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Timeline of Important Summer 2010 Dates and Dependencies

I'm hesitant to write this post now.  We've got four months until the draft and free agency, and most of that time we won't have any actual basketball to talk about, but the subject came up in the comments today, and I thought I'd put a stake in the ground with some of the important milestones.

The issues raised, and they are valid, have to do with the amount of cap space and it's impact on the Clippers' coming lottery pick, and the timing of everything this summer, specifically the complications of choosing between signing a pick (and jeopardizing cap space) versus preserving as much cap space as possible even if the chances of signing a star are remote.  In other words, will the Clippers have a better idea of the possibilities of signing a mega star before we have to make other important decisions? 

Here are the important off season dates I can think of.  Interestingly, I couldn't find the actual dates anywhere, not even on the page labeled 'Calendar' on NBA.com, which frankly I found annoying and lame.  But based on last year's dates, I'm pretty sure these are correct, and the sequence is definitely correct, which is what's really important for this discussion.

Star-divide

  • May 18 - NBA Draft Lottery
  • Mid June - NBA Champion determined
  • June 24 - NBA Draft
  • July 1 - Free Agency begins - teams can negotiate with free agents, but there's a moratorium on signings
  • July 7 - 2010 NBA Salary Cap announced
  • July 8 - Moratorium ends, teams can sign free agents

Based on current cap estimates, the Clippers have just enough room to offer LeBron James or Dwyane Wade or Chris Bosh the full $16.6M maximum for which those players are eligible. 

One quick aside - Kobe Bryant has an opt out in his current contract, and his name has been thrown around a little bit, with Peter Vecsey even raising the possibility of Kobe and Phil Jackson moving down the hall this summer.  There are some who think that if the Lakers don't work out an extension for Kobe in the meantime, that he will become a free agent.  For the record, I don't think that is going to happen.  But furthermore, as a matter of accuracy in the discussion, bear in mind that Kobe makes a lot more than LeBron, and is therefore eligible for a larger maximum deal this summer.  In fact, he is eligible for a contract starting at over $24M, which is much more than the Clippers have to offer.  Will he get that?  It's hard to say, but I feel rather certain that he'd be looking for a premium, as opposed to a pay cut, to switch LA teams.  So forget Kobe folks (good news for most of you, I know).

And in the interests of completeness, several other high profile FAs are also eligible for more money than LeBron and Wade, like Dirk Nowitzki and Amare Stoudemire (and Paul Pierce if he chooses to opt out).  But James and Wade will set the market, so I don't expect any of those players to get offers beyond what the Clippers can afford, and frankly I don't want the Clippers spending that much on those names.  I just want to be accurate on this stuff, and yes, I'm a little anal.  Just bear in mind that a max contract is not the same for everyone.

So where was I?  Oh yeah.  $16.6M for LeBron James, and the Clippers will have about that, depending on where the cap actually is set.  They may have a little more.  They may have a little less.  But they won't have a lot more.  The pre-determined salary for a lottery pick will go onto the Clippers salary cap number after the draft, and before free agency begins.  To give you an idea, the first overall pick last year (Blake Griffin, remember him?) made $5.3M, the last pick in the lottery (Earl Clark of Phoenix) got a little less than $1.8M and the tenth pick (Brandon Jennings of Milwaukee) got close to $2.2M.  The Clippers will pick around 10th if they don't win the lottery.  I'll say it again:  everything depends on where the cap number is eventually set.  But based on everyone's best estimate right now, a top three lottery pick would actually be too expensive, and would preclude a max offer this summer.  A later lottery pick might do the same, but a top three pick would almost certainly be too expensive for the Clippers to afford.

What are the options at that point?  First of all, don't imagine that winning the lottery is a bad thing.  It would be a very good problem to have, and drafting John Wall to line up next to Blake Griffin would not exactly be a problem.  But if the Clippers were interested in preserving enough cap space to make a max offer, there are a few (though not many) things they can do.  Let's start with what they CAN'T do.  They CAN'T draft a prospect and send him to Europe for a year.  Or rather they can, but while they don't have to pay him his salary, the salary does nonetheless count against the salary cap during the off season.  (Basically, it counts for calculating available space to sign free agents, but does not count for calculating luxury tax distributions, or at least I think that's how it works.)  So likewise, they CAN'T trade the pick for Ricky Rubio - or rather, they can, but you'd have to account for about $3.3M in salary.  All first round picks, whether they've signed an NBA contract or not, have a cap number associated with where they were drafted.  However, future draft picks don't have a cap number, so you could trade for a future pick.  Or you could conceivably trade for an unsigned second rounder, as second round picks don't have a cap number either.  So you could trade him for Nikola Petrovic and avoid a cap hit, but you take the hit if you trade him for Rubio.  Got it?  (That's just an example - I'm not advocating trading for Nikola Petrovic.)

I THINK (maybe John R or Lawler4ever can check me on this) that after the draft, normal trade rules apply.  That is, the trade would have to work under salary matching rules.  That would mean that if you wait until after the draft to deal with the issue, your potential trade options would dwindle, as in most cases you'd have to take salary back, which is what you're trying to avoid.  You'd therefore have to trade with a team under the cap (who would be allowed to take in more salary than they sent out) or trade for an unguaranteed contract which you would then waive.

So if I am correct, then it plays out like this.  From the end of the season until the lottery, you don't do anything with the pick.  No one trades a lottery pick until they know what it is.  There's no rule against it, but it's not done.  For the month or so between the lottery and the draft itself up until draft day, you can pretty easily trade the pick for future considerations and cash and avoid all salary cap implications associated with the pick.  After the draft, it gets more complicated, though not impossible.

Bear in mind that the final cap number won't be known until several weeks after the draft.  The NBA may leak some info in advance of the official announcement, so there may be a clearer idea of what it is going to be before it comes out...  but if it remains really close, I would expect the Clippers to get rid of a low lottery pick.  I just don't see jeopardizing the LeBron play, no matter how unlikely, for a low lottery pick.  Trade the pick for a 2011 first rounder - I would expect any number of teams would take that deal.  The calculus changes with a top three pick.  I won't get into that one now, but as I said, it's a good problem to have.

One key thing to bear in mind for all of this is that you cannot negotiate with free agents until July 1 - any contact of any type before then would be considered tampering.  LeBron James could go on TV and announce that he's re-signing with Cleveland, or that he will never consider the Clippers, and that would of course make the situation clearer.  But GMMDsr can't call Bron's agent or any other agent and ask him where his client's head's at.  Not until July 1.  So the odds are that the Clippers will be flying relatively blind on what to do with the draft pick.  The NBA Finals may clear some stuff up - if Cleveland flames out and LeBron blows up at his teammates, then you stay all in on free agency.  If Cleveland wins the title and LeBron is deep in the midst of a Cleveland lovefest getting ticker tape parades every day, then maybe you course correct.  But none of these decisions can be based on a direct converation with the man about his future plans.  That's verboten.

Some of the same issues complicate the way the Clippers deal with their own free agents, though not as much.  For instance the Clippers WILL be able to negotiate with LeBron before renouncing everybody else.  So they could conceivably reach an agreement in principle with James between July 1 and July 7, then renounce all the other guys and sign James on the 8th.  Conversely, if James rebuffs the Clippers in early talks at the beginning of July, then the team can decide what to do next.  Although the moratorium prohibits actually deals until the 8th, agreements in principle are frequently negotiated and announced during the moratorium week.  So it's conceivable the Clippers could have preliminary talks with several free agents (James, Wade, Joe Johnson, Rudy Gay, etc) and satisfy themselves that they're prospects are not good with any of them, and turn their attentions to Travis Outlaw and Steve Blake long before the 8th.  Of course, Outlaw and Blake can be talking to the other 29 teams that week as well, and as unrestricted free agents they're not obligated to the Clippers in any way.  But at least, unlike the draft pick, it's not a decision that has to be made with only partial information.

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Saying the same thing...

Fleming is saying exactly what I am saying. You have to trade the pick, even a low lottery pick, to have enough at current cap estimates.

Note that this stuff is so complex, that Fleming in the article above doesn’t even get it all right, even in an article focused on getting it all right. He ignores Rubio who will be on Minny’s books for $3.3M this summer (I missed that myself when I did a similar overview last week).

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Feb 25, 2010 6:20 PM PST up reply actions  

LA CLIPPERS currently have Baron Davis, Chris Kaman, Eric Gordon and Blake Griffin under contract for 2010-11. Assuming that they don’t get Minnesota’s first round pick (due to protection on the pick) and that their own first round pick is #10, that adds a cap hold of $1.37 million. I’m assuming that DeAndre Jordan will be retained and that his full contract will count against the cap. After accounting for 6 cap holds of $473,604 for having fewer than 12 players on the roster, the Clippers look to have $15.26 million in cap room if they do not make a qualifying offer to Mardy Collins.

This bit is from the Blazer’s Edge front page story and is written by Storyteller, a layman (as far as I know) cap expert.

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by staylost on Feb 25, 2010 6:06 PM PST reply actions  

What is the assumed cap under this?

If I’m not mistaken, if they get rid of their #1 pick, they would need the cap to be at least $52.9M in order to get to $16.6M.

by banandy on Feb 25, 2010 6:10 PM PST up reply actions  

He is predicting 53.5 million.

The whole article is here.

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by staylost on Feb 25, 2010 6:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Ok

He’s using $53.5M, and he comes out to $15.26M with the lottery pick. Trade the pick, and you’re at the magic number, $16.6M.

We could calculate the number a million more times, but it all comes out the same. Until we know the real cap number, we don’t know for sure, but by my math (and both of these articles as well), the Clippers will have to get rid of their lottery pick to afford the full max.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Feb 25, 2010 6:34 PM PST up reply actions  

LeBron is nothing if not full of himself.

Duncan, I believe, consistantly took pay cuts to keep the team’s finances flexible, but few stars do that.

Of course, LeBron has a long way to go to equal Duncan’s level.

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by staylost on Feb 25, 2010 6:37 PM PST up reply actions  

so if we got 1st pick in the draft, and Lebron really wanted to come to LA,

does he say, hey look, i know u got 1st pick but you got to trade it away to sign me? Thats pretty fucked up

by big0lbad on Feb 25, 2010 6:57 PM PST up reply actions  

If he has to ask, you don't get Lebron.

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by staylost on Feb 25, 2010 7:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually

If we get the top pick in the draft we drop the LBJ plan right away. Well that is unless we decide to package Baron with next season’s 1st rounder in a straight salary dump. It could happen, I think if we offered our 1st rounder (or Minnesota’s) to the Wizard, Kings with Baron I’m sure a team would take him. Heck I think we could offer Baron for Udrih and the Kings probably do it.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Feb 25, 2010 8:20 PM PST up reply actions  

That and...

We want some sort of major issue between LeBron and his teammates or LeBron and his coach. A LeBron-Jamison feud might be the best.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Feb 25, 2010 6:21 PM PST up reply actions  

If the Bobcats get that eighth and somehow pull a Warriors-Mavs...

I’ll roll out the welcome mat myself.

"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's doing down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.

by Gordon for President on Feb 25, 2010 6:58 PM PST up reply actions  

no a damn idea

Seriously what is he talking about? Its been what, 3-4 days since he made that coach comment….no one is reporting anything.

by dulciusEXasperis on Feb 25, 2010 7:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Seriously!

It’s driving me nuts. I feel like someone has hijacked his account and is playing a cruel joke!

by hip2clip on Feb 25, 2010 8:59 PM PST up reply actions  

The Perfect Scenario.

Cleveland finds out that Lebron is really leaving and we offer a sign and trade of Baron
davis and our 1st round pick for lebron on a maximum deal. Then we really have money
to compliment the surrounding players. This is our best case scenario.
Then maybe even Wade!
We change our name to the los angeles Superstars.
Our uniforms are red white & blue with stars.
Bring in Van gundy or Byron Scott or any big time coach.

by ENCUEROMAN on Feb 25, 2010 8:32 PM PST reply actions  

are you mad

we need the name to de available for lebron to pick it, the name has to be part of the negotiations, if he wants us to be named the LA-Brons we do it, if he wants the Los Angeles lollipops we do it.

by XXDC2XX on Feb 26, 2010 4:25 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

If we get something like the 10th pick can’t we trade it AFTER the draft to a team under the cap? Or would we have a cap hold for the TPE that’s created?

by DariusN on Feb 25, 2010 9:02 PM PST reply actions  

Yes...

The TPE can be renounced.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Feb 25, 2010 10:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Why do we have to trade our 1st round pick?

Why can’t we just hold on to it? Then if Lebron decides to join the Clippers, we can dump the player to a team with a trade exception or that’s under the cap. Honestly who wouldn’t take a free top 10 pick? If we don’t have to renounce the bird rights to our players until we are gonna sign somebody else, why would you have to trade the player picked before then? Is there a rule I’m missing?

by MannyA on Feb 25, 2010 9:13 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

In order to have the full max avalible

we have to trade our pick or another player. If we don’t trade our pick we will not have enough cap space left. I think that unless we get a top 5 pick we should just trade our pick. If we don’t sign a max contract then we can use the money we would have used for the pick on another mid tier FA or we could resign the players we already have.

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by bestclipfan on Feb 25, 2010 9:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I phrased my question wrong.

To sign a max player, we have to trade away our 1st pick, we also have to renounce all our rights(bird rights,midlevel and bi-annual) yes we will have all those because we are currently over the cap. To create the cap space we would have to renounce all those rights. The thing is we don’t have to renounce the rights until Lebron (or other) agrees to sign. If they reject our offers, we still hold the rights to our players(Outlaw, Butler, Blake,rhino…). Why can’t we do the same with the pick. Only trade it once we have confirmation that Lebron will sign with us?

by MannyA on Feb 25, 2010 10:03 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

You're right...

It’s easier to trade the pick without taking back any salary before making the pick. But we could wait and begin a negotiation with LeBron, and then make the trade if it seems promising. Similar to the last minute trade Philly made to free up pace to sign FElton.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Feb 25, 2010 10:11 PM PST up reply actions  

It sounds like in one week

you have to figure out who may be interested in signing with you and what trades you’ll have to pull in order to make it happen, although you won’t know until the last day what the cap is and how much $ you really have. All the while you have to think about plans B’s and C’s, as well as what other teams alternates plans are and how the sands might shift beneath you. It sounds pretty much beyond brain capacity.

What’s the point of not announcing the cap beforehand? Is there a little sadism involved here? LOL.

"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT

by SilverClip on Feb 25, 2010 10:08 PM PST reply actions  

LOL It does seems sadistic, but has a purpose.
Each season, the NBA will have a moratorium period in which teams may hold negotiations but cannot sign contracts. It is during this time period that the NBA and NBPA conducts an audit that assists in the determination of the new Salary Cap figure for the following season which will be in effect on the date following the day the moratorium is lifted.

Limited exceptions to this rule apply to Rookie Scale contracts with first round draft picks, minimum contracts of one or two seasons (with draft picks and free agents) and Restricted Free Agents who may sign contracts.

by Lawler 4ever on Feb 25, 2010 10:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree...

Seems like the cap should be announced a little earlier.

"look, you can find any coach you want, bring him in here and run the situation. But I don't think they are going to do as good a job as I do." -Mike Dunleavy Sr.

by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Feb 25, 2010 10:46 PM PST up reply actions  

It's only gonna take 5 seconds

To know wether Lebron is actually interested in the Clips or not. If he says I’m interested, then you move heaven and earth to make it happen. Even if it doesn’t happen you have to try. But if he say no chance, you move on and lose nothing. If we happen to win the lottery, then we don’t need Lebron. That said, he is good friends with Wall. We might be able to dump Baron for a smaller bad contract and still get Lebron. No, I’m not on crack!

by MannyA on Feb 25, 2010 10:33 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

It's an honor to be mentioned in the post Steve

Draft Picks have a monetary value of $0.

We hold the rights to the drafted player and could trade the rights to another team for the rights to another player with a lower cap hold, a 2nd rounder’s rights, future draft pick, etc.

I have estimated the 10th pick to have a cap hold of around $1.87M based on cap holds for the last 2 seasons. Players can be signed anywhere in between 80% to 120% of that amount. Teams typically use 120%. The Cap hold would still be the figure used until the player is signed though.

We really don’t know what we can do until the cap figure is announced, or leaked. Depending on where it lands, determines some of our options. We could trade the pick or move DeAndre Jordan to free up a couple hundred thousand dollars. I don’t think we would do that, but I’m just using him as an example.

The Cap would have to (approximately) be:
$54,332,620 to keep DJ and the 10th pick.
$53,951,835 to keep the 10th pick after trading DJ for future considerations.
$52,938,881 to keep DJ & trade the 10th pick.

by Lawler 4ever on Feb 25, 2010 10:49 PM PST reply actions  

And...

that is true both before and after the draft, until the pick signs a contract. Thanks

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Feb 26, 2010 7:59 AM PST up reply actions  

But if we pick the player

Can’t we just trade him to a team $1.87 mil under the cap or with a trade exception of $1.87 mi? Other teams will jump at the chance to get a lottery pick for almost nothing. Why would we give it away if we don’t absolutely have to. Unless there is a rule against it, it’s the smart thing to do and I actually think GMMDsr is a smart guy, so we’ll be ok. Plus, I doubt we get BronBron anyways.

by MannyA on Feb 25, 2010 11:08 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

We can still pick the player, and wait to see what happens.

There is no monetary value for an unsigned pick. An example would be when Memphis traded Kevin Love for OJ Mayo.

The Wolves have reached an agreement in principle with the Memphis Grizzlies that sends the draft rights to Mayo, Marko Jaric, Antoine Walker and Greg Buckner to the Grizzlies in return for the draft rights to Kevin Love, Mike Miller, Brian Cardinal and Jason Collins.

The Draft Rights to both Love and Mayo counted as $0 in this trade. The rest of the salaries matched within the allowable percentages. Minnesota wanted to cut long-term salary for better contracts. It’s like a coupon, it may be $5 off, but it doesn’t hold a monetary value of $5. It would say something like having a value of 1/20 of $.01 or something like that.

No decision on trading our pick would have to be made until after:
1.) We learn that a MAX FA even wants to sign with us. This would likely be earlier in the week.
2.) We learn the actual Salary Cap Figure.

If nobody worthy of a max contract wants to sign with us, then it’s a pretty simple decision.
If the cap is high enough, then we won’t have to trade it.
If a max player agrees to sign with us and the salary cap is lower than expected, we can then make a trade that will sufficiently free up the necessary cap space. It could even be a sign and trade.

by Lawler 4ever on Feb 26, 2010 12:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Sharp summation. Thanks.

And thanks to SP for clarifying the cap hold we’d still have if we traded for Rubio.

I’m inclined to agree with MannyA above, that there’d have to be some team out there with cap space who’d jump at the chance of picking up a lottery pick for next to nothing. One catch, though. Several of the teams with cap space might delay their jump, as they’d be waiting to see how the free agency pans out. We’d be caught in a loop, then: Other teams won’t take our pick because Lebron still hasn’t been taken yet because other teams won’t take our pick. Bummer.

I still think we should take our pick and just try to stay nimble with free agency.

"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT

by SilverClip on Feb 26, 2010 8:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Just a question: Paul Pierce and Ray Allen

Glancing through this, i’m wondering about some less likely options. Have to say that I spend the occasional moment pondering the BD-Gordon-Lebron-Griffin-Kaman lineup, with DJordan coming off the bench, with SP, JohnR, Jax, MikeyP, yours truly and other citizens rotating through to ride honorary pine on the way to championship. But I’m curious about the other possibilities, beyond the second more obvious step of paying Joe Johnson or Rudy Gay. And the third tier would be signing a collection of current favorites (Steve Blake, Craig Smith, Marcus Camby) at low prices and not spending all the money on a record player or candy.

Break up the Celtics! Or watch the short-lived dynasty crumble, as it were. Pierce will be a free agent, while Kevin Garnett is going to limp through another couple of years and millions of dollars. The Celtics are all about Rondo and maybe Perkins. What kind of deal do they want to make with Pierce? Of course there’s a lot to be said for Celtic loyalty and finishing out his career in Boston, but Pierce will have a limited window to win another championship. Will Boston want to tie up the money to keep him? Does it make sense for them?

Pierce could be an amazing, veteran fit for the Clippers. Again, I’m not sure how long you would want to make a deal for him at this stage, but the Clips could offer him a pretty great deal, I would think. He’s obviously an LA guy and he has a house in Playa and he might want to join up with that BD, Gordon, Griffin, Kaman nucleus, where he becomes the old guy and proven winner, rather than going back to his team where a large portion of the resources are tied up in Garnett.

Ray Allen is also intriguing, though I don’t know his exact contract situation, as he might be ready to slide over into the Michael Finley backup role behind Eric Gordon, squeeze out a few more years, and try to get another ring.

Chances are, obviously, that the Celtics will maintain the course and find a way to add pieces. I haven’t looked at the situation carefully enough to see if it really works. But I don’t think they’re going to get through Cleveland or even Atlanta and won’t make it out of the East, and carrying around Garnett and his deal will hamper them as his utility diminishes. The Clips have a lot of nice pieces and either Pierce or Allen would be a tidy fit and might be a good way to spend some of their money.

Probably just a crazy idea.

by citizen zhiv on Feb 26, 2010 7:52 AM PST reply actions  

Not a fan of either guy

But between the two, I suppose Pierce would fit into our nice hole at SF, but I can’t imagine him willingly leave the C’s. I think he’s going to retire there.

by banandy on Feb 26, 2010 9:37 AM PST up reply actions  

I'd rather go young unless Pierce or Ray Ray could be had for cheap

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
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by Jax on Feb 26, 2010 9:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Cool idea, but

Pierce has a player option next year for $21.5M. I don’t see him dropping that for a short term contract with us. Maybe a longer contract would lure him, but then you’d lose me.

That said, I like the general idea of bringing in a vet who wants to be part of our rising wave. Grant Hill has a $3.3M player option next year, for instance.

"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT

by SilverClip on Feb 26, 2010 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Good info

Didn’t know about the player option. Don’t see him letting that go. No one is going to give him a BD-like contract at this point. Certainly wouldn’t want the Clippers to do it. You wouldn’t want them to give him a contract of, say, 45 million for 3 years, I don’t think. Maybe.

Big difference between Pierce and Grant Hill at this point. Pierce could lead a young team to a title. Hill is a nice piece who would complement other players.

by citizen zhiv on Feb 27, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Are all the Clips free agents unrestricted?

I think so, but Craig Smith is only in his fourth year, right? Was he a number one pick? Never extended? Outlaw?

by John Raffo on Feb 26, 2010 8:52 AM PST reply actions  

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