An eMail Critique of Al Thornton
His Clipper career deserves more in depth analysis at some point, but when Mike Prada at Bullets Forever asked me for some thoughts on Al Thornton earlier today, I dashed off a quick eMail. I figure I might as well post it here:
Thornton has a very solid offensive game. He has a good first step, and can make a variety of shots. He is pretty effective at creating his own shot. His perimeter game is not great, but not terrible - although he's essentially stopped taking threes this season.
His trajectory has been very disappointing. As a rookie, he was officially behind Corey Maggette but ended up playing a lot at both forward positions because of all the injuries, and even started 31 games. He averaged almost 17 points per 36 minutes, and had games of 33 and 39 in the second half of the season that had us pretty excited around here. He was always a 'volume' scorer guy - never particularly efficient, but as a rookie, the logic was that he'd get more efficient.
His second season, after Maggette signed with the Warriors, Al was the starter at small forward from day one. His per 36 scoring went down a few ticks, his true shooting percentage was more or less the same, and his PER dropped a little as well. A 12.7 PER for a rookie finding his way in the league on an injury-ravaged team is sort of OK - you figure he'll be better with more experience. A 12.6 PER for a second year player (who happens to be 25) is more of a concern. The biggest issue was that it was becoming pretty clear that Al was 'just' a scorer. He's a terrible rebounder, a poor passer, has a pretty low basketball IQ, and consequently is a very poor team defender (though he is a decent on-ball defender). All of those things needed to get better his second season - none of them did.
When the Clippers added Rasual Butler this summer, Al found himself fighting for his starting job and it clearly affected him. He started the season in a miserable slump - bounced back when he made it back into the starting lineup alongside Butler while Eric Gordon was hurt - continued to play well for awhile after returning to the sixth man role - and then went back into the slump the last month. Whether he tailed off because he was losing minutes or he lost minutes because he tailed off is a tough one to answer. But clearly in was in a negative feedback loop. It probably didn't help that the Clippers knew they had to move him to get into the LeBron Sweepstakes. Take a look at his game logs and his season splits - you can see the roller coaster he was on. From mid November to mid December, he played as well as I've ever seen him play. He was significantly more efficient, taking the ball aggressively to the rim rather than settling for jumpers, played some nice defense and was tearing up the offensive glass. He scored in double figures in 18 out of 20 games and twice when for 30+. Then he lost his mojo for some reason, and has 9 double figure games and zero 20+ games in his last 23.
The unfortunate thing is that I think the 'instant offense' bench role could be ideal for Al. In the early season 'Butler vs. Thornton' debate here, I was pretty adamantly in the Butler camp, not because I felt he was a lot better, but simply because he fit better. Al's a scorer, and on the Clippers team (the one we thought we had) he would have been the fifth option, behind Kaman, Gordon, Griffin and Baron - having a one dimensional scorer in your starting lineup as the fifth option is a really bad idea. But bringing him off the bench, as the first or second option for the second team, is a great asset. There were a few times this season when it looked like Al was embracing that role - but they were way too few.
John Hollinger would tell you this was all foreseeable - that 'old' rookies (Al was a fifth year senior at FSU) never develop. I don't think it's that simple. But Al's tracking the wrong way. He's been a more efficient scorer this season - but everything else is moving in the wrong direction. Maybe a change in scenery will help. Obviously with Butler and Jamison and Arenas gone (wow, that's astounding) he's going to get some shots for the Wizards. Frankly, that's when he's been best - when he knows he's being featured in the offense and he plays with confidence, without looking over his shoulder.
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ha
I find it amusing that this is your idea of a quick email.
At least I'm also a Redskins fan... oh wait. My sports life sucks.
And I thought it could have been longer...
Contrasting viewpoints here at Clips Nation.
by citizen zhiv on Feb 18, 2010 6:26 PM PST up reply actions
yeah
That’s me being concise
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Feb 18, 2010 8:38 PM PST up reply actions
Good off the cuff analysis
There are some subtleties missing, but this is a good advanced thumbnail from an expert. The main thing, I think, is that Thornton should be a very nice piece for the Wizards in their current situation. He’ll make plays and score and bring them a little credibility, if not any wins, which no one should expect. He won’t deliver some of the finer points that Caron Butler brings you, but for 30 games he should be a reasonable facsimilie, a better copy than anybody that the Wiz will be bringing in to replace Jamison. Bill Simmons was saying today that the Wizards are basically going to put a pickup team out on the floor. I don’t mind having Al Thornton on my pickup team at all, although once I pass him the ball I know I shouldn’t expect him to get it back.
Hollinger, rating Washington's haul in the big trade.
“As for Thornton, he was a necessary component of the deal but basically gives the Wizards exactly what they don’t need — another quasi-talented, shot-happy young guy who has no idea how to play. Washington’s quartet of Thornton, Nick Young, Andray Blatche and JaVale McGee might be the most clueless unit any single NBA team could muster. Thornton likely will start at small forward with Butler gone, and he has one season left on his contract after this one to prove my scouting report incorrect.”
yeah... not surprising...
And based on the write up I did, the commenters at Bullets Forever all said more or less the same thing. “Oh great, he sounds like Nick Young. Just what we need.”
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Feb 18, 2010 7:07 PM PST up reply actions
Yours is definitely more balanced
I mean, Hollinger reads like he’s out for blood. “… no idea how to play.” What an asshole.
He was definitely more harsh but...
when you think about it… have you really ever seen Al play and think “wow, that was a textbook play” or “he gets it”. Normally you get “ooohhh noo… oh it went in”.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Feb 18, 2010 10:03 PM PST up reply actions
I'd call him clueless and leave it at that
Have to admit, though, that now I want to check out the Wiz’s quasi-quartet.
He's usually pretty funny
I read almost everything he writes, and I get the feeling that he comes down hardest on players who he feels that people are most misinformed about. For example, he’s recently been bashing Monta Ellis a lot b/c it’s driving him crazy that so many people think Ellis deserved to be in the all-star game. In Thornton’s case, there were a lot of people talking before the season about how Thornton was part of the Clippers’ young core, and he pretty adamantly felt otherwise.
Josh Howard
Should keep Thornton from starting. It’ll be interesting to see if Thornton or Young is more of a ball killer.
Thornton may show flashes of brilliance
But, the Wizards are now more dysfunctional than the Clippers (possible, barely), Al will bounce around the league and depart (I hope) better than Darius Miles did (by fugly injury).
Like Darius, all legs and arms, no basketball IQ.
Al Thornton is playing like a monster right now
I’m watching Thornton play some mean man defense that I have never seen him play while he has been a Clipper. Those mental losses are not showing up he is just playing his game. I’m happy for him but what in the hell does that say about us. Flip Saunders is really trusting Al he has the most mintues in the game.
No f*cking way
21pts/5rebs/4blks/2stls/ and ONLY 1 FOUL IN 32MINS!!!!!!
I don't care what anyone says Thornton never had a game like this as a Clipper
Watching Thornton on Defense was like watching a entirely different person this guy was so relaxed and focused it was crazy. It’s one game but this was not a highlight game from Clipper Al Thornton this was a highlight game from the guy named Al Thornton.
wow wasn't expecting this to happen
especially after the great game the Nuggets played against the Cavs.
" Baron for the win, BINGO!!!! The Clipers Win, The Clippers win!!! "
Ralph Lawler
...Again?
Just like Odom and other great Clippers that went on to be successful with other teams in the league, I had a feeling that Thornton might do better on another team than with the Clips. Although I like the guy and want him to do well in this league. Just wish we could have held on to him somehow. I will miss the occasional put back dunks he gave us. They were sometimes the only exciting part of the Clippers games.
Hmm
Do we really have a list of great Clippers who went on to bigger and better things? Odom makes a decent case at least record wise (although I wouldn’t call him great) but his stats and role have diminished since he was with us, Ron Harper won some titles but as the 5th beetle, Danny Manning, Ken Norman, Charles Smith, Gary Grant went quietly in the night. So did Loy Vaught, Olowokandi, Maurice Taylor, Derek Andersen, Darius Miles. Andre Miller had a decent career, but he was only here for a year and he hasn’t really changed much since then. We can laugh at glee at FElton… Maggette is doing okay in GS but hardly making us regret anything.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Feb 20, 2010 2:19 AM PST up reply actions
yeah seriously the vast majority of former clippers have done less or had a lesser role on their next teams.
look at q ross. maybe q rich was slightyl better off for a few years. i mean if you really want to get into it , pooh richardson never did anything after the clips. keyon dooling anyone?
i mean it has made it really easy to not regret not resigning these guys. hell if anything bison dele was probably one of the few who did play reasonably well, and maybe brent barry at least got to win though he never was a starter anywhere but here.
odom is probably he one good example and he is still generally considered someone who never lived up to his potential.
i watch the warriors a lot and well magette is putting up good numbers, but uh everyone on the warriors puts up good numbers.
a lot of warrior fans as of late have been saying maggette and ellis (who is like a short good numbres on bad teams guy like a smaller magette) make the team play worse (witness all the wins, including the one against us by 30 without those 2).

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