Camby Traded
For Steve Blake and Travis Outlaw.
It's disappointing that we could not package Al Thornton or Sebastian Telfair to free up more room so we can offer a max contract this summer. I thought that was the only way we would part with Camby.
It would be horrific if this is the entire deal. I expect to hear that we picked up a future first rounder or one of the players that Portland has stocked in Europe.
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Poor trade. Really really poor.
Good job by the Dunleavy. Way to go. I see he’s kept his coaching mojo.
by eastie Rich on Feb 16, 2010 12:37 AM PST up reply actions
whaaaaaaaaaat
is this for real? That’s stupid.
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by LancasterGordon4Eva on Feb 15, 2010 10:41 PM PST reply actions
What a horrid trade
I guess Bobby Brown should be Let go soon…..the trade makes no sense, if we are looking for Cap Room, we should just let Camby expire. MDSr, is TOO ACTIVE.
This is going to be my team, and we're going to rise together.
-Clipper Darrell
My guess is it’s the first step. Picking up another PG allows us to part with one of our current ones, either of whom help to free up 2010 cap space… if that is our plan…
"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein
by Another son of Mike Smith on Feb 15, 2010 10:45 PM PST reply actions
Hmmm...
yeah, I mean, I would rather trade Camby to a contender at least, but I think they need a solid PG at the bench. What are the contract situations of Outlaw and Blake?
Both Outlaw and Blake are expring contracts
there combined contracts add up to 7.6million and Camby’s contract was for 9 million.
" Baron for the win, BINGO!!!! The Clipers Win, The Clippers win!!! "
Ralph Lawler
by bestclipfan on Feb 15, 2010 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
now we have 2 Blakes
Blake and Blake….sounds like a Law Firm. “Blake to Blake…for the dunk”. If they ever both play at the same time, it will be a fun time for Ralph.
This is going to be my team, and we're going to rise together.
-Clipper Darrell
won't matter
Steve Blake is an expiring contract so he won’t be around when BG comes back.
" Baron for the win, BINGO!!!! The Clipers Win, The Clippers win!!! "
Ralph Lawler
by bestclipfan on Feb 15, 2010 10:52 PM PST up reply actions
wouldnt matter anyway
Blake cant throw a decent lob pass to save his life.
He is however, tremendous at botching fast breaks. So I hope the clippers dont like to run too much
Kobe sucks
by La Marc Gasol dridge on Feb 15, 2010 11:26 PM PST up reply actions
Does thatmean Craig Smith is starting at power forward?
What’s Outlaw’s injury status?
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by LancasterGordon4Eva on Feb 15, 2010 10:55 PM PST reply actions
Outlaw hasn't played since mid-November
I think he’s expected back soon, but don’t quote me.
late feburary
but wait, in clipperland, that means 6 months…
oh so true
I'm nobody's fool, least of all yours
by BoulderDodger on Feb 16, 2010 9:52 AM PST up reply actions
he was in a full contact practice last night
Literally 30 minutes before the trade was announced. He will be back soon.
I'm not saying, I'm just saying.
Yeah, he's cleared for contact this week, and should return shortly after...
http://www.nba.com/fantasy/fantasy_playernews.jsp?date=02/02/10&type=news#travis_outlaw
Outlaw has been cleared for contact the day after the All-Star break, and will likely return to game-action shortly after that. "This is definitely a blessing,‘’ Outlaw said. "To come back this early, I would be happy.’’
"look, you can find any coach you want, bring him in here and run the situation. But I don't think they are going to do as good a job as I do." -Mike Dunleavy Sr.
by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Feb 15, 2010 11:04 PM PST up reply actions
Well, we definitely had better trade ideas than this! LOL
"look, you can find any coach you want, bring him in here and run the situation. But I don't think they are going to do as good a job as I do." -Mike Dunleavy Sr.
by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Feb 15, 2010 11:02 PM PST reply actions
Fuck you Dunleavy!
Understandably, the season seems done, but is this guy made to help other teams out?
if amare could only get back jj hickson
maybe there wasnt a great trade market out there for camby, hopefully we get a pick or something else in this deal other wise it seems like we are just helping the blazers
Article now changed by ESPN, not a done deal
Article for Trade on ESPN now changed to "camby MAY be headed to Portland"
"The Los Angeles Clippers were in discussion to trade forward-center Marcus Camby to the Portland Trail Blazers for Travis Outlaw and Steve Blake, sources told ESPN The Magazine’s Ric Bucher.
One source close to the situation initially said that the sides had agreed on the deal, but multiple sources later said that the deal was close but not completed. A Clippers source called the talks "substantive."
Well...
ESPN:
“One source close to the situation initially said that the sides had agreed on the deal, but multiple sources later said that the deal was close but not completed. A Clippers source called the talks “substantive.”"
“In a text message to ESPNLosAngeles.com, Camby said that he “hadn’t heard anything about it” from either his agent or the Clippers. He has said that he would prefer to remain in Los Angeles, but he understands why his name continues to come up in trade talks."
I’m crossing my fingers this shit does NOT go through.
Wow squared
It doesn’t sound all that complicated. Either it’s a go or it isn’t… no?
My bad
ESPN had it up for around 10 minutes before I posted (and I apologize SilverClip, I would not have posted if I had seen yours).
Yeah thought it was strange that no one else was reporting yet
hopefully the deal doesn’t go through.
" Baron for the win, BINGO!!!! The Clipers Win, The Clippers win!!! "
Ralph Lawler
I'm fine with the trade
if they can dump Al Thornton and/or Sebastian Telfair. That might give us max space for the free agent class, depending on salary cap.
And of course, we would no longer need Thornton and Telfair this year least since the new guys play the same position.
Yeah, that might explain things
but who would take both those guys?
I have not tried on ESPN trade machine
But I’m pretty sure adding Telfair or Thornton would still make the trade work. If not, I’m sure Portland can include another small expiring contract.
After losing Outlaw, Portland could use Thornton. They aren’t players in the 2010 free agent class anyway, so it could only help them to acquire an asset like Thornton still on his rookie contract.
I tried it
it will work if they add Juwan Howard, Patrick Mills and Dante Cunningham to the deal. I think Cunningham still has a year left for the minimum but this does clear a couple million more. We’d probably just waive Howard (I think Mills is in the D league right now).
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Feb 15, 2010 11:26 PM PST up reply actions
That's right
When I tried it, I ended up including RFernandez in order to get AT into the deal.
One of these additions would make A LOT more sense for us. We’ll see.
lol
they wouldn’t trade any of those players just to get a couple of bad contracts
Batum doesn't use email,
he uses his mind to transmit his thoughts to other people. that is how he intimidates his opponents without ever talking to them
Yeah same here..
but it works just adding Howard and Cunningham (and part of one of the trade exceptions)..
That way we just waive Skinner and Bobby Brown, to make it work.
"look, you can find any coach you want, bring him in here and run the situation. But I don't think they are going to do as good a job as I do." -Mike Dunleavy Sr.
by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Feb 15, 2010 11:33 PM PST up reply actions
Does this benefit us?
Don’t really think so, I think Outlaw isn’t an expiring so he’s not helping much for 2010. I know he can score but he doesn’t grab boards.
So…fingers crossed on Dunleavy looking for a better deal.
Both are expiring contracts so it would help us
here is the link
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yhgsxof
" Baron for the win, BINGO!!!! The Clipers Win, The Clippers win!!! "
Ralph Lawler
by bestclipfan on Feb 15, 2010 11:16 PM PST up reply actions
It's one big expiring for two medium expirings
so it really doesn’t affect our cap situation at all, unless we resign one of them.
If we don’t resign either, though, then why do it at all? Now we have a hole at the 4, and we’ve helped a conference rival.
Yeah
the only thing I could think could be accomplished then is maybe Dun has a deal set up for Blake and Thornton. If not this was a pretty stupid move which is odd since Dun hasn’t made that many bad trades.
" Baron for the win, BINGO!!!! The Clipers Win, The Clippers win!!! "
Ralph Lawler
by bestclipfan on Feb 15, 2010 11:20 PM PST up reply actions
Hopefully it's Telfair and Thornton
"look, you can find any coach you want, bring him in here and run the situation. But I don't think they are going to do as good a job as I do." -Mike Dunleavy Sr.
by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Feb 15, 2010 11:34 PM PST up reply actions
Oh that makes sense now, cap-wise
I can’t find the contract length things outside the trade machine.
But I think our roster is full, so does that mean we are going to drop one guy if this pulls through?
Apparently Camby is pissed
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=mc-cambytrade021510&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
“After taking the call, Camby immediately walked out of the restaurant. A source close to him says he is "very upset" about the trade. He had hoped to re-sign with the Clippers this summer.
"He likes the Clippers, he likes the organization, he likes L.A.," the source said. "His wife is not happy in L.A. And he’s not one for change. He’s definitely not happy about this.""
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by LancasterGordon4Eva on Feb 15, 2010 11:11 PM PST reply actions
“Said one Clipper: "All the guys are upset because our best defensive player got traded basically for a backup point guard and money."”
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by LancasterGordon4Eva on Feb 15, 2010 11:12 PM PST up reply actions
yeah, looks they're going to finalize it tomorrow
if that’s accurate
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by LancasterGordon4Eva on Feb 15, 2010 11:17 PM PST up reply actions
haha, me too.
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by LancasterGordon4Eva on Feb 15, 2010 11:38 PM PST up reply actions
if this is true that's really a WOW
I respect Camby even more…I mean, why would he choose to stay with the Clips over a potential playoff contender unless he feels deep inside that he believes in this team!
by clipFanInSD on Feb 15, 2010 11:13 PM PST up reply actions
Wow
I’m pretty much done with this team if this goes down. Sterling that cheap bastard can stick the 3 million he gets from this deal up his ass. This deal does nothing for this year if we aren’t clearing cap space. The only one who wins in all this is DTS as he pockets some extra cash.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Feb 15, 2010 11:21 PM PST up reply actions
I see your point
I’d probably join you. But DTS isn’t engineering the trade, and I can’t believe Dunleavy would abide by such non-basketball motivations.
Well the reports are
the only hold up is the Clippers just want some cash and the deal goes through. This organization is continually disappointing and short-sighted. If this trade goes down in its current form I’m done with this team once this season is over. We can even get lucky and land John Wall and it won’t make a difference if DTS continues with this low rent $#%@
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Feb 15, 2010 11:41 PM PST up reply actions
I am on the same ship as you Chuck
I might have officially give up on this team. Camby was a great player for this organization and it seems like we’re giving him away for useless players. Outlaws hurt and Blake just adds onto our pg situation. I usually understand Dunleavy’s trade decisions, but this might be my breaking point.
his wife doesnt like LA but he does
is that what that says, so does that mean she is happy and he isnt
Camby is not happy.
i guess he seriously was going to resign with the clips.
Nor should he
We aren’t even trading him to a championship contender, just team that wants to rent him for a few months but is waiting for Oden and Pryzbilla to come back.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Feb 15, 2010 11:23 PM PST up reply actions
There have been rumors that Przybilla might not be able to come back effectively from his injury
I suppose there’s a chance Camby could be re-signed by Portland
"In Batum's case he must realize he is very likely the first Blazer to successfully fight over a pick all season..."
-Ben
Way to burn this bridge
Heck maybe we could’ve traded him for a few months and he could have come back in the off season. It appears it was so poorly handled that now he won’t come back.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Feb 15, 2010 11:29 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, that's my take on it too
It seems like Camby was insulted by the way it’s been handled and won’t resign there even though he’s a FA in the summer.
"In Batum's case he must realize he is very likely the first Blazer to successfully fight over a pick all season..."
-Ben
the Balzers are contenders
you just don’t know anything about basketball
Batum doesn't use email,
he uses his mind to transmit his thoughts to other people. that is how he intimidates his opponents without ever talking to them
Oh piss off
Don’t come around here and tell regular posters that they don’t know anything about basketball.
by Michael White on Feb 16, 2010 8:15 AM PST up reply actions
quick! everybody hide in the cupboard! the blazer SS are here!
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
by TheMoon on Feb 16, 2010 8:41 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I have to think that there are details missing
or like others have suggested, maybe it’s just part 1 of a combination move.
I hope it is part of a combo move
I don’t Dun is that bad of a gm to dump Camby for nothing in return.
" Baron for the win, BINGO!!!! The Clipers Win, The Clippers win!!! "
Ralph Lawler
by bestclipfan on Feb 15, 2010 11:21 PM PST up reply actions
to help cheer you clipper fans up, in about two weeks you will get this guy back from injury
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kzq4ozGwoOM
Awesomeness (ô'səm-nes)
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yeah so we get him back from injury
just to have him gone in a couple months.
" Baron for the win, BINGO!!!! The Clipers Win, The Clippers win!!! "
Ralph Lawler
by bestclipfan on Feb 15, 2010 11:22 PM PST up reply actions
you wouldn't resign him to replace Thornton?
"In Batum's case he must realize he is very likely the first Blazer to successfully fight over a pick all season..."
-Ben
He's definitely better than Thornton
I can give you that.
I think I’d do that deal if it doesn’t involve Camby.
On the other hand is Steve Blake any good?
3 pointers? A few assists? Backup combo guard?
he is a good 3 point shooter
and had 14 assists in one quarter last year against you. can play off the ball
Awesomeness (ô'səm-nes)
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by thomasikehara on Feb 15, 2010 11:32 PM PST up reply actions
Steve Blake can play well in a role
He’s steady, low mistake, low impact player. He won’t win you a game, but he won’t lose it for you either. He’s a solid backup PG who can manage a 2nd unit and hit the 3.
"In Batum's case he must realize he is very likely the first Blazer to successfully fight over a pick all season..."
-Ben
Do you remember last year
When Blake missed 4 out of 5 FT’s against us and Baron hit a 3 at the Buzzer and we went on to win in overtime. So he can in fact lose you a game. Lol
he is unclutch at the foul line
he can hit the dagger 3, but dont let him shoot clutch free throws
Awesomeness (ô'səm-nes)
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by thomasikehara on Feb 15, 2010 11:36 PM PST up reply actions
Sure...
By dagger 3, he means “if we are up more than 6 points with less than 2 minutes to go”.
I’d count on a miss if the gap is anything less than that, though.
"I think he’s been doing some good things. I think he’s been doing some good things. He’s had to play a lot of minutes lately with Blake being out. I think he’s been doing some good things." -Nate McMillan
lol
ok, yes, but when people say “lose you a game” they almost never mean that type of situation. It’s the guy who commits 8 TOs and goes 2/12.
Steve Blake lacks clutch-ness for sure.
"In Batum's case he must realize he is very likely the first Blazer to successfully fight over a pick all season..."
-Ben
lol
I wasn’t intentionally drawing a comparison, but yes. At least Baron can be equally as good too.
"In Batum's case he must realize he is very likely the first Blazer to successfully fight over a pick all season..."
-Ben
If this trade goes through
I think we’ll see the old Baron from last season. Hello 0.200 FG percentage!
why do you say that?
Does Camby have a locker room influence on Baron?
"In Batum's case he must realize he is very likely the first Blazer to successfully fight over a pick all season..."
-Ben
Don't think so
But I’m not trusting that he’d be happy about this deal if it goes through. He was lethargic last season.
If Baron’s not happy, he’s going to play like crap, kinda like last season.
that was not the only time he chocked away a game at the line
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by thomasikehara on Feb 15, 2010 11:40 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah I figured
But we have Telfair already as our backup PG. I think he can backup Gordon as well, but I envision that his playing time gets dropped by like 10 minutes from the 25ish MPG. So that dwindles the actual impact he provides us.
wait...what's the deal then?
"In Batum's case he must realize he is very likely the first Blazer to successfully fight over a pick all season..."
-Ben
After looking at the Trade Machine
I don’t think we can really get Outlaw (which fills our need at SF) and provide equal value to the deal (essentially a center/PF). I can say make Craig Smith + Skinner for Outlaw, but that’s not quite an equal deal in terms of talent.
And I'd rather we just let Camby expire
Not that I think he’d resign with us now. If we didn’t push for this deal I think he’d resign.
here is some more
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FC5IIV2u9o
Awesomeness (ô'səm-nes)
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by thomasikehara on Feb 15, 2010 11:35 PM PST up reply actions
ESPN's scouting report. Not exactly starting material. A little like AT, actually.
Scouting report: Outlaw has a long, slender frame and is athletic in the sense that he can jump and run fast in straight lines. He’s all arms and legs, though, and has a lot of trouble moving laterally. This affects him at the defensive end while chasing players through screens and tracking dribblers. So despite a high rate of blocks and the ability to bother shooters with his length, he’s an average defender overall. His lack of strength also hurts him when he plays as an undersized 4: He gives up post position quite easily.
Offensively, Outlaw has a nice jump shot with great elevation, and at 6-foot-9 he can loft it over virtually any opposing small forward. He’ll sometimes force it early in the clock, and he lacks great off-the-dribble moves that would allow him to get to the basket. Additionally, he should add a shot fake that would earn him some extra freebies at the line. Outlaw dribbles solely to score and has zero court vision.
he put about 20 pounds of muscle since being out
so i think he can play the 4 better
Awesomeness (ô'səm-nes)
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2. n. Nicolas Batum
by thomasikehara on Feb 15, 2010 11:42 PM PST up reply actions
Question for Blazer Fans
I see a lot of Portland Fans, so I want to ask a question.
All your team does is acquire cheap young good players. Wouldn’t you want a guy like Al Thornton, who averaged 17 ppg last year? He’s on a relatively cheap rookie contract since he was drafted semi-late (14th overall).
However, to us, it is imperative we dump his contract in order to free up 2010 cap space. Also, outlaw seems like exactly the same player, so we don’t need Al Thornton anwyay.
How does Dunleavy not get rid of Thornton in this deal, especially when portland was DESPERATE for a big man. Trust me, if this trade goes through, you’re very lucky. Camby is an absolute beast and a good locker room guy.
i have always liked thornton
never really seen him play, but i have always liked him
but we have enough young talent
Awesomeness (ô'səm-nes)
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by thomasikehara on Feb 15, 2010 11:45 PM PST up reply actions
I think Portland wouldn't want AT
Since they already have Batum and Webster in a time-sharish situation where both guys play 24 minutes per.
I agree
we have (had) a serious logjam at the 3. Outlaw, Webster, Cunningham, + Fernandez logged minutes at that position.
I’m going to give warning about Outlaw. He is one of the controversial players that we’ve had for the last 6 years. His potential is what everyone has waited for, but it’s not even that. Outlaw is a scorer, especially in the fourth quarter.
I think the main issue Blazer fans have had with him is that he puts on his crazy pants everytime he shoots. Don’t be alarmed though, his shooting percentages have been good on those. the common reaction has been,
“Oh Outlaw, no, no, no, no…. YEAAAAAAH!!!!!!”
What you get is a guy that’s got a pretty solid jump shot and can create a shot anytime on anyone. He has been our scoring spark off the bench for years. Probably could have started for us, but there just isn’t anyone else on our roster that can create like him, so he’s been perfect for the bench.
Beyond the one dribble, jump over the defender, dagger jumper. Outlaw last year added a spot up three to his game and has no qualms about taking the clutch shot. It was great last year with Roy obviously being a closer to have the option of Outlaw lickin’ his chops for the game-winning shot.
His defense has always been questionable as well as his desire to grab boards, but there were honestly signs of progress in those departments at the beginning of the year.
Right now about half of the Blazers fans are jumping up and down at Outlaw being moved. Whereas, I and the other half, are really going to miss him. He’s a legit player and a big reason to our success last year.
I'd say Thornton and Outlaw are very similar
Thornton gets to the line a bit more and Outlaw hits the 3 a bit better. I think if Outlaw were the full time starter last year you would have seen similar numbers to Thornton. Outlaw’s PER has been about 3 points higher than Thonton’s every year, though.
The problem is we don’t have room for Outlaw right now, a guy that’s loved by the team, so taking Thornton doesn’t help us.
"In Batum's case he must realize he is very likely the first Blazer to successfully fight over a pick all season..."
-Ben
Outlaw hits the 3 worse during the first three quarters
and way better in the fourth. Something about the guy doesn’t turn on until crunch time. Last year he was one of the top 10 fourth-quarter scorers in the league.
basically thornton is too short to defend at the 5 spot
blazers have been a fielding a soft 6-9 36 year old (j. howard), and a 6-9 2nd round rookie at the center; we need someone who can defend the center position, simple as that.
i think portland got the better deal, but don’t undervalue outlaw. he’s an incredibly explosive 4th quarter scorer. when he is on, his pull fadeaway 18 footer is pretty much impossible to stop. the key is how active he is on the boards; when he gets active on the offensive boards, he starts driving, and he can elevate over pretty much anyone; he becomes a very effective player.
imagine this scenario.. kaman in foul trouble, baron’s 3 not falling, offense stagnant. clips down by 7 with 8 minutes left in 4th quarter. outlaw comes in.. doesn’t matter if the offense is working because outlaw creates his own shot.
baron just has to learn to use outlaw’s talents the same way broy did — he could be an effective player.
and he is crazy clutch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2Z4nxdjpnE
Awesomeness (ô'səm-nes)
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by thomasikehara on Feb 15, 2010 11:42 PM PST up reply actions
maybe,
he has put on some upper body strength, and most likley be effective as a stretch 3/4 type player off the bench
Awesomeness (ô'səm-nes)
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2. n. Nicolas Batum
by thomasikehara on Feb 15, 2010 11:46 PM PST up reply actions
Recall correctly
Bah, can’t edit that previous post.
he shot a lot of threes last season. He’s a very effective corner shooter especially.
#52 #10 #25 #7
by Cablinasian on Feb 15, 2010 11:51 PM PST up reply actions
just be warned
most of his shots look horrible (crazy fades), but dont be surprised when they go in
Awesomeness (ô'səm-nes)
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2. n. Nicolas Batum
by thomasikehara on Feb 15, 2010 11:54 PM PST up reply actions
indeed
It’ll be like “OH NO WHY DID YOU SHOO…..oh that went in…nice”
"In Batum's case he must realize he is very likely the first Blazer to successfully fight over a pick all season..."
-Ben
LOL..
That’ll be refreshing.. because that’s not how the sentence usually ends for us.
"look, you can find any coach you want, bring him in here and run the situation. But I don't think they are going to do as good a job as I do." -Mike Dunleavy Sr.
by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Feb 16, 2010 12:00 AM PST up reply actions
ouch
also, I hope you like JUMP shots. Lots of emphasis on jump.
"In Batum's case he must realize he is very likely the first Blazer to successfully fight over a pick all season..."
-Ben
We like anything that goes through the hoop...
Doesn’t happen very often!
"look, you can find any coach you want, bring him in here and run the situation. But I don't think they are going to do as good a job as I do." -Mike Dunleavy Sr.
by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Feb 16, 2010 12:01 AM PST up reply actions
yeah
outlaw’s jumper is pretty much unblockable, as he gets up so high
Awesomeness (ô'səm-nes)
1. n. Something that inspires awe
2. n. Nicolas Batum
by thomasikehara on Feb 16, 2010 12:06 AM PST up reply actions
that never happens to us
“hell yea wide open shot!!……..NOOOOOO”
LOL! Yup!
"look, you can find any coach you want, bring him in here and run the situation. But I don't think they are going to do as good a job as I do." -Mike Dunleavy Sr.
by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Feb 16, 2010 12:30 AM PST up reply actions
The corner 3 was the best part of his game
It was the shot he took that never made you cringe. See above… even though he makes you cringe, the other ones still go in, especially in the fourth.
His PER is significantly better than AT
not to mention he’s comfortable coming off the bench, something we haven’t seen from AT all year. I haven’t seen him enough to gauge his defense but I doubt he can be significantly worse than Thornton. He’s also a solid 3 point shooter so he should play better with Kaman.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Feb 15, 2010 11:45 PM PST up reply actions
Thornton is a poor man’s Outlaw.
#52 #10 #25 #7
by Cablinasian on Feb 15, 2010 11:47 PM PST up reply actions
and outlaw is one hilarious dude
Awesomeness (ô'səm-nes)
1. n. Something that inspires awe
2. n. Nicolas Batum
by thomasikehara on Feb 15, 2010 11:59 PM PST up reply actions
sounds about right
he’s well suited to a 6th man roll. A guy who is allowed to take shots and score without worrying too much about deferring to the better players. He’s also good at the spot up 3 especially from the corner.
"In Batum's case he must realize he is very likely the first Blazer to successfully fight over a pick all season..."
-Ben
I understood the Mobley and TT trade
I understood trading away Randolph, but not CAMBY?
This trade is pointless. ASDF. There is no salary relief.
perhaps this was done to set another move. looking at baron, bobby, bassy, n blake it should be obvious that one or two of them are going to be on the move . we’ll just have to wait and see
How can we trade Bassy
without packaging him with Camby? Unless we are going to move DJ now I can’t see how anyone will take Bassy from us.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Feb 15, 2010 11:47 PM PST up reply actions
Right
What are our intentions, Dunleavy?
Maybe Blake is a rental, and Outlaw a keeper. Errrr, I guess.
But if the motivation is to get Outlaw, then why don’t we just sign him as a free agent in the off season? Having him for the rest of this season doesn’t do much for us.
Exactly
We could have made moving Telfair and Thornton the priority AND then if we struck out on the free agents we could sign Outlaw outright.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Feb 16, 2010 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
wow
were trading the second leading rebounder in the nba for a backup point guard and an often injured sf.Who does what thornton does.Wow i hope dumbleavy has something up his sleeve.If not he’s just as bad as a gm as a coach.
to be fair, Outlaw had only missed 1 game the previous 2 seasons
"In Batum's case he must realize he is very likely the first Blazer to successfully fight over a pick all season..."
-Ben
they should
throw in webster or batum this is just horrible.
Batum leaves Portland over the entire fanbase's dead bodies.
"Batum must be french for:
being at the right place at the right time"
- StudMuffin15 @ Rufus On Fire
"I don't always read blogs regarding the Trail Blazers
...but when I do... I read Blazers Edge."
- resurrect_ha28
by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Feb 16, 2010 9:57 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I'm sorry...
but, really how good do you think old Marcus Camby is?
Batum?
Even if the salaries worked, you wouldn’t get portland to trade Camby + Davis + a boat-load of cash to acquire Batum. Dude guards Aaron Brooks one night, then Dirk the next.
18.5 PER
that’s how good Camby is. You guys just scored a very good and productive player for peanuts. Good trade for, bad one for us fans.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Feb 16, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
Think we might be getting money back in the deal
that would make the salaries even
http://lasportsops.tumblr.com/
I somehow feels that if Outlaw comes into our training facility after the trade
His leg would suddenly snap and he’s out for the season.
maybe sadistic
but this made me chuckle
"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.
by cliptakular on Feb 15, 2010 11:52 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know
it seems like both franchises have an injury curse. Maybe they cancel each other out?
"In Batum's case he must realize he is very likely the first Blazer to successfully fight over a pick all season..."
-Ben
I know you have had a long history of injury problems
dating back to the Bowie or even Walton days.
But you cannot compare the injury histories of the Blazers and Clippers. Unless you’re only including this season, trust me, they do not cancel out.
I was going for this season
I definitely defer to the Clipper injury curse. I’m just trying to be sympathetic.
"In Batum's case he must realize he is very likely the first Blazer to successfully fight over a pick all season..."
-Ben
ramona tweets
ramonashelburne
Clippers acknowledge talks with Portland are ``substantive,‘’ but say deal isn’t done (yet)
Roger Sterling: To my knees, Don. They're bringing to my knees!"
In a text message to ESPNLosAngeles.com, Camby said that he “hadn’t heard anything about it” from either his agent or the Clippers. He has said that he would prefer to remain in Los Angeles, but he understands why his name continues to come up in trade talks.
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=4917644
Roger Sterling: To my knees, Don. They're bringing to my knees!"
I think CS has established that Dunleavy reads the Clipper Blogs
Hopefully these comments persuade Dunleavy or DTS not to do this trade.
At the very least
make sure they take Telfair. The players are going to be unhappy though, Camby is very popular in the locker room.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Feb 16, 2010 12:14 AM PST up reply actions
Cut him then
Or tell him to stay away and use his expiring deal next year in a package. This was a pure financial greed move for a team not even in financial trouble (a la the Hornets)… It wasn’t even a cap room as we still have the same cap hold.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Feb 16, 2010 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
wait..
let me get this straight and dear god tell me i’m wrong:
we just traded one of the only players with any heart for two lesser talents, and didn’t even open up a significant amount of cap space?
unless Dunleavy has another deal in the works, draft picks, or a verbal agreement with a top tier free agent (oh wait… verbal agreements never seem to work out for us… fElton!!!), I’d agree with whoever it was that said unless we can get some serious long term talent in the trade, the organization should sit on Camby’s contract and see what happens this summer.
by MagnusVonKilgore on Feb 16, 2010 12:14 AM PST reply actions
It seems Dun must be looking to resign a bunch of guys
and Outlaw and Blake give us more options. But having AT and Telfair still around is AWKWARD. I don’t get it. There’s got to be a plan to get rid of at least one of those guys.
On the brightside
Its been a while since we had an outlaw.. i always liked Bo
by MagnusVonKilgore on Feb 16, 2010 12:18 AM PST reply actions
UPDATE
One league source cautioned that the Blazers’ ownership had yet to sign off on the deal. The Denver Nuggets also are trying to make a last-ditch effort to bring back Camby before the Portland deal is finalized.
Looks like this trade is not over yet and is still in discussion
Camby is a wanted man
In a good way. I’m pretty sure other teams have offered MDsr something else previously, but after hearing about this deal in place, they had to revise theirs to get Camby. At least that’s how I see it.
What are the Nuggets going to give us? Kenyon Martin? pshhhh
"look, you can find any coach you want, bring him in here and run the situation. But I don't think they are going to do as good a job as I do." -Mike Dunleavy Sr.
by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Feb 16, 2010 12:36 AM PST up reply actions
Took a look at the Nuggets roster
and they don’t have any expiring contracts for us so unless we want to take back a longer contract there is no deal for us. The Heat are rumored to be interested as well and they have a ton of expiring contracts. We could get a draft pick and expirings for him then.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Feb 16, 2010 1:06 AM PST up reply actions
Hey, Portland has the best track record against LA in the last 5 years.
Until the beat us a few weeks ago (without Roy) LA lost 9 in a row up here and the way it is looking we’ll probably (hopefully) meet them in the first round of the playoffs.
UPDATE CONFIRMED
NOT a done deal folks. I’m praying that we’re just in serious talks but that MDsr hasn’t pulled the trigger on this. This is a pretty awful trade in my eyes. We are getting literally NOTHING if the trade goes through as is. Only hope is that this is the first step of a bigger scheme.
But again, ESPN says this is still just an idea as of now.
At least I'm also a Redskins fan... oh wait. My sports life sucks.
On another hand, all of this discussion is pretty good
We need to rec this up.
+1
9:21 LAC - Offensive foul on C. Smith
by LancasterGordon4Eva on Feb 16, 2010 12:34 AM PST up reply actions
Let me see if I understand this correctly.
Marcus Camby actually WANTS to be on the Clippers. And we decide to trade him
for two contracts that don’t even equal his?
What in the world would we do that for?
Is this just the Clippers being the Clippers?
I've got nothing.
This isn't the first time.
Mobley, Thomas & Z-Bo all wanted to be on the team and were traded.
by Lawler 4ever on Feb 16, 2010 1:10 AM PST up reply actions
Novak for starting Power Forward
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by LancasterGordon4Eva on Feb 16, 2010 12:54 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
“All your team does is acquire cheap young good players. Wouldn’t you want a guy like Al Thornton, who averaged 17 ppg last year? He’s on a relatively cheap rookie contract since he was drafted semi-late (14th overall).”
I’m not familiar with Thornton but the thing is, because Blazers are like a vacuum cleaner for cheap young good players. When healthy the team has about 12-13 players that all belong in the rotation. If this trade goes through I believe the purpose for it from the Blazers standpoint is to thin the herd, and get a half-season rent-a-center in exchange. (although my hope would be that the team would be able to get him to like the place well enough to do a new contract)
Not sure why the Clippers do it though. The only logical reason for a team to do it would seem to me if they are in the reverse situation to the Blazers, not having enough players as opposed to the Blazers problem of having too many players.
a few points
Assuming the trade is Camby for Outlaw + Blake + ca$h, I believe:
1. Neither Outlaw nor Blake can be traded for the remainder of the season.
2. The Clippers save some money this year (the prorated portion of the $1.3M salary difference), plus get whatever cash in the deal.
3. The roster goes up to 16, meaning someone else has to get dealt or bought out.
4. Nothing changes as far as cap space for the FA class of 2010.
So…
Why make this trade? Nothing else better is available? The only logical reason (aside from saving/making money, which benefits DTS and DTS alone) is to have the Bird rights of Outlaw and Blake. Otherwise…
This trade only pisses off Camby, the players, and the fans.
Maybe thats it
the team clearly wants to piss us off. After all we have been spoiled the past 3 years as we’ve had so many great and positive memories to fall back on. Oh wait…
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Feb 16, 2010 1:39 AM PST up reply actions
Let's hope this doesn't go down, but if does
then I’m very sure that it won’t be the Clippers only trade. There will be more to come. It’s rebuilding and tanking time for the Clippers. We got Griffin, now let’s get Wall!
by DonaldSterlingSucks on Feb 16, 2010 2:25 AM PST reply actions
the clips could still sign camby after the season
camby can go play for a playoff team for 33 games and if he really wants to stay, the clips can sign him after the season is over…there isnt anything to stop them from doing that…i would rather have outlaw coming off the bench for scoring than thornton who is just a one one player and doesnt seem to have a good basketball iq…and blake is better than our backups…if we get a draft pick as well, so much the better.
Odd that the trade hasn't gone through yet
makes you wonder if the clips are biding their time for another offer to be made, it sounds like Denver is trying to make a deal for Camby.
" Baron for the win, BINGO!!!! The Clipers Win, The Clippers win!!! "
Ralph Lawler
does the team get reimbursed for actually bringing him to Portland!!?
Roger Sterling: To my knees, Don. They're bringing to my knees!"
by Lawler's Law on Feb 16, 2010 9:13 AM PST up reply actions
I will allow this trade
If the Rose Garden throws in its beer selection.
I’ve seen reports that the Clippers are one of the teams teetering on profitability this year. A few more million probably seals the deal.
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
by John R on Feb 16, 2010 8:31 AM PST via mobile reply actions
wojo tweets
WojYahooNBA
Blazers send Travis Outlaw, Steve Blake and $3 million to Clippers for Marcus Camby. 28 minutes ago from web
Roger Sterling: To my knees, Don. They're bringing to my knees!"
dear god
I'm nobody's fool, least of all yours
by BoulderDodger on Feb 16, 2010 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
F DTS
F him, I sincerely hope bad things happen to him.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Feb 16, 2010 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
$3million included in deal! woohoo!
Roger Sterling: To my knees, Don. They're bringing to my knees!"
Man
See that’s BS, instead of taking $3million, just have Portland take Bassy. They aren’t under the cap yet they also aren’t over the luxury tax.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Feb 16, 2010 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
It's a damn shame
How does Dunleavy keep failing upwards like this? I have a great idea, take the one guy who actually gives a damn and not only wants to be a Clipper now, but wanted to resign and trade him away for a mediocre point guard and a small forward who can’t shoot and is basically a weaker copy of the SF you took out of the starting lineup and are trying to get rid of. Did we get a 1st round pick or one of the players Portland has stashed in Europe that may play sometime soon? No? And no other playoff contender made a better offer? Did you call anyone else, Mike? Or were you at the Big Lots buying more pinstriped suits?
Oh, that’s right, Sterling is getting another 3 million dollars, so the Clippers will make a profit. I hate this guy so much….I don’t know how you can be in a room with him and not want to bitchslap him. I put this in the trade machine and it blew up.
I live in a world where two of my favorite teams (Clippers and Pirates) are owned by oblivious ciphers who only care about making money and have no problem winning 33% of their games as long as they have good stadiums (that are half full) and get revenue sharing. I’m not a child, I know if Sterling had his way, he’d have 12 minimum contract players (preferably Caucasian, but that’s another story). Every time I see something good happen, three things happen that obliterate that spark of hope . But they won’t break my spirit. Not until Sterling and Dunleavy trade Blake Griffin for Peter Griffin and a Homer Simpson to be named later.
PLAY NOVAK
now that there is no hope for even winning
novak should play & dj
by Piatkowski fan! on Feb 16, 2010 9:41 AM PST reply actions
Tank Time
It can be our new motto, much like “we believe” for BD’s former team. Lets make signs!
by MagnusVonKilgore on Feb 16, 2010 9:59 AM PST reply actions
Nevermind. I'll be optimistic.
I can’t wait to see what Dunleavy has planned for the next two days!!! (strained optimism)
by MagnusVonKilgore on Feb 16, 2010 10:12 AM PST reply actions
STEIN_LINE_HQ
Sources say Clips received $1.5 million from Portland in Camby deal, half of maximum $3 million teams can add in trades http://bit.ly/dbKQ27
Roger Sterling: To my knees, Don. They're bringing to my knees!"
not even $3mil!
Roger Sterling: To my knees, Don. They're bringing to my knees!"
by Lawler's Law on Feb 16, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
2 mill in incentives
that Camby was due, so I guess that amounts to 3.5 million?
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Feb 16, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
Hey Clips fans
I’ve been throwing my 2 cents in, I hope I haven’t upset anyone. I just was curious how you guys felt about this deal and also wanted to share what I’ve watched with these players over the last 6 years.
Blake, is a sharpshooter. His mechanics are ugly and he has been in a slump. But, still he will garner respect at the three point line. Any team that cheats off of him is asking for trouble. He’s a smart ball-handler and has always had a great assist-TO ratio.
Camby is gone for the season, but I don’t see Portland trying to or even Camby accepting to resign with us. If he is a valuable component in the long-haul for you guys (is he?) you’ll be able to get him back on the cheap after the season.
Outlaw is relatively unknown, but has been our third-leading scorer, behind Brandon Roy and LaMarcus Aldridge for years. He’s still young and he can create shots anywhere, anytime, plus he has never once bitched about being a bench/role player. He’s clutch in the fourth and honestly his 3ball has to be respected (at least in the fourth, don’t ask me why)
Once again, I hope I didn’t ruffle any feathers out here. I just wanted to share a Northern viewpoint on the players you guys are getting.
I don't think Camby would want to come back
not after this debacle. It’s feel bad that a dedicated player like Marcus got dealt off so shoddily.
9:21 LAC - Offensive foul on C. Smith
by LancasterGordon4Eva on Feb 16, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
*I feel bad
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by LancasterGordon4Eva on Feb 16, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
Nope
He’s gone for sure now. The team dropped the ball on this and that bridge is now burned.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Feb 16, 2010 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks for the input
This trade makes a lot of sense for the Blazers, both financially (making the playoffs makes back the $3 million) and on the court (obvious need at Center). For us, we don’t see nearly the benefit and we didn’t accomplish what should be our number one goal (unloading Telfair or Thornton). I don’t know if Outlaw is our eventual answer at the 3 but it seemed unnecessary to trade for him if we could have signed him outright in the off-season.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Feb 16, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
Oh I see what Dunleavy is doing.....
He is looking to destroy this franchise after he steps down or was pushed out.
The old double birds and back out
Its a good move.
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
its my hope that this is part of something larger....i guess we'll all know by thursday...maybe some of these expiring contracts will be used in other more profitable trades
by whyamiaclippersfan on Feb 16, 2010 11:58 AM PST reply actions
Maybe
but we just cut Ricky… I assume we can’t trade his expiring to anyone then?
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Feb 16, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
well its ricky davis, i dont think he's in that much demand or he would never have signed with the clips in the first place...i'm sure the clips can just sign him again after the trade deadline..
by whyamiaclippersfan on Feb 16, 2010 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
Not my point
He had a 2.5 million contract, teams love expiring deals. We could have packaged him with other expirings for a player signed to a longer term deal.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Feb 16, 2010 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
http://www.nba.com/news/features/2010.trade.deadline.tracker/index.html
“… Camby, who was unhappy with his role in L.A. …”
Blazers fan here
thanks for Camby. and no ur not getting a draft pick or a euro player. we just hustled ur embarassing front office. im sorry slippers fans
look what nba.com said.....
Instant Analysis (Feb. 16): The injury-plagued Blazers receive some needed frontcourt help in Camby, who was unhappy with his role in L.A. and should help the Blazers immediately in their playoff push. The Clips get a solid backup for Baron Davis (Blake) and help at small forward (Outlaw). To make room on the roster, the Clippers waived Ricky Davis.
not that is retarded…..
I am very sad to see camby go, however I feel this move was inevitable..especially as a step toward youth and moving forward. (cross fingers of resigning him in the offseason though!)
i saw, if/when he retires…clippers should bring him (camby) and mobley back (in the FO though). they are, were, and will be great for the organization. They don’t have to be assistant coaches, scouts would be nice, or trainers, anything of that such

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