Clips Nation: An SB Nation Community

Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook

If you want to feel good about the firing of MDSr and the hiring of Neil Olshey don't read this. Wojo also praises Mark Warkentian and thinks he's gettable... along, perhaps, with Carmelo in '11. A good read.

4 months ago Tiny swamigusto 11 comments 0 recs  | 

Story-email Email Printer Print

Comments

Display:

I've skimmed the article

The author seems to be biased and is basing the article primarily on what MDSr told him.

Couple of quick points: First, MDSr is owed $10 M. DTS is not required to pay him the entire sum – MDSr must mitigate his damages by finding other work. DTS is required to pay him over time (assuming no liquidated damages clause in the agreement) and MDSr’s willingness to find another job is a legitimate issue (among many I’m sure). So to argue that DTS is unreasonable in advance given that he has the right to require MDSr to find alternative employment seems highly unfair .

Second, the article gives little credit for all of the things that DTS has done recently that should be considered in line with what responsible NBA owners should be doing.

Third, as noted the article seems to be a mouthpiece for MDSr to some degree. As I recall, MDSr said that the CLippers didn’t call him before firing him. Yet he said he turned off the cell phone for a day or so and there were a thousand messages on it. I doubt that, so it seems likely that he got the messages but didn’t return them.

What’s the story with this author?

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Mar 12, 2010 1:29 PM PST reply actions  

Hmmm...

Usually Wojnarowski’s pretty reliable… I follow him on Twitter. He’s not a slob about it, but he does like to break stories. He’s been on the front end of a lot of recent Clips stuff. As to where he is in the journalism world, whether he shows up at the Clips home-shack, how inside he gets… I don’t know.
I actually didn’t think his sources sounded like MDSr. alone. (Although there does seem to be something missing in Dun’s reporting of the abrupt firing.) But even Olshey seem to admit that the firing caught him by surprise (in an article by Lisa Dillman and in his conversations with Ralph and Mike on tv the other night).
All that said, I thought Wojnarowski’s damning of Olshey’s abilities sounded pretty ragged and uncalled for. Even he admitted that Olshey is a “keeper”.
I’m sincerely hoping that DTS was not lying when he recently told a reporter that all NBA coaching contracts have a slow “payout” provision and the salary owed was not the reason he hadn’t fired Dunleavy up to that point (was it Heisler?).
Right or wrong, I don’t think Sterling’s have changed in that radical a manner. I suspect there will be lawsuits or threats of lawsuits between he and Dun in the future. But it’s sloppy and looks bad… and that’s exactly what we (the fans) don’t need right now.

by swamigusto on Mar 12, 2010 2:27 PM PST up reply actions  

"liquidated damages clause"...

Not sure if that’s the same thing as my clumsy “slow-payout” line. I’m obviously not a lawyer.

I think it might be worth looking at KA’s recent Truehoop article which contrasts (re:Olshey) quite a bit with the Wojnarowski blog:

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/14157/the-clippers-move-on

by swamigusto on Mar 12, 2010 2:35 PM PST up reply actions  

It doesn't fit Jax's worldview

Ergo the well known and respected author is a hack.

QED.

Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball

by John R on Mar 12, 2010 5:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually, you don't fit my worldview - "delete"

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Mar 12, 2010 10:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Really?

1) The clause that MDsr is required to look for work is standard…. and yet Sterling is the only owner I know of ever to try to enforce it, as he did with Bill Fitch, and he was widely ridiculed as being cheap for doing so. He would theoretically within his rights to do so, but it’s not done. I don’t disagree that Wojo is unfair and biased in his article, but your own bias is equally obvious.

2) “Yet he said he turned off the cell phone for a day or so and there were a thousand messages on it. I doubt that, so it seems likely that he got the messages but didn’t return them.” I’m not even sure what your point is here, and I sure as heck didn’t read anything about his phone being off for ‘a day or so’. He was on the golf course, right? Is he some sort of marathon golfer? Please provide a source if you’ve got one. I certainly wonder about MDsr’s story – but no one from the Clippers has bothered to refute it, so it’s the only one we’ve got.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Mar 13, 2010 8:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Steve

I appreciate our dialogue but I’m just stating my opinions. You seem to be pretty argumentative. I don’t want to argue, and I think it’s ok that we can have opinions, biases, etc., without being called out for it. Maybe you’re defending John R again, who knows.

Turning to this particular post, to be clear, there is no “clause” typically requiring employees to look for work in such contracts, it’s just part of the common law in California and surely most if not all states.

I don’t know whether there is something unique about the NBA where the law is ignored – but that could be the case I suppose. Or maybe there’s a provision in this contract that basically constitutes a liquidated damages clause whereby the general law wouldn’t apply. I don’t know.

To me, it’s not unfair in a contract paying out $ 5 M a year to require the employee to look for alternative employment to offset the huge payout under the contract for which the employee is not doing anything. If the law were the contrary, that woud discourage people from looking for work, which is not productive in our society.

Employment contracts, aka personal service contracts, are funny things. Often the parties decide not to go forward with the relationship for the full balance of the contract term and parties are free to breach such contracts by walking away from the company or terminating the employee. Here, if MDSr wanted to leave (breaching the contract), he’d certainly be allowed to do so, and he couldn’t be sued most likely for whatever damage that his decision to breach the contract would have caused. If the law were to the contrary, he’d be an indentured servant, which is contrary to public policy in this state. So there is inherently some freedom built into the employment relationship in California under the law on both sides, subject to contractual limitations in many cases (to the extent not contrary to public policy).

Can you please point me to your sources for suggesting that “it’s not done” when referring to owners arguing that the employees have to go find alternative employment instead of sitting around doing nothing? I would be very interested in reading that. I suggest that you are perhaps oversimplifying the matter.

Finally, I find it laughable that you think that the fact that no one from the Clippers has gone out there to defend themselves is somehow an inference that MDSr is telling the truth. Why would they want to engage in such a dialogue or feel like they have to defend themselves? MDSr did this before with the EB / David Falk thing – coming out forcefully to defend himself by making false statements ("I"m just the coach talking to a player"). Falk skewered him over that one, but here there is absolutely no dispute that the Clippers were well within their contractual rights to let him go and they did so.

 To me, it’s your response that reflects more of a bias than anything I said, with all due respect of course. :-)

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Mar 13, 2010 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

To be completely fair...

And I don’t think it supports anyone’s argument here, but the reason Sterling was ridiculed for his attempt to renege on Fitch’s payout wasn’t so much that no one tried to enforce it before but because Fitch was over sixty-five when was sued by DTS and the Clippers for not earnestly looking for a new job. It was, of course, from my point of view, an extremely sleazy move on DTS’ part. I believe there was also a lawsuit involving Bob Weiss involving salary owed.
Of course his dismissal with money owed does bring up the interesting question of what Mike Dunleavy’s future might actual be… it will be interesting to see if anyone thinks he still has a place in the NBA.

by swamigusto on Mar 13, 2010 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

That's exactly right - I had forgotten to mention that the Fitch issue was rather unique

I think MDSr should be able to land a job soimewhere.

So I guess I may not be quite as biased as Steve might think.

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Mar 13, 2010 11:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Good article

Thanks for posting it up Swami. You know I usually just skip over what Jax writes, but I read what SP wrote here and it drew me in. I just have to say that Jax accusing SP of being overly argumentative is a damning example of the pot calling the kettle black. And he can’t be serious about not being ‘biased’. Everyone who has ever skim this blog has seen him flogging the same dead horse for years. It gets tiresome.

Woj is a good writer, and while I don’t agree with everything he says, he makes reasonable points and is often an entertaining read.

by MichaelCage on Mar 14, 2010 1:40 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Michael - I think you meant "skimmed" ;-)

And you are of course entitled to your opinion, just like the rest of us.

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Mar 14, 2010 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Welcome to Clips Nation!
Start posting about the Clippers »

Join SB Nation and dive into communities focused on all your favorite teams.

Connect_with_facebook

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Small
Eric Gordon was below average last season

Recent FanPosts

Small
bring back James Singleton!
Small
Steve Novak
Small
Bring in Iverson!!!
Small
RUDY FERNANDEZ
Buzzerbeater_small
Anyone on today's forum at noon!?
Small
SEASON TICKET SALES
Small
Beckoning the real Olshey
Karate-kid-photo_small
Remembering 2006
5452_small
Paging John R. Re: Chris Kaman's 07-08 Rebounding Numbers
Small
Questions....

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

SPONSORS

SBNation.com Recent Stories

 LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh of the Miami Heat speak after being introduced to fans during a welcome party at American Airlines Arena on July 9 2010 in Miami Florida.  (Photo by Doug Benc/Getty Images)

How Good Will LeBron James And The Miami Heat Be In 2011? Hint: Very Good

Lorenzen Wright 
(Getty Images) +7 updates

Lorenzen Wright's Body Found In Memphis, Police Conduct Homicide Investigation

Chris Paul LeBron James

'The Miami Model': Why Greed Is Good, And The NBA's Superteam Era Will Be Great

More from SBNation.com >


Managers

Clipsnation_small Steve Perrin