Dunleavy Out as Clippers GM - What Does It Mean? I Don't Know.
As you've no doubt heard by now, Mike Dunleavy Sr. is no longer the General Manager of the Los Angeles Clippers. Just 34 days after he stepped down as the team's coach, the Clippers have 'severed' the relationship completely. Let's start with the only thing we really know for sure - the contents of the press release from the Clippers:
Here's a quick rundown of reaction around the web to the announcement:The Los Angeles Clippers and General Manager Mike Dunleavy today have severed ties. Dunleavy previously also served as the team’s head coach from 2003-04 until February 4, 2010, when he resigned as head coach.
The organization has determined that the goal of building a winning team is best served by making this decision at this time. The team has simply not made sufficient progress during Dunleavy’s seven-year tenure. The Clippers want to win now. This transition, in conjunction with a full commitment to dedicate unlimited resources, is designed to accomplish that objective.
Neil Olshey, presently the Clippers’ Assistant General Manager, will assume the duties created by Dunleavy’s departure. He joined the organization as Director of Player Development for the 2003-04 season. He served as an Assistant Coach in 2004-05, and was elevated to the position of Director of Player Personnel from 2005-06 through 2007-08. He assumed the role of Assistant General Manager prior to the start of the 2008-09 season.
Olshey has played an important role in the completion of several significant team transactions, including the deals which brought Marcus Camby, Craig Smith, Rasual Butler, Steve Blake, Travis Outlaw, and Drew Gooden to the Clippers, among others. He also played a integral part in administering all preparation for the Clippers’ last four NBA Drafts, which produced Al Thornton, Eric Gordon, DeAndre Jordan, and last year’s #1 overall pick, Blake Griffin.
- If you can only read one other post, make it Kevin Arnovitz on TrueHoop. He knows the organization much better than most, and he has some interesting tidbits about interim GM Neil Olshey.
- Lisa Dillman started with a quick blog post and a couple of tweets (@reallisa). She then got a few tidbits from Dunleavy himself, who seemed truly in the dark about the whole thing.
- Ramona Shelburn on ESPNLA focuses on the harsh language in the press release, and it's implicit commitment to winning.
- D.J. Foster offers his reaction on ClipperBlog.
- Tim Povtak, one of FanHouse's NBA writers, happens to be based in Orlando, so he was on hand for the reactions from Hughes and the team.
For my part, I'm going to start by thanking the entire Clippers organization for continually stoking the fires of this here blog these past 34 days. Several times now, it has appeared as if the citizenry were losing interest in the annual ritual of 'playing out the string'. At the beginning of February, the page views were way down. But on February 4th, Dunleavy's resignation gave us a nice boost, and All Star weekend kept the numbers up for a bit. Just as interest started flagging again, two major trades just before the deadline drove an even bigger spike in traffic. Interest in the newly consituted team remained quite strong for a couple of weeks, and had really only started waning in the last few days - so naturally the organization stepped up again and ousted Dunleavy, just so my little blog could continue to thrive. So merci beaucoup, Monsieur Sterling. It's much appreciated. FYI, February was the second best month in the history of Clips Nation, behind only July 2009.
Beyond my own selfish reasons for liking this announcement, I can only speculate as to what's going on.
There's a theory in geopolitics called the Rational Actor Model - basically, it says that your actions should be based in part on what your adversary is going to do, and that you can assume that your adversary will make rational decisions. That may be a bad assumption in the case of the Clippers (and I'm referring specifically to owner Donald T. Sterling here); but I don't have anything else to go on here, so let's see if we can ascertain a rational reason for this turn of events.
It should be noted that by all accounts today's announcement came out of the blue. Several NBA writers have implied that Dunleavy was caught off guard - our own own reallisa tweeted that he texted her that he had 'no clue.' It doesn't seem to make sense to delete 'Head Coach' from his business cards on February 4th, only to strip him of his remaining duties a little over a month later - that doesn't seem to serve anyone's purposes, except those of the guys coveting page views. So it would seem that something else came up in recent days that precipitated this announcement (there I go thinking rationally again).
My first thought when I heard the news (and many of you had similar thoughts based on comments I've read) was that this might somehow be related to Monday's story about Larry Brown 'reaching out' to the Clippers. Bear in mind, the story was in Sports Illustrated, not some little read blog. In my imagination, the scenario goes something like this: Dunleavy sees the SI piece and realizing that there clearly wouldn't be enough room for both him and Brown, he calls Sterling asking if there's any truth to the rumors, or perhaps even looking for some assurances that he'd still be around next year. MDsr doesn't like the answer, the conversation turns nasty (as it has in the past between the two), next thing you know, ties are severed. Note that in this scenario, there doesn't actually have to be any truth whatsoever to the Brown rumors. But that could have been the catalyst for the breakup nonetheless. (Note also that my imagined scenario does not fit with the bits of information MDsr relayed to Lisa Dillman.)
Of course, there could have been a million other reasons as well - or no reason at all. But I invest enough of my emotional well-being into this organization that I prefer to think that decisions are being made based on SOME semblance of logic, with some eye towards a bigger picture. I may be deluding myself, but it gets more than a little depressing to consider that it's all just the whims of a billionaire real estate developer.
The other thing I find myself doing is parsing the press release, like a CSI coroner examining a corpse looking for clues. Lots of people have already pointed out the very blunt wording, certainly not taken from the standard 'GM stepping down' boilerplate. "The team has simply not made sufficient progress during Dunleavy’s seven-year tenure." Ouch. Of course, that statement stands on the freeway off ramp with a cardboard sign and a styrofoam cup absoluting BEGGING the question "Why now?" Is the implication that the team HAD made enough progress through last month? Or last season? Or the season before that? Theer's no good answer to these questions.
And check out the somewhat tortured syntax in this sentence: "Neil Olshey, presently the Clippers’ Assistant General Manager, will assume the duties created by Dunleavy’s departure." The duties created by Dunleavy's departure. Not "the duties of GM" or "the duties of interim GM" or "GM duties on an interim basis." "The duties created by Dunleavy’s departure." Whatever those may be. I don't know about you, but that doesn't sound like a major vote of confidence to me.
One very interesting and hopefully significant phrase is this one: "The Clippers want to win now. This transition, in conjunction with a full commitment to dedicate unlimited resources, is designed to accomplish that objective." A full commitment to dedicate unlimited resources. Here's where assuming that the organization will act rationally may backfire, but there was no imperative to include that statement. Clearly, as Ramona pointed out, it's a peace offering for long-suffering fans and especially season ticket holders, that things are going to be different around here. But there are some items on the to do list that will either support or refute the contention in the very near term. Namely, hiring a new coach and new GM. The assumption has always been that Sterling waited this long to fire Dunleavy because of MDsr's long term contract - that Sterling wouldn't pay multiple salaries at once. Now that MDsr is gone both as coach and GM, does it indicate that Sterling is being less parsimonious? Well, not so far, no. The question is of course the REPLACEMENT cost - and neither CMDsr nor GMMDsr has actually been replaced with a new hire as of yet. Handing the duties of coach to Kim Hughes and the duties of GM to Neil Olshey didn't impact DTS' bottom line one cent - those guys were already on the payroll.
If the Clippers turn around and make Olshey the official GM, or hire an inexperienced head coach who they can get relatively cheaply, it makes this press release look farcical. "A full commitment to dedicate unlimited resources" implies that the absolute best coach available will be offered the job, regardless of the expense. At least it does to me. Now, I've accused the organization of overpromising and underdelivering in the past, and this would just be one more example if it happens that way. But if the Clippers are truly fearful of the wrath of season ticket holders and inserted this statement to appease the general public, then Roeser/Sterling would be unwise to pretend they never said it when it's time to start the candidate searches. It's entirely possible that "full commitment to dedicate unlimited resources" is empty rhetoric of course. On the other hand, it might mean that they've already got an expensive candidate or candidates up their sleeve. A "rational actor" would not include this "commitment" without having a plan for fulfilling it, it seems to me.
I wonder what will happen next with the Clippers? It's so exciting! You just never know these days!
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steve, your always on late night when im out. its like hot new press release.....read all about it....lol....well...let me continue reading this post while i sit in this hospital room.
"Put the icing on the cake ladies and gentlemen" - Ralph Lawler vs. The Grizzlies
by In GrIfFin We TrUsT on Mar 10, 2010 2:31 AM PST via mobile reply actions
If the Clippers turn around and make Olshey the official GM, or hire an inexperienced head coach who they can get relatively cheaply, it makes this press release look farcical.
I agree with everything but this line. The reason is because, if the article by Kevin Arnovitz is factual, it means Olshey will have already done a great job in a short period of time. Who knows what else this man could do if given full range to make things happen. The guy could be the next great GM in the league. No one knows. I understand how scary of a thought it is to let an inexperienced man be your general manager but teams always had to start somewhere. Why not start with Olshey and see what that can do for us?
Twitter: @FlyByKnite
Olshey may be great...
But why make a big show of “unlimited resources” if you’re just handing the team to the next guy in line?
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Mar 10, 2010 3:47 AM PST up reply actions
Church.
Feel like it is simply insane to put that out there if they aren’t going to go for the gusto. Of course, silliness is never out of the question when dealing with Sterling.
At least I'm also a Redskins fan... oh wait. My sports life sucks.
I think the "unlimited resources" is aimed at Free Agents and coaches.
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's doing down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Mar 10, 2010 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
Olshey
You know things are moving fast when KA writes a sentence “like” “the likelihood of Brown doing a second tour with Clippers seems unlikely.” I was going to fill in with a post while SP was at class, and wrote out the headline “The Clippers Keep It Interesting,” which seems to be the same theme that SP sounded, only he did it better by talking about page views and registering a thank you. There’s not much to say when we don’t know much.
But KA’s work on Olshey is extremely valuable right now. I don’t see much to suggest that “the guy could be the next great GM in the league.” Olshey seems to be serviceable as an interim GM, and he probably played a key role in the Camby and Gooden deals. KA’s story breaks down a logical and functional organization flow chart for the way things were managed when Dunleavy was coaching. We know that he was an obsessive, highly prepared coach, who focused on watching film and anything else he could do to analyze the team and opponents and make it better. Being a GM is a matter of building relationships and getting information about what is going on around the league. It seems as if Olshey is a personable guy who was effective as an information-gatherer and relationship-builder while MDSr was focused on coaching. He must have made a lot of progress in a relatively short time.
The important thing is that he held Dunleavy’s proxy. Making phone calls and gather info is different from making the decisions. Whatever information Olshey was able to get, he had to take it back to Dunleavy and Roeser. Then one of them, probably Roeser, and maybe Dunleavy too on occasion, would go to DTS to say what they were doing and get his blessing.
It still seems as if Dunleavy made his own decision about stepping down as coach, and the timing of it. Obviously there was pressure from DTS and Roeser early in season, leading up to the Denver game, for instance. MDSr wanted to try to get the team to the playoffs, but as that hope faded the timing for the exit was worked out, coming at the end of the long road trip, which gave Hughes a chance to get started at home and meet the media, etc.
The question here is the role that Olshey played in the trade deadline deals. It seems apparent that he must have set the table for MDSr., to a certain degree. It’s that “degree” that is in question. Jax might say that Olshey did the lion’s share of it, that Dunleavy was a sort of Baylor—like figurehead, but I don’t know, and I doubt it was like that. It’s really about the final decision. But there was also a bang-bang quality to the two deals, and the second one was fairly complicated, involving three teams. It’s doubtful, now in retrospect, that MDSr dove in and put it all together, but he wasn’t absent from the process either.
Although there are plenty of signs of competence in Olshey, there isn’t a lot to suggest that he’s “the next great GM.” It seems, with the trade deadline behind us, that Olshey is solid enough to be the interim GM.
People are trying to say the same thing in all sorts of different ways, but it seems that all of this boils down to increased flexibility. Perhaps the Larry Brown trial balloon made the Roeser and DTS think that having Dunleavy picking the next coach and wooing the free agents might be a limitation. The “clipped” press release, which goes out of its way to focus on MDSr’s overall failure, rather than his progress and accomplishments, suggests that “the team” wants to send a message that they want to get a completely fresh start, that the Dunleavy era is over.
What this allows the Clips to do is to bring anybody in, and give them complete control. Is this what the top coaches and players need these days? It seems that it is. A guy like Larry Brown doesn’t want Dunleavy telling him what to do. Neither does Phil Jackson. Not that either of them, or Jerry West, will be working for the Clippers. But now the Clips have a chance to bring in somebody who is well above Dunleavy in the NBA hierarchy, and have that “face” for the franchise try to solve the free agent/roster equation.
Pretty compelling stuff. Lots of page views.
by citizen zhiv on Mar 10, 2010 7:19 AM PST up reply actions
Zhiv - MDSr was fired as coach
Why can’t you just accept that the team is moving on and has realized that they weren’t getting anywhere with MDSr. At some point, those who thought that the Clippers would never step up and sever ties with him (because of the ridiculous contract he swindled out of DTS) will have to come to terms with the fact that the Clippers have finally decided to act like a real NBA team.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
We need a timeline
I’ve read through the dispute down below. It all seems a bit unfortunate. There’s not a lot to argue about. If we try, we’ll find more to agree upon, I would think.
But one question is whether Dunleavy was fired.
Jax you might provide us with your version of some sort of timeline for Olshey’s ascendency, and when MDSr became a figurehead. Try to be as even—handed as possible with Dunleavy, though I know you’re cynical about him and his approach.
If I’m trying to think like you, I would say that Dunleavy had the power and was handling all of the GM duties with the signing of BDavis, after the attempt to sign Udrih, the decision not to sign Maggette, the attempt to sign FElton, followed by the deal for Camby. Let’s extend him out to the Tim Thomas/Mobley Zach Randolph deal. At that point he’s desperate and trying to win and things go horribly very quickly. DTS has his somewhat nonsensical, oddly-timed tirade at some point in there.
So let’s say that after that Dunleavy is not only on thin ice, protected primarily by his contract, but Olshey, moving swiftly up the ladder and already doing most of the heavy lifting, especially during the seaon, at the GM job. Roeser is now having conversations with Olshey, and perhaps DTS, that don’t include Dunleavy. Going into the lottery selection, MDSr is still around, but things are funky. Roeser grabs the first pick, which seems to give the franchise some new life. Dunleavy gets some more time.
Olshey would then be primarily responsible for the deal sending out Zach Randolph, the deals for Butler and Craig Smith and Telfair.
When the team gets off to a slow start after Griffin is injured and then Gordon goes down, Roeser, Olshey, and DTS are all concerned. Is the stink of defeat still all over Dunleavy? He wins the game against Denver and buys some more time, makes his case. But later, after the Memphis game and then New Jersey, the die is cast. Roeser and Olshey fire Dunleavy, tell him that he’s done.
Is that your timeline and sequence? I suppose I could believe all that. Dunleavy seems to be more strong-willed and intense to have it play out like that, but in that version he has no real choice.
Does he know that he’s being put into “the Elgin Position” (has a nice ring to it, no? a sad state of powerlessness for the former hall of famer) after he’s fired? Is he running around thinking that he’s making the decisions? I have to say that the Camby and Gooden deals were complex enough that Olshey probably had to do most of the work to set them up anyway. So who is responsible for trading Thornton? It has to be Olshey, right?
by citizen zhiv on Mar 10, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
Olshey didn't necessarily have to do most of the work for the Camby/Gooden deal
I’d like to think that he did…
but those trade came after MDsr stepped down as headcoach claiming that he needs more time/effort in making a deal…then the complex Camby/Gooden deals occur.
Had MDsr stayed headcoach during those trade then it should be a lock that those are Olshey’s doing.
getting a little annoyed with the shiesty/bad business this team does
i.e. firing without telling people personally, trading people without telling them personally, sniping each other in the media, people seemingly in the dark about what the hell is going on and it being sprung on them like it is sprung on us, etc. maybe it happens everywhere occasionally but it seems like it is the rule of thumb in this organization, and that doesn’t help our already sketchy reputation.
by Joe Wolf's Mullet on Mar 10, 2010 5:08 AM PST reply actions
why do you believe MDSr?
Given his track record, you shouldn’t. He’s just looking for sympathy. It is time to move on and embrace this decision to commit to winning. Of course, this is just a start. Apparently everyone around here who said that it’s useless to deride him because “he ain’t going anywhere” were not entirely correct.
Cautious optimism is the phrase of the day. .
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Mar 10, 2010 8:23 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
But who can you believe?
I agree with you that Dunleavy hasn’t always been a trustworthy source of information over the years, but the Clippers haven’t been an especially “employee friendly” organization either. The only reason I’d be surprised that Dunleavy would be caught off guard by his firing is that I’d expect the Clippers to try to negotiate some kind of buyout before firing him. But maybe that option already was unsuccessfully attempted in the past.
It wil all come out in the wash
Look, he knew Olshey was running the show. He’s already been axed as coach. He likely begged them to stay on in the sort of Baylor-like figurehead role. Oh, how ironic and pathetic and full of poetic justice that would be if true.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
You have resorted to pulling things out of your butt
So all this time Olshey has been pulling the strings? Does that mean that he is responsible for all of the moves you didn’t like. Does this absolve MDSr. in your view?
This is weird logic. You want Dunleavy to play both the sinister villan and the fool. Doesn’t work like that. Pick one.
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
Why so bitter?
Not sure what you’re talking about here re moves.
MDSr is not a good coach in my opinion. I’m sure there are a few others who agree with me.
Re his moves as GM? What moves are you talking about?
I think it’s time to move forward.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Not bitter, just confused
He wasn’t a great coach.
But are you now saying that everything that you have ripped him for here was in fact Olshey, and not him?
Who is your bad guy now?
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
I noticed that too
When jax wanted to bash MDsr for bad personnel moves that occurred while Elgin Baylor was still here, his story was that Baylor was a figure head and MDsr had been in charge the whole time. Now, we find out from jax that MDsr was a figure head and Olshey was in charge the whole time, and this is once again an indictment of MDsr. And meanwhile everyone else is just being naive and should have listened to jax long ago, and we’d all be so much better off if we had.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Mar 10, 2010 9:42 AM PST up reply actions
I notice things too
Steve has said numerous times that MDSr should be fired, but that practically it wasn’t going to happen. I said otherwise, the proverbial lone wolf. I would think that Steve would be praising the Clippers right about now.
But back to the point you’ve raised. Steve, it’s a bit disingenuous for you to say that I raised the Olshey argument when in a post below you pointed out to me that this is what is implied in the statement from the team and that other articles mentioned that as well.
And I’ve never speculated that Olshey was in charge “the whole time” whatever that means. Just that he’s in charge now and apparently is the point person for the MDSr firing as coach.
I don’t have a bad guy. I merely pointed out long ago, before the 5 year contract was inked, that I didn’t think he was a good coach and that they’d be better off going in another direction. I provided ample factual support for my opinion. Later we found out he was acting as GM too, using Baylor as a figurehead.
But that’s all in the past. Instead of bashing me, guys, why not focus on the future? After all, we are all Clipper fans.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
You begrudged the moves by the "GM"
when you thought it was Dunleavy. It turns out that the “GM” may have been this new guy all along, yet now you are excited. Hmmm.
All it proves is what we have said all along – you have an irrational grudge towards Dunleavy. You have made him both the villan and the dunce.
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
Who is "we"?
You and John R? Nice pairing.
But your point about Olshey is well taken, although I think you’ve overstated your case. I had a few questions about the recent moves (I didn’t begrudge them), particularly the decision to get rid of Thornton when he had a year left at what I think is a cheap price. But in truth I questioned the move, I didn’t rip MDSr for it.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
"We"
is those of us that see the obvious. Your dislike for Dunleavy was your template for everything. It is we you willingly dismissed the fact that this has been the best decade of Clippers basketball ever. Not that it has been great, but your laments towards “imcompetent management” were misdirected, and indicate that you were late to the party.
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
I think you're projecting your bitterness over the MDSr firing on me
Obviously I disagree with you. Obviously the Clippers agree with me. They want to win now and they don’t think they can do that with MDSr at the helm. Neither do I.
But it’s time to move on. Here’s a tuought? Maybe the decision to terminate MDSr now is a brilliant move by Olshey. The team goes into a tailspin, somehow they get Wall or Turner, which leads LBJ or Wade to decide to come here.
Now that would be fun.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
"Obviously the Clippers agree with me"
Congratulations. You are in league with some proven winners and geniuses.
By the way, I don’t think I have indicated that I am bitter over Dunleavy’s firing. I’m only confused about which direction they will now head.
Unlike you, I was around for the penny-pinching years, and I hope that is not where we are returning
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
Um, I was around then too
And believe me I was extremely optimistic when they signed Corey and traded for EB and hired MDSr.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Then why do you act as if MDSr. alone
led a once proud franchise to ruin?
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
You misconstrue my position
which is that the team will never win with him at the healm as coach
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Sorry
but your take on Dunleavy is not that benign.
I agree, that unless he would have landed a LeBron or Wade, he was very unlikely to win a title. Glad he is off the sidelines.
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
Um, I never said "win a title"
What I meant (and I see that I need to be precise here) is that he will never put a consistent winning (i.e., .500 plus) product on the floor.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
"Never"
Neither will any coach without top-shelf talent. And since Dunleavy wasn’t really GM, but a figure head, then someone is responsible for not getting him the talent.
But I’m sure they will all flock here now.
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
"The best decade of Clippers basketball ever"
One season of winning basketball in a decade?
I’d have to check, but didn’t the 90s have two winning seasons?
In any event, the fact that you are suggesting that this decade of Clipper basketball is something to look back on with fondness is comical. Apparently you have very very very low standards. I would challenge you to stand up and demand that your team put a winning product on the court.
After all, this is Los Angeles, not Oklahoma City or Portland. Oh, er, wait, what?
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
No. I believe the playoffs years you are referring to in the 90’s were whilst being under .500 yet sneaking in anyway. Like you, I’m just going off memory.
by Michael White on Mar 10, 2010 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
Thanks
So in the 90s we went to the playoffs twice, albeit with losing records. This decade we went once, but it’s the best decade ever because we went further in the playoffs? Or we had one winning season this decade where we (apparently) had none in the 90s?
Or is our overall losing record slightly better this decade than the previous decade?
Or is it the fact that we lost this decade with better players than we lost in the last decade? Or we lost this decade with fewer coaches than we lost in the last decade? Or is it because now we have a practice facility when we didn’t in the 90s?
I get it – in the 90s, we lost with Ron Harper. mikey hates Ron Harper.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
I like Ron Harper
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
No, you don't
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
At least you're not arrogant
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
At least you're not biased
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
LOL, pot, kettle
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
Just to clarify
Clippers went to the Playoffs 3 times in the 90’s. 91-92, 92-93 and 96-97, all first round losses. One Winning season .549 (91-92) and one season of .500 exactly (92-93.) There were also some terrible seasons as well, as I’m sure you all know. 05-06 still stands as the LA Clippers best season with .573 and the shortened 98-99 as the worst with a .180 record, followed up by .183.
9:21 LAC - Offensive foul on C. Smith
by LancasterGordon4Eva on Mar 10, 2010 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
Thanks LG4E
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Also, because I'm really bored and kind of curious
If my calculations are correct
90-91 through to 99-00 averages out at .333
and 00-01 through to 09-10 (still in progress obviously) averages out at .395
The 90’s had two more playoff appearances, but the 00’s have had a better W/L record.
9:21 LAC - Offensive foul on C. Smith
by LancasterGordon4Eva on Mar 10, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
You are making stuff up
No fondness, just reality. Things improved around here with Dunleavy. Not good enough. I have complained plenty. I was ready for a new coach 3 years ago.
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
It was the best decade of Clips bball
Albeit a lot of losing, but still the Clips went deeper than ever in their history.
This is going to be my team, and we're going to rise together.
-Clipper Darrell
The King is dead. Long live the King...
Well, DTS has beheaded Dunleavy.
Is the path now even more clear for King James to ascend the Clip throne?
Jester DTS has cleared out the castle and can hand all the keys to the new King.
Is any other competing franchise able to offer KJ the right to select his own coach and gm?
Or is the jester insane?
"Is the path now even more clear for King James to ascend the Clip throne?"
Remains to be seen. Do they already have a replacement in mind? Is it a big name (West, Phil, Larry Brown)?
If not, than this only hurts the run at LBJ. Now there is ZERO stability with this organization.
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
Ah - the classic "devil you know" argument rears its head
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
When you complained about "incompetent management"
who did you mean?
The only people left now are DTS, Olshey and Andy Roeser.
A real Dream-Team if I ever saw one.
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
Let's just see what happens, shall we?
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Quite Interesting Development...
Let’s see here. Rumor on Friday was that Phil Jackson is on his way out and not rejoining the Lakers next season. Bryon Scott is now a commentator for CBS in Los Angeles.
Maybe, just maybe, I am reading too much into this.
by lovinglosangeles on Mar 10, 2010 8:51 AM PST reply actions
the annual waiting game of hope - times ten
Is it just me, or does this firing seem pretty anticlimactic at this point? What it does do, however, is leave us with a ton of things to wonder about and hope for at the season’s end – and the summer leading up to every season seem to be what being a Clippers fan is all about. This summer especially is going to be CRAZY! Dreaming about a top lottery pick, going after a superstar free agent, going after a superstar coach, wondering who the GM will be…our team will have a whole new identity next season. Let the games begin – or should I say, let the games end and the summer quest begin.
DeAndre for MFP - Most Funniest Player
Banana Republic
We won’t know whether this was a wise decision until the next GM is named. If it is a big-time name, this will all make sense.
If not, this will surely scare off any potential free agents.
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
You seriously think that retaining MDSr as GM will scare off potential free agents?
Other than the ridiculous BD contact, what significant free agents has MDSr ever signed?
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Sorry - the headline should have been
“You seriously think that retaining MDSr as GM will help sign potential free agents?”
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
I don't know
but I don’t think that an organization in flux has much chance.
You really don’t remember what things were like pre-Dunleavy. They were a LOT worse than they are now.
I just find it interesting that your dislike of Dunleavy puts you in the DTS camp.
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
That is interesting, huh
But the DTS camp in my mind is the Clippers. What other camps are there? All we can do is hope that he’s learned from MDSr and that he will hire competent folks.
If he doesn’t, there’s not much I or anyone else can do.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Tim Thomas! Cat Mobley!
If we “assume” your previous assumptions, MDSr was in charge of these signings. Be your own judge on these transactions. You are also making a lot of speculations about how things went down…we’ll see how great this firing was…
This is going to be my team, and we're going to rise together.
-Clipper Darrell
Is it just me
or is anyone scared that with no MDsr that DTS will go back to cost cutting ways and trading/signin players just to stay about the minimum?
Looking at it in the positive, maybe the org felt comfortable enough to hand the offseason/FA (that makes me queezie already…) without MDsr and thought that MDsr would have just dropped the ball?
or maybe they wanted to remove MDsr for a while now, and they do have someone up their “sleeve” and didn’t want MDsr to tamper with things between their “sleeve-acquisition” and when they remove MDsr. Like MDsr could have found out and sabotaged the team before getting the pink slip e-mail?
I just had more faith in moving forward (as far as spending and player acquisitions and other development) with it in the hands of MDsr….as far as winning that’s left in better hands
After reading KA's posting
Olshey ain’t so bad.
But will he still working out the deals come offseason time?
To bad West has completely quite on GM working….would have been nice to have the logo on our side
maybe we cna keep Olshey and have West as a consultant…he’s open to that
Phil Jackson
Can we send Dunleavy to the Lakers in exchange for Phil Jackson? A man can dream. Can’t he?
by lovinglosangeles on Mar 10, 2010 10:15 AM PST reply actions
Unfire The Dude
True but let’s unfire the dude…:-)
by lovinglosangeles on Mar 10, 2010 10:18 AM PST reply actions

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