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Poll: Do You Like The Camby Trade?

First off I would like to say a big "Thank You" to Mr. Marcus Camby. I appreciated his effort and his great attitude while playing with the Clippers. I truly wish he could have ended his career here.

The Poll: Do You Like the Camby Trade?

I know many of you may feel like the answer to that is "Yes" AND "No" but when push comes to shove, would you have pulled the trigger if you were GM and this was the exact offer?

Details to Think About - IMHO (Short answers, to the best of my knowledge - feel free to correct me)

1. Does this affect the Clippers option of offering big money to a free agent in the coming offseason?

NO. Camby, Blake & Outlaw all have expiring contracts. They are all free agents at the the end of this season. Potential cap space has not been affected for better or worse.

2. Does this affect the Clippers ability of offering big money to a free agent in the coming offseason?

YES. True, we don't know for sure how much money the Clippers got to do this...Steve says $3M while BlazersEdge has Bucher reporting $1.5M. Of course, the Clippers just put out a vague "cash considerations".

BlazersEdge made a good point that Camby has some incentive money coming to him at the end of the season.

"Pritchard told me the Blazers are fully on the hook for the bonus provisions in Camby's contract, which could reach roughly $2 million dollars. Roughly $1.5 million of those provisions are considered "likely" to be achieved according to ShamSports.comESPN's Marc Stein is also reporting that the Blazers threw in $1.5 million dollars to complete the deal."

So that may be where Steve got the $3M total from. Either way that's money they can use to chase a big name in the summer.

3. How does this affect the Clippers on the court this season?

Positives

A. Outlaw has the potential to be the starting SF when fully recovered. I think he's better than Butler or Thornton.
B. Blake is a very decent PG off the bench. Just don't ask him to make free throws to clinch a game.
C. DeAndre Jordan gets more game time, hopefully develops into starting caliber center or very good backup.

Negatives

A. Loss of great mentor, hustle player, massive rebounder & shot blocker in Camby.
B. Rasual or Thornton may have to go. One or both may be unhappy about losing minutes to Outlaw.
C. Chemistry. A new coach plus two new players and the loss of a starter doesn't sound like wins to me.

For more in-depth discussions and arguments for and against see comments in Steve's post.

Things That Make You Go Hmmmmmmm

Why did they waive Ricky Davis? Why didn't they waive Bobby Brown?

From what I've seen so far, Bobby Brown has looked awful. So I can only assume one of two things. 1 - He is actually a decent point guard but we haven't seen it in a game yet. OR 2 - He's a 3rd string point guard being kept on for emergencies. (I guess both could be true, but I doubt #1...)

But shouldn't Telfair be the 3rd string now behind Blake?

Yes. So either Telfair is not recovering well from injury OR Dunleavy has plans to dump his contract, freeing up even more money for a big offer to a free agent this summer. (Again, both could be true technically but who would want a gimpy PG with a contract running into next season?)

Does This Mean Al Thornton's a Bust?

In my book, yes. I was hoping Al Thornton could be as good or better than Maggette but it doesn't look that way at this point. Bringing in Outlaw feels to me like a signal that Dunleavy is dun with Al. Either Outlaw impresses us tremendously this year and earns himself a contract or the Clips go shopping in the summer for a brand new SF.

Poll
Do you like the Camby trade?
Yes
59 votes
No
96 votes

155 votes | Poll has closed

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I do.

But I’m a Blazer fan.

I'm not saying, I'm just saying.

by RyanRTE on Feb 16, 2010 2:55 PM PST reply actions  

We got rid of a guy that lacks offense on a team that needs to put more points on the board.

And got two real Good players in return.

Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.

by HVYDRT007 on Feb 16, 2010 3:15 PM PST reply actions  

I like Blazer fans

They have nothing else in that barren tree land. I think Camby won’t work well in the immediate uptempo offense that Kim wants to run. I’m 27 and can’t run a mile. Camby is 35. He will not keep up with Baron, EJ and everyone else.

by Akram47 on Feb 16, 2010 3:17 PM PST reply actions  

What?

He was keeping up with Baron, EJ and everyone else just fine.

by ClipCat on Feb 16, 2010 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

He is only "old" as a professional athlete.

There is no way you can compare yourself to any current professional athlete at any age. Even a 42 year old professional athlete, in any sport, will completely destroy a non-athlete who tries to compete with him in his profession.

"Excellence...is not an act, but a habit" Aristotle

by Cliptomaniac on Feb 16, 2010 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Be that as it may...

He is still 35 and will not keep up in an up-tempo system.

by Akram47 on Feb 16, 2010 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Steve Nash is also 35.

And he seems to “keep up” just fine.

"Excellence...is not an act, but a habit" Aristotle

by Cliptomaniac on Feb 16, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry, my bad.

Steve Nash is 36.

"Excellence...is not an act, but a habit" Aristotle

by Cliptomaniac on Feb 16, 2010 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Try again.

Nash has played in an up-tempo system for the last 8 years. He plays soccer all of-season. How does that example translate to a 35 year old 7 footer being able to run all game? On top that play at the PF position?

by Akram47 on Feb 16, 2010 4:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Good point.

I liked Camby and hated to see him go. That’s probably the reason behind my back and forth with you. But chances are they will play him at limited minutes, so he should be able to hang in spurts. Also, remember Juwan Howard is currently their starting center, and he went from limited minutes to starter minutes at age 37. So I think Camby will be more than ready by playoff time.

"Excellence...is not an act, but a habit" Aristotle

by Cliptomaniac on Feb 16, 2010 4:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Im with you.

Whenever I see the clippers made money of a trade deal all i think of in my head are the over weight escorts that Donald Sterling brings to the basketball games and that we’ll never see that money come back to anything positive. We have trade exceptions that we haven’t spent. What makes you think they’ll spend any of that 3 mill? With that said I’d rather keep Camby and resign him for less next season. Second best rebounder in the NBA is too much to let go.

by Akram47 on Feb 16, 2010 4:32 PM PST up reply actions  

We could still resign him, no?

But if he’s going to take Vet’s minimum, he’d probably get that from Lakers or some other city his family likes.

I think he’d be a great Skinner for the Clips next year. But he’s probably too talented to accept that if he’s still able to play at a high level…

by moKi on Feb 16, 2010 4:36 PM PST up reply actions  

haha

Did you watch the Golden State Game??

by Akram47 on Feb 16, 2010 3:22 PM PST reply actions  

HAHA

Deandre Jordan did better individually with less time played. He’s a center playing at the PF position. We immediately get exposed when an athletic PF gets on the floor. Ask Camby if he’ll remember the name Anthony Tolliver? Anthony who? Exactly my point.

by Akram47 on Feb 16, 2010 3:28 PM PST reply actions  

I said "yes".

Only if we can keep these guys for next season if we don’t land a major FA this off season (Lebron, Wade, Bosh).

"Excellence...is not an act, but a habit" Aristotle

by Cliptomaniac on Feb 16, 2010 3:31 PM PST reply actions  

this is dependent on another move

if another move is made with the TPE and the extra cash then yes I like this trade as long as it adds up to the big picture of getting us in the max contract range. Sure, we are placing a lot of eggs in one basket, but let’s be realistic here; the pieces that we have traded (camby) and the pieces that we are shopping really aren’t going to be the major cogs in our future plans. I like the fact that DTS has obviously made it clear that he has given Dun the instructions to go for the homerun with a big FA in the offseason. This trade makes it painfully obvious that a player like Iggy was not available before the deadline

by bacek on Feb 16, 2010 3:49 PM PST reply actions  

I say no...

I really think we could’ve got at least a 2nd round pick, or got rid of Bassy or Thornton.. Also, I know that we won’t make the playoffs, but this is definitely throwing up the white flag.. and I think that’s a slap in the face to the people that pay THOUSANDS of dollars for season seats.

I wasn’t opposed to trading Camby, but it just seems like we could’ve got much more.

"look, you can find any coach you want, bring him in here and run the situation. But I don't think they are going to do as good a job as I do." -Mike Dunleavy Sr.

by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Feb 16, 2010 5:22 PM PST reply actions  

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