Hyper Quick Thoughts on Telfair-Thornton Trade
by Steve Perrin on Feb 17, 2010 5:44 PM PST
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Seems like in comments that some people wanted a pick coming back in this deal. That would have been unrealistic. Clippers wanted to be rid of these contracts - I'm happy they didn't have to include outgoing picks frankly. Shedding the salary is the end - the team didn't want or need anything else.
Having said that, I'm not surprised GMMDsr pulled it off. These are not terrible players, nor are they grossly overpaid. They have some value to other teams. But the real value to the Clippers is the cap space, and the other teams involved certainly knew that.
When I first read that Brian Skinner was involved, my thought was that two of the wackiest hair configurations in the league were traded for each other. If as is being reported Skinner is not involved, then they are now teammates. Unfortunately, Gooden cleaned up his bizarre hair do recently. Maybe he'll grow it back for us.
The immediate irony, which apparently Chad Ford tweeted as well, is that Cleveland just participated in the trade that the Clippers believe puts them in the running to sign LeBron James. Of course, you can turn that over as well - the Clippers just participated in the trade that makes Cleveland a more attractive long term home for LBJ, since Jamison makes the team better. It's hard to unwind all of the possibilities there - does a ring this year for LBJ make it more or less likely that he moves on? Of course, it remains a long shot that he plays anywhere other than Ohio next season.
The Clippers now have a roster spot (or two if they waive Gooden, or three if Skinner is in the deal) to play with. They also have trade exceptions to work with. This puts them in position to help other teams get under the luxury tax, as they did last year with Alex Acker, Cheikh Samb and Hassan Adams. In other words, I expect them to bring in some young players for free looks down the stretch. It could be D-Leaguers as well.
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anyways whats the contract on gooden? im assuming its an expiring one
$4.5M in this its final year.
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
I'm excited for Simmons' mea culpa
Since I’m pretty sure he backs this general plan…
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
by John R on Feb 17, 2010 5:50 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Without the Clippers this trade might not have been possible
And we might have been stuck with giving up Hickson and choking down Amare. So…I should thank you guys.
YW
And thanks for freeing up the cap space for us to sign your King this summer.
Kidding but not really. If LBJ doesn’t sign w/ the Clips then I sincerely hope he stays in Cle. But I’ll be rooting against the Cavs the rest of the season so it makes it just that much easier for him to say Adios Cleveland.
camby trade.
now the trade yesterday makes sense.
you mean
swapping
Thornton Outlaw
Telfair Blake
Camby Gooden
-makes sense
Today's trade makes sense
But there was no need to trade Camby except to pick up some easy money for Sterling. Trading Camby didn’t affect this deal.
Dominos
Blake and Outlaw for Camby. Blake and Outlaw just happen to replace, and perhaps upgrade, Telfair and Thornton.
So let’s think for a second what the Clips look like if they send Telfair and Thornton away, but they keep Camby. Mardy Collins and Bobby Brown. Butler and Mardy Collins again, a little Novak, maybe you don’t waive Ricky Davis.
I don’t mind seeing the new players, and a whole lot more DJordan. I miss Camby, but the deal isn’t a bad changing of the guard.
by citizen zhiv on Feb 17, 2010 8:51 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe but I'm not convinced
As CChuck pointed out, the trades were out of order, and I really struggle to believe the Clippers are doing anything more than throwing in the towel this season. Also, we don’t know how much Outlaw will be able to play this season. Blake may be an upgrade on Telfair, but he’s not winning us many games either.
If Camby wanted out of LA, then by all means send him on his way. But since he appears to have wanted to stay, I wouldn’t have been so quick to ship out a veteran team leader. Just speculation, but I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Baron and Kaman’s poor performances against Portland were directly related to the Clippers’ treatment of Camby.
The two trades go together
Zhiv is right. The two deals together keep the roster balanced for the rest of the season. Trade a F-C for a PG and SF, then trade a PG and SF for a F-C. Do one trade without the other and your roster gets a little out of whack. So if we just exchanged roughly equivalent players, what was point? Getting expiring contracts back to free up cap space this summer is the point. You’ve got to hand it to Dunleavy—he has a plan and seems to be executing it. The question is, will we really be able to attract a top free agent? Or will we end up with another Kobe Bryant situation?
Maybe the trade does
the order is peculiar though. If we made this trade first I’d be more convinced. I’ll explain…
We do today’s trade, we actually trade 2 players (Bassy and Thornton) for 1 (Gooden) thus freeing up a roster spot.
Now we do the Camby trade and trade 1 player for 2 (Outlaw and Steve Blake), thus using up the aforementioned open roster spot.
If the two trades played out in that order don’t cut Ricky Davis. I can care less about Ricky being on the roster or not, he wasn’t playing well nor was he going to come back next year anyways, but while MDSr may have already been in talks with Cleveland and Washington on this trade, the Cavs were shopping hard for Stoudemire as well so today’s trade could have easily fallen apart. So this leads me to believe we may have jumped the gun a bit.
Of course this is all moot now though, we got what the majority of us wanted, a chance to grab a allstar to add to our solid core.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Feb 18, 2010 1:02 AM PST up reply actions
i mean.
the trade yesterday didn’t affect the cap space for next year. but with this trade we upgraded for the short term and also have more cap space for next year.
by rickybuckets on Feb 18, 2010 6:36 PM PST up reply actions
yes, im outta the office! clippers here we come!
o yea btw, 12th!!!!! lol (ty big0lbad)
"Put the icing on the cake ladies and gentlemen" - Ralph Lawler vs. The Grizzlies
by In GrIfFin We TrUsT on Feb 17, 2010 7:01 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Apologies if someone already mentioned this but I dont see it
Bucher was just on ESPN radio and he mentioned a potential wing free agent who has an ETO and noone is discussing. They were talking in code, and since I dont want to jinx this into happening, I will do the same.
He used to wear the number 8 and is a bad person.
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
God I hope not
especially at this point of his career. Lots and Lots of miles on those wings.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Apparently Baron isn't starting tonight
Blake is
see the fanshot I made
http://lasportsops.tumblr.com/
LOL.. Baron giving up on the season
"look, you can find any coach you want, bring him in here and run the situation. But I don't think they are going to do as good a job as I do." -Mike Dunleavy Sr.
by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Feb 17, 2010 7:18 PM PST up reply actions
Me personally i've given up on Baron.
I wish we can ship him out of here too!
It is way too hard to dump Baron
maybe we might have better success in the off season.
" Baron for the win, BINGO!!!! The Clipers Win, The Clippers win!!! "
Ralph Lawler
by bestclipfan on Feb 18, 2010 12:13 AM PST up reply actions
Baron is going to be tough to move
we would have to take bad some equally bad contracts (that won’t be expiring). I didn’t think we could trade ZBo either so who knows, maybe a team with cap space would be willing to take him from us but I doubt it unless he ups his play the rest of the season.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Feb 18, 2010 1:05 AM PST up reply actions
One D-Leaguer to bring up
Can we have Rod Benson please?? Let the guy tweet and blog as much as possible to make DTS a little bit more money and get another “chubby”. Plus i like the guys style and length
D-Miles dont call it a come back
by Darius Miles Up In Smoke on Feb 17, 2010 11:10 PM PST reply actions
LA Clippers the Pittsburg Pirates of the NBA
Bring back Shawn Livingstone so he can sit next to Griffin-Outlaw-BDavis in street clothes.
Nice move Dunleavy dumping Al Thorton 21 points in 32 minutes last night
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