Golden State 132 - Clippers 102 - They Really Should Be Ashamed
by Steve Perrin on Feb 10, 2010 11:54 PM PST
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PrintI said in the preview that 0-2 in the Kim Hughes era was not the time to panic, and I joked that 0-3 would be the time to panic. Now it doesn't seem so funny.
The Clippers have had some ugly losses lately, but they all pale in comparison to this one. They came back to tie the game in New Jersey before flaming out. Baron Davis put on a show in Minneapolis that at least proved that he was still trying. The team whittled away at Cleveland's huge lead in the second half. (OK, not much redeemable about the San Antonio loss.) This was an irredeemable loss... to a bad team... missing their two leading scorers.
You can almost understand a terrible first quarter. You take a team lightly, you come out flat, they get hot, shoot 80% with a bunch of threes, you fall behind by 18. It's not excusable, but it's understandable. But how do you let them hang 46 on you in the third quarter? How do you come out of the locker room at halftime and look WORSE after suffering through that humiliation? Did the players say to themselves "You know, I enjoyed having my ass handed to me so much in the first half, I think I'd like to do it again"?
Every single Clipper should be ashamed of himself, but special shame should be reserved for Baron Davis and Chris Kaman. I'm not sure what it is about him, but no player in the NBA can stink like Baron can stink. He went 1 for 12 in this one, and threw in a lot of terrible defense to go with it. As for Kaman, he pulled down four rebounds in 26 minutes against the Warriors. Four. (I honestly don't remember him getting any, so four was better than I thought he'd done.) Can the commissioner change his mind and replace Kaman with Boozer?
While we're at it, allowing 62% shooting is a bad stat, but the worst stat of the night by far is the fact that the Clippers were outrebounded by six by the Warriors.
After suffering through last season in which the Clippers had given up by the Holidays and we watched disinterested performance after disinterested performance for more than half the season, I'm not sure I can handle 30 games of this. We need a name for this. Basquitball?
Teams around the league are going to be circling Clippers games on their schedules in the second half. For good teams, it's a chance to get an easy win. For bad teams, it's a chance to get any kind of win. And for EVERYONE, it's a chance to score a career high, like Stephen Curry and Anthony Tolliver tonight.
Sometimes I really hate this team.
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That last comment was pretty harsh...
but this team deserves all the criticism coming to them. And, it starts with Baron Davis.
I think we've all felt that way
How could you not. There’s nothing to this team brings that makes it’s fans want to see over and over again. It’s not enjoyable to watch a losing product. This team can’t even lose with dignity.
by dulciusEXasperis on Feb 11, 2010 8:12 AM PST up reply actions
I agree.. How could you not? I have felt that way about this team, several times.
"look, you can find any coach you want, bring him in here and run the situation. But I don't think they are going to do as good a job as I do." -Mike Dunleavy Sr.
by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Feb 11, 2010 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
Well....
Baron has been nagging (if we believe the reports) to be the on court general for a long time and wanting to run his free wheeling, running type game. So if Hughes really has turned the reins over to BD,,,I think last night is enough to prove that BD’s plan is crap. Good plan,,if you were a consistant bonafide star,,not just one in your mind. Or maybe he forgot he wasn’t a Warrior anymore but decided to play the way he played up there. Hot, cold, hot, cold.
Very depressing thinking aobut the second half of the seaosn,,could we start the lockout early?
I'm with you
in fact if I wasn’t a season ticket holder I’d probably quit watching the team for the rest of the year. Oh well, time to get find a mistress… I think the Cavaliers can be my trophy wife now that the Clippers season has officially ended.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Feb 11, 2010 4:00 PM PST up reply actions
Baron is sucking it up
Can’t defend him as of late the ATL game just put the dagger in every players heart
bd asked for the reigns and he got them...i say the rest of the season is on him...
- i like that…basquitball…funny!
- teams, good and ESPECIALLY bad ones, have been circling the clips since kaman went down with a bad back
- didn’t check the game preview, but have you gone back to picking the All-Star for one game again? If not, it needs to come back.
Roger Sterling: To my knees, Don. They're bringing to my knees!"
i cant believe i paid money to watch this game. but yeah… it was shameful, i would just watch for a few minutes and then hang my head in shame.
i think the only guy who even remotely cared was camby at the start, and maybe eric gordon and butler seemed like they were at least trying to be efficient and not chuck up horrible shots. craig smith and deandre probably cared too…
the rest of the team that played much looked like they could care less, especially baron and kaman. those 2 should get suspended or benched for how horrible they played.
kim hughes doesn't have that kind of authority
if it were Avery johnson, i don’t think they would’ve even dressed
This whole team is shit, how the hell can a team that looks reasonable on paper play just absolute shit. Is Baron awake out there? how can you let yourself go like that.
How many times in the last 10 years have you looked at the Clippers roster
and then looked at the results and then kinda got a bit confused.
Many for me! We have often had a decent team on paper but on the court they just do not play like a team. I’d love to follow Utah. The coach is highly respected and the players fit into that system, trust it and they actually play for each other.
You get the feeling our players are just out for themselves and if the team does well, that’s a bonus.
If Baron cannot lift things in the rest of this season, I say take what you can and trade him. I think he’s played better this year but this is exactly what he wanted and if this has been a preview of what is to come, get rid (if you can find anyone stupid enough to accept the contract).
Bingo! Oh me oh my!
I've also thought about it...
It could be because we love our team and we allways think that they are better (should be better) then they really are. I would say that It’s not about the team and the players, it’s about our perspective about the team as fans.
I wonder if it's me
I have followed these guys for over a decade,,and I am beginning to finally believe our standards are way low and that’s why we think we have a good team. Reality bites,,,we don’t have a good team and haven’t for a long time.
Who considers himself a Clippers fan and didn't expect this game?
Before I opened this page, I predicted something like 125-105. Heading to All Star Break, a better showing would have been a surprise. Invariably, they always find a way to be the worst team on the court.
I consider myself a Clipper fan
and I did not expect this. I expected a win.
by Michael White on Feb 11, 2010 7:38 AM PST up reply actions
I expected this
We don’t rebound or play d. Now that we “run”, we barely run a play. The free flowing system works if your players have bball iq, unfortunately griffin is the only player with a high iq.
by Qlippers on Feb 11, 2010 7:53 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
WOW
I didn’t think the Clippers could sink this low, stink this bad. This loss feels worse than last years season. At least last season you had injuries to blame. Golden State had injuries galore for this game.
SHAME ON THE CLIPPERS!!!
They sould go door to door apologising to each & every Clipper fan!!
This team is terrible, & the franchise curse is getting really hard to disqualify offhand
PG – Baron Davis, SG – Eric Gordon, SF – Thornton/Butler, PF – Marcus Camby, C – Chris Kaman. With the exception of the -SF position, this roster looks like a freaking fantasy basketball team and they suck donkey stones.
Is Baron discombobulated from moving from Dunleavy’s system? I anticipate that’s going to be the excuse for flaming out worse than the Cubs on the brink of a playoff berth. And it’s unreasonable, Davis isn’t a rookie that ought to be fazed from system-shifting, esp if it’s in the direction of granting him substantially more freedom to ad-lib the offense like he vociferously prefers to. He’s not Jason Campbell coming into the league learning 6 different systems in 7 years, he’s Baron Davis.
$10 says the crutch he leans on is some blippy “We (read, I) just didn’t have focus because things got a little inconsistent this year.. we (read I) played under two different systems, most people don’t have to do that…” (wahhh).
It’s absolutely unforgivable how astonishingly awful this team is given that Davis/Gordon/Camby/Kaman are their starters. Hideous, absolutely hideous.
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Feb 11, 2010 7:04 AM PST reply actions
Standings. aside, this is team is the bottom of the league.
Any team need a break or an easy win, look, it’s the Clippers. Seriously, the way this team plays it’s worse than the Nets.
it has never been the coach
most everyone here has been down on dunleavy…ok…his playbook is to big…his playbook is to complicated for baron…he exerts too much control…well, we have witnessed what baron davis “unleashed” looks like and it SUCKS…baron got what he wanted, dunleavy no longer the coach…he won and the clippers lost…if anyone believes that avery johnson, jeff van gundy or his brother, byron scott, jerry sloan, phil jackson are any less controlling than dunleavy, i submit that you are incorrect….baron davis is a cancer…unfortunately he has 3 years to go on a contract that he doesnt desrve and he doesnt deserve the clipper fans who support this team….ive seen better effort from the loy vaught / harrold ellis team than this team…there best scorer, gordon gets 8 to 12 shots a game…whats up with that? kaman is now a scorer only and plays absolutely no defense…he’s an all star just like i am…i am sick of watching baron (play free or die) davis…no wonder byron scott trashed can him in new orleans.
Blow it up
we have nothing to lose. We’ve got a ton of pieces that would help other teams, but putting these guys together just doesn’t work.
Winning is one thing, but I’d at least be happy if the team went out and played hard every night.
I’d like to take the Blazers or Thunder approach. Dump all of your high priced talent (not sure if we can use talent and this team) and rebuild through free agency and the draft.
We need to trade Camby now...
… there’s no way a real professional re-signs with these keystone cops.
I agree, and if we can just get some fool to take Davis off our hands
we might have some room for some major changes.
I couldn’t care less about what Camby’s opinion is on the matter. I don’t think he’s re-signing, but I don’t really care anyway. But the Clippers should consider their options independently of what the “real professional” thinks. The decision to trade Camby (IMO) has very little to do with Camby’s ability or desire to re-sign. They aren’t trading him, because they don’t want to take on a contract (even for a guy like Iguadala) because it means they are out of the Lebron sweepstakes. Either way, they will renounce him at the end of the season, so the odds on him being a Clipper next year are close to 0 regardless of if he is traded now or just held onto until the end of the year.
by Michael White on Feb 11, 2010 8:59 AM PST up reply actions
Camby
Can be traded and should be. Other teams would be willing to give expiring deals and a draft pick for him, thus preserving our cap space while adding a asset. That’s really the best route for us, now we can play Rhino and DJ more since the tanking has begun.
On a different note, how dejected was Kim Hughes in the post game interview?
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Feb 11, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
The thing is
Another first round pick would further reduce our cap space.
So really they need to decide on a course of action. Either sell Camby with Thornton and/or Telfair to free up the max cap space for Lebron, try to see if they can pull off a trade for someone like Iguodala, or just accept that they’re not going to sign a big name FA and sit around hoping to make a trade later where they absorb a player for virtually nothing.
We could draft a Euro
and keep him overseas or frankly a late 1st rounder only cost a little. If we move AT or Bassy in said deal then we’d come out ahead.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Feb 11, 2010 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
We could
But it makes little sense to trade for a pick with the intent to use it to stash a European player. First of all, there has to be a specific European player the team wants. Second, there are no promises that that player will be there when we pick. It’s putting the cart before the horse. If you need to stash the pick, you don’t trade for it to begin with.
I do agree that if you can trade AT or Bassy then that would change things. I’m all for that if we free up enough cap space to take a crack at Lebron. Otherwise, I wouldn’t trade AT. Bassy can be had for free though.
Eh
it makes a ton of sense to stash a euro. The Spurs have done extremely well with that plan (Scola, Splitter, Manu for starters). If we can add a asset for nothing then why not? Losing Camby would cost us a few wins but seeing how we have no shot of making the playoffs this is the better play for the off-season.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Feb 11, 2010 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
Extremely well?
I don’t know about that. Manu is the only one of the 3 you named who even suited up for them. They traded away Scola for nothing and Splitter isn’t even in the NBA. How is that doing extremely well?
And the Spurs comparison doesn’t really make sense here. Manu and Scola were 2nd round picks with absolutely no risk whatsoever. You’re talking about actively trading for a pick…only to not use it.
Again, it only makes sense to do that if they have a guy they want that they know they can get and they can stash. You don’t make a trade for a pick if you’re planning to stash it.
It’s a pointless move unless you can trade away AT and/or Bassy at the same time OR unless you don’t care about max cap space this summer.
You obviously understand this better than I,
but basically I was just thinking “who would you trust in the Clipper organization to evaluate european talent.” They can’t even do it here.
Madglove: the Clippers would like to have max space
so Bassy, AT, and Camby for Josh Howard, Barea, and Quinton Ross. Gives the Clips an upgrade at SF for the rest of the season, while gaining space. Mavs gain a center and free the SF spot for Marion to play. Maybe the Mavs could also give the 2010 OKC pick they have.
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.-1984 George Orwell.
Spurs
they regret that trade a lot, point being they screwed up royally giving Scola away, especially to a in-state, division rival. Splitter is carrying a lot of value now and either they bring him over or use him in a bigger trade. Again important to note that they took a low valued asset (2nd round picks, late 1st rounder) and turned it into a valuable asset. Low risk and big return.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Feb 12, 2010 3:45 AM PST up reply actions
Steve, I honestly don't know how you have the energy
to keep writing about this team. Kudos to you. Can I say, “no more games for me”, I think I can. What to do with the tickets?
What hits me the hardest
is that not to long ago we were all celebrating the fact that we already surpassed last years win total. Its almost like the players themselves had that as their goal, win as many as last year and throw in the towel.
How can the Clips as an organization even begin to entice any 1 of the major free agents this summer with play like that :-/
Unfortunately, I am very likely to win
my bet about the team getting to .500.
What we fail to realize is that MDSr set this all up so the Clips would nab John Wall. The most brilliant personnel move he’s ever made!!!
(Ok, other then getting BG).
Remember (see my sig) . . .
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Call it a season
The clips can end this season right now. They should trade Camby for whatever they can get. He ain’t resigning. If he hits free agency, he’s gonna go somewhere where he has a shot at a ring in his last few years. Also, no legit star is coming through free agency. The Knicks, New Jersey (Brooklyn), Miami and Chicago will all have cap space. Why would a star come too this mess instead?
Package Camby with some young players or expirings for a young star. If Dunleavy can’t pull that off by the deadline, I say trade Camby to the first contender that will offer a late first rounder, tank the rest of the season (it looks like that’s already happening) and get a legit shot at landing John Wall. Find a real coach in the offseason. That’s it. Any other plan will surely crash and burn.
Well...
I think we’re still ahead of the Nets since they have issues with their arena and possibly ownership. The Knicks have no talent if they add a max player, unless they somehow move Curry and/or Jeffries before the deadline. Miami might add Amare which might take them out of the running which leaves Chicago as the most attractive destination. I’d think we are a decent option for FA, would be much better if we had a owner besides Sterling though.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Feb 11, 2010 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
you know it's bad when the mardy collins post up is your primary offensive option
I was at this game and let me tell you, there was nothing to cheer for. I was a 2 and a half hour golden state layup drill/3 point contest. (many of which were uncontested!!!)
Kaman should sit out the all star game, he has no business there amongst winners
I’m just going to forget about this game. we lost to the d-league. time to move on. Maybe the clippers will bounce back like they usually do and a 5 or so day rest will serve them well.
by cantthinkofagoodname on Feb 11, 2010 11:21 AM PST reply actions
Who wrote the script?
Last night’s game fit perfectly, the Nets missing two key guys to injuries, barely fielded a team, and now, same formular here, except, the Worriers lost more than two key guys, and…
The next worst team in the NBA is coming after the All Star weekend, WATCH OUT.
by Pats fan in CA on Feb 11, 2010 11:24 AM PST reply actions
Wow
I watched the first half of this game. Curry’s 5 1st quarter 3s were obviously a big problem. As SP says, a loose team that’s just firing up shots and starts hitting them can put a big first quarter on you. The Clips were more respectable in the 2nd. But I have to say i had real interest in watching the 2nd half. The Clips were behind by enough that they were going to lose, and it seemed likely to be boring and frustrating. So I went to sleep and thought I would get the results in the newspaper in the morning, old school style.
The 46 point third quarter is just mind-boggling. I can’t even imagine how it could be possible. Now I have to see it, to watch it on the Tivo, but how bad and bizarre and miserable is that going to be?
What it shows is that the Clips are, unfortunately, now in the race to the bottom. They only have 21 wins, and they helped the Warriors get to 14 or whatever.
But we can get into quality losses and draft positioning later. Right now it’s about the trade deadline, and what the Clippers might look like afterwards.
Learning how to play well under Kim Hughes is going to take some time. First let’s see who is on the roster at the end of next week, and work from there.
As unhappy as I am about the effort & result last night
They played the same way just about everyone on this blog works on the day before they leave for vacation.
I’m hoping it doesn’t mean too much.
The thing is
It doesn’t really make sense to throw in the vacation excuse when the Warriors were facing the exact same vacation and came out with WAY more effort and energy. And the Warriors aren’t exactly the model franchise.
That’s probably what makes this loss even more embarrassing. It’s like the Clips are a slacker sales employee, and another employee who everyone thought was the biggest slacker in the office just sold like 10x more than the Clips did the day before vacation.
There’s no excuse at all for the way this team lost last night.
Except with their injuries
They had a lot of guys that don’t get to play regularly & have something to prove. I like your analogy though…I’m hoping it’s more like the senior management slacking off sooner than the worker-bees (does that happen?).
Just hoping it’s not a reason to lose all hope.
Depends on what you're "hoping" for.
If you’re hoping for the playoffs, there was no logical reason to hope way before last night. If you’re just hoping for improvement, then I think that’s valid.
I guess that’s all we can reasonably hope for at this point. That the team starts to put it together and gets competitive. Kinda like how the Thunder started winning some games at the end of last season (which ironically culminated in blowing out the Clips at Staples).
I think, at this point, if we can get to the level that we were playing at in late December-early January, it would almost be a miracle. We have the same personnel, but that team and last night’s team are light years apart. I would just settle for some effort right now, so that selfish habits don’t spread like cancer throughout the roster.
by MichaelCage on Feb 11, 2010 2:21 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
The loss was f***ing horrible
The Warriors came in with a 9 game losing streak, missing their top players etc and we got blown out. I actually care about the NBA’s next CBA deal because I’m hoping the reduce the length of player contracts, the owners are right one bad contract and the team is in salary cap hell for years. Baron may have played like doodoo last night but there are even worse examples (Eddy Curry, Jerome James, Jared Jeffries, Calvin Booth etc etc). The sad part is if Baron really did decide to just give up the team has pretty little recourse under the current CBA. Players like Butler, Ricky, Collins etc should be playing their asses off as they need to show the other teams in the league something or they won’t have a job next year.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Feb 11, 2010 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
Club Optimism
I’m looking on the bright side here. Maybe now we will all have the perspective of what it looks like when a team actually quits instead of when we just make it up in our heads.
Maybe.
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
by John R on Feb 11, 2010 1:29 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Choking to the Nets and Wolves wasn't quitting
Forgot what player said think it was Shane Battier but he said it “Sometimes the Clippers just don’t show p to games”, If you think this is the first case you need to check the archives.
Right - they performed admirably for the last seven years - just look at their record
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Club Life
It raises an interesting question. What’s the bright side?
When you get down low, there’s nowhere to go but up. A lot of us wrote off this year a while ago, some before it even started, but now it’s abundantly clear that this season is over over over, and it’s about positioning and the roster and coach for next year.
Again, maybe something good will happen before the trade deadline.
When you’ve got nothing, you’ve got nothing to lose. Not exactly the dictionary definition of optimism, but it does have a clubby ring to it.
by citizen zhiv on Feb 11, 2010 6:50 PM PST up reply actions
Hate say I told you guys aboutKaman. Gordon, and All-Star weekend but I told you.
Clippers are sucking and it’s been a disgracful season going into making the future not even look brighter type season. I honestly can’t see a way Blake Griffin can undo the damage that has been done over they years by the Clipper franchise it’s like 300 spartans trying to take on an empire at the end of the day they still died trying.
Everything went wrong went wrong GM Dunleavy’s player are emo kids with Britney Spears mood swings and the coaching staff seems locked in as sheep.
I think next season will be the Clippers last shot before they re-enter the cave of "It’s the Clippers " and are locked in it for another ten years. Blake Griffin, The new team SF, and the new coach have everything on their shoulders.
I was watching Major League last weekend
and I think I’m going to start being like that negative Indians fans. When will they make a sports movie about the Clippers where we win a championship… I’d take it even if its complete fiction.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Feb 11, 2010 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
LOL.. I love that movie
"look, you can find any coach you want, bring him in here and run the situation. But I don't think they are going to do as good a job as I do." -Mike Dunleavy Sr.
by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Feb 11, 2010 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
You could never make a movie with DTS as a sympathetic
character. Of course it would be fiction so you could say he discovered a cure for cancer or something.
Actually
the owner in the Major League film is the widow (read Gold digger) of the owner, who has now inherited the team. She wants the team to suck so attendance falls below a certain number where she can then move the team to Miami.
To think, DTS can do this and he’s not even intentionally (I think) trying.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Feb 11, 2010 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
More random thoughts
The Saints and Buccaneers have now won championships within the past decade… anything is possible!
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Feb 11, 2010 4:54 PM PST up reply actions
Devil Rays and Tigers went to the World Series too.
And a team from Philadelphia won a championship.
by Michael White on Feb 11, 2010 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
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