LeBron Becomes Available... and the Clippers Become Invisible
The conventional wisdom this season has been that in order for the Cavs to re-sign LeBron James they needed to win a championship. Or more accurately, that the odds of him leaving Cleveland would increase substantially if they did not win a ring. Well, guess what? They didn't win.
It doesn't mean that LeBron is gone - but you could hardly tell from the way everyone has reacted. It certainly didn't help that his final game in Cleveland this year (possibly his final game as a Cavalier) was a 32 point blowout in which he was booed in the fourth quarter. He might want to get used to that - If he signs elsewhere that's all he's going to hear on trips back to Cuyahoga County.
It's not hard to see why everyone thinks that LeBron is LeGone. This Cavs team was built to win now - and they didn't. If he stays in Cleveland, he's stuck with Antawn Jamison, Mo Williams and Anderson Varejao (and the $30M combined they'll make next season) as his supporting cast. The center position is currently empty, with both Shaquille O'Neal and Zydrunas Ilgauskas being free agents, and both of those guys are on their last legs even if you wanted to re-sign them. In a particularly bitter twist, the Cavs don't have a single draft pick in this draft, with the first rounder going to the Wizards as part of the Jamison deal and the second rounder going to the Suns in the Shaq trade. In other words, Shaq and Jamison were acquired to win now, they didn't, and the second half of the 'win now' equation is 'lose later.'
In fact, if LeBron does indeed leave, the Cavs could have one of the biggest backslides in league history. After having the best record in the league in 2009-2010, how bad would they be without LeBron next season? Only the post-Jordan Bulls come to mind as a comparable riches-to-rags story.
There are other reasons to believe that he'll be leaving Cleveland, above and beyond the immediate problem that the Cavs didn't win the title. His every word between now and July will be parsed for hidden meaning and I think for the most part people are making mountains out of grammatical molehills (for instance referring to his time in Cleveland in the past tense makes sense, given that his time there to this point is, you know, in the past). Having said that, one quote did catch my eye. When he said that "me and my team have a plan" (and by 'team' he meant "Team LeBron", not the Cleveland Cavaliers), that said a lot to me. And it didn't say "I'm staying in Ohio."
Because, let's face it, staying and playing for the hometown team would be a personal decision, not a team decision. The reasons to stay in Cleveland all tend toward the personal - loyalty, family, that sort of thing. Individuals care about that sort of thing. Teams of agents and lawyers and marketers care about things like maximizing exposure, global branding opportunities and multi-media cross over appeal. The 'team' wants him the hell out of Ohio.
If he does bolt, where will he end up? I have no idea, but neither does anyone else. How do I know? The 'LeBron and Calipari to the Bulls' rumor got so much traction, so quickly, it obviously was rushing in to fill a vacuum of LeBron info. Now, I don't pretend to understand the power of Worldwide Wes and Sonny Vaccaro, but I do know that Calipari isn't even looking for a job and has gone out of his way at this point to say that he will be coaching at Kentucky next season. (At least Vaccaro had the Clippers high on the list of potential destinations, for what it's worth.) How do rumors like this get started? Again, I don't know, but if John Calipari were making $10M in the NBA next season instead of $4M in Kentucky, someone else would stand to be making a lot more money also (like for instance his agent). But there's absolutely no reason for Calipari to get on Twitter and say he's coaching the Wildcats next season if he's not, so the red-hot rumor from this morning is done this afternoon. (It doesn't mean that LeBron wouldn't go to Chicago without Calipari of course, but the whole idea of that rumor was Calipari and his pals Rose and LeBron together in the Windy City, so it all looks like so much wind at this point.)
Even if no one knows where he will end up, everyone seems pretty certain about where he WON'T be - in LA with the Clippers. The Clippers don't even enter the conversation. Chris Sheridan handicaps the four favorites (New York, Miami, Chicago and Cleveland) and even throws a darkhorse into the race in New Jersey - with nary a mention of LA. You know it's a big sports story when they cover it on NPR, and Stefan Fatsis on "All Things Considered" today went through the same list, again omitting LA. Of course, those who do mention the Clippers usually conclude that, despite a lot of concrete reasons that LBJ should consider the Clippers, he won't because of the most concrete reason of all - "It's the Clippers." Solid reasoning.
Of course, "It's the Clippers" is really just code for the real reason - "It's the Donald" - and I happen to concur with that conclusion. LeBron has a lot of options, and wherever he goes there won't be a long list of people that can adversely affect him. Coaches can be fired, teammates can traded. But a bad owner? Even LeBron would have difficulty transcending that.
If we ignore that little problem just for the moment, you can certainly make a strong case for LeBron as a Clipper. Start by asking yourself why he would leave Cleveland. The reasons boil down to two that are head and shoulders above the rest -
- the size of the market (and the opportunity to be an even bigger marketing brand that goes with it) and
- the quality of the team.
There are other potential factors of course. Things like weather and taxes and nightlife. But it seems obvious that those factors are not significant as compared to the first two.
This is why omitting the Clippers from the conversation is so depressing, because based on these requirements LA is an obvious potential destination. LA is the second biggest market in the country, and it also happens to be the location of the movie industry. The reality is that LeBron was a plenty big marketing force in the relative backwater of Cleveland. But if you're looking for the things that one city might be able to provide to a global icon that another city could not, movie studios would be high on the list.
As for talent, most anybody who bothers to analyze the potential destination rosters tends to agree that the Clippers are a great choice, if not the best choice. If he joins the Knicks, he's joining a 29 win team that is losing their all star center and doesn't have a first round draft pick. Assuming they add a second major free agent, how much better will he be then David Lee? Maybe it will even be David Lee. In the best case scenario in New York, who's the starting point guard? Who's playing in the backcourt at all? After the free agent money is spent, the Knicks are still missing two starters.
If he joins the Nets, he's joining the team with the worst record in the league last year. Are Brooke Lopez and Devin Harris nice players? Sure. Did I mention that the Nets had the worst record in the league last year?
Chicago has a claim to most talented suitor, but I'm not convinced LeBron would want to be there. For one thing, if the driving force is to get to a bigger market, Chicago is certainly bigger than Cleveland, but it sure ain't New York or LA. I'm also not convinced that he's a good fit with Derrick Rose, who has to have the ball in his hands to be effective.
Miami's pitch is predicated completely on the guys they'll sign this summer (and yes, they have a ton of cap space), so it's hard to say what they look like. But there's a bigger problem with the Heat - Miami is already Dwyane Wade's town. I don't care how much LeBron says he's enjoyed playing with DWade on Team USA - he's not sharing the spotlight with him. If his ego is too big for Cleveland, then it's definitely too big to bunk with Wade's in South Beach.
On the other hand, i he were to join the Clippers, they'd immediately become the most complete starting five in the NBA (Baron Davis, Eric Gordon, LeBron James, Blake Griffin, Chris Kaman). There'd be no question whose team it was, Baron Davis notwithstanding. And James and Griffin would have a chance to become the most formidable pair of athletes ever to suit up together. On talent alone, it's a compelling argument.
The latest issue of New York magazine is more or less dedicated to pitching LeBron on the Knicks as a destination. It's one of many shameless promotions going on, and there will doubtless be many more. (The Heat have dedicated a new web site to Dwyane Wade; a bunch of 'famous' Clevelanders got together for a "Please Stay LeBron" tribute song, which, if I was LeBron and I watched it, would pretty much send me to the exits. Those are the famous people in Cleveland? Yikes.) One of the the features in New York Magazine was a critique of all the potential destinations by Kevin Pelton. It actually included the Clippers, and here's what he had to say about LAC:
Pros: Better returning players than any competing team, with a glaring hole at small forward.
Cons: Those players all want the ball in their hands. These are the Clippers, the city’s second fiddle. And owner Donald Sterling has a poor reputation among NBA players. (Former G.M. Elgin Baylor once claimed Sterling tried to run the team with a "southern-plantation-type structure.")
"Better returnng players than any competing team." He said it, not me. The cons are what they are. I'm not sure I agree that all the other players necessarily want the ball in their hands more than most competent NBA players. In fact, Blake Griffin is likely to be more complementary than any other first overall pick. As for the other cons, they're all not basketball related - it's the Clippers, and it's the Donald. Sigh.
And that's why no one is talking about LA: it's the Clippers.
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On the same page again!
Just like the good old days. I was writing my own version of the same story at the same time, and put it up as a fan post and then found that you beat me by a few minutes. You didn’t mention the Simmons analysis, which I thought was a good way to frame the discussion.
And of course you’re right. It boils down to the same old same old:
It’s the Clippers.
does espn have an east coast bias?
Disappointed that even Bill Simmons dismissed us as a viable destination…
by banandy on May 14, 2010 7:08 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
They don't watch any Clipper games
That’s why Gordon was 2nd team all rookie last year. i think on the ESPN sophmore rankings he was ranked in the mid-teens.
Come on, everybody knows what ESPN really stands for.
Eastern
Seaboard
Propaganda
Network
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Panthers // Gators // Boise State
LA is the Clippers' city, the Lakers just play in it!
Funny
The constant talk of ESPN’s east coast bias. Those of us from New York think that it is clearly a Boston propaganda network. Nobody loves them. LOL
Well, New Yorkers ought to stop complaining...
as SportsCenter’s baseball coverage amounts to “Yankees, Yankees, Yankees, Yankees, Jeter, A-Rod, Teixeira, Mets, David Wright… holy crap, there’s other teams besides the Yankees and Mets, let’s blaze through their highlights in five seconds, Yankees.”
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Panthers // Gators // Boise State
LA is the Clippers' city, the Lakers just play in it!
About Chicago
I might add that I agree with your point, how saying “it’s the Clippers” is a lot like saying “it’s the Donald.” But there are two issues there.
One, what about the Bulls ownership? Isn’t it a little suspect? Obviously it’s not on the same level as the DTS problem, but the end of the Jordan-Pippen era was hardly graceful, and they didn’t manage things very well. They lucked into the Derrick Rose pick (much like the Clips with Griffin, but Rose has played two seasons for them already). What happens with the Bulls if LBJ doesn’t go there? We’ll see how it goes.
On the Clippers/DTS side, it raises an interesting question: is there some coach that the Clippers might hire who could take some of the stink off of Donald Sterling? That’s not an opportunity to bring up Phil Jackson’s name. But maybe there is somebody who could send a clear message that the Clippers are moving forward, and building on Dunleavy’s gains (practice facility, a play away from WCF, signing free agents).
The Bulls made a mistake
but Reinsdorf definitely spent money to make the Bulls a winner. He even paid MJ upwards of 25 million a year to make him happy. They won 6 championships, I think the Bulls ownership has proven they will spend to win.
DTS? Haven’t seen much from him in 25 years to think you would trust him to do the right thing for the team.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on May 14, 2010 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions
True, but
DTS has repeatedly said he wants to win and win bad. I think we can all say the team is managed more competently than it has in the past. As far as we know, DTS is going to spend money on a major FA.
I'll believe that when I see it
Its easy to say that when being pressed by the press. Until he actually does (which he has never done) then I think we should be skeptical (as will free agents).
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on May 15, 2010 1:59 AM PDT up reply actions
wouldn't you consider
Baron’s contract, Mobley’s contract…maybe even Kaman’s extensions and matching Brand’s Miami offer….examples of the guys spending money?
Nope
The most expensive team I could think of would be the 2006-2007 team that just came off the best Clipper season ever. They even spent some money that off season to sign Tim Thomas (which is sadly the 3rd best free agent we ever signed after Cuttino Mobley and Baron Davis). That teams payroll was still under $60 million which is not luxury tax territory.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAC/2007.html
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on May 15, 2010 2:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Pat Riley
he would definitely work. So would Coach K. The whole MDsr litigation thing doesn’t help.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on May 14, 2010 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions
That was their only chance
I think I posted something similar months ago. Given the negativity around DTS, if they wanted LBJ, they had to fire MDSr and hire a competent GM and coach. They haven’t done either yet (Olshey might turn out to be competent but he’s not a known commodity).
We have to rely on DTS to limit the negatives he himself brings to the tables. An unlikely scenario indeed if the goal is to land the best player in the league. Particuarly where as here as Simmons has just said he’s in need of competent management and coaching to win.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Hmmm....
Wasn’t MD a better “face of the franchise” than DTS? I think you could really make the argument that as a GM he was better than adequate (both as a “face” and as a GM).
And sure Sterling should limit the negatives he brings to the table, but he seems completely unaware of those negatives.
Clips should focus on hiring a coach in the next six weeks, then press hard to sign Lebron.
The conundrum
Dunleavy was better than DTS, but he was deeply flawed. And Dunleavy was interchangeable, while DTS is a given.
The question is whether DTS, led by Olshey, can make a bit of splash by hiring an outstanding coach. That would take away a lot of the mess that was left when Dunleavy was excused.
But the coaches available, the ones we’ve seen thus far in the discussion, are probably solid but they seem a bit uninspiring. Not enough to get the attention of the media and the league and Lebron.
by citizen zhiv on May 16, 2010 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't see it as a cunundrum
They have to get a good new coach and a known GM to get LBJ. Now.
IMO there really is no other way.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
This is where we disagree I guess
MDSr was a bad coach. IMO – they would never attract good free agents (unless they vastly overpay – BD) with him. They had to get a new coach. They couldn’t continue sub .400 without that change.
But as I said that’s only a part of the equation. They had to make other moves too.
So is MDSr better than DTS? Sure – but they both are horrible. If you want the LBJs of the world you have to come correct.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
That's wrong
DTS is on a whole other level of horrible. Was Dunleavy a bad coach? Sometimes, he was a competent coach at first but towards the end the team had obviously stopped listening to him. But Dunleavy was also a known commodity who was well-known in NBA circles. Compared to the guys currently being discussed as head coach candidates he was a rock star.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on May 16, 2010 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions
We can agree to disagree
If you think LBJ would leave a team with the best regular season record two years running to go to a team headed by a coach who was sub .400 over seven years, then I am not sure that there’s much to discuss.
I’m not focusing here on whether MDSr is better than DTS in the abstract but rather what needs to be done to land a great player just coming into his prime like LBJ.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Well Known Commodity...
Haha, Dunleavy was well known around the league for being a stubborn, antiquated choke artist…a guy who had an extremely talented Portland team that he couldn’t get it done with and at least one very talented LAC team that he inexplicably lead to failure in the playoffs.
Dunleavy was horrible mess…DTS sucks but as long as there is a good HC in place, LBJ would only really have to answer to the coach. Sure he’d have to do photo-ops with DTS and so forth, but as far as the basketball part goes, LBJ would mainly be reporting to whoever the HC is
"I want someone who will, you know, let me put it in or who [will] suck on it." – Donald Sterling
Wow you sure are naive
if you think DTS only involvement in the team is photo ops. If DTS doesn’t want to spend then the team will lose free agents and never add any relevant ones either. Lebron coming here is totally within the team’s and Sterling’s wallet best interest but not necessarily Lebron’s. LBJ is going to make DTS a lot more money through ticket sales, media sponsorships so this is a no-brainer. The real travesty is to basketball fans if Lebron comes here and Sterling does what he has done the past 25 years and wastes the prime of one of the most impressive physical specimens the league has ever seen.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on May 17, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't know...
I think we’re all on the same page here. Waiting is pointless. If it’s Olshey, then fine, commit to him and hire a coach. Okay, it isn’t gonna be a superstar, but it might be a smart, persuasive well-thought of guy like Casey, Turner, or even… Jackson. Hire that guy, put your faith in him, and rally the troops… Baron and Blake primarily… and go for it. If you lose, that’s okay, the effort was sincere and solid. We move on. If you win… hello happiness.
I actually think the first piece that needs to fall is, when will be picking...
that information radically changes our ability to hire a great coach or not. I’m sure all the good ones are delaying any serious talks until Tuesday happens.
Quick...
let’s put together some cash and take out DTS. Anyone know where to hire a “cleaner”. We got until July 1st to make it happen. (law enforcement officials, I’m joking, don’t hurt me)
FA in 2010.
Lebron should play NBA Live 2010
and trade himself to every team that is in the running for him. That way he’ll see who he’s playing with and what jersey he’d look good in.
http://lasportsops.tumblr.com/
hey Brandon Jennings was giving us some props
on his twitter account regarding Lebronze in a Clips jersey
Yeah I saw that
it’s good to see at least someone giving us props, although it might be because he wants to get Lebron out of the east and because he is best friends with Baron.
LeBron or Bust !!!!
Great post SP
I am just going to ignore all the media talk about where Lebron is going because the media has never been good at predicting what will happen, their only job is to analyze what has happened.
LeBron or Bust !!!!
Steve your best points are the fact the tandem of Lebron and Blake Griffin could possibly be the best front court ever
Thinking about this, maybe Team Lebron wants to “Shock” the world" and sign with the Clips? That would send Jolts through the NBA. There would be a buzz in the town that lasted all the way until we sweep the Lakers out of the Western Conference Finals and we end up NBA champs.
How is that for a hollywood script?
We should put the rights to the Clippers Championship movie in Lebrons contract : )
I mean what better sports movie plot could there be, Start with the sad clippers ending another season then shift camera to Lebron wearing a crown and cloak and riding a white horse. He then says “I am going to turn this team around and win my first championship”, queue to training camp montage complete with eye of the tiger back ground music. Then start at first game then another monologue of the season as whole with Newspaper headlines. Then start playoffs with clippers going down big at half queue inspiring speech by Lebron that is Miracle esque. Clippers turn it around then do an in dept recreation of Lakers Vs. Clippers series and finally move to championship where the movie ends with Lebron hoisting the trophy and the team crowding around them and the quiet sound of Phil Jackson crying in the back ground. End scene and Oscar Please!!!
LeBron or Bust !!!!
You Missed One Part
There has to be a severe travesty in the midst of the season to make the win that much better. Baron and Lebron have a falling out about who’s the BAWS and then they reconcile their differences to come together and win a first ever championship for the organization.
by DangerCurtis on May 14, 2010 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd buy tickets to see that movie.
One question though…Will it be in 3-D?
by Lawler 4ever on May 14, 2010 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I actually think you're onto something here....
I was wondering today what the Clippers pitch could be. I think the answer is obvious: Penny Marshall. I mean, not just Penny Marshall, but she’s the place to start. The big advantage to the Clippers as a market is Hollywood. Get LeBron in the room with directors and producers, and schmooze him. Let’s face it, they want him here. Not just Penny and Billy Crystal either. Denzel and Dustin and maybe even Jack would show up for the Clippers games if LeBron were on the team.
If the Clippers were smart, they’d be working that angle.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on May 15, 2010 1:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't think we could get those stars
they would only show up AFTER we sign Lebron. I don’t think they would bother until it was a done deal. The best way is for Baron, Blake, Eric Gordon and Kaman to camp outside Lebron’s house in Akron and bum rush the door at Midnight. I guess they should also give him one of those giant novelty checks that says “Get one free head coach of your choice”
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on May 15, 2010 2:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Baron Davis is the key to the Hollywood approach
Because of his Crossroads connections (Kate Hudson, Cash Warren + Jessica Alba, etc.), Baron Davis is more plugged into Hollywood and media and LA than any other player or sports figure. It’s a major reason why he signed with the Clippers in the first place. Of course, everything that could go wrong has gone wrong since he inked the contract, but still. And there’s also the connection between BDavis and Magic Johnson, whom BD identified as a role model and mentor for his business activities as far back as Crossroads and UCLA days. It’s a good lineage for LBJ to tap into, if he chooses to. LBJ can do it on his own, but BD will have some insights. BD can make the pitch himself, but bringing Griffin along with him might be persuasive.
by citizen zhiv on May 15, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Baron and Stacy Peralta....
That’s a lunch LeBron needs to have.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on May 15, 2010 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions
So annoying - AM710 radio was messing with the Clips
They had a text message contest with the best pitch to Lebron for why he should join the Clippers.
Laker fans obviously had a field day on this one with comments like, “your fans won’t complain if you don’t win a championship.” One of the more clever ones was, “they’ll rename the team the LA Nail-Clippers.”
Actually the first one isn't bad
gotta say they are kind of right. I don’t think the fans would complain if we never won a championship. At least we make the playoffs!
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on May 15, 2010 2:11 AM PDT up reply actions
If "nail-clippers" is the best comment Laker fans could come up with...
…they must be dumber than I thought. Seriously? I hear that all the time.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Panthers // Gators // Boise State
LA is the Clippers' city, the Lakers just play in it!
A photoshopped Lebron chewing on his nails with the caption "Lebron needs the Clippers!"
with a nice LAC logo in the corner.
Message brought to you by Clipper Nation
in my opinion
yesterdays games 6 was the biggest game in the nba since jordan played the jazz in the finals. its all over the internet, tv, and radio, the most buzz an nba gm has had in years. all i hear is that he is gone and that chicago is the most likely destination. but i think playing for the bulls would be way to much jordan talk going around and i dont think any player wants to hear that especially a lebron or kobe. realistically with the clips roster we are the best fit but the clips reputaion just hurts them to much
Two main reasons and both are valid
1) The Clips get no repsect around the league. Honestly they get little repsect in their own city.
2) LeBron is and east coast dude. He plays b ball in the eastern conference. NOT ONE TEAM MENTIONED IS IN THE WESTERN CONFERENCE.
Set a record by getting banned for the 8th time!
After rehab I saw the light and promise to be kinder and gentler!
Probation is a very slippery slope!
And if there's one thing a GS fan knows about
it’s lack of respect. :P
For those keeping faint hope alive that MDSr was the primary culprit behind Clipper woes, it turns out that the team does a fine job of losing without him. - citizen zhiv
I love you Steve in a strictly platonic way. Like how a father loves a son.
I was feeling down that LACs were easily overlooked – for obvious reasons – but when you really examine it, I really do think the Clippers should be heavily considered due to the the marketing and the make up of the team.
I just read somewhere that Lebron should go somewhere with a good Point Guard and Center. In that respects, I think it’s pretty obvious where that destination should be.
While it may be wishful thinking, maybe Lebron can make the Grinch’s heart grow. Maybe?
Umm
don’t Chicago and New Jersey offer that too? Rose and Noah and Harris and Lopez. Both are much younger too.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on May 15, 2010 2:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Well Harris has shown to injury prone
and Lopez is still developing, and we also have EJ and BG.
LeBron or Bust !!!!
Ah ok
because BD and Kaman are known for their durability. The Nets have cap room to sign another near max free agent and they will likely end up with John Wall or Evan Turner. Lopez is already better than Chris Kaman.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on May 15, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Chicago ok, New Jersey really?
If James wants the best chance of winning rings by what is objective, then Clippers and Chicago are probably his best bet. You can make a case for him to stay in Cleveland, but you can definitely easily counter-argue that as well.
While BD has yet to prove himself in LA, he’s definitely a proven PG in the league whereas Devin Harris had one All-Star year and faded. Similarly, Chris Kaman is the better Center imo, but Lopez definitely has the potential (and probably will) one day be better. Again, does James want to wait for Lopez to develop? Probably not.
Also, if the Nets get anything but the 1st draft pick, they’re pitch is going to be, “We got the 2nd (3rd or 4th) pick.” While still a good bargaining chip, it’s not as enticing.
Finally to sweeten the deal, as bestclipfan said, “We also have EJ and BG.” If youth is a concern we have DJ with us as well.
You just got Lawyered!
by DangerCurtis on May 15, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Wrong
Baron is 31, Harris is 27. Who is more likely to regress next year.
Lopez is better than Kaman already. Beats him in every statistic in fact and he is just 22 years old so he’ll continue to improve. Kaman is likely at his peak.
The Nets have a 25% chance of landing the 1st pick and a 21.5% chance of landing Turner. So they have almost a 50/50 chance of landing either John Wall or Evan Turner.
The Nets have 35 million in cap space. This means even after signing Lebron they still have 13-14 million (with cap holds) to sign another free agent. This means they could sign David Lee, Carlos Boozer, Amare or Chris Bosh. So they can sign a immediate contributor already at their peak as opposed to waiting for EJ and BG to develop.
And their bench? Terrence Williams, Yi Jianlian and Courtney Lee are still young.
You were just outlawyered.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on May 15, 2010 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
lol
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. " - Benjamin Franklin
Only problem
Is that the Nets have to play in Newark for two years, but Bron,Lopez, Harris, Wall/Turner (probably turner works better as you wouldn’t have to dump Harris to make room) and lets say David Lee (I think Bosh, Boozer and Amare will be too expensive for the remaining cap space) looks like a pretty good team. They could take the heart and soul of the city from the Knicks once they move to Brooklyn. The Jay-Z factor could make it happen. Plus you have an owner who will have no problem paying luxury tax to add veterans like the Ron Artest Lakers deal in years to come. He will also pay for a top shelf coach, not roll the dice on a cheap assistant or retread.
Truth is LeBron has some really good options. The next six weeks will be mighty interesting.
While this is true
Lebron has sold out the arena for the Cavs his entire career so he’ll be able to make it a happening place until they move to Brooklyn.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on May 17, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
LeBron
No disagreement with your analysis. However I’d like your opinion and those of the other commenters as to whether you think that Sterling’s recent pathetically dishonest decision to once again (Bill Fitch) refuse to pay his contractual obligation to his newly fired Head Coach (this time) Dunleavy, was the final nail in the Clippers as LeBron’s destination. What first class coach would sign a worthless deal with Donald. To be clear, I think he should have fired Dunleavy years ago, at least when it was obvious he’d lost the players, but why would anyone trust Sterling?
What If We...
Burn a big’ol LAC on the Espn HQ front lawn? Maybe that will get us they’re attention..=)
Go Clips Nation, 2010-11 Reloaded!!
ClipOrDie scares me
…I’m glad he’s on our side.
by banandy on May 15, 2010 12:28 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Burning something on the lawn looks way too much like Donald Sterling
by Peter B. Lap on May 15, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't think the prospect of choosing his own coach will ever get Lebron here
The problem is, such a gimmick doesn’t get to the heart of what’s surely Lebron’s biggest concern about the Clips. It goes back to what SP says, that it’s too difficult to transcend a bad owner. So before Lebron even considers us, if there’s to be even the slimmest chance, Donald will first have to demonstrate that he’s newly serious with his money. And with time getting short, there’s really only one way left: Donald needs to take a flying leap and hire a top tier coach beforehand. The bigger the name, and the gaudier the contract, the better. Lebron may give a us second look when he sees that the money is already starting to flow.
"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT
I would like to see them name a coach now....
And, in a perfect world, if they want Lebron, it should be a big name. But the names I’m hearing don’t sound all that appealing. Phil Jackson isn’t happening and I’m not sure I’d want him. Pat Riley? He has an ownership position in Miami. Not happening. John Calipari? Failed once in the pros already. Frankly, there are probably better, cheaper coaches in the pro assistant ranks, guys like Dwayne Casey and Elston Turner.
If you hired one of those guys, Casey let’s say, he becomes your mouthpiece to Lebron. He and Blake Griffin and maybe Baron are on Lebron’s doorstep on midnight July 1. Neil Olshey’s got his agent on speed dial and everybody talks as fast as they can.
To my mind it’s much better plan than the name-your-own-coach thing. That’s BS. Suppose Lebron says, “I’ll only play for Calipari.” Then you’re gonna go hire a guy who already failed in the pros, pay him an exorbitant rate in order to please LBJ. But what happens when it doesn’t work? When Calipari proves for the second time he can’t coach in the pros.
If I’m in charge, I’d hire a young smart coach, give him a decent contract, and let him do his job. Sink or swim with that guy. If Lebron wants to come, great, if not, I’m still in good shape.
Actually BG and BD can be on Lebrons doorstep before July 1st
because they aren’t technically negotiating with him. And what we could do is have Baron invite Lebron to a big party with lots of stars to show case LA star power and maybe Baron can make a pitch.
LeBron or Bust !!!!
FElton and BD
Kind of reminiscent of the discussions between FElton and Baron Davis. Didn’t exactly work out, however.
by citizen zhiv on May 15, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
SP’s point about heavily marketing the Hollywood approach and yours about having Baron “host” him early are exactly what we need. Spot on!
by Takebb909 on May 15, 2010 1:03 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
It can't hurt
really we need to pull out all the stops because every other team will be. Lebron’s going to be getting the grand tour from Miami, Chicago and NY so we better match their creativity.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on May 15, 2010 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions
California is needing representation, right?
Is Lebron vs. Kobe in the battle for LA better for the NBA than Lebron Brings the NBA back to New York?
by Takebb909 on May 15, 2010 8:55 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Don't think anybody outside of LA cares about the battle for Staples.
But LeBron in New York would be huge as everybody nationwide loves to hate New York teams. Even though Stern won’t admit it, probably everybody in the NBA head office wants LeBron in NYC. Doesn’t matter if he wins championships or not. With the Celtics already revived, LeBron making New York relevant again is the next best thing that could happen to the league.
Stern wants LBJ in NY?
no……i could never fathom such thing…
then again i wasn’t born yet in 1985 when the Knicks somehow got the first pick….hmph
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. " - Benjamin Franklin
As long as Steve says its not going to happen...
I still have hope that it might
True
we need the classic Clipper Steve Reverse Mojo on our side for this one.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on May 15, 2010 2:16 AM PDT up reply actions
get the name out there
the clips need to start making a move, ANY MOVE, to show that this is a realistic thing for lebron. the coaching hire, some contact with lebron, every clipper site giving reasons why he should come, everything. eventually, they need to make a serious splash because the clippers are getting crucified in the media because of the clipper stigma. the pros are always “this would be a great team with him” but the cons are “sterling and its the clippers” sterling needs to show hes serious, because the media is laughing at the clippers. if management does nothing about it, lebron will turn on espn and figure that we aren’t serious about courting him.
erm
what else can/should the Clippers do that would make this team better for LBJ? aside from getting a nice draft pick (which I do hope for), the Clippers are pretty much built as good as it can be for LBJ. and no, to all those out there, just cause he hasn’t lived to his contract fully, that doesn’t make Baron a candidate for trade, nor Kaman a disappointment. the fact we cleared all this cap room for this off-season would be probably as good as it gets
i guess Sterling could go get a good coach, but that begs the question which happens first, a coach or the star player.
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. " - Benjamin Franklin
management just needs to show willingness to get lebron. its not necessary trading players, its just getting the clipper name out there to him, making sure he knows that the team is willing to do what he needs, and to pay him what he needs to get him to come. the media has use crossed out of this equation right now anyway, management needs to be aggressive for a free agent for once.
what is and isn't allowed by the NBA before July 1st anyways?
is it just “official negotiations”?
City’s seem to be doing things (Cleveland w/ that song and NY with well about everything and the soon to come Clipper Rally) and is fine since the NBA has no policy against fans/cities
But can the team actually do something non-basketball related? Is there anything against putting a “LeBron you can practice at our new facility” banner outside the training facility?
I know LeBron has been talking to Rose (did LeBron call or did Rose?) Can Baron call LeBron? Can Baron invite LeBron over for a party? nothing basketball-wise…no negotiating…just having fun and chillin’
However did LeBron ask Rose things like…how are the players? how good are they? etc…..would that be considered basketball-talk in terms of negotiating?
What exactly are the rules and loopholes?
Rules
I don’t know exactly, but in broad strokes, the team itself can’t have any contact. A player can have a conversation as a friend (i.e. Baron calling LeBron, just as Baron and Brand spoke in 2008), but a GM/coach or any other team official can’t so much as say the guy’s name before July 1 or it’s tampering.
Cleveland can do what it wants regarding LeBron, since they currently hold his rights. Just like Miami has a DWade web page that is officially sanctioned by the team. But no other team can contact or even talk about free agents in anything that even looks like an official capacity. For instance, if Baron were to call the guy, it would have to be clear that it was Baron’s idea and that the team didn’t ask him to do it.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on May 20, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
"It's the Clippers" pretty much sums it up.
If the Lakers had the money available, and Kobe was on his way out, I’m pretty sure he would sign with them. Lakers are a first-class organization, Clippers not so much. It’s not the city, it’s the stink that comes with being a Clipper.
I think New Jersey is actually a very viable option. They are soon going to have a billionaire owner, they’ve got Jay-z in their corner (he seems to have more pizzazz than Billy Crystal), they have an impressive point guard, a young center, and have a good chance at the #1 pick. Lebron could play in Brooklyn wearing his Yankees hat and be the darling of the town.
I've got nothing.
The problem with NJ is
it is going to take a while for their young talent to develop. Lopez is still developing and even if you get Wall he won’t be ready to make you a contender immediately. However the clippers have the right mix of youth and veterans to mean that we could compete immediately.
LeBron or Bust !!!!
We can still get LeBron
We just need to be creative. Lets say both Aminu and Wesley are off the board when we pick 8th. The odds are that Cole Aldrich will still be on the board and if so we should draft him. He is a Minnesota native who has expressed a strong desire to play there (which is a rarity). Lets say we then trade Aldrich and Minnesota’s pick for Ricky Rubio. Even if Rubio takes a year to come over, could LeBron resist that potential lineup?
Yes, quite easily
and Rubio isn’t worth two lottery picks when he won’t come to the NBA until 2012.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on May 15, 2010 2:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I Disagree
Rubio would have been a top 3 pick without his geographical situation. An 8th pick and a future first is not too much to pay for a top 3 pick – especially when that guy is Ricky Rubio.
In addition, if the Clippers obtained that pick and LeBron decided to make his way to LA, Rubio would be on the next plane over. He wants to play in the NBA, just not in Minneosota.
Furthermore, we would still have Baron to man the fort while Rubio develops – so we have proven talent at the PG position regardless. Baron is a mess and may be the reason LeBron avoids us. Rubio goes a long way to mitigating those fears.
For the Clips to get LeBron we need to prove to him we are all about winning NOW. Getting Rubio and Sofo would strengthen our team considerably now without affecting our max cap space.
by citizen bob on May 15, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Wrong
He has a crazy buyout so he’s not coming to any team period for at least a year (really 2 years). So to give up the 8th pick AND a potential top 5 pick is crazy.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on May 15, 2010 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes. He was a number six last year?
I think, and he didn’t come. Then he signed a contract in Europe with a 1M buyout, so he probably won’t come again. His numbers didn’t really improve over there, so I don’t know how he could be worth more. Two lottery first rounders is nuts.
This article sums it up
but essentially if Rubio waits until 2012 he won’t be stuck on the rookie scale.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&page=Rubio-090902
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on May 16, 2010 1:49 AM PDT up reply actions
pretty solid article
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. " - Benjamin Franklin
lebron would prefer proven goods than just another prospect
if he’s going to wait he might as well then just stay in Cleveland, max his contract, and wait for Cleveland to do something along those lines.
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. " - Benjamin Franklin
lebron has as much chance of going to the clippers as beyonce does coming to my door this morning and asking me out
i understand the need for filler til the draft, but can we please just let this pipe dream go? everyone who’s anyone just uses LAC for leverage or dismisses LAC completely. seriously, let it go. you will feel less foolish later.
by Joe Wolf's Mullet on May 15, 2010 5:42 AM PDT reply actions
Again I Disagree
When a guy like LeBron or Kobe is a potential acquisition for your team, you go balls to the wall no matter what the consequences are. Its the difference between being the Lakers or being the Clippers.
I dont care if he screws us over – its happened before. All I care is that we try really really hard to be in the game till the final whistle is blown.
by citizen bob on May 15, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, sure. Let's just give up on any hope of making this franchise better.
We might as well just stop being Clipper fans if we do that.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Panthers // Gators // Boise State
LA is the Clippers' city, the Lakers just play in it!
Did you guys hear the latest rumor circulating the Internet?
Apparently, Delonte West was sleeping with Lebron James’s mother. And The King didn’t find out about this until around game four in the series with Boston.
It’s probably fictitious, but the rumors are out there, and I thought I would deliver them to Clippers Nation.
I've got nothing.
New Jersey
Great write up.
What New Jersey has going for them I think is obviously the proximity to New York, the Jay-Z connection, and the clincher may be John Wall or Evan Turner.
I suppose Blake Griffin is our biggest asset in this deal, along w LA and our practice facility. As long as we get a fair shot to make our pitch, who knows?
by ghost_ride on May 15, 2010 3:06 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
does anyone know what baron's up to?
baron needs to get on top of this, lebron im guessing is wise enough to listen to all his options, i think baron would be a great representative for the clippers. he’s also our team’s most ball dominant player so him getting acquainted with lebron from the getgo is important. baron needs to reach out soon.
not sure...making movies?
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. " - Benjamin Franklin
by TheNewbster on May 15, 2010 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Totally agree on Baron.
Baron needs to show LeBron the LA lifestyle since he’s the most outspoken player on the team and the leader. It also doesn’t hurt that Baron is from LA himself so I’m sure he can show LeBron what LA is all about.
yup
and baron is deeply entrenched in the film industry, meanwhile lebron is taking time off this year to make a film. baron can get lebron in touch with his hollywood contacts and show how easy filming would be here in los angeles, he wouldn’t to wait for the summer to get things done.
yup yup
We probably need to put a new post up on the main page specifically calling out Baron: going after Lebron is his primary job as a “producer” during the offseason.
by citizen zhiv on May 16, 2010 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions
He was a TE i believe?
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. " - Benjamin Franklin
Thank you!
Also, good luck against the Lakers. I’m pulling for you guys. I would reallly love to see Nash and Hill win a ring together.
by Lawler 4ever on May 16, 2010 3:48 AM PDT up reply actions
thanks for the support
But a Suns fan would have been the last person I thought would root for LeBron as a Clipper
the top of Pacific division is tight enough as it is with the Lakers and Suns…then possibly add the Clippers?
unless there a secret malicious agenda
Suns fan: “We can outrun and beat Kobe and the Lakers and go to the Finals this year and beat whichever eastern team too! Championship this year, then I know LeBron will want to try harder for a ring next year, but if he signs with the Clippers then we won’t face him in the finals against the East and the Clipper’s curse will injury LeBron so they won’t make it past us…BAM! back2back titles for Nash”
haha just kidding
The Griffin and Gordon hugs
Lets not forget that before our home game against the Cavs LeBron came over and had a nice hug and talk with Griffin. I don’t watch the Cavs all that much, but I’m sure that doesn’t happen often.
Then after the game he has a nice hug and conversation with Gordon who was torching the Cavs. He had to have been impressed with the way Gordon was killing it.
Sorry if someone else mentioned this, but I just had to throw it out there.
Good Point
LBJ has to respect Griffin, and I think he knows that if healthy, Griffin would be the best player he’s ever played with by far. He also knows Gordon’s game as a great supporting player, and I think Kaman is on par w/ the centers LeBron has played with in Cleveland with the potential to be better, and he can’t be mad at DeAndre Jordan either.
The only thing I don’t know about is his rapport with BD. Maybe it’s a plus for him to come to a team with a floor leader like BD, but then again maybe it’s not. Either way, BD could probably be moved after a year or two if it doesn’t work out.
the "hug"
Griffin said that LeBron gave him words of encouragement because he is an injured number 1 pick. However, I doubt he did the same with Greg Oden
as far as with Gordon, LeBron and Gordon are friends from when they were young. It was just a casual “hey old friend, how’s it going conversation/greeting”
As far as BD, it doesn’t matter if LeBron personally likes him or not because either way, BD will help LeBron on and off the floor. on the floor with assists and off the floor with movies
LeBron can have a personal life with his pal’s Griffin and EJ. Add in a new friend (who happens to be VERY fun) in DJ and there is the chemistry. hey maybe Kaman’s awkwardness will entertain LeBron….I’m sure Kaman is a more interesting character than Big Z
A sign or just coincidence?
First of all-great write up Steve! I’ve been trying not to get all excited with this whole lebron FA but I’m still recovering from Blake getting injured- but yesterday in the mail I got my new plates and they start with 6LEB !! I thought for a second- wow that’s pretty freaky. Could it be a sign????
"Success only comes before work inside of a dictionary!"
by Clipperoo on May 16, 2010 7:50 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
funny
Looks like we’ve got some Clippers fans in prison :D
by Peter B. Lap on May 16, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
what if the last 3 digits are his salary figures?
spooky. maybe that will lure LeBron over here. give him ur car!
No way...
That is pretty cool. I’ve been thinking of LeBron vanity plates – LBJ4LAC, that sort of thing. But just coincidentally being assigned 6LEB is pretty interesting.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on May 20, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
He's going to Miami
He and Wade will team up with a sub-Max big, (Boozer or Amare). They will compete for the title every year.
Also, don’t rule out a sign and trade to Dallas. He is very intrigued about playing a few games at Cowboys Stadium.
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
uh.....no...and no
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. " - Benjamin Franklin
by TheNewbster on May 17, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't see Miami happening
As much as Wade and Lebron want to win, they also want to play against the best (meaning each other). I think both players want better supporting casts but not a twin.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on May 17, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm sure if they were both past their prime then they would team up for the heck of it
a la Celtics
but right now….LeBron said himself…he’s still young, his legacy is still being molded…so let him mold his legacy with a team he can call his own
the only way LeBron (might) sign with Miami is if Wade signs with Chicago
Don't be surprised if it happens
If they can win 5 rings together, that is all anyone will remember. They both just got knocked out by Boston this year, and Orlando is built to win for a few years. Chicago is a low-post scorer away from being very competitive. The Lakers will be in the mix for a few more years.
I actually think Chicago is his least likely destination. Not a good fit at all. And it does nothing for his legacy, save for perhaps making him the guy who resurrected Jordan’s team.
If he signs with NY and makes them competitive, that would be huge. He would be a star in NY.
If he signs with LAC, and turns this lowly franchise into a contender, that would also be huge.
If he stays in Cleveland, he wins points for loyalty.
If he teams up with Wade, he wins multiple titles, is lauded for his unselfishness, and history remembers him well.
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
I like your tagline
not sure I like you, though.
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
Yeah no way he goes to Miami
Lebron wants it to be HIS team no Wade AND Lebron’s team.
LeBron or Bust !!!!
LeBron told you this?
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
Word
If you got a nickel for every time you could ask commenters a question like that, you’d be rich.
by Michael White on May 17, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
No but any star of that caliber comes with an equaly huge ego
you really think Lebron wants to remembered as the guy that needed another great player to win a championship, no he wants to win with his own skill and with a team that is his.
LeBron or Bust !!!!
Clippers/Lebron
The Clippers are easily the best choice for Lebron-But it will never happen-Even with Lebron and his “Coach” they would never beat the Lakers and Lebron would have to take a back seat to Kobe-Kobe would win at least 2 more titles and Lebron would be watching and never win any-He would never buy that ever! It wouldbe a great thing for Basketball and a great thing for LA to watch the two teams and stars go at it but it just wont happen—Magic & Bird again—maybe-but I just dont see it and besides Lebron is about Lebron-Actually Miami is the best for Lebron but the same thing there—his ego wont let it happen- I love Kobe and what he has done-but Kobe is almost the same-Gasol is a great player but he doesnt mind taking 2nd to Kobe—remember Shaq & Kobe—Magic & Kareem? etc If Lebron really wants to win now he should go to Miami with Wade and Riley-Wade showed he would play with Shaq—If Lebron doesnt do that I dont think he will ever win-I just dont think he is a team player dedicated to winning a title-all the other teams-Chicago-New Jersey-Knicks would still have no chance with Lebron-But they would all make money and so would Lebron-Just no titles- I see Lebron ending his career much like Pat Ewing- However I think Ewing was a better player and person—All in All think what would happen if Lebron would come to the Clippers-It would truly show his “True Grit” I think he will stay in Cleveland
We beat Lakers twice this season without Griffin.
We would own them with LeBron and Griffin healthy.
by Peter B. Lap on May 18, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions

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