Rudy Gay should be a Clipper target this summer
by Energy on Feb 21, 2010 8:23 AM PST
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He's a restricted free agent, but the Clips should still explore signing him. Small forward is the Clips biggest need. Outlaw may be able to fill that spot. That would be great, because he certainly would come cheaper than Gay.
Gay is the only premier small forward availble this free agency besides Lebron James. If the Clips scored him and added some other nice back up pieces like Steve Blake and Outlaw -- who can also backup at power forward -- the Clips would have a talented squad. That type of talent may be able to lure an Avery Johnson to coach.
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Don't like it....
Gay isn’t worth anything more than $8-9M a year and Memphis would match that. He’s not a leader, not a very good shooter, and is known to be selfish. Don’t like it at all. The hype machine is working overtime on Rudy Gay and I don’t want the Clippers to be the team that overpays for him.
Gay is a last resort
and because he’s restricted we would probably have to overpay him just to keep Memphis from matching. That being said I wouldn’t mind (if we strike out with LBJ and JJ) signing him to a respectable contract (though not gonna happen)) which would leave us money to bring back Blake, Outlaw, Smith, etc.
by dulciusEXasperis on Feb 21, 2010 8:56 AM PST reply actions
I like Gay but he is the last resort
if we can’t get LBJ and we can’t get JJ then I would settle with Gay.
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Josh Howard?
Not saying Josh Howard is any better, especially with his knees and the injury that just plagued him, and then his weed issues and age, but because of all these issues, it seems as if (and Steve has made a small section on this) that this could really take a hit on Howard’s value. The way I see it, he might be had at around 5-7 Mils, and for a player with defensive capabilities, we could sign him, and resign Outlaw or/and Blake if we want them back. Now I’m not saying to go straight into signing Howard, Blake, and Outlaw without taking into considerations of Lebron James and Joe Johnson, but Howard can be an alternative to Gay so that we don’t have to overpay a player significantly just to have an upgrade at the 3. With that, we can then sign other mid level contracts, rather than spend 12-14 mils on Gay, whom I like, but dislike the idea of a slightly improved Al Thornton.
and keep in mind
I don’t mean give Howard a long contract. My assumption is that other teams might not want to take a huge risk/ leap with this guy, so why not throw him a one or two year contract to see if he can rejuvenate his career or not.
He's the only other "Name" SF, not "Premier"
Still, he’s pretty young, but he hasn’t been improving by leaps and bounds like many predicted.
we need a high bball IQ in this position
If we can’t have a King playing SF for us, perhaps a Prince will do?
by big0lbad on Feb 21, 2010 10:18 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Prince is a bit overrated
He’s lost a step defensively, he’s been injured, he’s 30 now and he’s got a pricey contract. We’re better off going after a Childress or even resigning Outlaw depending on how he does the rest of the season.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Feb 21, 2010 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
Didn't Prince have a slipped disk?
I mean, an injured spine doesn’t sound good.
The advantage with Childress
is that maybe we could resign a few of our own free agents.
If we were to land Gay, it’d be for around $12M. We’d then have enough to sign our draft pick and maybe one of our cheaper free agents (Smith?). A lot of people here, including SP, have been repeating this: We can’t get an expensive free agent AND resign many of our guys. The cap won’t allow it.
Childress, on the other hand… I think ClipperChuck threw out a guesstimate of $40M for 5 years. That’s $8M a year, but of course the first years would be for less. 10% raise per year, that’s something like $6.5M for the first year, which is what’s relevant for our cap.
$33.5M for our 5 core guys. Let’s assume $6.5M for Childress, bringing us to $40M. Then we could resign Smith, Blake, and either Rasual or Outlaw. I’m guessing ~$3M each for Smith and Blake, in which case we might opt for the more affordable Rasual. Again, I’m guessing, but maybe the three together would run us $11M total. If the cap comes in favorably, something closer to $55M, we could very conceivably sign our draft pick ($2.5M?) and use the $1.5M left to pick up 3 more scrubs, bringing our roster count to 13.
I’m making plenty of assumptions here, I know. It may be our Plan C, in any case. But there’s been lots of positive chatter about Childress of late. It’s nice to know that the number could work.
I came up with the number
just by making sure its over the MLE (he turned down a 5 year 33 million deal from the Hawks before going overseas. There are only 6 or 7 teams with cap space to offer over the MLE so we have the advantage there and he’s a local kid which should help our sales pitch.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Feb 21, 2010 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
I also caught your earlier strategy
of offering something near max for JJ (assuming Lebron doesn’t work out), and then putting in a bid for Childress once Atlanta is forced to offer JJ the max. That’ll force the Hawks to relent and let Childress go. It’s a solid plan, assuming JJ doesn’t leave for NY or some other place, despite his Bird rights.
I would love him on our team
but only for a fair price
How about Glue Guy?
Shane Battier. Under contract thru 2011 – one year $7.4M. Let’s see if resident genius Dunleavy could unload BDiddy.
serious question
who would buy a rudy GAY jersey if he came here? i wonder how many of his jerseys have been sold in memphis.
by baron_davis needs a fro on Feb 21, 2010 3:32 PM PST via mobile reply actions
it'd be the ultimate gag present to lakers fans
a los angeles clippers jersey that says gay?! say it ain’t so.
JOSH CHILDRESS ?
Forty million a year is wayyyy to much. He’s already considered over paid for european standards. Before you start throwing dream numbers out to a guy who wouldn’t start for 40 million/5 years, you have to wake up and realize that this isn’t 2006.
8 million a year is what David Lee was looking for. Paul Millsap even signed for that much. People are going to get paid less in a shit economy.
That would be a silver lining
If salaries trend downward with everything else, it will help us with the cap. So in a limited sense I hope you’re right.
The MLE adjusts with the cap figure
so yes, the MLE deal could be less than then 33 million offered before. The point is we offer more than the MLE which gives us the edge. And he is worth more than the MLE, he’s got a very good PER and was a 30mpg player for the Hawks… on a team with talented perimeter players like Josh Smith, Marvin Williams and Joe Johnson to compete for playing time with. He would be our starting SF (another selling point to him).
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Feb 22, 2010 9:43 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not even sure the Clips need to worry about getting a max player.
They may be better off keeping just their own, including Outlaw and Blake. And possibly re-sigining Camby.
Outlaw may may end up being a better value than Gay.
Blake and Outlaw are versatile. Outlaw can play both forward spots, and Blake can play both guard spots. But, of course, their natural spots are small forward and point guard. But they may suprise some with their ability to slide over to the other spots.
The whole concept of depleting your team and drastically reducing your financial and personnell flexibiltiy to secure one player is suspect. The Clips may already have the players to be truly competitive.
They may be better served by trying to hit a homerun in their coaching search rather taking than big gambles in the free agent market.
Plan B
I tend to agree if the marquee guys aren’t attainable, then of course we should focus on re-signing the guys we like: i.e. blake, smith, butler, outlaw, and keep the lottery pick.
on a side note,,,,,
im watching the Utah/Portland game and Camby is sitting on the bench. The guy just looks disinterested.
I'd be disinterested too
If I wasn’t playing with the Great Wonder, Chris Kamen anymore.
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Sounds like good news to me...
Since he’s certainly not moving his family until after he finds out where he’s finishing his career at, I think we have just as good a chance as anyone to get him back this summer.
That would be plan F or G or H.
Sorry energy but there are so many other better choices that this one is far down the
ladder.
maybe 2010 should be retaining the core
and use the cap money to go after Durantula in 2011?
by big0lbad on Feb 21, 2010 9:39 PM PST via mobile reply actions
unrelated question
how do we get over that cap?
Resign all or most of our own free agents
That’s allowed. Assuming we were successful, at that point our payroll would likely be above the cap. We could then use our MLE to go even higher above it.
In order to sign an outside free agent, though, we’d have to renounce all or most of our free agents, meaning we’d no longer have their Bird rights. At that point, we’d be constrained by the cap.
SP has a recent post, Of Eggs and Baskets, that discusses some more of this.
Or...
we could also make a trade, for Iggy for instance, that would commit our payroll above the cap. That’s also allowed. It’s when you renounce your own free agents and go after someone else’s that the cap moves in over your head.
No, we’d have to renounce free agents in order to have the cap room to make that trade assuming you are talking about a trade in which the 76ers don’t take back much salary. That’s why salaries have to match up in most trades.
Ooops... Right
I think I was still in a pre-deadline mindset when I wrote that. I was definitely thinking of a trade where salaries match up, only we would include our expiring(s) for their non-expiring(s). In any case, I’m pretty sure we can still sign-and-trade our free agents this way, thereby ending up over the cap.
I’m not very sure what the rules are for post-deadline, pre-offseason trades.
Trade for the 2nd pick
If we dont end up with the 1st or second pick.We should trade for it I’ve been saying we should draft evans from ohio st he does everything in college 20 9 7 at 6’’7 and he plays defense.I would take him over wall.So if dont get the king make a trade for him or iggy or deng.Gay doesnt play enough d.And worst case sign david lee to make up for all of kamans short coming and have blake g work his way in so there’s no pressure
If anyone was looking to cash in and then turn into a lazy bum...
Rudy Gay would be that guy.
I've got nothing.
this is off topic but
does anyone have any info on Drew Gooden? ive never seen him play really. who does his game compare to?
I think of drew gooden like a carlos boozer. He's an undersized power forward but he's quick on his feet, long and good 15-17 foot shooter. Of course, i think boozer is better but drew gooden in the right environment can def. do some damage!
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by In GrIfFin We TrUsT on Feb 22, 2010 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
he was the overall #4 pick in the draft so that should say something....right......right......olawakandi was number 1 and look how "well" he did.........o brother.....
"Put the icing on the cake ladies and gentlemen" - Ralph Lawler vs. The Grizzlies
by In GrIfFin We TrUsT on Feb 22, 2010 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
It hardly matters
He won’t be here next year anyway.
But Gooden is a classic example of wasted talent. He’s long, agile and athletic, but he’s also an absolute bonehead. I’ve read countless reports of how much weed he smokes and how he can’t remember plays. I remember reading somewhere how in Cleveland they’d call a play in the huddle and he’d forget it immediately as they got on the court.
LBJ didn't like him
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umm..
you may have a point with Gay but i do not like his style mixed in with some of the guys there are down in clipnation.
id rather be patient, wait it out, play with a healthy team together for once and see how that goes for this squad because at this point it is so hard to figure out “exactly” what clips need!
this squad is stacked, i see the only real need is a decent head coach.
"minds sharpens minds, like steel sharpens steel"
Ive just been thinking
If we can get Lebron, wat would be the point? we would have no bench. I read al ot of these comments talking about the same thing. So what I’m saying is that if we sign our free agents, is there anyway we can stil lget someone who can help? because we would have the same team, plus Griffin, which I dont think is enough to rebuild
We would likely fill out our bench with DJ, players earning the veteran’s minimum and maybe a D-Leaguer or two. It’s much too early to know what that would look like, but I’d much rather have LeBron than a loaded bench! But if LeBron falls through, then Childress and our own Outlaw are good options IMO.
Pretty much. If we got Lebron I wouldn’t care if the bench consisted of Jax and John R.
by Michael White on Feb 24, 2010 8:30 AM PST up reply actions
I agree
heck does Mike Smith want to rejuvenate his Clipper career We can sign players out of college who didn’t get drafted and Lebron can turn them into Raja Bell’s and Kelenna Azibuke.
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