Clippers 108 - Utah 104 - Can't Do Anything the Easy Way
The Clippers insist on making things difficult. Playing one of the absolutely hottest teams in the NBA, a team they rarely if ever beat, they led wire-to-wire to win the game. And yet it is the near complete meltdown in the final 2.5 minutes that we'll all remember, the 150 seconds that gave ulcers to our ulcers.
The Clippers led 99-84 with under 4 minutes to go and then again 101-89 at the 2.5 minute mark, Lawler's Law supposedly slamming the door at that point. But the Jazz went on a 12-2 run over the next two minutes and 15 seconds, with Deron Williams at the line for two free throws to tie the game with 16 seconds left. Amazingly, he missed them both, the Clippers made 5 of 6 free throws down the stretch and won the game.
How did the Clippers almost give away a 12 point lead in 150 seconds? It started with some plain old missed shots. Rasual Butler missed an open three, Baron missed a 15 footer. The Utah comeback was also abetted by several three point trips. A Kyle Korver three pointer had trimmed the 15 point lead earlier. Then conventional and-ones by Boozer and Williams saved Utah an extra trip when they scored 12 on only five possessions. But the biggest problem was that LA was allowing Utah to score so quickly and easily. It's tempting to say that the Clippers made a major miscalculation in burning clock for three straight possessions during the Utah surge. And while it's true that holding the ball for most of the shot clock definitely got the Clippers out of sync, resulting in a buch of empty trips, the game would have been over anyway had the Clippers gotten a single stop, or even required Utah to use any clock themselves.
During the 12-2 run, Utah's five straight scores came on possessions of 9, 10, 7, 3 and 3 seconds - 12 points in 32 seconds of offense. That's not acceptable. If your strategy is to nurse a lead at the end of a game, one of the requirements has to be to make the opposition work for their scores. Obviously Utah was pushing the pace, desperate to score. But you have to slow them down some. Instead, the Clippers were somewhere between inefficient and completely lost. For instance, when Baron drove to the basket at 1:10, Eric Gordon should have circled back to cover the backcourt. Instead, EJ camped in the corner, looking for a kick out that never came, and Kirilenko got a run out dunk. If you want to lose your lead, by all means give the other team dunks. Perhaps more maddening was the Jazz possession around 1:30. Kaman is supposed to be defending Millsap, and somehow loses him 5 seconds into the possession. Then, when Millsap receives the pass and Kaman sees him all alone, he barely seems interested in recovering to him - wide open 15 footer.
See how this team makes me crazy? The biggest win in almost two months, and the Clippers have somehow turned me into a nag.
On the plus side, the Clippers played extremely well for over 45 minutes, well enough in fact that they were able to withstand 150 seconds of brain freeze. Baron Davis outplayed All Star Deron Williams for most of the game, and was particularly good on defense. I've said before that I tend to gauge Chris Kaman more by his rebounding (which has been pretty good lately). Likewise, I gauge Baron Davis by his defense. When he begins to mail it in, you see it first on the defensive end. But in three recent games, he's been good to great on defense - he's blocked the shots of Stephen Jackson, Tyreke Evans and Deron Williams this week alone. That's impressive. All season, the Clippers have put Eric Gordon on the opposition's top perimeter player - until this week. Did Kim Hughes challenge Baron Davis to step up to the challenge on defense? However it came about, it's a welcome site, with significant positive implications for next season.
Drew Gooden continued his strong play since arriving in LA, scoring 19 points on 9 shots and grabbing 11 rebounds. I was hopeful going into the game that he'd be a better matchup for the Clippers against Carlos Boozer, and indeed he seemed to be. Boozer still managed to score 20 points on 7 for 12 shooting, but Gooden limited his touches and most importantly kept him off the offensive glass.
Eric Gordon shot well, making 4 of 6 threes, including three in an early fourth quarter surge in which he scored 13 straight Clipper points. If Gordon was so hot, why didn't the Clippers go to him down the stretch? Because Utah put Kirilenko on EJ at about the six minute mark, and the kid never saw the ball again. (AK47 is an amazing defensive weapon - and it's quite a sign of respect that Utah chose to use him on Gordon in the fourth.) Gordon finished with a game-high 24.
Importantly, the Clippers responded each and every time the Jazz made a push to get back into the game. In particular, after the Clippers had built the lead to 14 in the first half, Utah went on an 11-0 run that featured 9 points by Kyle Korver, including a highly improbable 4 point play. It's easy, and not unusual, for that kind of play (Utah had just been through a disaster of a possession and the shot clock was essentially expired when Korver threw the ball at the basket) to spark the trailing team and demoralize the leaders, and indeed it appeared at first to do just that. But after the lead had been cut to three, the Clippers responded with a 7-0 run of their own to push it right back out to double digits, where they kept it more or less until... well, we've already covered all that stuff. That particular response featured a healthy dose of Travis Outlaw, who needs more minutes if you ask me.
So in the end, it's an LA win over a very good Utah team. It's easily the best win of the Kim Hughes era and it stretches the Clippers home record to a not too shabby 18-12. On the season, the Clippers now have wins over Denver, Boston, LA and Utah, a fairly impressive group of scalps. With Phoenix and Oklahoma City coming to town this week, they'll have chances to add to the collection.
We always talk about the calls that went against the team when we lose, let's talk about the calls that went the Clippers way in this game. The team's only bucket of the final 2 minutes came after Kaman set a nasty pick on Williams, freeing Baron up for a 15 footer. It could EASILY have been called an offensive foul, and probably should have, although I'm not a big fan of that call unless the screener is moving. Kaman was in position - but he clearly gave Williams a little extra to send him sprawling.
The other big break was the foul called against Baron on Williams' layup at 16 seconds. How is that a break for the Clippers, especially considering that the replay appeared to show Baron getting a clean block? Well, Kyle Korver was all alone to clean up the miss for a layup to tie the game. Instead, Williams went to the line where he missed them both.
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Great win vs. a very good Utah team that is 20-5 in their last 25 games!
I think that 20-5 stat is right, haha.
As for the game, it was good to see everyone get involved. It takes a total team effort to beat a team like the Jazz and the Clippers did it. Eric Gorodn in the fourth quarter was huge. He was on fire from downtown. It was good to see him step up in the fourth. It was also a good idea to put AK47 on him. EJ didn’t touch the ball but one time after that switch was made.
HVYDRT007-"EJ's value is diminishing Game By Game"
Thanks for making my day HVYDRT, lmao!
I hate to say it
but I fell asleep at the fourth quarter.
But from what I saw, Baron was doing a fine job on Deron Williams for the first three quarters. He was frustrating Deron by blocking his shots. The thing that troubles me is the 9 TO’s. I always thought that Utah is a team that will take advantage if you make small mistakes. If Clippers want to win more, 9 TO’s is too much. (Anything above 4 seems alot already.)
Out of curiosity, had Baron gotten his 10th TO, can that count as a triple double? :)
Triple Bumble
Is the preferred nomenclature.
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
by John R on Mar 2, 2010 7:06 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I was about to post as well
Might as well show the link: http://basketbawful.blogspot.com/2008/01/word-of-day-triple-bumble.html
Funny seeing others who read Basketbawful.
The breakdown was disturbing, but earlier in the season we would’ve completely lost this game. Hard to complain about the W, did anyone see what they just did to HOU on Saturday?
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's doing down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Mar 2, 2010 9:15 AM PST up reply actions
1st to 100 wins
its the law.
Lawler’s Law: The first team to 100 points wins the game. In games involving the Clippers since 1978, Lawler’s law has been true 91.5% of the time.
FA in 2010.
Is the 91.5%
a real stat? Where did you find that? Ever since I’ve been a Clipper fan, I knew that Lawler’s Law was a pretty solid rule of thumb, but 91.5% is higher than I would have guessed. I would have thought more like 8/10. Interesting. I love Ralph Lawler. Call it a bromance.
At least I'm also a Redskins fan... oh wait. My sports life sucks.
Its ok Wikipedia
just look for Ralph Lawler
..someone needs to add “Herrrrrreeee comes the Clippers” to his list of Lawler-isms
Ralph mentions the stat from time to time on TV
Haha except I keep thinking he says 99.5%. I think the high number is due to the older days of the NBA where 100 pts was not the norm, so if a team reached that number, especially against the Clippers, they were probably up by a good margin and going to win anyways.
It is funny though
that it always seems to predict the winner even in games like this where the team that gets there almost loses the lead.
" Baron for the win, BINGO!!!! The Clipers Win, The Clippers win!!! "
Ralph Lawler
anyone know who breaks the law more?
being a loooooooooong time STH, I suspect the Clippers blow more games after reaching 100 points first than does the opposition. Anyone know the breakdown on that 8.5%?
by benoit benjamin's two left shoes on Mar 2, 2010 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
I knew it...
I knew they would win when they lost to Sacramento last night. Somehow they can lose to the nets, timberwolves and sacramentos….but when the Lakers, Celtics and Jazzs are in town they will put them away.
By the end of this season I will have a head full of gray and white hairs…
Kaman: 11 shots, 14 rebounds
My new way of sizing up Kaman’s game is whether his rebound total exceeds his shot attempts. Good game, Chris!
Kaman is a good offensive weapon, but he should be treated as one among others. The offense should NOT run through Kaman. It slows the ball down too much, inhibits our passing, and throws other guys out of sync. My favorite stat for the game is the fact that the shot attempts were well dispersed among the starters. Now just take a couple attempts away from Baron and give them to Outlaw… then we’ll have the full zippedy zappedy balanced attack that we ought to be shooting for.
I don’t think it’s any coincidence that EJ is playing better. He does great when he’s active on offense and moving w/o the ball. Now if he’ll just cut back on those one-on-three drives into set defenses…
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zippedy zappedy?
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
Give me the zoppity.
The Office reference?
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's doing down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Mar 2, 2010 9:17 AM PST up reply actions
Technical term.
:-)
We have a bunch of guys who can all score. Pass-move. Move-pass!
Zippedy Zappedy. Nothing else will capture the nuance. Except maybe: Stop F’ing standing around!
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(spelling?) Zippity Zappity
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And no body talked about DeAndre Jordan?
I mean other that those lighting quick 3 fouls in a row,
He had an awesome game, especially on the defense end.
yeah he played pretty well
he really needs to work on a low post game so that we can have him score on something other then an alley oop or a put back.
" Baron for the win, BINGO!!!! The Clipers Win, The Clippers win!!! "
Ralph Lawler
Good point...
I meant to say nice things about DJ, but got too caught up in the complaining. DJ’s shot blocking was great last night. He got four of them, and three of them were very, very tough and impressive. And as my dad likes to say, a blocked shot impacts more than that one play – the next time the team goes in there, that rejection is still on their minds.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
hey....THEY BEAT UTAH
who gives a crap about style points. rejoice already.
by Joe Wolf's Mullet on Mar 2, 2010 7:41 AM PST reply actions
Anyone know the official stat for Kaman's rebounding since Camby left?
I was hoping to see with Marcus not gobbling up boards that Kaman’s rebounding numbers would go back to around a Kaman 2.0 clip, like 13 a game. It seems he should be there, I’ve seen him with 16, 14, 13, and 12 rebounding nights.
Interesting to see Kaman’s scoring going down a bit, which I think actually helps the team as he doesn’t need to shoot as much as he has been… We have shooters for that, and a dude named Gooden who actually has post moves.
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by Gordon for President on Mar 2, 2010 9:19 AM PST reply actions
Since Camby left
Kaman has rebounding games of:
8
10
16
13
15
5 (thrown out against Phoenix)
11
14
For an average of 11.5 rebounds per game. That’s very solid and above his season average.
by Michael White on Mar 2, 2010 9:34 AM PST up reply actions
+1
End the Kaman Emphasis!
Move the ball around. There’s a technical term for that…
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Kaman/Gooden vs. Kaman/Camby
Kaman always has his little surprises and points of interest. Yes, it seems like Kaman’s rebounding form has returned with Camby being shipped out. But why? It doesn’t really make any sense.
And it makes a lot less sense when we think about how the Clippers were a relatively poor rebounding team when Camby was on the squad. Was there no directive covering the fact that the Clips need to be a strong rebounding team in order to win games? So it doesn’t matter if Camby gets a lot of rebounds and you guys don’t need to fight over them, but you, Kaman, need to be a strong rebounder, even if you’re scoring a lot more.
But now with Camby gone, Kaman suddenly gets it. It’s obvious. That’s what’s crazy. Very Kaman, of course.
Seeing a strong outing from Kaman/Gooden against the formidable Jazz makes us remember that the Kaman/Camby experiment always seemed a bit odd. I remember radio pundits, who didn’t know the Clippers or Kaman very well, saying that it made no sense for them to bring in Camby after FElton left, that they already had a center in Kaman. Kaman and Camby were so different and they were also relatively complementary. The experiment worked pretty well, once it finally came together, but not well enough. Kaman stepped up to 3.0 status on the offensive end, but his rebounding drop might well be the key stat that was a significant cause of the substandard record, making the experiment ultimately a failure. Of course Kaman/Camby was supposed to be supplemented by BGriffin this year, as it would have been aided by ZRandolph last year, if Kaman had been healthy.
But there’s nothing experimental about the Kaman/Gooden tandem. Center and Power Forward, old school, basic style. It works, and it should work. Of course, as conventional as it may seem, it’s the most experimental or provisional lineup possible, since the Clips are playing out the last 25 games of another lost season, and Gooden is highly unlikely to be around next year.
Well, I guess its the most expiremental, but as you said, its a lineup of a true Center and true Power Forward. Even though Gooden is likely gone, that will be the arrangement next year with Kaman and Griffin. A more expirimental lineup would be Jordan and Kaman, because they are both centers, and it would be very surprising if that tandem spent a ton of minutes on the floor together next year.
I firmly believe a guy like Gooden should be signed in the offseason (cue the obligatory, unless we sign Lebron.) I like having true PF’s on the floor with Centers, so the rotation can be something like Kaman and Gooden to start, Griffin comes in for Kaman where Gooden slides to the 5, Jordan comes in for Gooden, and then Kaman in for Jordan. Something like that instead of forcing Jordan to play out of position and forcing Griffin to log starter minutes when he will need to have a competent platoon partner at least his first year in the NBA.
by Michael White on Mar 2, 2010 9:49 AM PST up reply actions
Good point on Griffin
I like the idea that Kaman/Gooden, the traditional C/PF combo, is a warm-up for Kaman/Griffin.
So the Clips shouldn’t have a need for a guy like Gooden, as Griffin will be that guy and he will be the starter. The back-ups will be determined by whatever happens in free agency.
The interesting thing, as far a matching things up, is that DJordan becomes the new Camby. It makes sense. And the “experimental combo,” which isn’t on the floor very often, is then Kaman/DJordan.
Makes a lot of sense.
by citizen zhiv on Mar 2, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
So, your position is Gooden rather than Smith next year...
It’s probably a money thing really but Gooden is just a better, more traditional PF. Right? I was going to make a remark as to how Gooden is more like ZR (which probably pleases mwhite) but then I realized that, in many ways, Craig Smith better resembles Zach, so I talked myself out of the argument. I hate to be negative about Camby or Smith, but Gooden brings so much more than either of those guys.
Yes. That’s exactly my position. I really like Smith, and I like rooting for him, but he’s just too limited because of his size. He can’t crash the boards like Gooden, Gooden is an excellent free throw shooter, and Smith is a foul machine. Smith is a capable backup, but with Griffin’s already significant injury history and rust, you really (IMO) need a guy who has starter talent with Griffin taking his time to work into the starter role.
But I can’t imagine it will happen. Gooden is still in his prime and will probably want (and get) a multi-year deal that the Clips understandably won’t be willing to give.
by Michael White on Mar 2, 2010 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
Depends
As I’m looking at it, if we land a very promising draft pick, then strike out with the top tiers, and then if Gooden remains unsigned, I think we should be relatively generous with him. How’s three years at somewhere between $12-20M? I agree that we should have a very capable mentor for Griffin. Meanwhile, as there aren’t a lot of free agents SFs to be had, maybe our best move will be to resign our own (so we can go over the cap).
I’d be considerably more comfortable with the strategy if we landed a strong SF rookie.
Will Gooden want to sign with us, knowing that he’s destined for the bench? I don’t know, but I don’t see him starting too many other places, at least not for a contender.
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FYI
I asked Eric Pincus via Twitter what Gooden will command on the open market.
Respone was: “i’d be surprised if he got more than MLE for 2 years.”
I definitely do that deal (assuming as you say we strike out on LBJ and Wade.)
by Michael White on Mar 2, 2010 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
+1
We need to come up with somekind of an acronym for that “assuming we strike on LBJ or Wade”. AWSOLBJOW blows. “If we whiff on a max player”= IWWOMP. I’m getting tired of saying it. Or I guess just, “Plan B”.
LOL!!!
Oh man, I think it should be “AWSOLBJOW blows,” plain and simple.
Or maybe just “BJ blows”
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Gooden wants a contender i.e a ring.
He has has 9, repeat 9 teams in his past 8 seasons. Most of them contenders he signed with, a few others traded to. Don’t know if he’s aiming for 13 teams, but Denver could be his next ideal location. (Energy big off bench).
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.-1984 George Orwell.
Maybe he'd prefer to settle down
If we start playing pretty well, with Griffin on the horizon, and if we offer a 3 year contract, well…
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You know what they say
It’s nice to want things. But I can’t imagine a journeyman like Gooden can really be choosy on the free agent market. In a way, all players want to be on a winner, but most settle for the best deal they can get. Gooden isn’t Lebron or Wade, he will go with the best offer.
by Michael White on Mar 3, 2010 7:36 AM PST up reply actions
Yup. Best offer.
But he (or Blake or Trout or anyone) might also take the earliest bestest offer. So if LeBron shakes his ass and drags his feet you could screw yourself.
Now tell me if I've got this wrong
In the first part of the year, we had a power forward with no post game, a new and slumping wing guy, a new and slumping backup power forward, a 3rd year wing who couldn’t grasp the team concept, and an up-and-coming SG who had some injury problems and wasn’t ready to take over. Neither point guard, meanwhile, was a particularly good shooter. So, it made good sense that Kaman had to be the main offensive weapon. And as he was taking many shots from mid-range, his offensive rebounding was bound to drop off.
Now the situation has changed. Sool and Rhino have regained their touch, Outlaw is a serious upgrade from AT, we have two PGs who are very capable of running a quick motion, pass-oriented offense, EJ is poised to make a bigger dent on things, and our new PF has both a post game and a mid-range shot.
The upshot: Please insist that Kaman 3 revert back to Kaman 2. His rebound averages should shoot up by 3, and his scoring averages should come down by the same amount.
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Kaman 3.0 is just an indicator of his skill level. If its all the same, I kind of like Kaman better now, since he’s a better player than he was in 2007. Just saying that Kaman no longer needs to be the focus of the offense is fine, but Kaman is a much better scorer now and I kind of like that he is able to score in the paint (or hit a jumper) when called upon.
I don’t really see the logic of telling someone, “look buddy, start scoring FEWER point.” I understand telling him to rebound more or pass quicker out of the double team and if that means scoring less then fine, but while Kaman 2.0 was good, he wasn’t near as good as the Kaman we saw last week against Detroit.
/This comment was tongue in cheek. I don’t think you are actually advocating to have Kaman’s skill level regress.
by Michael White on Mar 2, 2010 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
Agreed
Kaman is more skilled now, which is all for the best. It’s really nothing exceptional to argue that his priorities should tweaked in order to best accommodate our current personnel. It’s nothing close to Kaman bashing.
We need to make certain adjustments. The ball shouldn’t go into Kaman with such regularity, and when he doesn’t have clean shot or an reasonable path to the basket, then he should pass it back. —When instead he’s made the centerpoint of the offense, there are too many TOs and too much standing around. It’s just unnecessary.
Others have long been complaining that EJ isn’t getting enough touches. I think this is symptomatic of the whole Kaman Over-Emphasis. If Baron isn’t predominantly looking for Kaman, if Kaman isn’t burning up the shot clock, if the ball is getting passed around, if players are encouraged to move and make cuts… All this will open things up for EJ, and then I suspect he’ll be much more assertive.
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People complain that EJ doesn't get touches
Because they want to make excuses for him. Anyone who actually watches the game knows that he gets the ball plenty (unless a guy like Kirilenko is locking him up). He’s just too passive. Yesterday Baron let EJ bring the ball up several times and initiate the play just to make sure EJ was involved.
Guards have every opportunity to score. It’s up to them to make the most of it. Plus, maybe if EJ got some freaking rebounds, he’d have some 2nd chance opportunities. Instead he just stands around the 3 pt line and watches like his feet are in cement. Then he casually jobs back down the court. EJ needs to learn to move without the ball better, be interested in the action when the play isn’t called for him, and actually learn to contribute without scoring. 0 rebounds in 43 minutes? Seriously?
And a lot of teams play inside out, with the post player being just step 1 of the offense. Kaman does need to do a better job of passing out of the post. I’m not sure he’ll ever be very good at that though.
I agree with madglove here. I simply don’t see that Baron looks to get Kaman more involved in the game than Gordon. I like that Baron has developed his relationship with Kaman, they are both veteran guys and I think it should be expected that Baron is more comfortable with Kaman. That being said, i don’t see the evidence to suggest that Kaman is unnecessarily the focus of the offense. In fact, I think the Clippers of this year have been much better at adapting mid-game and giving the hot-hand the touches needed down the stretch. Like with EJ yesterday until AK shut him down.
Kaman does need to work on passing out of the double team. But that’s been true of every post player who was ever good enough to command a double team (I remember that was a big criticism of Randolph in Portland which he has since overcome.) I actually think Kaman can develop in this regard; this is really the first year that teams basically have to double Kaman since he can kill opponents if left 1 on 1. I hope Hughes can work on Kaman passing out of the double team in the offseason, but his skills have improved so drastically each year (his offensive game is legit at this point) that I think its possible he develops in this area too.
by Michael White on Mar 2, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
I hope Kim can at least stay on as the big man coach.
What he’s done for Kaman, he can do for DJ and Blake (which should be easier considering Blake has a far higher talent ceiling that either of the centers).
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by Gordon for President on Mar 2, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
He also deserves credit for developing Brand.
by Michael White on Mar 2, 2010 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
Right
Forgot to through FElton in there. That jumpshot was all Kimmy.
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by Gordon for President on Mar 2, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
Some of both
Much of the responsibility falls on EJ. I really do need to qualify my comments more carefully; I’m not one the citizens who’s been placing all of the blame on Baron for EJ’s lack of production. EJ needs to seize his opportunities. …To his credit, he certainly seemed to be doing a better job last night. But some of the credit should also go to the team offense. Kaman had fewer touches, and to my eyes, he clearly was not as much the focal point of the offense. IMO, that made a big difference. The ball was moving, the players were moving, and happily, EJ woke up and played better.
EJ’s game needs some refinement, and he needs to provide his own motivation. He needs to attack more often, but also more selectively.
Kaman, meanwhile, is not a great inside-out passer, which is partly why his offensive role needs to be de-emphasized. If he improves over the offseason, then that of course changes things.
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+1
EJ has to be aggressive to get to the next level. With his personality right now its going to be tough.
by zac4president on Mar 2, 2010 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
Kaman 3 and Kaman 2
No, Kaman doesn’t need to slow down his offensive game. It might slow down and his average could drop anyway because he’s not being force-fed by MDSr, but he’s doing better on that front than I thought he would. He can find ways to get his points and score at the same rate.
That’s the crazy thing. Kaman could have/should have been rebounding like this the whole time. It’s mainly a matter of knowing how important it is, how rebounding at the highest level of effectiveness is absolutely crucial. With Camby around, Kaman wasn’t getting it. Camby would be quicker to the ball most times, and Kaman didn’t feel that he was primarily responsible for the Clippers rebounding effort and effectiveness.
So now it’s obvious, that he wasn’t as good as he needed to be, when he wasn’t rebounding as effectively as possible. It means he wasn’t at his best playing with MCamby, which is unfortunate.
by citizen zhiv on Mar 2, 2010 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
It's possible that the root cause for his lack of rebounding
was his attitude, rather than his positioning on the floor (esp on the offensive end). I suspect, though, that it was a combination of both.
As for slowing down his offensive game, what I principally mean is just what you say, that we shouldn’t be force feeding him the ball. … Though I also mean that he should think more about passing when he has the ball, esp if the opportunity isn’t there. If you think that Kaman should continue to take several dribbles to move in towards the basket while two defenders are basically on him, then I disagree with you.
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You can be blind to it or accept it
Nuggets fans told be when Camby was traded away he steals rebounds to pad his own stats. There were often games where Kaman quit because he wouldn’t get the boards he wanted. Better off with Camby off the bench if Griffin was healthy.
eric gordon: 0 rebounds in 43 minutes
zero…
I’m just sayin…
by cantthinkofagoodname on Mar 2, 2010 10:14 AM PST reply actions
it's not his job to rebound
he is asked as the fastest guy on the team to leak out and look for the outlet. Also it is his job to be the first man back for transition defense
Actually it is
team rebounding is huge, everyone should try to grab rebounds even guards. In fact if we want this team to be a running team it helps tremendously if our guards grab a rebound and then immediately push it up the court. Nate Robinson for instance is a much better rebounder than EJ, so are little guys like Chris Paul, Tony Parker and Allen Iverson. Even Steve Nash is a better rebounder. I just love how everyone is so quick to eviscerate Kaman and Baron on every one of their negatives but EJ gets a free pass on everything.
FA in 2010.
How many times is EJ the one leaking out to get a fastbreak point?
He and Butler are the only players that I see do this. With that said, if we have Baron, Kaman, Gooden, Butler, and Gordon all trying to get defensive rebounds, we would never have any fastbreak points. I would think that Gordon’s 2.8 rebounds per game are just fine. He is a shooting guard, lol.
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2.8 rebounds is not fine
That’s in the bottom 10% of all guards for sure. I’m having a hard time thinking of anyone worse than him besides Earl Boykins. Our bigs have always been decent rebounders, its our wing players (SG and SF) that have killed us in the past on the boards.
FA in 2010.
So what do you want?
Do you think EJ should be getting 4 rebounds a game? EJ has grabbed 4+ rebounds 15 times this year. He has only three games in which he has not grabbed a rebound. Btw, you do know that the Clippers are tied for 15th in total rebounding? That isn’t terrible……
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Btw,
Gordon gets just as many rebounds per game as guys like Rudy Fernandez, Arron Afflalo, Anthony Parker, Morris Peterson, Ben Gordon, etc… What do all those guys have in common? They are all peremiter players, that are also good three point shooters.
Face it, if EJ is going to be a threat from three point, and we are going to open up the lane for Kaman and Gooden, then EJ and Butler are not going to grab a lot of rebounds.
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They're also fringe NBA starters
with the exception of Ben Gordon. So yea, if you want to compare him to average NBA players, then EJ is doing just as well.
If EJ is supposed to be anything more than an average starter on an NBA team, he’ll have to find ways to contribute other than scoring.
If Ray Allen at age 34 can grab 3.4 rebounds, then EJ needs to do better.
And your “three point threat” argument holds no water. Ray Allen as shot nearly 40 more threes than EJ this year.
Maybe the difference is that a 21 yr old EJ needs to learn to work as hard as 34 yr old Ray Allen.
Not only that
EJ gets the most minutes of those guys.
According to rebound rate for shooting guards EJ is 72 out of 75 (with guys who qualify.)
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics?position=sg&sort=reboundRate&page=2
by Michael White on Mar 2, 2010 2:47 PM PST up reply actions
At the sametime, EJ is also the one of the best perimeter players
He is good at what he does. Knocking down threes, leaking out for fastbreak points, spreading the floor, and creating lanes.
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Right
21 year old is already a better perimeter player than Ray Allen… who is only one of the best perimeter players EVER.
FA in 2010.
"one of the best"
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Your argument is its mutually exclusive
if you a good perimeter player then you must suck at rebounding. We’ve merely pointed out you can clearly be both.
FA in 2010.
Who is a great rebounder and great perimeter player?
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It's not that Gordon isn't a great rebounder
It’s that he’s a horrible rebounder.
by Michael White on Mar 2, 2010 2:58 PM PST up reply actions
Compared to the 75 other players
But, do those 75 other players shoot 5 threes a game? Do they have a 4 and a 5 that grab double figure rebounds?
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What are you saying?
You are one of the biggest Baron Davis fanboys on here.
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Only to you
because you have no ability to see beyond your man-crush on EJ.
I’ve said time and again that Baron’s been disappointing. He’s just not as terrible as you wish he was.
What do you want me to say about EJ?
I only tell it how I see it. There are things that EJ needs to work on. Do you want me to list them out for you?
Hahaha, I wish BD was a top NBA point guard. The fact of teh matter is that he is not. He never has been. He has had good seasons, but those were products of being in a system.
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You keep changing the argument!!!
You asked if there is a great rebounder and a great perimiter player. I pointed out that we are not expecting Gordon to be both, we are simply expecting that Gordon not be one of the worst rebounding shooting guards in the NBA.
by Michael White on Mar 2, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
And if he does end up being one of the worst...
What does that do to his game? It does nothing.
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So my question to you would be.
How does this effect his game and the team? You could ask the Clippers coaching staff, and while they would say we want everyone to rebound, I am sure they would also say that our wings do not need to focus on rebounding the basketball.
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Thanks for telling us
what the coaching staff would say. Because I’m sure you’re in a position to know.
After watching this team for 60 games
and having coached myself for four years now. I would think those would be their words.
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keep making up things to try to give yourself credibility
Nobody believes you watch every single game, every single night. Nobody believes you have any real coaching experience.
Next you’ll tell us about your front office experience…on xbox.
Yah
This is a blog, I don’t have to prove anything.
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Then why do you keep making up facts?
Nobody cares about them so if you don’t have anything to prove, stop talking about things that aren’t related to the Clips.
When do I bring up anything no associated with the Clips?
I am beginning to wonder if you guys are fans, or just internet punks.
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This ends the discussion right here
Out of 96 shooting guards, EJ is 92nd. You are comparing him to some guys who play a lot less minutes than him (Rudy Fernandez is actually a decent rebounder, he plays a lot fewer minutes than EJ,). I hope your best argument for EJ isn’t that he is as good a rebounder as Ben Gordon, that’s like saying I hope DJ is as good as Chuck Hayes at FT shooting.
FA in 2010.
Here is my question for you.
How did EJ not getting rebound affect the outcome of the game? Was there any point in time that you said to yourself “oh, if Eric Gorodn would have got that rebound that wouldn’t have happened.”
What would you rather have?
1. EJ be a perimeter player (leak out for fastbreak points, knock down threes, stretch the defense, and create lanes for other players).
Or
2. EJ crash the boards and have Kaman knock him to the floor or loose the ball out of bounds.
There is a reason for EJ not grabbing more rebounds. If you notice, our BIGs grab close to double figure rebounds. Camby and Kaman did and now Gooden and Kaman are. If you also watch teh games you will see that when Kaman has another rebounder (his own teammate) he usually fights them for the board and the ball ends up out of bounds.
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It usually happens that the ball ends up out of bounds?
I noticed that once this year.
by Michael White on Mar 2, 2010 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
It has happened more than once, lol.
If it was kept track, I would say it has happend double digits. Kaman-Camby, Kaman-Butler, Kaman-Davis, Kaman-Smith, Kaman-Jordan.
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Making up stats now huh?
It’s quite obvious that EJ is a pretty specialized player at this point. He’s a anemic rebounder, poor passer (here’s a eye test for you, how many times has EJ left his feet trying to make a pass or thrown a pass at the ankles of a big this year?) and shaky ball handler. I still think the world of him because he has only scratched his potential BUT at this point he still needs to work on all of the above. Rebounding in itself comes down to effort and EJ needs to challenge himself to mix it up more often.
FA in 2010.
Another stat for ya
He’s 52nd out of 96 SGs in assist per 48 minutes.
FA in 2010.
Clipperchuck
That has everything to do with Baron Davis. How many times does EJ get a chance to create for others?
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More often then a lot of guys on the list
He’s a unquestioned starting SG. At most there are only 30 of them in the league, yet he’s still in the middle of all SG’s in assist per 48 minutes when including the scrubs too.
FA in 2010.
Do you not think he will learn from his mistakes?
The way you guys break his game down is as if he is an NBA veteran. He is going to make mistakes. Now if he is only scoring 17+ points per game, grabbing 3 rebounds, and dishing out 3 assists in his 4th or 5th seaosn. Then we have a problem. But then again. If the Clippers get Lebron this summer. Those numbers will actually be very good for EJ.
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I thought you mentioned earlier that you didn't need to hide behind his potential
yet here you are again, in the face of facts, arguing that he will get better.
by Michael White on Mar 2, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
When have we seen a player not get better?
Would 17, 3, and 3 not be good numbers with a team of BD, EJ, LBJ, Griffin, and Kaman?
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That's not the point
but again you change the argument. You emphatically stated that you are defending how good EJ is now, and yet again when somebody points out his current failings you discuss how good he will be.
by Michael White on Mar 2, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
I find it funny that you guys never answer my questions...
This is my 1000th post so make me happy and anyswer my question just once :-)
“IF” the Clippers get LBJ would 17, 3 and 3 be good numbers for Eric Gordon?
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Of course
But if the Clippers got LBJ, Mardy Collins can be the shooting guard and the Clippers would still have their best team ever.
Throwing LBJ into the equation is silly since its such a game changer and the odds of getting him are so remote anyway.
by Michael White on Mar 2, 2010 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
A good rebounding guard can lead to a lot of quality breaks
There’s no question that his poor rebounding is a negative to his game. You keep talking about EJ on the break etc, and thus not need to rebound however the two are not mutually exclusive.
A team can have good rebounding guards and have a lot of fast breaks at the same time.
I would argue that if EJ got more rebounds, the team might possibly get more fast break opportunities.
Look at guards like Jason Kidd for example, he stays back for the far rebounds (outside of the bigs range) and the bolts on the offensive end. Guard led breaks are usually the best.
Now if Kidd doesn’t stay back and gets the far rebounds who usually gets it? It’s a tossup but i would argue a lot of times the opposing team does.
There are countless times that EJ could have rebounded the ball, but he let a BIG get the rebounds instead.
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I agree with NBAFAN on EJ in terms of rebounds
but EJ really needs to work on his passing. It is not as much that he doesn’t make passes it is more that his passes aren’t very good and EJ often makes mistakes while passing on the break. I think improving his handles will help his passing game and I hope that he focuses on those two aspects of his game this summer the most.
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Yeah that is really rare : )
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I have some awesome beachfront property to sell you
It’s in Ohio but I swear the view is amazing.
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I'll trade you for this bridge : )
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LOL
I’m trying to stay out of all this, but it’s true, bestclipfan, that wasn’t a very good sell.
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Who was that fool that said Gordon is in a slump?
doh
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
It doens't make any sense, take a look people.
I am sure that if we had drafted Mayo, these same fans that say EJ is in a slump would say that Mayo is the next Kobe, lmao.
You would think that people would understand that EJ is only in his second year, is only 21, and is doing pretty damn good when you take those things into account. Plus, he has played more than half the season with leg and a foot injury.
For everyone that think EJ should be averaging 20+ points a night, it just doesn’t happen often for a shooting guard in the second year in the NBA. It also is virtually impossible on the 12.7 shots EJ gets a game.
Here are some of the better shooting guards stats their second year in the NBA. I will list shots attempts per game and points per game their second year.
Brandon Roy 15.8 shots per, 19.1 points per game
Ray Allen 16.0 shots per, 19.0 points per game
Danny Granger 10.6 shots per, 13.9 points per game
Joe Johnson 9.9 shots per, 9.6 points per game
Kobe Bryant 11.6 shots per, 15.4 points per game
Monte Ellis 13.1 shots per, 16.5 points per game
Dwyane Wade 17.2 shots per, 24.0 points per game
Kevin Martin 7.6 shots per, 10.8 points per game
O.J. Mayo 14.8 shots per, 17.6 points per game
ERIC GORDON 12.7 shots per, 17.4 points per game.
As you can see, Wade is the only shooting guard currently in the NBA to average 20+ points per game in his second year.
Look at Mayo’s shots per game compared to EJ. Mayo shoots 2.1 more shots per game than EJ and yet EJ is only behind EJ by .2 points per game.
EJ is a very special player, and those fans that think he is slumping or not living up to expectations need to take a look around the league. EJ is not MJ, nor is he Wade, but he is a rising star shooting guard.
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I'm not sure people would be stroking Mayo either
I know there is plenty of frustration with Mayo amongst Memphis fans and wasn’t there the rumor that Memphis offered Mayo and Thabeet for Ellis? Not sure I buy the rumor, but I hardly see how Mayo is considered within NBA circles as some next Kobe. I do think Mayo and Gordon are pretty good comps for one another.
As you say, we’ll have to see how it plays out. But considering that you attempt to villify Baron for every mistake he makes, you shouldn’t cry foul when other posters at CN have a short fuse with regards to EJ.
by Michael White on Mar 2, 2010 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
Huge difference Mike
Baron is an NBA veteran, he is getting paid 12.1 million, and he has experience in almsot every situation.
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Then why should we be so impressed with Gordon if you are just going to hide behind the veil of, “well he’s only 21” and constantly discuss his potential? I agree, he has a ton of potential (I am a huge Gordon fan BTW) but your line of thining seems flawed. If this is a theoretical discussion about how good Gordon could be once he’s a veteran, I don’t really see the point. Besides, the original comment was that Gordon has not progressed as much from last year to this year. That seems like a valid point. I too think its a bit overblown the idea of an EJ “regression”, but he has not developed much since last year. And when people blame that on Baron or Kaman, it pisses me off. Why treat him like a kid? If he’s going to be such a stud player, he needs to show more now (IMO.)
And just throwing out Baron’s salary is silly. Veterans get paid. We get it. That’s just the way it works. Unless you want to run this team on the cheap (meaning Mardy Collins and Deandre Jordan) people need to accept that you need to pay the talent and perfection should not be expected.
by Michael White on Mar 2, 2010 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
Why would I try to concern myself with what EJ will be in the future?
That is just silly. We have the numbers in front of us now. If we say anything about his future is is all just opinions. Numbers don’t lie nor does the eye test. Any fan would tell you that when they watch a Clipper’s game, Eric Gordon doesn not get enough touches. Atleast that is what NBA fans tell me, as well as the many people I talk to from the mid-west. As far as Baron Davis and his salary, he is getting paid too much for the production he is putting on the court. I know his assists are high, but his shooting percentages, lazy play (on many occassions, not all games, but many games), and his shot selection are not worthy of 12.1 million dollars.
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Any fan would tell you that when they watch a Clipper’s game, Eric Gordon doesn not get enough touches.
I would not tell you that.
As to Baron’s play versus his salary. And? What can you do? It’s not like he’s Stephon Marbury or Steve Francis. Yes he makes a lot of money and is probably overpaid, but he can still play. Ton’s of NBA players are overpaid. You can’t fill out the roster will lottery picks like Eric Gordon, you have to fill in the gaps elsewhere.
by Michael White on Mar 2, 2010 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
That is b/c you are a Baron Davis fan
Fans outside the west coast, see his game for what it is. I understand that Baron has many loyal fans b/c he grew up in Cali, played at UCLA, played for the Warriors, and is now a Clipper. I can just see past those things.
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Nonsense
I am not a UCLA fan and I like to think I can evaluate talent absent of where they grew up. As for fans outside the west coast, um, how many games are they watching compared to us Clipper fans (from the West Coast) ?
You are the one who seems to be the most influenced by your man crush on EJ. I killed Baron Davis on this board all last season. But his play is much better and I’ve changed my position as a result of his on the court production as I’ve seen it this year.
by Michael White on Mar 2, 2010 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
Man crush?
So it is wrong to be a fan of a player?
As far as Baron, and his season thus far. Not much of a difference from last year. But, I guess you and others are easily pleased.
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Btw, funny how you say that to me
When there members on this blog that are fans of Baron Davis that put him on a pedestal, but they are too blind to see that they are wearing blinders.
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We don't put Baron on a pedestal
We just don’t blindly hate certain players and blindly love others. We love the Clippers.
And frankly, it’s laughable that you of all people would talk about blinders.
I think EJ gets a fair amount of touches
I consider myself an NBA fan and I don’t ever think I’ve watched a single game this year and thought, “Eric Gordon needs more touches”.
I think he just needs to SLOW down and let the game come to him. Seems like he’s trying so hard he’s turning it over a lot.
But, but, you’re from the West Coast. Therefore you are predisposed to being a Baron apologist apparently.
The only true and knowledgeable basketball fans are from the midwest.
by Michael White on Mar 2, 2010 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
Here are a few more....
Ben Gordon 14.4 shots per, 16.9 points per game
Manu Ginobili 10.3 shots per, 12.8 points per game
Jason Terry 16.7 shots per, 19.7 points per game
Richard Hamilton 16.0 shots per, 18.1 points per game
Caron Butler 9.9 shots per, 9.2 points per game
Jason Richardson 14.2 shots per, 15.6 points per game
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EJ
I am beginning to think that we expect too much for EJ. He had an amazing rookie year, and I think it might be one of those years where the planets were aligned perfectly and everything he did was great. This year might be a more real indication of what he is. He is still a very solid player, but definitely can use improvements in the off season with his dribbling, passing and movement without the ball.
"planet aligned" deals???
Gordon was regarded as one of the top players in the country his senior year in h.s. and ended up as the #1 player in the nation going in to college. This is not some aligning of the planets rookie season for Gordon. There is great reason to believe he can be what has been expected. His rookie year was right on point with his abilities. He hit no rookie wall last year. He had some lacking games this year. On a side note to restate; he was quicker, stronger and a better jumper than Bayless, Westbrook, Mayo and Rose going into the draft. We already know he was a better scorer than all of them. What he proved his rookie year was that he was quite possibly even a better defender than them as well. So all of the expectations were and have been warranted. With that being said however, with all of those said abilities of Gordon (strength, quickness, jumping) he should NOT be getting such dismal rebounding numbers and that’s actually one of the simplist to remedy. I must say that I am dissapointed in his turnovers as far as lack of passing is concerned, since he has mentioned he wants to eventually run the point. By the way; should there even be one ounce of doubt that Gooden is a better target to keep than Rhino and I really like Craig but as it was correctly stated, he has more ineffiencies than Gooden. Never have we had a power foward that was able to pick up the ball and drive to the basket like Gooden does, since the likes of maybe vin baker and he was on the downward swing. Gooden also provides that hustler mentality much desired.
by Takebb909 on Mar 2, 2010 1:49 PM PST via mobile reply actions
There is a reason why Drew Gooden has been on 8 teams in his 8 year career
He just simply does not get it over a full season. He will put up 15+ points and 10+ rebounds for a two week span, and then he is scoring 9 points and grabbing 6 rebounds for another two week span. Gooden is not the type that would come off the bench either. If he was he would be a good signing this summer.
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There is no decision on keeping Gordon versus Rhino
Gordon will be here next year. Nobody on the board would advocate otherwise.
by Michael White on Mar 2, 2010 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
Nobody said anything about Gordon vs. Rhino
This is about keeping Drew Gooden, lol.
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I agree
He doesn’t deserve to be a Clipper. Actually, let me rephrase that. Clipper’s don’t deserve him.
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Would you still be a Clipper fan if Gordon left/was traded?
Honest question.
by Michael White on Mar 2, 2010 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
I would send him to the D league now!
Atleast down there he would get more shot attempts :-)
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Oh. Whoops
Yup, that makes more sense.
I misread that pretty badly.
by Michael White on Mar 2, 2010 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
Kaman in NOT
A 4th quarter option. He is the anti thesis to Roy. Kaman is great for this team in quarters 1-3. He however needs to be option 2,3 or 4 in the fourth quarter. It seems like his focus drastically drops in the fourth quarter. It seems leems like at that time turnovers and “mr. flippies” rear their heads. Forgot to add all that.
by Takebb909 on Mar 2, 2010 2:15 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I was at the game and I thought the Clips played very well until the last 2 or 3 minutes
I was very impressed with the offensive flow as well as the defense.
Kaman is frustrating to watch at times.
Re the last 2 mins – from my vantage point BD for some reason just could not handle closing down the game against D Williams. Williams seemed quicker than BD generally and when they ratched up the pressure it just seemed like he (and others on the team, but particuarly him because he’s the pg) froze.
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A win is a win.
I’m as disappointed with the final two or three minutes as anyone else, but the Clippers did get a victory against one of the top teams in the Western Conference. That counts for something, and shows that they have the talent to compete. I just hope that they can bring that kind of effort night in and night out.
Props to EJ who did a great job tonight getting his game high 24. He’s got to be the go-to-guy down the stretch. I know I’m not the only one saying this, but it’s good to see him go and get his like he did.
Love the Review
I liked the win but way too many people wanted to ignore how terrible that last few mintues were. In our recent win versus the Chicago Bulls we played such a bad game I made the comment we lose 9/10 times we play like that I’ll say the same for this.
To Majority of the topic
-Eric Gordon needs to work on his rebounding the team has a better chance with second chance points if a player is aware of the long rebounds that happen.
-Gordon’s low assist have nothing to do with Baron and all to do will his poor ball handling and passing skill which have improved highly over the past week. Don’t cringe as often when Gordon has the ball and is tring to create.
-Baron had a strong game but that many TO’s is still unacceptable I saw that a few where from teammates not being in position to catch and finish but come on now. As Steve pointed out the defense was welcomed and encouraged.
-Not sure if I glanced over it but I would like see have seen Steve’s opinion on contesting the last shot in a game when we were up 4 points. That had to be the most disturbing part of the game espcially when you at how Gordon hit Korver on the arm and the basket almost went it.
Is KillaClip spreading blasphemous rumors about EJ?
Or did he really foul another 3 point shooter, up by 4? Can somebody corroborate?
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