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Atlanta 103 - Clippers 97 - The Hawks Made 4 Runs, LA Responded 3 Times

Here's the deal.

It's late, and I have a cold.  I didn't get the chance to watch the game on the DVR until after 10 PM, so now I'm going to dash off some thoughts and then hit the hay.  With two off days before the Spurs come to town, we'll have more time for reflecting on this game - that is if we want to, which we may not.

On one level, one wants to give some credit to the Clippers for leading most of the way against a supposedly good Hawks team on the road at the tail end of an eight game trip.  ESPECIALLY when one considers that no Clipper had a particularly good game.  Chris Kaman and Eric Gordon tied for team high scoring honors with 17 apiece, and Kaman shot 7 for 21 while Gordon was 6 for 17.

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Final - 2.3.2010 1 2 3 4 Total
Los Angeles Clippers 23 23 26 25 97
Atlanta Hawks 17 24 28 34 103

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But there aren't any moral victories; not when you've only got two wins on your road trip.  And hanging on to win this game would have changed the complexion of this trip entirely.  Instead of "3-5 with two straight wins over playoff teams" they're "2-6 including losses to the two worst teams in the league."  Did you hear the difference in those two phrases?  You have to do the first one like Giselle from Enchanted and the second one like Eeyore from Winnie the Pooh for the full effect.

Three main points before I get some rest: 

  • Kaman was astoundingly bad.  His three third quarter turnovers were Stephen King scary.  (And yet, in that mysterious plus/minus stat, he was plus 2.  What game was I watching?)  But, if there's a bit of a silver lining here, I'm relieved to report that this was not, in my opinion, classic Mr. Flippy.  The many, many bunnies he missed were (for the most part) good, strong moves - he just couldn't make shots.  Would I prefer him to dunk some of those balls?  Sure, but that's not really who he is.  The turnovers were classic AD/HD Kaman, or whatever his current medical file says he's got.  But mostly he hurt the team by missing shots.  It happens.  My guess is he'll make those shots next game.
  • The Hawks had four big runs in the game.  In the first three, they cut the lead from six to one on five straight in the second, turned a nine point deficit into a three point lead on an 18-6 run spanning halftime, and whittled a 13 point lead down to one with twelve straight at the end of the third.  On each of those occasions, the Clippers responded, almost immediately, with runs of their own to push the lead back out.  But when the Hawks went on a 21-6 spurt starting at the 8 minute mark, the Clippers didn't have an answer.  Maybe they just ran out of gas.  Maybe they just ran out of time.
  • In that final run, the big difference was the ability to make shots.  The Clippers had PLENTY of good looks to hold onto their lead.  Gordon missed some easy ones, Baron Davis missed an easy one, Marcus Camby missed two key free throws, and of course Kaman was missing makeable shots all night.  Meanwhile on the other end, the Hawks were hitting some high difficulty shots, particularly Jamal Crawford.  Oh, and they were making their free throws (12 of 13 down the stretch).  I could nitpick about Eric Gordon not getting calls that the refs gave to Joe Johnson, but for the most part it came down to making shots.  The Hawks did, the Clippers didn't.

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the game was lost on the 1st 4 plays of the 3rd quarter

kaman lost the game on the 1st 4 plays of the 3rd quarter…3 bonehead plays made by “mr. potato” errrrrr…“mr. bonehead” a/k/a chris kaman…for someone with unquestioned talent, he plays a very bad game…whether its flipping the ball up instead of slamming it, not recognizing double and triple teams, throwing the ball away, not playing defense (he needs to man up on defense) , “my feet hurt” or he didnt take his vitamins…its always some excuse…i can see why the coaches kept him off the all start team..he doesnt deserve it…he has ebnough talent that everyone hopes he has “that break through” when the game becomes clear, but im afraid he is what he is, “a big goofball” who doesnt have the ability to play championship ball….every game is the same thing, either the clips come out as though they are a division 3 team or you hold your breath for the moment when they start doing “stupid stuff” and give the game away.

by dellago on Feb 4, 2010 6:52 AM PST reply actions  

Do we even want to keep hope alive?

Yes, the Clips looked good and seemed to be at full strength before the funk caught up with them, for mysterious reasons. And yes, the trip would have had a very different complexion with good road wins against Chicago and Atlanta at the end of it, partly making up for ridiculous losses against NJ and Minnesota.

And as much as I don’t like watching the Clips stumble and play badly and give games away, I think that where the team is right now is pretty much what’s expected at this point. They’re not going to make the playoffs. They’re going to shuffle their way to 30 wins, and they’ll try to get close to .500. They’re a good, talented team with a lot of nice pieces and a strong starting lineup that can gel at any time. They’re going to win a lot more games, but not too many, and they’ll be fun to watch. That is, unless there’s a new piece of adversity up ahead that we don’t know about, and who knows what will happen or what they should do as the trade deadline approaches. It’s important for them to keep playing hard and to compete, to continue to build habits of winning and closing out with their core group. They’ll be good at home, perhaps very good with some big wins, and they need to get some wins on the road.

But letting last night’s game get away is kind of par for the course for this season, unfortunately. As hard it was to watch Kaman go into doofus mode at a terrible, critical time to start the 3rd quarter, I disagree with dellago and think that the game was lost during run #3, the blistering comeback by the Hawks at the end of the third. The Clips had the game in hand and just didn’t stop that attack quickly enough or respond in kind. It was a tight, close game going into the 4th quarter, though it shouldn’t have been, and even though the Clips built up another smaller cushion, it was going to be tough on them to close out and win that final quarter.

How about DJ’s tidy little drop step move though? That’s the thing. We’ve seen Kaman get funky so many times that it’s old hat. We know it will happen on occasion. At the end of such a long trip, with the lead gone, it was a little sad to see how BD was so frisky to start the game, and kept the Clips going for awhile, but he just didn’t have the spring in his step and on his shot towards the finish. Gordon continued his improved play and hit some 3s, but he was off and came up short too. Camby is fun to watch and phenomenal as always. It’s an incredible asset to have a player who gets his hands on so many balls and gets so many rebounds—it’s extraordinary, and shouldn’t be taken for granted in any way. He missed 2 big free throws, but the Clips weren’t exactly in good shape at that point.

C’est la Clipper vie. It’s okay. Nobody got hurt, guys like Gordon and Kaman are mending too. They’ll be better, and fun to watch, at home. With our lowered, modest expectations, they’re in pretty good shape.

by citizen zhiv on Feb 4, 2010 8:12 AM PST reply actions  

It's no coincidence ...

…that we didn’t respond to the Hawks’ fourth run when Baron had just been called for a bogus 5th foul, and Collins was running the team. The Clips overcame and overcame when Baron was in, but with him and Telfair both out, our only hope was to slow the bleeding.
BTW, zhiv, dellago says we lost it at the start of the 3rd, not the end.

by pipedreams on Feb 4, 2010 11:09 AM PST up reply actions  

I know

Yeah. I was disagreeing with dellago. He said it was the Kaman follies at the beginning of the third that killed the Clips, but I was thinking that it was the blitz at the end of the third.

You’re right though. The BD foul situation was a bummer. Mardy seems like he’s doing okay and even making some plays, but it’s obviously a big setback when BD sits down. He’s done a good job of rallying the troops.

by citizen zhiv on Feb 4, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

do people actually believe

that JJ would leave that good young team for an okay young team? So let’s cross LeBron, Wade, Bosh, and now Johnson off that list. Hello Rudy Gay we are going to overpay you!

by bacek on Feb 4, 2010 9:38 AM PST reply actions  

No

The only difference with Johsnon compared to the other names is that he is a bit older and this is his last big contract oppurtunity. So (in theory) he would be the most motivated by money as opposed to winning as LBJ, Wade and Bosh will all have at least one more bite at the apple for a big contract.

That being said, Johnson ain’t coming either. As others have mentioned in the past, the reason Johnson left Phoenix was so that he could have his own team, which he now has.

I pretty much agree with your entire post. The Clips aren’t getting any of the front line free agents and they will have a ton of money to burn after clearing out all that cap space for the max offer to the stars. When the stars all find homes elsewhere, the Clips will feel like they have to spend the money so they’ll make an absurdly high offer to Rudy Gay which Memphis will be unable or unwilling to match. I like Gay, but this is not the way I think the Clippers should handle the offseason. The smart move would be to take advantage of the Lebron James free agency hysteria now by making a lopsided (in the Clippers favor) trade for a SF now. I loved the idea of basically trading all the expiring contracts for Butler and Jamison. That makes the team better now, which is a good thing since the two best players are 31 and 28, but it doesn’t saddle the Clippers with 5 more years of contracts like Iguadola and Deng would.

by Michael White on Feb 4, 2010 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Usually the older guys are more motivated by winning than money

If they’ve been able to keep track over their money and accumulate it over the years they’ll take a smaller payday (if necessary) to go to a legit contending team.

by dulciusEXasperis on Feb 4, 2010 10:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Not sure...

Why, M. White, do you assume Clips management will automatically overpay for Rudy Gay… or anyone else? If Dun’s still in charge, and let’s assume he is, he’s established a pretty rigid code of not overpaying for guys even when he needs them: Let’s use Bobby Simmons as an example; Dunleavy loved him and he rightly let him walk when the money got too high.
You say, “I like Gay, but this is not the way I think the Clippers should handle the offseason.” Well, they haven’t handled it that way, have they?
I think the rest of your note smells a bit of pre-2009 thinking. There’s going to be a lot of good free agents (including some of our own) out there looking for contracts and not that many teams are in financial condition to pay them. There are also going to be other guys, good pieces, who teams need to trade because of cap problems. Perhaps there will be more R. Butlers and Cambys (by any other names) to be had for scraps. This is a place where the Clips front office has shown some real ability.
Even if the worst happens and the Clips can’t sign one of the max-offer guys and their own guys (Butler, Smith, Camby) sign early to other teams, are those guys really irreplaceable? Really?

by John Raffo on Feb 4, 2010 2:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Isn't that the way the salary cap works?

I’m not the foremost authority on these sort of things, but if the Clippers clear out a ton of cap space for a max offer, and then they don’t use it, won’t they essentially be penalized in future periods as the salary cap for them contracts as a result? Assuming I am correct on this point, it would seem like an almost necessity to spend the cap space, which is where I think Rudy Gay comes in. He fills a need, he’s an RFA so they’ll have to make a strong offer, and it’s a “use it or lose it type” scenaria WRT cap space. Anyway, I could be wrong on this, so let me know if I am mistaken.

Even if the worst happens and the Clips can’t sign one of the max-offer guys and their own guys (Butler, Smith, Camby) sign early to other teams, are those guys really irreplaceable? Really?

No. I wouldn’t care at all and that wasn’t my point. My point was more that the Clippers can be more aggressive now and trade Camby/Smith/Butler and fill the need now as opposed to later.

by Michael White on Feb 5, 2010 8:49 AM PST up reply actions  

There is no penalty per se

The salary cap is a set number for all teams. If they don’t use all of the money, the cap space sits there and it can be used to trade for players for nothing such as the Camby trade. If they don’t do anything it just sits there and when free agency comes around again they can try again.

The problem with not spending the money is that is talent you don’t have; lack of stars, thin bench, etc. The problem with trying to lure free agents is you are the Clippers. And now you are the Clippers with massive uncertainty in coaching and the front office.

Going hard for Rudy Gay will be a grievous error that could potentially cripple the franchise for years.

Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball

by John R on Feb 5, 2010 10:12 AM PST up reply actions  

We would have uncertainty either way

Dunleavy was going to be a lame duck coach next year unless you think he was going to get a extension somehow. Also there is a minimum salary cap as well so you can’t sit on all your cap space, although you can probably sign some guys for 1 year deals and try again the following off-season.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Feb 5, 2010 12:07 PM PST up reply actions  

"sign some guys for 1 year deals and try again the following off-season."

See also: Clippers 09-10?

Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball

by John R on Feb 5, 2010 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Didn't see this yesterday...

And now the argument has been overshadowed by the coaching change. But I think we’re talking about two different things. You, Michael White, are thinking that the Clips will create this big cap space hole and fill it with one player… or bust. I don’t think management should (or will) panic like that. If you clear cap space and don’t land a big fish (LeBron et al.) then you can fill it with multiples. Rudy Gay might fill part of that hole, but there’s no reason to overpay him in the process. You can fill in the rest of your roster with quality pieces for less money (be they R. Butler, Craig Smith or others). You’ve got a lot of flexibility.
My point was the Olshey and Dunleavy have been very smart about the cap, very very smart. There’s no reason to thing that smartness will go away.
Interestingly, when I heard Dunleavy was giving up the coaching seat, I immediately thought, good, he’s realized he needs to concentrate on what to do with this roster NOW… which might fit in with your argument that the Clips should make an in-season move. The Jamison-Butler acquisition would be a very hard deal to turn down… even if it means giving up Camby, which I HATE. But who plays PF on that team, Jamison and Smith?

by John Raffo on Feb 6, 2010 9:07 AM PST up reply actions  

The Kaman miss and bucket at the end of the quarter was a killer

Have to disagree with zhiv Kaman was not a factor in this game the ATL bigs limited him and it was sad to watch.Great work by ATL and another por effort for the clippers. Iknow Steve was on limited time but some things that were big that just shouldn’t have been ignored:

-Al Thornton played 21 mins and only took 6 shots and made 4. Why in the hell was Al not in the game when in a rare even Al was on and creating for himself and his teammates. It’s was utterly mind blowing stupid that Thornton dind’t have the offense ran through him and we constantly forced the issue with Kaman. Team should have mad some adjustments and got Al more involved.

-DeAndre Jordan played 04:34 mins during a night when Kaman is playing terrible why does DJ remain on the the bench while he was having such a strong prodcutive game. Most of what DJ was doing can’t be put in stats as he was able to keep ATL out the paint and use his athleticism to throw shots with 2 blocks in 4 mins.

-The rotation you can throw all the stats you want out there playing the starters for the entire third and expecting them to come back early in the 4th is dumb not only does it fatigue the starters in case the bench breaks down, the bench hasn’t played since mid second after going through late second, halftime, and 3/4 of the third quarter without any game time. Espcially on back to backs switch it up already give the starters the whole second give the bench most of the third and allow the starters to finish the third and get into the fourth with a mix of both.

by KillaClip on Feb 4, 2010 2:24 PM PST reply actions  

Joe Johnson

Anyone still not want this guy? He is a bit older, but I think we’re a team that could use another veteran. Especially a veteran scorer or wing, something we don’t really have.

Why leave Atlanta? He’s been disgruntled w/ Josh Smith and some of the other youngsters on his team from time to time, and like any top competitor wants to compete for a championship.

Why not come to the Clips? Hard to tell whether he would like to play for the other team in L.A., he’s supposedly good friends w/ Kobe. Does he feel we’d be a title contender? That’s a tough read for a lot of these guys, especially JJ. He’s more of a quiet guy who keeps to himself, he’s really like an older EJ come to think.

by ghost_ride on Feb 4, 2010 4:11 PM PST reply actions  

The problem isn't adding Joe Johnson

Its just that its impossible to add him for the right price. You might be able to steal him for a max contract, but he isn’t worth a max contract.

Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball

by John R on Feb 5, 2010 10:06 AM PST up reply actions  

JJ

Is a tough one to sign as the Hawks are playing well and the Hawks can pay him more than anyone else. John R is right in that we’d have to overpay him to lure him here.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Feb 5, 2010 12:16 PM PST up reply actions  

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