State of the Nation
Hey guys,
I’ve been watching Clipper games for over 15 years. I live for it; any day with no game is my least favorite day of the week. Because of a strong desire to experience something other than CA for awhile I’m moving to Austin, TX next week to pursue a career in looking for work.
I just felt like doing a bit of a reflection on the future of the club before I’m not able to watch games and I’m left to merely observe the collective genius that is, ClipsNation.
As I'm sure is the same with all of you, a large part of the enjoyment of being a true-blue clipper fan is being part of ClipsNation.com and having somewhere to go to have in-depth conversation, debate, and repartee about our favorite ball club. I’m pretty happy that this experience goes with me wherever I go, even if I can’t afford league pass to watch the games. (I’ll be the guy asking for live feeds at the beginning of game threads now) So, the point being… Hell yeah Steve and the rest of the gang, ya’ll rock! Clipps4life!
Also shout out to the CitizenZhiv types of this blog that always provide meaningful journalistic quality input into the blog. You know who you are and you all make it interesting. I for one wish I could be a more consistently good poster like you guys. Mad Props, it doesn't go unnoticed... +1,000,000 to you all! Thanks for saving me from the hacks at ESPN.
Now, on to the reflecting stuff.
As many a time before in our wonderful Clipper fairyfail, I mean fairytale, we came into this season expecting glowing success, you all recall why we felt that way. Needless to type, it didn’t happen. No need to hash it out in a recap of a kneecap that became salary cap. So let’s look forward as we’ve become experts at doing. Hell, I’d go as far as to say we’re a bunch of self-proclaimed Miss Cleo’s of Clipper future with GMMDSr’s bald head as our magic crystal ball… did I take that too far?
Anyways…
All I felt before the recent trades was… “Oh well, hopefully we can clear enough cap-space to sign Lebron James, or one of the knock-off versions of him, and then maybe grab Rasual & Rhino (a sitcom I’m pitching) and make a good run next season.”
Then the trade deadline 3 for 3 change happened. Concurrently, I was thinking about the free agency scenario and watching the boys, new and relatively old, win the past three games.
I’ve never had the opportunity to watch the Clippers as a team who has a franchise player that drops 25 or 30 pts a game and who is the go to guy at the end of a shot clock, quarter, and game. We’ve just never had that in my tenure as fan. And as ridiculous as it may sound, I think I’d prefer to keep it that way… let me explain.
Okay, Lebron says yes, you roll out the red carpet. Build around him, win titles. No doubt a new future for the team that would involve lots of attention, bright lights and a heavy win column.
Or do you??
When I look at the three superstars; Kobe, Wade, James, I see a couple things worth noting. None of them have single-handedly taken a mediocre supporting cast to a championship. Feel free to argue me on this. But Lebron doesn’t have one at all, Kobe needed Shaq, Gasol and other high caliber help in many playoff situations and Wade needed what might have been the last resurrection of Shaq. On a side note, if Shaq ends up being the missing link for all three of them to win championships, that’s pretty fascinating. Anyways, I’m not sure, other than Lebron, we want to drop a max contract on anyone other than him. Even if we did get him, I just feel like we’d only be five or six deep with a max contract signing. And as injury plagued as we’ve always been, I’m not sure I like that.
It has been the teams like the Spurs who are well worthy of the Dynasty title. I believe because they made a well-rounded team and focused on the less popular specifics like defense, deep benches and good team play is why they were able to stay in the hunt for a decade and not a couple years. Yeah, Duncun is a hall of famer, but he’s not the superstar. He strongly relied on his quality supporting cast.
Here’s the realistic scenario I’d like to play out. I use realistic lightly because I don’t know the details of salary space we have for my scenario, but I’ll do my best to keep it within reason. Also, the other caveat is that the new team is only three games old. But I’m going off the assumption that given their recent success they are only going to improve once they’ve played together for more time. So here we go…
I say build on what we have.
* Keep our starting five intact except the PF position. Resign Butler and obviously put Blake Griffin at the starting four.
* Resign Steve Blake and Travis Outlaw to back up the one and the three respectively.
* See how the rest of the season progresses for Craig Smith and Drew Gooden. Choose the best fit for back-up PF. My guess is Drew Gooden is the best fit because he can play the four and five, flexibility being extremely important. Craig can’t offer that, he’s a lock at back-up four. I think he has to go.
* Keep Deandre as the back up at center and develop him as much as possible. If he struggles, play Gooden and limit Deandre’s minutes.
* Sign a quality veteran shooting guard to back up Gordon, I need some help here guys. I like free agent Raja Bell. Is Ray Allen ready to be a 6th man yet? Is he too expensive? I don’t know, let’s stick with Raja to keep it realistic.
* Keep Bobby Brown to be flexible to back up the pg/sg positions behind Baron, Eric, Steve, and Raja
* Pick up a nice player in the draft to develop at the SF or PF and provide the same third tier support like Bobby Brown does.
* Bring in one or two more players to round out the third tier roster and cover whatever the draft pick didn’t cover. If the draft pick covers the SF position bring back Novak, if the draft pick covers the PF, bring back Mardy Collins.
So here's how it looks -
PG – Baron Davis (Steve Blake)
SG – Eric Gordon (Raja Bell)
SF – Rasual Butler (Travis Outlaw)
PF – Blake Griffin (Drew Gooden/C)
C – Chris Kaman (Deandre Jordan)
Third Tier – Bobby Brown being flexible at the pg/sg
Draft pick at the SF or PF
Novak and/or Collins to round out
What I like about this scenario is that the head coach has a near flawless roster in relation to depth and overall/even talent. You also put your trust in some really great players by giving them nice contracts, and you make it clear they’re all important pieces of the puzzle as opposed to “Bow to your leader, Lebron”. This also gives the coach at least a few powers I can think of that he might not have if salary was dumped in one big contract.
- He can replace players in the starting lineup who are not performing without worrying about sacrificing talent to make his point.
- He knows these players, team chemistry, confidence, players who know each other... all that stuff.
- He can throw all kinds of line-ups to confuse opposing teams. We’ll never struggle with weak second units, overplaying stars and such.
- I believe a big strength about the players we have now is that the backups have different strengths then the starters yet still compliment each other. Baron is completely different than Steve, Butler and Outlaw play differently; Griffin will be different than Gooden, Kaman and Deandre obviously have different talents. Imagine the headache of a scouting report for opposing teams.
- I could argue that the second unit is only a sliver weaker then the starting five. Strength in numbers.
I know that what I’ve said is the perfect scenario, and that’s not in Clipper vocabulary. But I think there’s logic to my reasoning. I feel a little nervous about throwing this out there to you guys who are a lot more educated about this stuff, but I trust you'll go easy on me.
Any thoughts?
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sick lineup, i like it
but we got to bring back rhino and Camby. and maybe we can get Ray Allen at a respectable price. He may want a change of scenery.
I stil say option #1 is to go after Lebron
Lebron is a tremendous talent that can win games by himself. I would also disagree with you that because Lebron not winning a championship somehow makes him less of a player. The truth is Lebron has virtually no one to help him. Even Jordan needed a Pippen to help him and Lebron doesn’t have one. I think that if Lebron comes here he will have the support he needs to win in the playoffs. He will have a former all star point guard who can score and dish, he will have a strong scoring and rebounding big man in Kaman which he doesn’t have in Cleveland, and he will have a future all star in Gordon. Add in Griffin with Lebron and you have the makings of one of the strongest starting lineups in the league. You only get a chance at a star like Lebron about once or twice a decade.
With that said I would not be too disappointed if we just resigned our free agents, but we should at least take a chance at netting Lebron.
" Baron for the win, BINGO!!!! The Clipers Win, The Clippers win!!! "
Ralph Lawler
I agree...but
my fear is that Davis or Kaman goes down, and then you’re left with a pretty thin team behind Lebron… just like his past situations.
this is a great post
If we can get LeBron- it would be amazing, but our depth would suffer and it would be tougher to resign BG and EJ down the road. I think the likelihood is that LeBron will stay with Cleveland. If he does sign with the Clipshow- despite the above downsides, I would be ecstatic and would definitely be all-in. The most likely scenario is that he doesn’t join the clips- in this case, I would not overpay for JJ and wouldn’t purse Gay (chemistry issues). I would stand put and use the money to keep steve blake and outlaw. not sure about gooden/rhino. I like the Spurs analogy. No one knows if BG will be as good as Duncan, but he certainly has the potential. If he can reach his potential, his supporting cast with our current team is just as strong as Duncan’s previous championship teams. What is important for a team to maximize its potential (aside from the obvious talent requirement) is continuity- players knowing each other, knowing their roles, and having good chemistry. The three new guys all fit-in- they have good attitudes, are loved by past teammates (don’t know about Gooden), and are solid pros with good skill sets.
by KeithClossrules on Feb 26, 2010 2:03 PM PST reply actions
thanks
Yeah, continuity is definitely a concept that needs to be on the list!
Soooo....
what you’re saying is that after winning 3 huge games (sac, det, cha), the clippers as currently assembled are a playoff team?
Even if they are a playoff team… they squeek in as a 6, 7 or 8 seed and get eliminated by round 2 every year. That’s not my definition of success.
In order to be even considered a playoff threat, this team needs a HUGE boost in talent… and Griffin’s return is only one component of that needed boost.
You cant win playoff series with just “very good” talent. You need at least an MVP candidate, which the Clippers aren’t even sniffing right now.
If you go into the season thinking you may have the talent to get you a shot at the playoffs, you are aiming low. You need to go into the season KNOWING you will make the playoffs and hopefully everything goes right and the stars align and you win a championship.
Lowered expectations do not produce winners. YOu have to go after the BIG SCORE…. Steve Blake and Travis Outlaw are great backups and definite upgrades over AT and Bassy, but that’s not saying much. You need a STAR to win ballgames that count.
yeah, I might be aiming a little low, but...
I’m being realistic. What you call lowered expectations I call realism. This team needs to prove they can make the playoffs several years in a row and create a winning product. And this was my input on how to achieve that scenario. Gotta reach your goals one step at a time.
Yes Lebron might be able to walk in the door and start winning championships, but we probably aren’t going to get him. So, I’m looking at our Plan B when he signs with Clevland. And the point I’m trying to make is that it might be wiser to build around the recent success although very premature (If you read early in my post, I did state that it was my last reflection on the team before I’ m not able to see the games anymore) So, I’m aware it’s a premature prediction.
But I don’t think giving Joe Johnson, Rudy Gay or whoever a big ass contract just to score 10 more points a game at their position is what this ball club needs. It needs the things I listed above.
I’m saying I like the chances of the team as it’s assembled now + Blake Griffin, a really nice free agent pick up at the 2 to back up Gordon, and a good draft pick. That has potential to be a consistent playoff team. Then you make tweeks where there needed. I find that much more deserable than signing Joe Johnson to a fat contract and filling out the rest of the team with Mardy Collins’s and Ricky Davis’s…
It all depends on Blake Griffin
Remember, he was a consensus #1 pick and not too many of those are busts. He may be the “BIG SCORE” cueball is searching for. Again, if we can get lebron, I will be ecstatic. Short of him though, none of the other candidates (at the SF position) are worthy of handicapping the bench/ future contract flexibility.
by KeithClossrules on Feb 26, 2010 3:30 PM PST reply actions
I don't see Griffin scoring too much
because he is a big and it is very hard for bigs to score a lot of points because they are dependent on their point guard to get them the ball.
" Baron for the win, BINGO!!!! The Clipers Win, The Clippers win!!! "
Ralph Lawler
This team you suggest would certainly be lovable
I’d like to know how many times in the past we’ve kept most of our roster in tact, season to season.
Well-rounded or not, though, I think we’re going to need another game-changer in our midst, a player who is better than merely good. Otherwise, the team is just headed for mediocrity.
I’m more likely to take your strategy seriously if our draft pick is high, and we land a sharp-looking talent. Since we also have Minni’s pick in 2012, maybe the draft will eventually smile on us. On the other hand, the team’s improvement may not develop fast enough this way. We’re battling a malignant sort of image problem, and to counter this we seem to need a more abrupt influx of star power, so that our fortunes don’t stall on us mid-flight. Just imagine another season or two of .500ish ball, leading our frustrated free agents to sign elsewhere, and bringing us back to square one.
Changing the Clippers fortunes is a little like pulling the US economy out of its recession. The team needs a stimulus bill, but the question is how much and how fast.
"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT
If you can get Lebron, you just have to do it, he has a chance to be the greatest player of all time...
But this is a well thought out post, and I wouldn’t mind seeing these ideas come to fruition, as long as the Clips resign BSkinnz.
Yay yay.

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