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Portland 109 - Clippers 87 - Incoherent

Watching the Clippers since Kim Hughes took over as coach, one word keeps going through my head - incoherent.  Nothing the team does seems to make any sense.  Now, I'm not necessarily blaming Hughes.  Maybe the players have decided to mail in the rest of the season and can't be bothered to focus on basketball.  Or maybe it is the pain of transitioning to a new coach with a new system.  But I don't think I've seen a cohesive offensive set in the Hughes era.  And the defense is marked by lapses like leaving Juwan Howard all alone under the basket on an inbounds play.  Painful, bewildering basketball that is... well... incoherent.

The Clippers have for awhile been the anti-synergy team, where the sum of the parts is less than the whole.   So what happens when even the parts aren't any good?  In his first game since playing in his first all star game, Chris Kaman went 1 for 6 for 4 points to go along with 7 (SEVEN!) turnovers in 27 minutes.  The other Clipper to have made an all star team, Baron Davis, had 6 points on 3 for 11 shooting and 5 (FIVE!) turnovers in 30 minutes.  So if you're keeping score at home, that's two 'all stars' (making $22.5M between them, FYI), scoring 10 points while shooting 23.5% and committing 12 turnovers.  That would be difficult for any team to overcome.

Star-divide

The funny thing about this game is that I didn't really want to watch it.  I didn't get to start it until almost 11, and I didn't really want to stay up this late.  And then, I couldn't even go as fast through the DVR controls as I wanted to because of all the special guests on the broadcast.  Milph spoke to MDsr, Dain Blanton spoke to Kevin Pritchard, the Milph spoke to Steve Blake.  And even though no one really said anything, I felt like I had to listen.

Milph did give us a shout out of sorts, when they said "Some bloggers and cynical fans have suggested that this trade was just about money."  How dare those bloggers and fans?  GMMDsr explained how nothing could be further from the truth - how the Bird rights to two nice young players are just so super-valuable that you couldn't possibly pass them up.  Of course, he also mentioned the cap space the Clippers will have this summer, failing to elucidate that those two things are mutually exclusive - you can't have the Bird rights of these players AND cap space.  Which tended to make his explanation, somewhat ... what's the word? ... incoherent.  But why quibble?  The point is, the trade was not about money, even if it's not clear what it was about.

Back to the game - the Clippers third brutally difficult to witness effort in four outings - about the only bright spot was the performance of DeAndre Jordan.  He went for a 14-11 double-double in 27 minutes, and also blocked 3 shots.  He was 7 for 8 from the field, with four dunks.  If he could make a free throw, he'd be a pretty good player right now.  All he has to do to be very effective in this league is rebound, block shots, finish around the rim, play solid post defense and make free throws.  He's got the first threee things down pretty well, and there's no reason to think he can't get better at the last two.  Anything else he does - like for instance developing some sort of post game on offense - is just gravy.

On the other end of both the salary and effectiveness spectrum, Baron and Kaman have got to figure out if they're going to play any more this season.  I'm sure it must be hard to get motivated when you know the post-season is out of reach.  But one would hope that some level of professional pride would kick in, and they'd play hard (a) for the fans and (b) because they are paid to do so.  We'll see.  Four games down, 29 to go, and we haven't seen anything worth watching yet.

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Saw this coming a mile away.

Kaman being the stiff he is and Baron hogging the playing time he doesn’t deserve. If neither one of them doesn’t show the sense of pride against the Hawks tonight, they should sit out the rest of the season and let the “real” players get a shot at their playing time (ie DJ, Gordon, and Bobby). If Baron and Kaman still want to play significant minutes after another mediocre performance against the Hawks, maybe they both should be traded because I don’t give a damn anymore. Not showing up for your team is one thing, but not showing up for the fans who pay to watch this team is plain disgusting.

by roaddoggdx78 on Feb 17, 2010 1:11 AM PST reply actions  

Baron Davis isn't a pro, he should be ashamed of his play!

He is doing what he does every season. I hope every single one of his fans see now what I was talking about. The guy is one of the worst point guards in the NBA. Just look at Andre Miller’s game tonight. The guy did it all!

I bet Baron doesn’t out play a single point guard the rest of the season. After a night like tonight and the last few months he has had, the guy is worthless.

In the month of Feb the Clippers are 1-5 and Baron sure isn’t stepping his game up!

4.3 turnovers a game, 9.8 points per game, 6.6 assists a game, 33% shooting and 25% 3 point shooting.

I just wonder if the Clippers give a free agent a max salary, will Baron Davis quit on the team? Or will he be unhappy becuase he is no longer the highest paid player on the team? Really, does any free agent such as Joe Johnson, Rudy Gay, Chris Bosh, Dwyane Wade, or Lebron James even want to play with Baron? I wouldn’t to if this is the type of player he is.

I think Baron has worn out his welcome as a Clipper. It has come to my conclusion that Baron is not the point guard the Clippers thought they were signing for millions upon millions of dollars.

"Basketball is life"

by NBAFAN8 on Feb 17, 2010 1:12 AM PST reply actions  

I agree with you all the way.

Looking at the past opposing guards that Baron had to guard since Kim Hughes gave him his “freedom”:

George Hill: 22 points 8-11 shooting, 2 turnovers.
Deron Williams: 13 points, 11 assists, 6 rebounds, 3 turnovers.
Stephen Curry: monster triple double (FROM A ROOKIE!!!!)
Andre Miller: 10 points, 12 assists, 6 rebounds, 1 turnover.

Baron can’t D up anyone. He can’t even put up decent stats for himself.

Gordon needs to grow up and be a man, and take the reigns away from this clown.

by roaddoggdx78 on Feb 17, 2010 1:29 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm courtside for the game

wondering what I’ll do if we get blownout by 30 by halftime. I really want a chant “Sterling Sucks” at some point.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Feb 17, 2010 1:28 AM PST reply actions  

Courtside?

Wow. I wouldn’t want to be that close to whats going to happen tonight. I’m a season ticket holder as well with pretty decent seats (not courtside though) and I wish I could give these tickets away! I am so disgusted with this team right now…

"Excellence...is not an act, but a habit" Aristotle

by Cliptomaniac on Feb 17, 2010 10:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Boy, oh boy.

Baron and Kaman really stunk it up tonight. Baron has been particularly awful of late as most of you have mentioned. He’s been sucking it up in every aspect of the game. Everything he has done over the past 4 or 5 games seems to hurt more than help. I don’t get it. Is he just a quitter? He seems fairly disinterested and apathetic. I understand that it can’t feel good to be on the outside of the playoff picture, but have some pride, dude.

Or maybe he’s just not as good as we all want him to be. I definitely can say that we will not have much success if he is going to be our leader/“best player”…

Ugh.

At least I'm also a Redskins fan... oh wait. My sports life sucks.

by Clipper T on Feb 17, 2010 1:46 AM PST reply actions  

The bench really closed the gap in the 4th, thanks to some outstanding play from DeAndre and Bobby Brown, but then Hughes took them out and put Baron and Kaman back in and boom instant collapse and a 22 point loss. I just don’t understand the logic behind that move, if there was any. It was obvious Kaman and Baron both having dismal nights (again) and if you want to win then leave the guys on the floor who deserve to be there.

9:21 LAC - Offensive foul on C. Smith

by LancasterGordon4Eva on Feb 17, 2010 2:16 AM PST reply actions  

I couldn't understand the move, either.

We cut it to 5, then Hughes brings in the starters. There’s absolutely nothing different with Huges, and dare I say it, the team is WORSE without CMMDSr.

"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's doing down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.

by Gordon for President on Feb 17, 2010 9:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Honestly i have totally lost all interest in the Clippers since the Warriors loss. I don’t know, it may be a combination of Baron & Kaman deciding not to play and also trading Camby . A good way to sum up tonight’s game up would be simply “meh”

by Sam50 on Feb 17, 2010 3:23 AM PST reply actions  

"incoherent" is good. i prefer "lifeless soulless crapfest"

The offense is painful to watch, the turnovers are just plain ridiculous. They double the wrong people, the rotations on defense are late…it’s really bad. I have a feeling buying the 2nd half league pass “special” is gonna go down as one of my worst investments.

by Joe Wolf's Mullet on Feb 17, 2010 3:48 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Novel Concept

Bench Baron and Kamen. That’s all there is to it. If they are simply going through the motions it’s not fair. Put guys out there that have something to play for, be it pride or the next contract. This means a lot more of DJ and Smith. Bassy and Blake should each get 20+ MPG. And the Clips should be all up-tempo all the time.

The logic behind playing Bassy more is twofold: A) He always gives maximum effort regardless of record or score, and B) If he shows what he can do for the last 20 games of the season, he’ll position himself better for another contract and will be far more likely to opt-out .

Playing the guys that have something on the line may not win many games, but the team will hustle and the games will at least be competitive for three quarters and they’ll steal a few.

by SFJ on Feb 17, 2010 4:56 AM PST reply actions  

Dunleavy used "stocks" as an analogy to knowing when to trade a player

Well Mr. Dunleavy, you have a wonderful stock to trade at this moment. Chris Kaman

DJ is the future at center. The dude is awesome!

by big0lbad on Feb 17, 2010 7:10 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Dunleavy used "stocks" as an analogy to knowing when to trade a player

Well Mr. Dunleavy, you have a wonderful stock to trade at this moment. Chris Kaman

DJ is the future at center. The dude is awesome!

by big0lbad on Feb 17, 2010 7:10 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Don't jump to conclusions

based off one bad game. DJ is still very raw, can’t demand double teams (probably can’t pass out of them yet either), can’t shoot free throws and has limited post moves. Trading a player of Kaman’s stature and pay isn’t easy, we certainly shouldn’t settle for a injured and aging Tayshaun Prince.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Feb 17, 2010 7:23 AM PST up reply actions  

from what i have seen from DJ,

He has the tools, and smarts to be a damn good basketball player.

On a side note, I do love Chris but maybe a change of scenery would do him some good. He has said in the past he doesn’t like the city of LA, comparing it to sin city.

by big0lbad on Feb 17, 2010 8:21 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

DJ and Kaman

DJ isn’t ready to play major minutes yet, not for a good team anyways. He can get all the minutes he wants for the rest of this season since its effectively over anyways but he’s still has some big holes in his game.

Moving Kaman by Thursday will be tough, at best we’d get some expiring contracts out of it. Would be better off waiting until the summer to move him.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Feb 17, 2010 8:39 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't know what's going on during the huddles and on the sidelines

but as a coach how do you not pull these guys aside and say, “What the f**k is that sh**t out there?” We need a drill Sargent as a coach. These guys don’t need a buddy coaching them. They need someone who will tear apart their ego, thus, hopefully, forcing them to prove their worth. Though wouldn’t be surprised if half of them gave up and walked off the court, because that’s what these guys are; a bunch of quitters getting paid millions. Just goes to show the makeup of this team, things get tough and they phone it in.

by dulciusEXasperis on Feb 17, 2010 7:58 AM PST reply actions  

During the last few games...

There were a couple of times during these last few games when I wanted to see a college-style five player substitution. I’ve never seen an NBA coach do that, but sometimes you have to send the message that if you’re not playing, someone else will. Nothing like benching all five starters for five bench players to say “You guys aren’t doing it, and you won’t play if you don’t play hard.”

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Feb 17, 2010 9:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah completely agree

Hughes has nothing to lose at this point. So what if you upset your players. This is your job and these “starters” have put you in a 0-4 hole to start off your head coaching career. Make a statement or he’ll never win a game. I think he’d get more respect and a better team if he started playing guys who want to be out there and are playing the right way. Look at last night. F**king Bobby Brown damn near single handedly brought this team back to life, if only for a minute.

What the hell does that tell you? And no, it wasn’t a fluke.

by dulciusEXasperis on Feb 17, 2010 9:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Hughes has nothing to lose

But the Clippers organization still does.

There is a year after this year, after all, and for now Baron Davis and Chris Kaman are a part of that.

Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball

by John R on Feb 17, 2010 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't care who you are

you’re sitting on the bench if you’re not going to try out there. You see plenty of coaches benching their players (even stars) for playing lazy uninspired basketball. The players complain and then they get over it; or they get traded and it works out for both parties lol.

by dulciusEXasperis on Feb 17, 2010 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Or they don't

This isn’t personal, but it seems like it is a theme around here that noone considers the possibility that change might actually make things worse, when patience alone might make them better.

Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball

by John R on Feb 17, 2010 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

It sure looks like those guys will be bummed out by that

I am told this is an example of a “not” joke.

They aren’t college kids. They get paid either way.

What is all this outrage about anyway? You fire the coach the team quits. Especially if some of the players may have actually liked the coach.

I mean Baron doesn’t have an excuse. This is what he wanted all along right?

Kobe and the Lakers quit on that season when Rudy T left. This is how these things go. Take a valium and enjoy the ride.

Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball

by John R on Feb 17, 2010 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Doesn't this disprove your theory?

Even if it’s on the smallest of scales, doesn’t this mean that coaches matter?

At least I'm also a Redskins fan... oh wait. My sports life sucks.

by Clipper T on Feb 17, 2010 1:56 PM PST up reply actions  

A question a long time coming

Its not Hughes qua Hughes that matters. It proves firing your coach mid-season and running out an interim matters.

It sends a strong signal for the players to quit.

If the Clippers were to miraculously land Lebron and Hughes remained as coach, I am confident they would be contenders.

Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball

by John R on Feb 17, 2010 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

They might be contenders,

but there are too many variables in there to rule out coaching as a part of the potential future success. So let’s stick to part about you finally coming clean…

I’m pretty sure you just said something about a coach, followed by “matters”.

I’m I correct?

At least I'm also a Redskins fan... oh wait. My sports life sucks.

by Clipper T on Feb 17, 2010 3:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Sure

But, “As for the coach, there is absolutely nothing about who he is that matters” could be parsed the same way.

The work has been done to examine those variables. With very, very few exceptions that are tough to differentiate from something like having Air Jordan on your team, coaches don’t matter.

Hence the shorthand, coaches don’t matter.

Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball

by John R on Feb 17, 2010 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry dude

But you can’t say that coaches don’t matter, or who the coach is doesn’t matter, when you just said that they/he does matter. Or at least, you can’t say it with any credibility.

At least I'm also a Redskins fan... oh wait. My sports life sucks.

by Clipper T on Feb 17, 2010 6:20 PM PST up reply actions  

But I didn't say coaches matter

That’s you putting words in my mouth. The act of firing a coach can matter. Who was the coach before and who becomes the coach after, does not.

These ideas are not in conflict in any way.

Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball

by John R on Feb 17, 2010 7:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I think

these ideas are ultimately in conflict… and we can leave it at that for now.

At least I'm also a Redskins fan... oh wait. My sports life sucks.

by Clipper T on Feb 18, 2010 12:34 AM PST up reply actions  

This is why the Blazer player call their coach, "Sarge".

Because he does exactly that.

"Batum must be french for:
being at the right place at the right time"
- StudMuffin15 @ Rufus On Fire

"I don't always read blogs regarding the Trail Blazers
...but when I do... I read Blazers Edge."
- resurrect_ha28

by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Feb 17, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

As so many have eluded to ..

the two go-to players that we’d seen develop such chemistry and on-court trust have disappeared. First it was Kaman’s Vitamin D deficiency, then his ankle, and now he’s tired from all the traveling he’s done. Oh, and Baron has to have nagging injuries as well, right? I mean why else would he fail to show up for a year and a half?

All sarcasm aside, I think it’s safe to assume Kaman never has nor will be the cerebral player that this team craves. Surely he’s one of the better centers in the league but the intangibles (turnovers, settling on jumpers, missing the “gimmee’s”) aren’t there. But Baron, the Bearded Leader that was meant to take this team to the promise land? Where are you? What happened to all that off-season talk of “I’ve changed” and “I’m taking this team on my back” (paraphrasing, of course)? The worst part is that a lot of us bought his hype and were sold on his rhetoric. Good thing is that we have 3.25 years left and we truly know that actions speak louder than words.

My brother made a great point when he said that Baron Davis and Deron Williams are pretty much the same, only that Deron Williams decides to show up every night and Baron takes nights off. Like another Citizen said earlier, I wouldn’t be opposed to seeing Baron being benched for his poor play. Bobby Brown, a player that could have been cut instead of Ricky D., out played him by a wide margin last night. And did anyone else notice that when the Clippers cut it to 5 and brought back Baron and Kaman is when the Blazers pulled away?

For shame, Baron Davis.

by yaggiefresh on Feb 17, 2010 8:49 AM PST reply actions  

positives?

Well all this talk is really depressing, so I just wanted to bring up a few point about last night that I liked.

- EJ actually took a lot more shots. I think he realized Kamen and BD just didn’t have it last night. This is the Gordon I want to see more in the future!

- DJ’s defense. Earlier in the game I thought he played a lot better defense than from the beginning of the season, where he’s consistantly leaving his man open inside for a dunk when trying to get a block. He’s changed up his habit finally and played better interior D.

- Brown’s play. He clearly wanted to play A LOT MORE than Baron last night. Let him get some mins.

by zac4president on Feb 17, 2010 9:08 AM PST reply actions  

Good point

Those positives were definitely refreshing and, with EJ taking more shots, was a pleasant sight to the mind, body and soul.

by yaggiefresh on Feb 17, 2010 9:10 AM PST up reply actions  

it it safe to say out of the top ten in the mega draft Kaman is the second worse player than Darko

Kaman has done nothing in this league has not led this team to anything what a waste of a player

by KillaClip on Feb 17, 2010 9:09 AM PST reply actions  

No, seriously?

Kirk Heinrich, TJ Ford, Michael Sweetney, and Jarvis Hayes are all better than Kaman? I know emotions are high right now but let’s not be irrational.

by yaggiefresh on Feb 17, 2010 9:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Haha

Yep, looks like we had the same thought

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Feb 17, 2010 9:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Wow ridiculous statement

TJ Ford, Mike Sweetney, Jarvis Hayes and Kirk Hinrich all better than him? Obvious Melo, Wade, Bosh and Lebron are better but they were all off the board. This guy is the first Los Angeles Clipper WE drafted to make the all-star game since Danny Manning and we’ve had a lot of high picks since then! I know he’s played like crap the past few games but cmon guys, these statements are out of control.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Feb 17, 2010 9:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Also to note what has Kaman done that seperates him from all those other guys

before this season he was known around the league as a injury prone center with inconsistent play. Kaman has a handed All-Star bid to him and has one playoff run with the team.

by KillaClip on Feb 17, 2010 9:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Umm

Ford missed a couple of years and almost retired due to a spine injury, Sweetney and Hayes aren’t even in the league anymore and Hinrich is shooting 39% now and can be had by anyone for basically expiring contracts. Kaman had a terrific year 2 years ago before he got injured, this year he’s been more consistent and relatively healthy. You are crazy to suggest Hayes and Sweetney in the conversation. At least Ford and Hinrich have had some good years in their careers.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Feb 17, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Hmmm...

So are you saying that Kaman was the weakest play (other than Darko out of the top 5 in his draft? Just to make sure, you’re saying that he’s not as good as LeBron, Melo, Bosh or DWade, but he is better Darko. Wow. What a bold statement. You’re really going out on a limb there.

BTW, Kaman was drafted 6th, so saying he’s only better than one of the top five picks is a compliment.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Feb 17, 2010 9:38 AM PST up reply actions  

As far as impact yes were is the porgression with Kaman where is the development over the years

Having Chris Kaman on the team and only having one playoff run with him makes him another wash in the league. Kaman is a top center in the league because the league is running thin on them and even then some Centers maynot be as overall better than Kaman but they do their assigned job better than Kaman.

by KillaClip on Feb 17, 2010 9:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Not sure I'm bothering to respond to your crazy conclusion

but considering the Clippers only make the playoffs once every 6 years on average, 1 playoff appearance (and a series win which was unprecedented) is actually pretty solid.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Feb 17, 2010 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Which way to the Haters Ball?

Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball

by John R on Feb 17, 2010 9:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Kaman didn't earn his bif and he even half @$$ the game itself

Alos funny that a new article by George Karl states that a coaches vaule is the same as a 4th and 5th starter

by KillaClip on Feb 17, 2010 9:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Whether or not Kaman was a “real” all-star is irrelevant. He was the only Clipper even in the conversation. If he’s the third option on offense on a competitive team, most of the criticism against him would go away, and that’s a very realisitic possibility next year. Blowing up the team and starting over would ensure only one thing – that the Clippers would be awful for the foreseeable future.

by ClipCat on Feb 17, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

A few weeks ago we were kicking and screaming about how Kaman deserved to be in

and now your argument is that he’s a serviceable, at best, player in the NBA?

by yaggiefresh on Feb 17, 2010 9:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Don't know where you have been but people slowly starting cming off the Kaman bandwagon after his last injury

Kaman has been terrible since his last return and has been getting abused or has been putting up empty stats since his return. Kaman is a waste of talen because after all these years he still hasn’t made a stride as a player this was suppose to be a breakout season for him into Kaman3.0 and now Mr. Floppy X has shown up

by KillaClip on Feb 17, 2010 9:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Kaman should just shut his big mouth

He was back-in the all star game, I would rank Kaman the weakest link on the Western roster, he really foolishly made the comments on Gasol, simply stupid in Kaman’s part.

by Pats fan in CA on Feb 17, 2010 9:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Some of you guys just need to stop

seriously, some of you get mad because Kaman took too many shots. He took 6 last night. Some of you prayed for our offense to be perimeter oriented with EJ leading the way. It is now that way and our offense is still struggling. Some of you wanted to blow up the team. I have a feeling some of you guys complain just to complain

by bacek on Feb 17, 2010 9:29 AM PST reply actions  

I mentioned this in another thread

But we need a new motto, Clippers: Where online riots happen.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Feb 17, 2010 9:30 AM PST up reply actions  

The SOB had 7 TO's

Some of you are blowing Kaman just to blow him.

by KillaClip on Feb 17, 2010 9:34 AM PST up reply actions  

This was the first time EJ was given the control of the game so to say we have a span of perimeter type games is absurd

-Kaman took 6 shots last night and had 7 turnovers.Add that each TO from the replay I watched was a shot attempt Kaman would have had13 shots in total.

-We wanted to fire the coach then blow up the team we finally did both now it’s wait and see.

 -Our offense honestly looks the same we get Kaman the ball or now we chuck the first look getting past halfcourt

by KillaClip on Feb 17, 2010 9:52 AM PST up reply actions  

so you agree it's wait and see

well from the looks of things lots of people are not waiting and seeing

by bacek on Feb 17, 2010 9:56 AM PST up reply actions  

See but missed the first part

Fire the coach and THEN BLOW UP THE TEAM. If Kaman and Baron want to stay with the core starters of Gordon and Griffin they at least have to be respectable for the rest of the season. When Griffin gets here it’s do or die time and there is no time to waste on players who can’t stay on track for an entire season.

by KillaClip on Feb 17, 2010 10:00 AM PST up reply actions  

yes, it is so easy to trade players with big contracts

especially with the fact that teams are losing moeny which may lead to a lockout if a new CBA isn’t reached. Maybe Baron and Kaman are worn down from logging so many minutes and carrying this team for the first half of the season.

by bacek on Feb 17, 2010 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Play Bobby Brown over Baron Davis please

Coach Hughes must be tougher and motivate the two key guys, Baron and Kaman.

I liked Bobby Brown, he was motivated last night, and brought the Clippers back within five points in the half way point of 4th quarter. why took a hot player out of the game?

by Pats fan in CA on Feb 17, 2010 9:32 AM PST reply actions  

Some of the morons on here got upset when I said we should play Brown more

Mardy Collins is done with the team after this year and we have a young player on the bench on the cheap why no give him a swhot and see if he can stick. The more players that can show up with potential the less money the team can save going forward to getting better quality players

by KillaClip on Feb 17, 2010 9:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Blazer fan here

I posted here after the last time we played. At that time I was effusive in my praise for Camby. I can’t believe we got him. This is obviously a move to blow up the Clips and start over yet again. I also posted last time that I would get rid of Baron. I still would. If you have a PG with the talent he has then you have to have leadership skills to go along with it. The reason being because he will be the default leader anyway because of the nature of the position.

You are going to like Blake. The guy is a pro. Maybe a Chauncy light sort of. Still while you will wish he had more athletic ability, you won’t be bemoaning dumb plays as I am sure is the case with Baron. Still Blake can only get you so far as we have found out.

Travis on the other hand could be the real deal. He has had huge games for us and never really played starters minutes. He also has hit a few last second shots for us.Last shot of the game, if it ain’t Roy it was Catfish. He also was known as our chemistry guy, maybe the most liked guy on the team and Roys best friend on the team. Right away he will be a better player than anyone on your team outside of Kaman.

I wouldn’t worry about last nights game. We are a better team already, were lifted by news of the trade, lifted by Roy playing, and you guys were deflated after the trade news and on the road. I would not use last nights game as a barometer.

As I said last time I was on this site, you have the real deal coming back from injury, our announcers were wondering if the Camby move also wasn’t made to free up time for DJ, Move Davis, and you will be in the playoffs next year with the addition of Outlaw and Griffin.

by eclecticspider on Feb 17, 2010 11:16 AM PST reply actions  

Some analysis

Brutal, as SP says. But let’s sit back and take a breath and not lose our minds screaming at the obvious targets, BDavis and CKaman. What’s actually going on? Unlike SP, I was eager to watch this game, curious to see the new big man rotation.

So we know one thing: the Clippers aren’t as good as they’ve been this season when they’ve played their best, without Marcus Camby. Was Camby a glue guy who is essential to the lineup having any success? Perhaps. He didn’t hurt.

Kaman did look a little more active on the defensive boards. That’s obviously going to be crucial. DJordan looked good…against Juwan Howard. Against no credible center on the other team. How did the Clippers, with Kaman and DJordan, not get the ball inside for good shots and play much better?

Portland did a good job of defending BDavis and the Clipper wings. But what was really missing was MDSr’s plodding, unimaginative offense, which would make it a priority to get the ball on the block to Kaman, time after time, ad nauseum. And in the meantime exploit the mismatch.

It really is amazing to see how few shots Kaman got and how few touches and how generally discombobulated he was, even for him. It was only a couple of weeks ago that he was getting something like 10 or 15 shots in the first quarter. Not that he was finishing games or maintaining his frequency. But the Clippers, who are indeed incoherent right now, don’t seem to have a mindset of making Kaman a priority in the offense. His scoring is going to go way down, I would think. The new system, whatever it is, just doesn’t seem like it’s going to make him the focal point where he scores his 20 every night. He may have some more big nights, and he may show up and play in some exciting new way on occasion, at some point. But the consistent production could be gone now.

As far as BDavis goes, we can all look forward to how he responds to having a steady guy who doesn’t make mistakes and hits shots pestering him for playing time. Baron can obviously bring it at times, and he’s had some great stretches this season. Things can get ugly with his game when there are big adjustments going on. Playing against Miller and the Blazers without Camby, and thinking about Steve Blake suiting up, seems to have caused him to lose his focus pretty quickly last night.

The interesting quote last night wasn’t just Milph’s statement to MDSr about bloggers, but the exchange with Steve Blake about Nate McMillan and how he used Blake, how things would be chaotic and his job was to put the team in order and function as a coach on the floor. This dialogue was going on right at the time that the Clippers were stumbling around and turning the ball over and missing shots and looking incoherent and downright stupid at times. But let’s not kid ourselves, we’re talking about Steve Blake here. He’s better than Bad Baron and he’s better than Mardy Collins. Bobby Brown made a valiant, desperate attempt to show his value, but his days are probably numbered, no? Maybe Steve Blake can help the Clippers find some coherence and help them institute the new system, whatever it is. They must have some plays they want to try to run, but we just can’t see them yet, it doesn’t seem.

Another note was how Dain Blanton quoted Hughes saying that Kaman and DJordan would never be out on the floor together, and then of course there they were and it was an obvious and semi-effective piece of the rotation. Milph was skeptical from the outset about Craig Smith as a starter, although it was interesting to learn that he started 31 games in Minnesota last year, after Al Jefferson was hurt. Still waiting to see if Brian Skinner makes sense. Novak got an early call and a few minutes, but he wasn’t effective.

Incoherent is exactly right. Another game tonight!

by citizen zhiv on Feb 17, 2010 11:38 AM PST reply actions  

The rightful president of Club Optimism

Man zhiv, you really do earn that club name. I don’t know how anyone can be as eager to watch these games as you are. Gotta give you respect.

It’s an important point that Hughes has allowed the team to abandon and ignore Kaman in the post. Hughes talks about running more, but does running more mean having no set offense at all? Does it mean completely ignoring post play?

I criticized Dunleavy of claiming to want to run just because he yelled “run!” on the sidelines. As I’ve said numerous times, you have a to have a SYSTEM that the players practice and where they understand their respective rolls. You don’t just roll the ball out there and tell them to run around. That was Dun’s version of running, so maybe we shouldn’t be surprised that that’s Kim’s version of running as well.

by madglove on Feb 17, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

You were in practice?

Why didn’t you tell us?

Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball

by John R on Feb 17, 2010 1:14 PM PST up reply actions  

deandre should try to shoot like shaq

too much arch on his free throws, just to a straight shot at the rim

by highriser on Feb 17, 2010 12:44 PM PST reply actions  

i thought u guyz would at least come up with some off the wall reason why the clippers could beat the depleted Blazers

but the comments were pure negativity. As a Blazers fan to a bunch of slippers fans, im not sure what to say…sorry bout ur franchise?

by 64-18 on Feb 17, 2010 1:23 PM PST reply actions  

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