Loss #23: Oh well. Utah disrupts Clipper momentum
Kind of frustrating. A bad third quarter, which we've seen too many times before and might have hoped was a thing of the past, along with a failure to defend the home floor. This was an important test for the Clippers, as they were in a position to maintain their momentum and play well against a good team, one which is a bit of a nemesis. I only say "a bit" because of the fact that there are a whole bunch of teams that bedevil the Clippers. I guess until you break through, you don't break through.
It's hard to focus on silver linings coming off a nice skein of victories. The Clippers played well in the first half, although there were a number of qualifiers to that statement, which set the stage the poor second half and the defeat. I'll try to get into some Likes and Dislikes of my own, but I'm curious to get the National input, and where things might be going. The Clips have a break coming up, and you might want to suggest some topics for discussion over the next couple of days before SP gets back.
So yeah, apologies again for not putting up any sort of mediocre recap or thoughts after the game. Heading up to sleep, this time mildly frustrated, as opposed to the contentment of the night before. But it seems like nobody had much to say after the game on the comment thread. Like I said, frustrating. So it turns out that the Clippers won't win 50 games this year.
And there are some notes on frustration below, after the jump.
I don't have as much time as yesterday, or the inclination, to dig deep on this one. We've seen the classic 3rd quarter implosion many times before. The Jazz are a tough team with a great coach, and that coach has instilled a mindset that if they stick to their game and play hard for 48 minutes, they can neutralize a hot team, on the road or at home, it doesn't much matter. We got to see this in action, as the Clippers got off to a very nice start, then lost a little focus, and then lost some more. The next thing you know their shots weren't falling, the lead was gone, and they weren't able to mount a comeback. They didn't quite give up, and they remained an open 3pt. shot away from turning it into a two possession game right up to the end. But it was a drag. Until the Clippers can get a little bit tougher and more focused, and gain more experience and refine their execution, it's going to be the same old same old. But it will be next year, as the Clippers are mercifully done with the Jazz for the season.
The Clips got a great start from, well, just about everybody, from Griffin and Jordan in particular, and then AFA coming off the bench. The AFA first half explosion was tempered, in a very serious way, by the way that he provided a blueprint for Gordon Hayward, showing him they can both play and thrive in the NBA. Hayward got a start and seemed neutral at best in the first half, and then he played some very nice basketball in the second half. Classic Clipper opponent confidence builder. Welcome to the club, Mr. Hayward.
After Bill Plaschke's foul anti-citizen article yesterday (see the FanShot and comments), I'm thinking that we might want to use Indiana and Oklahoma (no, not Hollywood, BP) as short hand at times for the G Force. That, and I'm curious about finding somebody or something to call "Earther," but I digress. And BP put a jinx on EJ yesterday. His hot shooting cooled off. He wasn't getting the same open looks, and his feet weren't set, and Raja Bell played him tough. Oklahoma was stellar once again, with nice numbers, but he was neutralized in the 3rd period debacle.
DeAndre Jordan played a really good game, although he cooled off too.
Damn. Running out of time. I'm going to have to come back to this. So there will be a longer version of this later. I want to get into Mike Smith, and will mention the profanity issue on the game thread. Let's just start by saying that FUSmith, or something along the lines of FElton, should suffice, if one feels so inclined, and it would be nice to keep the chaos to a minimum in SP's absence. I don't know SP's exact policy, but this is a primary Clipper news, info and discussion source, and it might as well be available to little kids who like the team. More later.
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Okay. Picking up again. Good notes in the thread below covering some key issues. Jordan had a hot start, was perfect from the field, and did some impressive shotblocking. But the Clippers were outrebounded, which is on him to a great extent since he only had 5 and Oklahoma had 14. Jefferson is a handful and the Clippers needed more defense than what they got from Jordan, Blake Griffin, and Ike Diogu. Another note below that Diogu didn't step up like he did in the previous game, and we know he can be helpful, but he's not going to be a savior.
Which brings us to Mike Smith. I love Milph and Ralph Lawler is a hall of famer, and Mike Smith does a good job. Are you kidding me? But the thing is, sometimes he sets a problematic emotional tone. His instincts are wacky and off-kilter. Ralph reins him in pretty well, and Smith is just doing his job, and his emotional vagaries just happen to be a weak point in a pretty strong general package, which is the Milphness that brings out all kinds of great stuff from Ralphie Boy.
Here's what he does, and last night was a perfect example. The Clippers get off to a great start, and Oklahoma is making Milph salivate heavily. They're dominant, they double up the Jazz for a moment, Millsap gets a second foul and they bring in Evans. We know that Kirilenko is in streetclothes. At this point Smith declares, more or less, that the Jazz are out of big men and the game is over.
Somehow, and maybe it's the mission or the Mormon thing or the 10 kids or having some big scoring nights in Spain and getting excited, but Ralph is aware, like all of us, that Smith's cockiness and arrogance routinely lead to doom. The Clippers start to turn the ball over. Mehmet Okur appears: I thought a minute ago the Jazz were out of big men. Fasenko comes in and the Jazz start playing a zone. Now, with two 7 footers on the floor and Millsap back as well, the Jazz aren't just big, they're huge. The Clippers go from being dominant frontrunners to big trouble, and in a fight, and that's before the 3rd quarter collapse. As a listener, it almost seems like Smith's hubris has played a metaphysical role in setting the stage for the Clippers evisceration and downfall.
Perhaps FUMS will work as an incantation, an attempt to ward off the evil spirits he so often and readily invites. It's worth a try. The acronym is a good place to start for the basics, and the F U approach can work if he seems to be going out of his way to set up the jinx. I would save the actual profanity for a Daniel Ewing-Raja Bell type moment, if Smith were to say "the Clippers have been great all night, and this game is in the bag." It has its place. But let's save it.
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And another note on VDN and the subbing and rotations. The is part of what is causing Smith problems, and if he would just review the games and think about them a little bit he could temper his enthusiasm and do a better job. He didn't talk about how Rasual Butler was available, for instance, when Gomes and Foye and Bledsoe weren't geting it done. But the main subbing and rotation item, to get to the topic, is how VDN is keeping BD on such a short rotation in the first quarter, and it seems like he has killed momentum and focus by bringing in Bledsoe and limiting BD's minutes. The Clippers doubled up the Suns, the Kings and the Jazz with inspired first quarter play and great passing from BD (maybe they didn't quite double up the Jazz, but it was close I think). Bledsoe can be a great catylist and he needs his minutes to grow and contribute, but he is a tricky element, and VDN needs to try to extend BD's minutes in a tough game like this, especially when things are going well. When they're playing great, let them keep it going, and don't take your foot off the gas. Leaving in the starters for a longer period in the first quarter is actually a way of showing confidence in your bench, because they will probably play more 2nd quarter minutes. And it's not like he's taking BD out early and then having him start the 2nd period. He's using him sparingly, and trying to get something out of Bledsoe and Foye. I get it. But against a team like Utah, with the team doing well with BD at the helm, play it out, give him a shot.
Of course, BD was on the floor for the first part of the 3rd quarter meltdown. Everybody seemed to have a part in that debacle, but BD's minutes were more limited. Milph needs to point out what's happening in the 1st quarter rotation from BD to Bledsoe. VDN's system isn't bad, and it might just be Bledsoe having a bad game or two. It's very clear that BD is a vastly superior passer, and he's gaining momentum at putting Oklahoma, Indiana, and Texas to work. (Can we easily identify every player by state? Figure that one out, fair weather Clip follower BP!) It's not easy to figure out a rotation and be sensitive to the rising and falling of mercurial players. VDN has a tough job and he's doing pretty well, the best he can. He might just lengthen the leash on BD just a little bit, that's all.
Aminu is Georgia, Bledsoe is Alabama, and Kaman is of course Michigan. Butler is Philly or Pennsylvania. Randy Foye is New Jersey and Brian Cook is Illinois. BD and Craig Smith are local. Diogu was born in New York and went to high school in Texas. Who am I missing?
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Clips need healthy bodies
only a 4 man bench last night. not sure you can win too many games against good NBA teams with such limited bench production. hopefully, Kaman’s return is a silver bullet for the 2nd unit, but i have my doubts.
we like to talk playoffs, being only 6 or 7 games back, but this squad as currently constructed is not a playoff team – the teams ahead of us are better squads. i’d be satisfied with a 30+ win season, and for the Clips that’s not a bad consolation prize.
Kaman will help
but also don’t forget about Smith and Cookie
Blake Griffin is coming, hide your MBengas
Likes and Dislikes
Keeping with the CZ theme from a recap a few days ago.
The Good
- Aminu- Great game from the rookie. Hot shooting early from three (which we’ve seen from him before) but he also had some impressive aggressive moves to the basket. He shot 50% from the floor and from 3, made both his free throws and collected 8 boards, a great outing.
- Jordan- Yes, Al Jefferson went crazy and scored 30+ points, but he’s a polished scorer and when he’s hitting his jumper he’ll have games like that. DJ shot 1.000 from the field (which also included some layups— range!), made 4 of his 6 free throws and had 7 blocks.
- Griffin- Sure, he got stifled a bit in the 3rd and he seems to be getting a little carried away looking for the foul every time down the floor (like his buddy Indiana) but he put up 30 and 12 which is still a monster game.
- Baron- Nothing that screams out at you from the box score and it seems clear that Baron is pretty much afraid to take the open 3 unless he absolutely has to, but Baron had 9 points and 9 assists in 29 minutes. Missing 2 out of his 4 free throws was my major gripe.
The Bad
- Eric Gordon- Obvious candidate. Shot simply wasn’t dropping tonight. Was at the game so my vision may not have been great, but the looks seemed good and they just weren’t falling for him. Oh well, games like these (7 for 20 from the field) will happen. 5 assists and 4 rebounds are always nice.
- Randy Foye- Dreadful 8 minutes. Ofer from the field, 1 assist, and an ugly play at the end of the half when he passes to somebody not open when he should have just done something with the ball. Nice block was the highlight.
- Ryan Gomes- A player of no consequence. Took 2 shots, made one of them, one assist and one rebound in 19 minutes of play.
- VDN- Would have liked to see Sual in the game particularly when the Clippers were struggling to score. The Clippers were getting open looks from the short corner, would have liked to see Sual get a few minutes to see if he can get hot. VDN had no answer for the dreadful 3rd quarter which was like a slow moving trainwreck.
Good work
Agree on everything, and a great point about Rasual. VDN has to use all the guys available to him. He needs to be especially attentive to his “placeholder” bench guys, and that includes Gomes and Foye and Butler. If Gomes is coming up empty, as he has for a few games, give Sual a chance. Foye should be an option when Bledsoe looks like he’s not going to make plays, and Sual is there as a backup when Foye seems funky. Just have to use everybody, and find the guys who are playing hard and feeling right. Sual has to be extra motivated right now, wanting to try to find minutes, and Gomes and Foye are opening the door for him. Just one bad game for Foye after a couple of good ones, but Gomes has been struggling for a few in a row now.
by citizen zhiv on Dec 30, 2010 9:57 AM PST up reply actions
excellent analysis
another point: Ike Diogu had an awful game. absolutely got eaten up by the Utah bigs. i mean, i don’t think anyone here had ideas to the contrary, but he is a temporary solution, and he was bound to have a mediocre game.
Good note on Diogu
Yes, sadly, it’s unlikely that Ike Diogu is going to be the great scrap pile savior that Club O dreams about. He’s not going to fool Jerry Sloan and Utah, and it’s upsetting to watch when they have their own 2nd round savior in Millsap, former 3-time NCAA rebounding leader who they picked after Dunleavy chose Davis3. Aaargh. Clips may have their own 2nd round gem in DeAndre, and Oklahoma evens a lot of things out, but it would be nice to be greedy.
Diogu could make a great contribution and play a solid role, and I like the fact that he and Foye are lottery picks, whatever that might be worth. But he’s not going to carry the Clippers to wins on a consistent basis. We’ll get to see a lot of him before Kaman returns, and he needs to stay inside the game, go hard and make some plays, but there won’t be a lot of heroics.
by citizen zhiv on Dec 30, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
Agree on the F Mike Smith comments
There is no need for anyone to keep posting nonsense like that. Flag that idiot and get his posts removed.
It'll be okay
SP will take care of it I’m sure, and he knows how to work it. I just wanted to leave a note, trying to keep things in some sort of control while he’s gone.
More on the Mike Smith issue above, when I get to it.
But thanks, on the agreement.
by citizen zhiv on Dec 30, 2010 9:59 AM PST up reply actions
Yes, we need some clean up in the thread..
show some classes and respect to all.
word.
i’m a non-censorship guy, but i like that Clipsnation is 95% profanity free. how lame am i?
altho i am definitely guilty of dropping an s-bomb in a game thread. the Clippers makes me loco
I wasn’t around for the thread last night, so I’m not exactly sure what you guys are referring to, but some areas that have made me uncomfortable in the past where the “F somebody’s family.”
I also get a bit squeemish with the cheerleading for Sterling to die stuff.
by Michael White on Dec 30, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
lol, sorry for making you squeemish with the "F ur family (insert name/city/farm animal/etc."
It’s meant as a joke and nothing else. The first time I saw it I thought it was hilarious so I’ve used it. It’s a joke. Just like every joke some people laugh and some don’t.
It’s not done every 30 seconds like the “FUMike Smith” dude last night which was only annoying because the dude kept doing it every 20 seconds at least 20 times. It could be construed as spam because it’s the same thing over and over and over again for a long period of time so you have a good argument there against the FUMike Smith.
But, censorship is still censorship and i’m not a fan of it. I agree to getting rid of spam, that’s the nature of the internet beast. But sports comes with profanity, it’s the nature of that beast.
Fire Jasen Powell!
I apologize for using profane language..sometimes it's just emotions.
In my real life I don’t even use curse words. But when it comes to the Clipper’s I can’t help it. I apologize to any Tyreke Evans fan’s..I cursed him. And any other fans of teams that we have played. Sometimes I really get into the games and I defend our team. I have cut it down..and will continue to. I want Clipsnation to be known for having the classiest fans. I’ve been to other team blogs and they are ridiculous I don’t want us to follow them.
You were culpable
Good call out on over and over again for a long period of time, but pot meet kettle, mr. d.
Yes, it’s the nature of the internet beast. And yes, the Clippers are as frustrating as it gets. But there are plenty of junk sites and great places to find and do whatever you want on the internet, of course. This happens to be a site that tries to err on the side of intelligent analysis and dialogue, without limiting passion or opinion. And there’s no shortage of rhetoric.
It’s partly because the site is so good (and that’s all SP; I have nothing to do with it) that it would be nice to see it treated with respect, and even a bit of decorum. There’s so little good information and analysis of the Clippers, and virtually no place for our beleaguered, disrespected nation of citizens to discuss events of the day big and small. So why muck it up?
But SP knows his game, and it’s not up to me. I try to minimize my replies to fools, and I stay out of arguments as much as possible, tho some of my favorite citizens love to mix it up all day long, potting and kettling. Substance is king, and that’s where you do indeed have an edge over the FUMS kettle in this case.
You just happen to be a f****** c*** to use the c-word on this site.
by citizen zhiv on Dec 30, 2010 1:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Good response
There you go. Much better now.
by citizen zhiv on Dec 30, 2010 6:55 PM PST up reply actions
LAC the C is for Class...
We are supposed to be the classy LA team…WHEN the clips win a Championship, we will only riot a little in the streets of LA…
If it ever happens, I really hope that there are no riots.. I'd really like to be able to hold that over the heads of Laker fans.. LOL
"look, you can find any coach you want, bring him in here and run the situation. But I don't think they are going to do as good a job as I do." -Mike Dunleavy Sr.
by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Dec 30, 2010 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
we should all go start picking up trash
that outta show them
Not asking for censorship
I’m not bothered by the occasional four-letter word in a post. I was referring to that Akram idiot who kept typing f mike smith.. over and over again. There is no need for that, and it contributes nothing.
Agree that this might have been a good game to insert Butler to see if he could provide some offense.
A big play in my opinion was the defensive mix up that allowed Hayward his first three in the third quarter. Gordon and Gomes got confused and left him wide open. Until then he hadn’t made a shot. That got him off and he went on to score seventeen.
Aminu looked great in the first half. Hopefully that was a view of what we can expect to see from him in the future. His rebound and coast to coast dunk was impressive. With more and more experience he will be a major contributor.
Dicuss.
With DeAndre Jordan doing so well. Is it time to say Farewell to Chris Kaman? After all, Kaman will be paid too much if he plays of the bench and putting him back into the starting lying might ruin the chemisty and momentum that the Clips have right now. What’s your take?
by Jeffrey Thompson on Dec 30, 2010 9:18 AM PST reply actions
not yet
the Clippers probably won;t be able to get anything worthy in return.
Unless there is some deal that makes the team incredibly better it makes no sense.
Blake Griffin is coming, hide your MBengas
agreed
Jordan played a lot better but he is not there yet…without doubt, he is a great athlete and an exciting player to watch but he bball IQ, basic off/def fundamental are very marginal at the best. Maybe one or two more years, he’ll be awesome if he works hard on his game. I believe Griffin’s friendship and work ethic had a great impact on him already.
Not yet; the Clippers
Could have used Kaman’s shot last night-they were clogging the lane with good defense. See how Kaman plays with this team-he adds another offensive option when BG, EJ are getting contained.
by MGC on Dec 30, 2010 10:19 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I felt the same as I watching the game
A healthy Kaman could had make differences at yesterday’s game.
Last night's game is the perfect example of why we can NOT trade Kaman or consider it.
DJ may have had some awesome blocks in there, but he was getting schooled by their bigs. They went to their bigs almost every time so of course he got in some good blocks but he gave up a lot more, many of which where easy baskets on missed rotations in the 3rd quarter. We need Kaman’s defense up in there.
Fire Jasen Powell!
plus only 5 rebounds in 40 minutes
i want like the double of rebounds from my Center, this game was lost because of rebounds.
Agree, but ...
It’s not a surprise that a center only gets 5 rebounds when you have a PF who is fourth in the league in rebs. There’s just literally not enough to go around.
Al Jefferson has exploded in games against Kaman before too, like this game.
Man, Jefferson is still only 25. Dude can play.
by Michael White on Dec 30, 2010 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
Though, I should point out
that yesterday was Jefferson’s season high for points scored.
by Michael White on Dec 30, 2010 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
wow you forget how young he still is
Feels like he’s been in the league for quite some time.
by dulciusXasperis on Dec 30, 2010 3:11 PM PST up reply actions
Right so apparently he has been in the league for a while now
6 years experience. I forget how young these guys start off. Thornton is already 27 and only has 3 years experience. Good enough reason not to finish out college ;)
by dulciusXasperis on Dec 30, 2010 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
The problem with the offense is that it is all pick and roll
so when a team zones up, like Utah did last night, the pick and roll is ineffective.
We already knew Sloan is a much better coach, but last night he truly out classed VDN.
Blake Griffin is coming, hide your MBengas
3rd Quarters
Is the problem that teams are adjusting at halftime and the Clippers aren’t adjusting back? That would be a coaching issue, in my opinion.
maybe not..
not trying to defense for VDN, .. imo, our players simply are not focused in details or experienced enough yet, for example, Jordan’s foundation individual defense’s concept is really lacking, he gambled on trying to block every shoot without played a good position defense, most of time he had both his arms down while playing defense against a great post-player, that’s asking for disaster, and he is not only one had problem. Griffin’s defense is also marginal, …. However, they are getting better and I just hoped they would had played with more fire and energy so they could made up the differences of experience for an upset win yesterday… well, they have a bright future more sure.
Dunleavy had the same 3rd quarter problem
Fire Jasen Powell!
coaching
yup, indeed the coaching staff of utah discombobulated the clipper counterpart
It's a shame
Dunks don’t count more than 2 points. They mesmerize the crowd more than the scoreboard especially when the team has many of deficiencies. I think it is more than a coincidence the Jazz adjust and destroy the Clips each game in the 3rd quarter. Not the most exciting team to watch but always well coached and efficient. Clips fun to watch but too eractic to be considered a playoff team. I think Cat Mobley was right, the Clips need another veteran ( but no him) for leadership. I still like Tayshun Prince.
I think the team can go 17-5 in the next 22 games if the team keeps rebounding, playing good D, and limit turnovers.
That would bring the team’s record to 27-28, would that be a good enough record for the coaches to choose blake into the all-star game???
by Christian Vielman on Dec 30, 2010 10:29 AM PST reply actions
are you factoring in the schedule, or is 17-5 just a guess?
i’m haven’t really looked at the Feb schedule (is that when the big roadie happens?), but Jan seems like the type of schedule that usually destroys Clippers teams. lots of 50-50 games against tough squads. it seems the next few weeks are a pivotal point in the schedule, where we can realistically evaluate the team’s goals for the rest of the year.
if we’re playing sub-.500 ball, that road trip is going to be BRUTAL.
Yea, I took a look at the schedule
And there are some tough road games, but most of the teams at under .500 records, the 5 losses would all be against Miami(2), Lakers(1), Orlando(1), and Dallas(2). They also have games against the Hawks (2), Nuggets (1), Chicago (1), and Knicks (1), who all have a winning record, who I think the Clipper can beat IF we stay focused with Rebounding, D, and limiting TO’s. We are carrying some momentum, but this homestand has to be strong. The rest of the 12 games are against sub-.500 teams.
by Christian Vielman on Dec 30, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
let's see it's 23 game before the allstar game.
wins: denver, gsw(3),indiana,minnesota,portland,charlotte,milwakee(2),chicago,ny,cleveland,toronto,minnesota
loses: atlanta(2),miami(2),lakers,dallas,houston,orlando
15-8 it’s the best i see, we might steal the atlanta game at home, but we might also lose the bulls game, and the game at NY. however would be really happy if we go 15-8 the next games.
Without looking carefully
The issue is going to be the length of the road trip, spending an insane and perhaps unprecedented amount of time away from Staples Center (the All-Star break is sandwiched in there, which is probably the lame rationale. aside from “it’s the Clippers”).
Last night was a setback, but a disruption of momentum doesn’t have to be a cessation, and the Clips have to try to gain confidence and get their mojo back and a win at home against a good team. Protect the home floor: they saw how to mess that up last night, and the hope is that they won’t do it again. Kaman’s return should also be a factor, but you hate to even comment on the Kaman Injury space-time continuum.
If the Clips can crank it up again they can get some wins on the road and do alright.
by citizen zhiv on Dec 30, 2010 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
17-5??
I don’t even need to look at the schedule to realize that isn’t a possibility. Man, some fans are truly myopic. Have the Clippers ever gone 17-5 during a 22 game stretch in club history? Someone fact check that for me, thank you in advance.
I've got nothing.
The closest I could find
was the 91-92 Clippers going 15-5 from March 8th through April 16th.
by Michael White on Dec 30, 2010 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
Here's a better one
1974-75 Buffalo Braves went 16-4 from October 18th to November 26th (this started the season.) During this stretch, the club won 11 games in a row (most in franchise history.) The team ended up losing in the first round of the playoffs to the Washington Bullets. Bob McAddo won the MVP.
by Michael White on Dec 30, 2010 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
You are awesome, Michael White.
Thanks for the quick response, dude.
17-5, can you believe this? I almost fell out of my chair.
I've got nothing.
Anything is possible!
In terms of the time continuum the possibility is slim but not impossible. If you
believe that something is possible in your mind, it’s not being myopic but very
positive and with this world how negative everyone has become, it can make
you think that most feats are extremely unattainable. In simple words just let a
guy dream. Maybe if you were part of Club O you would see that anything is
possible. Example: Did you think the New Orlean Saints were going to be
super bowl champs or for that matter the San Francicso Giant world series
champ well most fans of those teams believe it, even thou they might of had
their doubts.
Hate to be a pessimist
But the Clips aren’t very good yet. The 5 of 6 win streak could have easily been 2 of 6, coming down to missed free throws by Rose and Evans, and a few plays by Phoenix . Clips still have a long way to go, so we gotta be patient and a little realistic. I’d love it if the Clips could end up around .500 at the end of the season, but that’s unlikely. Instead of wacky trades or miracle streaks, how about we focus on the team getting healthy and continuing to develop good chemistry?
I believe
sitting pat is pointless. While there are countless trade scenarios its clear the team needs a infusion of talent and experience. Its also a lot of fun.
The team does need to get healthy (especially Kaman) but in terms of chemistry they need to add more permanent pieces if they want to accomplish that.
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.
by ClipperChuck on Dec 30, 2010 8:19 PM PST up reply actions
I'm liking that Minni pick for Chandler trade
We have the cap space to get it done, and NY is obviously serious about finding a draft pick to entice Denver. I also like the fact that we’d be acquiring a young and reasonably priced piece while sending Melo out of the Western conference. I believe, too, that we have time on our side; i.e., we don’t need the talent infusion ASAP. I think you’re right that it’s advantageous to add the piece sometime this season, but I don’t mind feeling things out through February, esp with Kaman returning. What we do should be strictly for the sake of becoming more competitive and clarifying the team’s outlook. That is, it shouldn’t be done hastily for the sake of this year’s playoffs.
"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT
Have to add one condition to a Chandler trade
he should have to agree to a sign and extend. It would be terrible to watch someone swoop in for 5 years 50 million and the Clippers let him go. Maybe Chandler would agree to a 5 year/35-40 million deal prior to the trade to eliminate that possibility.
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.
by ClipperChuck on Dec 31, 2010 12:38 AM PST up reply actions
I could see that. That’s probably going to be a deal-breaker for Chandler though. It’s basically giving him a no-trade clause and his agent could convince him (rightly) that he’s more valuable staying on the Knicks and competing in the playoffs then signing an extension right now with the Clippers.
by Michael White on Dec 31, 2010 7:54 AM PST up reply actions
Yup, that seems to be how guys here see it playing out. I like both players. I get the points made though about worrying Gallinari is more a stretch 4 than a true 3. He is weak defensively because of his size but it’s not from lack of effort.
Of course, this was before yesterday when it was reported that Denver wanted FIVE first round picks from NJ for Melo (in addition to players rumored in the deal.) Denver is overplaying it’s hand and they are going to end up with nothing when he just walks away as an unrestricted free agent.
by Michael White on Dec 31, 2010 8:14 AM PST up reply actions
Agreed
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
The Minny pick?
What happens if there is a lock-out next season? Do we get their pick the following year when it will be a potentially great deep draft with players staying in college cause the lockout? I don’t know the answer so I’d argue no deal on trading the pick for Chandler. Plus with the way New York is playing not sure they’d make the trade considering Denver’s delusional demands.
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My guess is that even with a lockout there will still be a draft this offseason. The lockout will happen after that. In any case, I believe the Clippers seem locked in to getting that Minnesota pick the following year (Minnesota is not going to be making the playoffs this year obviously.)
You may well be right about NYK/Denver. Denver is coming off looking more and more delusional the longer this goes on. That’s somewhat odd considering that Denver’s post-season life this season is hardly secured. They have a few clubs right behind them looking for that 7 and 8 spot where they currently sit. I somewhat understand not wanting to take an offer for Melo instead opting to make one last playoff run. However, they could find themselves keeping Melo this season and missing the playoffs. That would be a lot of egg on the face.
I don’t agree with you on keeping the pick instead of trading for someone like Chandler. The odds that the pick will be someone better than Chandler is slim and you have to wait 2 years to find out. I’d take the sure play.
by Michael White on Dec 31, 2010 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
I might misunderstand...
…but I don’t think the argument is that there won’t be a draft, it’s that college players will skip the draft and keep playing until 2012 because of the potential lockout. I see it affecting mid-level and low level lottery players more than the top guys. If you’re gonna be a top five pick you go now. If you’re on the bubble maybe you wait.
Oh yes, I think you’re certainly right about that. I misread chrisd’s comment. The draft the following year could have a ton of talent.
by Michael White on Dec 31, 2010 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
Correct
The 2012 draft could be loaded because it would have some of the top players from this year and definitely next year. That being said, it’s a gamble to both keep the pick and a gamble to trade it for Chandler. I’m hesitant on the trade because we’d have 2 good chances of getting the top pick or top picks if there is a lockout. I also want to see this team gel for a season, and give Aminu a chance to show his potential/worth instead of having Chandler come in and take it over may not be the best option given that we are more than likely lottery bound anyways. It’s a gamble either way.
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And I agree on the Chandler gamble...
Even adjusted for Dantoni’s system he’s putting up surprising numbers.
Not sure that's do-able
Chandler is in his 4th year I believe, so it’s past the deadline for him to sign an extension. He’ll be an RFA this summer no matter what.
Unless the trade gets the Clips some young talent, or youngish proven players (under 30), then there’s no real reason to make a trade for the sake of making a trade. The chemistry is the best I’ve seen in a few years, Baron even looks like he’s having fun. There’s really no one we could get to significantly boost the team without sacrificing something.
What if Sloan followed VDN's lead
Last night Millsap got two quick fouls early and sat out the rest of the first quarter. Sloan put him back in start of 2nd quarter. Millsap played 10 minutes in the 2nd quarter until he was taken out with about 2 minutes to go. Think Sloan should have sat Millsap just as VDN did with Gordon a few games ago? Hmm.
Again, it was probably to send a message to Gordon
Gordon was getting abused early and often.he essentially gave up 9 points, got two fouls, and he also got worked by Martin forcing Baron to foul.
We don’t know the inside stuff. VDN repeatedly did the same exact thing Sloan did when Griffin was struggling with fouls earlier this season.
VDN constantly relies on his best players. That’s why he only runs pick and roll with Griffin. He did that in Chicago as well, Rose just had the ball in his hands and created off of S & R as well.
I think EJ did get the message as he played the entire second half of that game and was much better at both ends of the floor. The only baskets he gave up were tough shots that Martin made.
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VDN does some very perculiar substitions.
Again when we were struggling in the third Quarter why not bring Rasual to see if he
can make a few three’s. I think Rasual’s in his dog house. But i knew we were in
trouble when we were shooting over 60% in the first half and they were shooting
less than 40% and we were only up by 6.
Reality Check
We came out with a lot of energy and DJ probably had his best quarter ever, but Utah closed the quarter with 5 straight free throws by Okur and Williams that set up what was to come. It was frustrating to watch Utah dissect us once again after a good start.
Jefferson couldn’t miss and they often isolated him on one side of the court, making it difficult to double him. Their bigs seemed to get good position with ease. Williams broke us down no matter who guarded him.
It wasn’t a complete blowout from the final score, but they’re just a much better and systematic team.
I’ve been asking for a little more Sool for a while now, but again VDN is obligated to play Gomes over. It makes sense to give Aminu the most PT, but we still have to make sure he earns his time to keep him on the right track.
by ghost_ride on Dec 30, 2010 2:19 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Gordon’s rebounding…
Or lack there of…what is up with Hayward beating him to an offensive board during that 3rd qtr meltdown? He was just standing looking at the ball! He also tends to give up on broken plays and passes up the ball too soon after instead of assessing the defense and making his way to the basket (much like wade does…in fact it’ll be interesting to watch wade and ej go at it). Foye is no bueno: a chucker with no handles!
Learned From MILPH: Hayward never thought about playing in the NBA until that final 4 run!? You mean the Butler coach never mentioned to him he was good enough to play in nba? Don’t most college coaches say that about their star player? Just a bit surprised…
Another noon game vs the Hawks…anyone know our noon games record so far? 1-0? Winnable games until the Heat come to town, I think!
Roger Sterling: To my knees, Don. They're bringing to my knees!"
I was at the game last night
and it was also my birthday so I was hoping for a clipper win.
The lady friend summed it up best, “you did a complete 180, in the first half you were screaming and cheering and in the second half you couldn’t stop shaking your head and performing fist palms.”
Le sigh.
Good Point
It seemed like EJ was almost asleep in the 3rd quarter…that Hayward rebound stood out, as did the last play of the quarter where they basically gave Utah another bucket to push the lead to 11.
by ghost_ride on Dec 30, 2010 3:24 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Griffin Free throws
I was shocked to see that Griffin has left 112 points on the table this year with missed free throws. Didn’t he have all of last year to stand at the free throw line and practice? It is true that he is starting to expect a foul call on every play now which is not a good sign. He obviously has tremendous talent, I just hope he doesn’t start getting a big head. It is not good when you see a player watch his own highlights on the overhead scoreboard.
Mobley’s comment about the Clippers was right on during the Utah game where the rookies started to look like chickens with their heads cut off in the third quarter.
Also, was Del Negro asleep when he left Jordan on Jefferson for 4 or 5 straight easy jumpshots? Sometimes you have to put a quicker smaller player on a guy to disrupt his shot.
You can shoot all the practice FT's you want
but for a guy that struggles to shoot it won’t match in game situations. His FT% is going up and I would guess that it will reach the upper 60’s by the end of the year. I wouldn’t worry about BG getting a big head, he has shown that he doesn’t really like to talk about himself in interviews and prefers to speak about his team mates. Watching replays is okay, they should be able to have some fun out there.
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Blake's free throws remind me of Ken Norman who was a good shooter but couldn't make free throws.
I remember he even tried jump shooting his free throws but that didn’t work. Plus I know he didn’t like or want to do it because that’s just not the thing to do.
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