Clippers vs. Atlanta - Game Preview
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| 21-32 | 33-18 |
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| Staples Center |
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| February 17th, 2010, 7:30 PM | ||
| FSN Prime Ticket, 980 AM |
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| Probable starters: | ||
| Baron Davis | PG | Mike Bibby |
| Eric Gordon | SG | Joe Johnson |
| Rasual Butler |
SF | Marvin Williams |
| Craig Smith |
PF | Josh Smith |
| Chris Kaman |
C | Al Horford |
The Back Story:
The Big Picture:
The Clippers played the Hawks a little over two weeks ago in the final game of their eight game road trip, and in what turned out to be Mike Dunleavy's final game as coach of the Clippers. They lost that game, ending the trip 2-6 and MDsr resigned the next day. Little did we know at the time that we'd be looking back on those as 'the good old days' - you know, when the Clippers lost a lot more than they won, but at least they won a few, and were more or less competitive in the other games. The four games since that last meeting with the Hawks have been pretty ugly. They've lost those four games by margins of 10, 17, 22 and 30, and in two of the games they were out of contention in the first quarter. Baron Davis has shot terribly in the run, and has 19 turnovers as well. Chris Kaman likewise has been bad in the stretch, managing to one up Baron by turning the ball over 20 times in the four games. That's almost 10 turnovers per game for those two players alone in the Hughes era. So let's try some baby steps here. Let's see if Baron and Kaman can limit their turnovers to say, five total. Then we'll worry about the next thing after that.
The Antagonist:
Prior to the last game I said that I had trouble viewing the Hawks as 'elite' and frankly, that game didn't do much to change my mind. Sure, they had a big fourth quarter to win the game. But Jamal Crawford was making some crazy shots, as was Joe Johnson. Yes, I know that they're capable of making those shots. But should an elite team need them to do that, playing at home, against the Clippers? Johnson and center Al Horford are coming off a trip to the All Star game, and Josh Smith probably deserved the selection more than Horford. With Crawford in the running for sixth man of the year, it's a talented roster. But they still seem to be lacking something, though I don't know what it is exactly. Maybe it's point guard. They don't have great point guard play, with Crawford now taking most of Mike Bibby's crunch time minutes. Maybe it's post scoring, where Horford is limited, while Smith gets his points facing the basket. At any rate, it will be interesting to see if the Hawks can compete with Cleveland and Boston and Orlando when the playoffs come around.
The Subplots
- Rust or rest? The Hawks haven't played in a week, since before All Star break. The Clippers on the other hand played last night in Portland. Will the Hawks come out with a ton of energy after getting a nice chunk of time off? Or will they be out of sync, having not played at this level for a week? For the Clippers, will they be exhausted by the game and travel, or will they be sharper in their second game post break, after looking very out of sorts in Portland?
- Craig Smith. I'm assuming that Smith will get the start again tonight, after starting against the Blazers last night. He'll have his hands full with Josh Smith in the battle of the Smiths.
- Long tenured coach. Now that MDsr has resigned as coach of the Clippers, Mike Woodson has the third longest tenure with the current club among NBA coaches (after only Jerry Sloan and Gregg Popovic). That seems hard to believe, considering that Woodson was as good as gone a couple of seasons ago.
- Al Thornton versus the Hawks. Two seasons ago, the Clippers faced the Hawks in the throes of a 3-9 stretch without starters Chris Kaman and Corey Maggette who were both out with the flu (and of course without Elton Brand). Then rookie Al Thornton scored a then career high 33 to lead them to victory. Last season in Atlanta, Al scored 31 in an LA win. But two weeks ago in Atlanta, Thornton scored only 8, as he has fallen further and further off the radar for the Clippers. But he has helped the Clippers to a split with the Hawks in each of the last two seasons, so maybe he can do it again.
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Movie Quote:
Harell, Black Hawk Down (2001). Ridley Scott knows how to make movies. I'm not generally a big fan of war movies, but this was a great film.We got a black hawk down, we got a black hawk down.
- Get the Hawks perspective at Peachtree Hoops.
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The Hawks
can definitely beat Boston (they swept them in the season series for starters). They are a bit undersized as Horford is really a PF but the Celtics don’t really have a monster in the post offensively. They match up poorly against the Cavs and Magic though.
FA in 2010.
Speaking of the Hawks I want to recommend an article
Earlier in the season Lang Whitaker travelled with the Hawks for an away game and jotting down what happened. It’s a pretty interesting read into the life of an NBA team (for a very short while).
http://www.slamonline.com/online/blogs/the-links/2010/01/links-embedded-with-the-atlanta-hawks/
That aside, I doubt we’ll win this game. Atlanta is a legit playoff team and we’re a legit lottery team. I’m pretty sure Atlanta will go thru the first round, but what happens afterward is depending on who they’re facing like ClipperChuck said.
id like to see more of Al in this game
His stock is low, confidence is low, he needs to get back on the saddle.
by big0lbad on Feb 17, 2010 7:14 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Seeing as Al Thornton was hot last game and we went away from him and had him on the bench
It would be interesting to see if Hughes can adjust from that
Kim Hughes SUCKS! The dude is worst then CMDSr and he is probly the reason MDsr. coaching Sucked so bad.
From his terrible Rotations to his Stupid sub in the third last night when the Bench got us within 5 and dug us out of the hole Kaman, BD and EJ got us in to his retarded interviews, Kim Hughes is a Loser and I wont be surprised if he goes Win less in this ridicules Coaching experiment.
Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.
How did EJ get us in a hole last night?
The kid was 7-12 shooting for 20 points!
"Basketball is life"
He did things on the floor that hurts like bobbling the ball,fouling instead of playing D and hesitating, he is just playing without confidence right now.
His bad shot selection and lack of Good passing are very depermental to our team. I Like EJ but his value is diminishing Game By Game.
Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.
Oh, and Kim Hughes Sucks, have I posted that yet.
Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.
Keep the unmotivated guys on bench
BD and CK should be benched, right now they cant even beat a d league team.
Let the guys who want to win play more minutes.
by Pats fan in CA on Feb 17, 2010 10:18 AM PST reply actions
Baron you better make it happen tonight
There is no excuse to not have a big game against Mike Bibby. Bibby is only averaging 9 ppg, 4 assts, and 2 rebounds.
Of course, when the Hawkd bring in Crawford, he is almost unstoppable, but when Bibby is in the game, Baron better go to work.
"Basketball is life"
Well at least there's no question
that Kim Hughes shouldn’t be on the sidelines next year. I wanted to write that he absolutely wouldn’t be, but I can’t put anything past this team with DTS as its owner.
I know most people wanted a team that played at a faster pace, but good lord, I don’t think anyone wanted a team that completely ignores defense.
John Wall looked pretty good last night…
Darn those unintended consequences
Darn them to heck.
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
It's not a consequence of losing Dun
It’s a consequence of having Hughes as a replacement.
What part of “it’s a 2 step process” are you unable to understand? Oh yea, the 2nd part.
Now go back to bed and snuggle up with Dun’s boxers.
what exactly is worse about our defense
-We still can’t defend the 3 ball
-Our rotations are slow or nonexistent
-Weakside help is a non-factor
-Still can’t box out on defensive rebounds
Seriously people we weren’t the Cavs on D before hand. Only thing that I have noticed Dunleavy did do better than Hughes on defense is Dunleavy can avoid allowing the mid-range jumpers consistently. I swear as of late we are getting abused in the mid-range game and that is something you often don’t see with the Clippers.
How do you know of what it is a consequence?
Have you run numerous controlled tests?
Coach was fired, players stopped trying, defense effort is completely gone.
I mean correlation doesn’t PROVE causation, but its a good place to start looking…
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
Uh you're the one claiming it was a consequence
Go read your own “unintended consequences” genius. You claimed that the poor team D was an “unintended consequence” of Dun’s firing, and now you want me to prove consequences? Your arguments are so circular and illogical that you can’t even keep them straight in your head.
So I need to do “numerous controlled tests” to prove “of what it is a consequence” but you rely purely on correlation? Uh…ok.
My original comment had nothing to do with consequences. I merely noted that the team right now is completely ignoring defense. You brought up the issue of consequences. You want tests? Go run them yourself.
John R:
This is a poor argument on your part imo because your asking a question of Madglove that you should be asking of yourself. Have YOU run numerous controlled tests? You’ve asserted a decent concept (earlier) and then undermined yourself by being snippy.
At least I'm also a Redskins fan... oh wait. My sports life sucks.
Maybe we should give John Lucas a shot.
He can’t be any worse…can he?
"Excellence...is not an act, but a habit" Aristotle
by Cliptomaniac on Feb 17, 2010 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
A Bum from a Freeway Exit can do better then Hughes, Sorry to insult any Bums.
Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.
If the veterans can do that...
If BD and CK continue the way they perform the last four or five games, what do you think the young kids, like EJ and BG, are going through their mind, some one must step up and lead the team, not likely coming from the veterans.
by Pats fan in CA on Feb 17, 2010 12:41 PM PST reply actions
Let’s hope the guys don’t learn from our veterans/all stars for god sake. They rated marbury’s woops I mean barons contract as 11th worst in the NBA but wow is he goin for number 1 at the moment. Sad to say
by Sam50 on Feb 17, 2010 1:21 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Like before
-Guard Crawford
-Don’t get out hustled inside again (Kaman)
-Wing players defend the perimeter
The Hurt Locker
Great war movie! check it out
Roger Sterling: To my knees, Don. They're bringing to my knees!"
I'm kinda surprised
No one is mentioning what the Clippers are like without Marcus Camby. That’s a big piece that’s missing. Throw in the new coach and it’s not a shock that the Clips are incoherent. The question is how they’re going to come back to life, if at all. Having Steve Blake subbing in for BDavis, if BD falters again (or not), will be something new, at least. And maybe Outlaw will help.
DJordan is fun to watch though. Last night there was a purported ban on the Kaman-Jordan lineup, but that got lifted pretty quickly. Who knows what might happen next. Maybe the Kaman-Smith starting line up will be futile, and we’ll see Kaman-DJordan as starters soon. Can’t really tell where things are going at the moment, except downhill of course.
Any other trade news or possibilities?
I think we are better without Camby, the problem was the Crappie Coaching of Kim Hughes.
= Bad BAD BAD match-ups Example playing a 6’6 Rhino on a 7’ LA How many times did Rhino get burned buy LA, I lost count.
= Playing and subbing in a Drained Kaman that ended up with just 4 points and 7 turnsovers.
= Playing an out of control BD that went 0-5 from 3 pt. land and 5 turnovers.
= Taking the Bench guys out when they got us within 5 points.
Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.
Kaman and Jordan as starters
Good call zhiv. That didn’d take long at all. I hope the Clips use the rest of this season to experiment with many different lineups.
Ladies and Gentlemen...
I would now like to direct your attention to the comments area of last nights recap… wherein John R. has just admitted that coaching/coaches actually do bear consequences on the game of basketball. You may not agree with him, but he said it.
At least I'm also a Redskins fan... oh wait. My sports life sucks.
I'm going to need a direct quote to believe this happened....
I can’t even fathom.
It's all there.
I can understand your disbelief. Check it out for yourself.
At least I'm also a Redskins fan... oh wait. My sports life sucks.
So much for having Al Thornton
Can’t believe we didn’t get a pick or prospect in any of our trades
ok so next year should be crazy
with all the cap room freed up can you see a front court of Bosh, Griffin, and LBJ? Every other day in Staples it would be Kobe and the Akron hammer. OMFG!! Feel bad for Marcus however.
Tonight's game
Is the lineup in flux or not? I can’t tell right now.
No Al Thornton. Thornton now on the Wizards. No Thornton contract next year.
No Sebastien Telfair. He was hurt anyway. Steve Blake now the clear backup, although Bobby Brown and Mardy Collins are still on the roster.
Unclear about Brian Skinner. Reports that the Clips are going to waive Gooden, making him a free agent. Report that Brian Skinner is not part of the deal. That would make sense, if the Clips are waiving Gooden. They just gave up Camby without getting a big man back. They can’t waive Gooden and send Skinner away, not enough guys. No Al Thornton as occasional PF either.
As I said before, it’s interesting. Will have to see what kind of team is left after the dust settles. Kaman-Jordan-Smith-Skinner the bigs, Outlaw-Butler-Collins-Novak, BD-Gordon-Blake-Brown. Who am I missing?

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