Grizzlies plan to match offers to Gay
by The Blake Griffin Era on Mar 17, 2010 9:11 AM PDT
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I've read before that several analysts believe the Griz would not be able to match any offers for Gay. Several mentioned that the Ronnie Brewer trade was a precursor to the end of Gay in Memphis.
In this article Griz Owner Hiesely mentions that they will match any offers.
I think the guy will be overpaid no matter where he ends up, but I would sign up for that move considering our huge hole at the 3 and his young age. He kind of reminds me of EJ, the guy just doesn't have the killer instinct to take over a game, he is a nice number 2 or 3 option, but he isn't the kind of guy that wll take the big shot with the game on the line. Regardless, our starting lineup would look very nice if he were to sign. I can't wat until this free agent bonanza is over, I'm sick of all the rumors.
I think the offseason will boil down to Gay or Johnson for the Clipps.
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2010/mar/16/memphis-grizzlies-outgun-undermanned-chicago-bulls/
Griz owner Michael Heisley told a group of season ticket holders that the team intends to match any offer Gay might receive as a restricted free agent this summer. Heisley spoke before the game at the team’s annual “State of the Franchise” Chalk Talk where season ticket holders could ask questions.
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Gay will have to be overpaid
I wouldn’t even bother.
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
We do better with Rudy
D.S. better spend that money if he wants to win or clips nation we need to retaliate , start these petitions! Pick up Rudy Gay & Al Jefferson and trade Collins and DeAndre & Sale/Trade R 1st rd. pick! Why do we still have Brain Skinner, dont resign him next year.
C- Kaman PF- Jefferson SF- Gay SG- Gordon PG- Davis -—— Bench- C- Gooden PF- Griffin SF- Outlaw SG- Butler PG- Blake … slowly rotate Griffin & Jefferson
You need one more selection on the poll
Neither. Both athletes have significant problems especially if they become clippers. Rudy Gay is the trigger happy Maggette type that drives with his head down to the hole. Joe johnson is passing his prime and very likely has hit his peak. Also i dont think either will succeed in any kind of system that we run with Kaman clogging up the middle and a Point Guard in BD that needs the ball a significant amount of time to be successful.
D-Miles dont call it a come back
by Darius Miles Up In Smoke on Mar 17, 2010 11:08 AM PDT reply actions
you couldn't be more wrong about everything
Gay is not even close to Maggette; I’m inclined to say you’ve never seen him play.
Joe Johnson passed his prime about 3 years ago.
Both of them can play with big men; they do fine with Al Horford/Hosh Smith and ZBo/Marc Gasol playing down low.
Joe Johnson was most efficient in Phoenix with Nash, and Rudy does just fine with Mayo getting a ton of usage.
Good Day Sir
who else should we add to the poll??
If we are taking big name free agents at the 3 it’s either LB, Gay or JJ?
Who am I missing?
by The Blake Griffin Era on Mar 17, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Here's a poll addendum:
After James, should we seriously consider going after Bosh?
The question largely boils down to whether a Griffin-Bosh combo would prove “playoff worthy” and so worth the investment. Implied, of course, is the idea that we would eventually trade Kaman, ideally for a wing.
At it’s surface, I like this plan better than Gay or JJ. I’m just uncertain about Bosh’s prospects playing the 5 regularly.
"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT
How would you know if a Griffin-Bosh combo would prove playoff worthy?
The question mark of course is not Bosh but Griffin. Haven’t we done enough moving things around Griffin already? Let Griffin play in the NBA, then we can make an intelligent decision on your question.
Besides, we don’t need a poll addendum, seeing as how there already is a fanpost which essentially posts the same question
by Michael White on Mar 17, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
When you put it like that
How would anyone ever know if a lineup is playoff worthy? Answer: You make a judgement call, which after all is what people do in a poll.
The fanpost you refer to is a poll about trading Kaman, not targeting Bosh. There’s some overlap in the discussion, but I don’t see why that’s an issue.
"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT
Sure, but generally we make that opinion based on seeing them play. Most of the time, we even get to see them play against other professionals. But I would (again) caution against considering people on this team expendable because of Blake Griffin. Griffin is returning from knee surgery, never played a game in the NBA, and yes, had question marks about his game coming out of college anyway.
by Michael White on Mar 17, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I see your point
I hadn’t given the Bosh idea much thought until yesterday. So like a few others, I’m toying around with it here.
If James isn’t available, then I’m really not hot on JJ or Gay. Bosh is an interesting option. We could conceivably keep both Griffin and Kaman for the time being, just to give Griffin a real test run. If he doesn’t work out, then keep Kaman and trade Griffin. I think you were describing something like this in another post.
I’m warming up, too, to the idea of waiting til 2011 to make our move. Are you really so patient? I don’t know if I am. I’d rather take a chance on Childress, assuming we can get him. That would certainly be more straightforward and realistic, compared to the Bosh maneuver.
"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT
I'm going to make sure to point out everytime BG has a good game in the future
and single you out. You seem really down on BG for awhile now so don’t try to jump on his bandwagon when he proves to you definitely how good he is and will be.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Mar 17, 2010 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Why? Did I receive any acknowledgement from the crowd when I pointed out it was a stupid idea to trade Randolph? No. Instead you continue to suggest that it was the smart basketball move to trade the guy who (if you believe the all star team at least) would have been the best player on the Clippers so that a kid (who already had knee issues) could be dubbed the starter from day 1. And then people are shocked (shocked!) that the team sucks again. Who knew, it turns out it’s a dumb idea to trade your best player for nothing
I obviously hope he is good, but your suggestion that I don’t jump on the bandwagon doesn’t make sense. If he turns out to be good, am I supposed to not cheer for him or grow to like him more? What does that even mean? If i don’t like somebody from day 1, I am not allowed to like them later? I hated Baron year 1, and I turned into one of his biggest defenders year 2. Does that make me a bandwagon fan? I see no reason why I should be forced to argue a wrong position (assuming my position on Griffin is even wrong) if the kid turns out to be the next Tim Duncan. Honestly, is that the point of blogs? To just keep stating your position even once that position because irrelevant, just so you don’t get called a bandwagon fan?
Besides, my position on Griffin is not that he sucks. Its simply that we should wait to see him actually play before we make the exact same mistake we made last season which is trading a competent big for an unproven rook.
by Michael White on Mar 17, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
We had to trade a big
You know that. Whether it was Kaman, Camby or Zbo one of them had to go, that much was obvious. It wasn’t so BG could be starter (in fact it was assumed he would come off the bench), it was because those 3 players were making 35 million between the 3 of them so we have to solve for redundancy.
For the record, even if we had ZBo this year we still would not make the playoffs. The replacement value between him and Camby wasn’t that big to make up for it. You also have to remember we wouldn’t have Rhino or Sool either.
And yes, you can’t keep kicking a kid when he’s down through no fault of his own and marginalize him for a whole year and then immediately praise him when he’s healthy. If you want to support him, you support him now when it’s his darkest hour. He’s a hard working, talented kid who was playing extremely well in pre-season against real and talented competition. We know he’s going to be a player in this league and it sucks we had to wait a whole year (won’t even get into how much this sucked for season ticker holders) before he can defend himself on the court from people like you who are down on him when he’s unable to respond.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Mar 17, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
And the building around your talented rookie model has worked many times
The Lakers traded Eddie Jones to clear the way for Kobe, the Cavs pretty much scorched the earth for Lebron, the Kings just traded away Kevin Martin to clear room for Tyreke Evans. If you get a super super talented rookie then yes, you do everything you can to build a team around him.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Mar 17, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t know Blake Griffin and its not my job to support him in his darkest hour. I love the Clippers and I want good things to happen for the Clippers. If Griffin helps the Clippers, I will like him. If he doesn’t, I won’t. But I’m not interested in posting rah rah stuff about how hard of a worker some millionaire is. I just don’t care. If him being a hard worker helps the Clips, then I will like him. If not, I won’t.
Are you projecting a personal relationship with Griffin? Kick him when he’s down? Unable to respond? This is a blog, and I use my real name so I’m not hiding behind any shield of anonymity. But I don’t personally care about any of these guys (that’s not to say I wouldn’t care if one of these guys were seriously hurt in an accident or something—I’m sure you know what I mean.) I just don’t. I want the Clippers to win a lot of basketball games, that’s all.
by Michael White on Mar 17, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm saying the guy is injured
from a basketball related injury. It’s not as if he was on a moped, snowboarding or shot himself in the leg. You keep saying he hasn’t proven anything etc etc even though his body of work in college, summer league, practices (the other players raved about the guy) and preseason showed that he is clearly going to be good. So you discount him already when he’s hurt, pretty awesome to kick him when he’s not able to play. How is that even fair? So yea, you’ve gone on record now saying you aren’t very high on him, even suggesting trading him and yea when BG is back healthy and playing well you damn well better believe I’ll call you out on in since you were so pessimistic about him before.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Mar 17, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I explicity said that I would not trade Griffin to make room for Bosh. Unless you are referring to last summer when I (and others) advocated trading Griffin for Durant, and I stand by that.
As to you calling me out. Whatever. I shouldn’t have even said something about it because even if it comes to that I won’t care. That’ll mean that Griffin is a star and I’ll be happy. I completely reject your logic that in order to be some sort of true fan I need to be blowing the guy in the comments instead of expressing my actual opinion.
by Michael White on Mar 17, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
my fault then
forgot which thread it was in, but trading Griffin is crazy.
You don’t have to be a BG fanboy but cmon, you are being totally irrational about much of this.
So Bosh isn’t a max player but somehow ZBo was? BG is a unknown since he’s hurt? That’s fine its your opinion but you’ll have to fess up you didn’t think BG was worth making the additional moves when he does become our franchise player. If he turns out to be a bust, you can laugh at the rest of us who believe he can provide this franchise some level of credibility.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Mar 17, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ll be happy to eat crow. I’ll be happy to eat crow if Lebron were to be signed which I’ve several times given the Clippers about a 0.1% chance of accomplishing.
And I don’t want to laugh at the rest of you. I’m not personalizing any of this, just expressing my opinions as they are right now. Zbo only had 2 years left on his deal and he filled a need, and it would have allowed Griffin time to adjust to the pro game without forcing him to be a superstar from day 1. If Griffin was a star, we could have traded Randolph at that time.
As for Bosh, paying max money to a guy for 6 years whilst asking him to play out of position doesn’t make sense. You yourself acknowledged that putting Bosh at C would be less than ideal.
by Michael White on Mar 17, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
It would be less than ideal
I was really looking at the Hawks and how they play a PF at Center and get away with it. We could do the same with BG or Bosh. End of the day a good basketball player is a good basketball player and while playing out of position might diminish their effectiveness to a certain degree, they are still better than the alternatives.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Mar 17, 2010 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Neither one
Both JJ and Gay are likely to be overpaid this off-season. I don’t want the Clippers to be the team overpaying and tieing up long term cap space for either of them.
If LeBron doesn’t sign with the Clips, I’d prefer the backup plan to be signing or trading for a more reasonably priced small forward and possibly drafting another one. As of today, my picks would be signing Josh Childress and drafting Damion James (at #10 assuming Johnson and Aminu are already gone).
Bosh
I didn’t include Bosh on purpose, given the fact we would need to deal Kaman etc it didn’t seem as realistic. I think we have a better chance getting Lebron as opposed to Wade or Bosh.
I just don’t think Bosh is a possibility. He can’t play Center and the team is commited to Blake.
As far as signing Childress or making some minor moves and waiting a year, this doesn’t seem to be managements choice. All there moves and everything they say in the press indicates they are committed to making a big splash, I just can’t see them not throwing the bank at someone like Lebron Gay or JJ. I’d be shocked if they wanted to sign Childress and sit on there cap space.
by The Blake Griffin Era on Mar 17, 2010 1:13 PM PDT reply actions
Short Term I like JJ
Long Term, Gay might be a better fit given his youth and ceiling.
JJ immediately fills our hole of not having a go to option in crunch time, SF, and someone that can offensively take over a game.
When was the last time a Clipper scored 30 points in a game? It’s very hard to keep winning games expecting all startesr to score 15 a night, and getting 30 from the bench, it’s just not realistic. Every decent team and even most of the bottom teams have a player or 2 who can regularly score 25-30 in a game and take over. We just don’t have anyone in that mold. JJ would solve that for a few yrs, guessing he wouldn’t be worth the money in his last few yrs, but we should contend for a playoff seed if we add him.
by The Blake Griffin Era on Mar 17, 2010 1:17 PM PDT reply actions
how bout neither?
we should try to move up in the draft and get the kid out of Syracuse. I wouldnt mind adding Turner but i hear he’s coming off an injured back. with our luck, he would break it again.
Turner did hurt his back
but since he’s come back he’s been on a tear. I’m assuming it can’t be too serious as he was back in a month. Also, if that’s how players play with a broken back then I’m hiring a hit man to hit Baron and EJ in the back.
I’m sure teams will put him through the ringer with medical and physicals during the draft process. Seeing how he’s been playing since though should alleviate most of the concerns about his short-term health.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Mar 17, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Ying and Yang
We’re so unlucky in every other facet of the game this would balance things out.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Mar 17, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
My new best case scenario given the unlikelyness that Lebron will sign
is to sign Bosh and trade Kaman. This would also allow us to have extra cap space depending on the Kaman trade. I think once we trade Kaman we would have enough cap space to sign some of our FA’s back and sign a decent SF or sign our draft pick (fingers crossed for Turner). Of course I can still dream of signing Lebron.
LeBron or Bust !!!!
trading Kaman and signing Bosh would need a creative coach to mesh the team
but if you want to go traditional, we could start DJ and Bosh at PF and C and bring BGriff off the bench. we could always put BGriff at SF also.
What if
we landed a in the top 3 pick and drafted evan turner? Do we trade him away for FA’s or keep him.
Keep him
He’s capable of playing SF for us, he’s about the same build as Rasual Butler. If we land John Wall or Evan Turner then we will be shuffling the deck quite a bit this summer.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Mar 17, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Wesley Johnson seems like a solid pick,,,
if we continue to move up in the draft, we could probably pick up Al Farouq, also. Leaves our GM with the option of not being over aggresive on Rudy Gay and company
I'm not too high on Wesley Johnson
he’s been struggling of late (though he finally had a good game against Georgetown), he’s older (turns 23 in the summer) and he struggles against similar athletes (which will be a problem in the NBA where everyone will be as good an athlete as him). I’d rather have Demarcus Cousins over him even if Cousins doesn’t fit an immediate need.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Mar 17, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
The odds of the Clipps landing a top 2 pick
are next to none, I’m not even thinking about Turner or Wall it’s will most likely not happen.
we are most likely stuck with a pick in the 8-10 range, therefore we will miss out on any instant impact rookies and need to use our cap space to fill that void.
Why would Bosh come to LA if he could play with Wade or Derrick Rose? It’s never happening, we got a better chance at Lebron.
by The Blake Griffin Era on Mar 17, 2010 3:38 PM PDT reply actions
Actually the chances are very good
Clippers are only 1-2 games ahead of around 5 other teams. It is very realistic for them to be the 4th worst team by the end of the season.
by bballanalyst on Mar 17, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions
1-2% is not a bad chance really
It’s nowhere like the odds on the real lottery. Its pretty much the same odds as you winning the raffle at a fundraiser.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Mar 17, 2010 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions
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