LeBron… he looks like a six-two guy just blown out to six-nine… really like he’s from a different planet or something. Griffin has that quality too.

by John Raffo on Nov 5, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

it's truly UNREAL

how we appear to be exact opposite of what we were in preseason. I thought it was just DJ who looked miles better than anything he did in summer league, but then it was kaman who turned a complete 180 degrees, and EJ didn’t look too sharp coming out of the gates either, then it was Baron, and now it’s looking like bledsoe and aminu and proving they can contribute. So far the only real guy who I have confidence in putting up some consistency is Griffin, although he can still stand to put up some more double-doubles.

by osamu on Nov 5, 2010 12:36 AM PDT reply actions  

Lot of switcheroos

Don’t forget Gomes, who suddenly looks competent, and Cook, who’s suddenly disappeared. I was looking for Foye to have one himself before he got injured; he was starting to look a little more comfortable. Aminu made a quantum leap in the preseason, but he still has a few more left to make. The most staggering ones so far are DJ, Kaman and Bledsoe. Talk about a lot of moving parts.

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by SilverClip on Nov 5, 2010 6:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

DJ?

Sorry but I don’t really see much difference in DJ… He’s about the same as last year. Crazy athletic and great for highlight reel dunks, but still doesn’t play D and hasn’t developed any kind of offensive moves. I was hoping to see some improvements.

by zac4president on Nov 5, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Really?

DJ has been much better. All the energy, almost none of the mistakes.

Not that PER is a be all end all metric, but it does attempt to measure overall productivity, and even if it may not be great for comparing player A to player B, you can use it to compare player A to himself. Jordan’s PER last year – 12.7. This year – 19.2.

Now, that’s only over the course of 82 minutes, so obviously it’s not a particularly relevant sample size. But it’s all we’ve got, and he’s not “about the same.” He’s much, much better so far.

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by Steve Perrin on Nov 5, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

He’s scoring better. That’s driving the PER. He’s basically making everything he takes which is great. He’s also not fouling a ton which is a huge improvement.

His FT shooting is the same and his rebounding rate has actually gotten worse which is probably what zac is talking about. He’s looked a bit lazing boxing out.

No question he’s improved though.

by Michael White on Nov 5, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

One big difference is that he's not fouling out of the game over a commercial break

But he also looks more wily out there. He put up some atrocious shots towards the end of the OKC game, but I still didn’t get that usual, uncomfortable feeling that he was about to trip over his shorts. It no longer looks like he’s surprise to be out there. Maybe our boy is growing up.

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by SilverClip on Nov 5, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

hum i’ve watched 4 games so far… from the short time he was on the court energy has never been DJ’s problem. he just doesn’t seem to know the right place to be… boxing out, switching on defense etc. i recall a few instances where the other team had easy points because of his failure on defensive switches.

guys like DJ should have high shooting percentage since he pretty much only dunks. but i was hoping he had developed a bit more arsenal than just dunks over the off season. his rebounding is down but it’s still early so we will see about that.

maybe my expectation is too high for him but i wanted him to improve on his moves around the basket, defense and free throws.

by zac4president on Nov 5, 2010 4:12 PM PDT reply actions  

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