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It's come up a few times on the site, so it's not exactly a secret, but in the interests of full disclosure everyone should know up front that I am a Suns fan.  They are my second team, my mistress team if you will, and there was a time when they were my first team.  The late 80s Kevin Johnson-Tom Chambers Suns were probably my favorite team of all time, and their 4-1 series victory over the Lakers 20 seasons ago (yikes!) was one of the two most satisfying playoff series victories of my fandom (Clippers over Nuggets in 2006 being the other one of course). 

So it feels pretty good to have the Suns back even in the Western Conference Finals, tied 2-2 with the Lakers after two pretty nice wins in Arizona.  I said on Sunday that it was up to Phoenix to salvage what had been a pretty dismal post-season, and indeed they have.  (Actually, it's also worth noting that it's another case of the famous ClipperSteve reverse mojo - since I whined about all the sweeps and all the blowouts, the teams behind in the Conference Finals have gone three and oh, including an overtime win for the Magic in Boston.) 

Unfortunately, I missed the last nine minutes of Suns-Lakers Game 4.  With champions to be crowned on BOTH Dancing With the Stars AND American Idol, and a wife and two adolescents in the house, even my DVR couldn't save me tonight.  The Suns had just taken a two point lead at 89-87 when Tom Bergeron and Brooke Burke took over my TV screen.  Of course the Suns made three consecutive threes soon after, stretching the lead to 11, where it more or less stayed the rest of the game, and we're coming back to LA all knotted up.

Star-divide

There are a handful of really fascinating things happening in this series (more specifically in these last two games) to keep an eye on.  I don't claim to have any great insights here - in fact, I'm more than a little baffled.  But it will be paramount to see how these factors play out on Thursday in Staples Center, as they may determine the winner of this series. 

The Suns bench.  Admit it, you're just as shocked as I am about this, right?  Goran Dragic, Leandro Barbosa, Jared Dudley, Channing Frye and Lou Amundson?  With the exception of Barbosa, I doubt that even the most savvy and fervent Phoenix fans believed that any of these guys were legitimate NBA rotation players going into the season.  Phoenix' fatal flaw for many seasons has been a shameful lack of depth, and this team appeared to be the thinnest in years.  Instead, the Phoenix bench has been the difference for them throughout the playoffs, and especially tonight.  All five of their backups were in double digits for their plus/minus tonight, while all five Phoenix starters were negative (and all four Lakers subs were also negative).  So you're saying, "Sure, the Suns reserves played well against the terrible Lakers bench.  Big deal."  Well that's true, but it's not the whole story.  For one thing, did we really think that the Suns bench was better going into the series?  More importantly, the Suns reserves played a cumulative 115 minutes tonight, compared to only 66 from the Lakers reserves (and more than half of those from Lamar Odom).  So mathematically, it's obvious that the Suns reserves were outplaying at least of few Lakers starters tonight.  The key would seem to be Channing Frye.  After going an incomprehensible 1 for 20 in the first three games, he was 4 for 8 (all of them three pointers) tonight.  If he can manage one good game in LA, the Suns certainly have a chance in this series.

It's also interesting to note that when he coached the Suns, Mike D'Antoni had the shortest bench in the league.  And it got even shorter in the playoffs.  Back in 2006, Eddie House got some consideration for sixth man of the year, playing over 17 minutes per game during the regular season - and then got about 7 minutes per in the playoffs when you factor in the five DNP-CDs he got against the Clippers.  So while Alvin Gentry may have brought back some of the D'Antoni playbook in Phoenix, he certainly has a different philosophy about minutes.  D'Antoni's not the only coach in the NBA who goes with a tighter rotation in the playoffs - almost everyone does in fact.  The Celtics are down to playing essentially 8 guys (and having those 8 guys healthy is the difference between domination this year and elimination last year).  Gentry plays ten, and not only that, he plays his reserves as a unit for long minutes.  It's pretty much unheard of in playoff basketball (Boston doesn't even have a backup point guard).  And it's working.  Go figure.

The Suns zone.  Zone defenses don't work in the NBA.  Teams don't use them for extended periods because NBA offenses are too good and they find the seams in the zone eventually.  The only way to succeed on defense in the NBA is to accept the challenge to shut down your opponent, to 'man up' (in more ways than one).  That's the conventional wisdom anyway.  And the Suns have thrown it out the window.  As I mentioned, I didn't watch all of this game, but every second I watched, the Suns employed a zone.  And damned if it didn't work.  To be sure, this is not your high school coach's 2-3.  It's a sort of a hybrid matchup zone, where the Phoenix players are hyper-aware of Kobe's whereabouts.  It's not a box-and-one, but at times it feels like it, with someone (usually Hill or Dudley) playing tight man defense on Kobe when he has the ball, and the other four Phoenix players shading towards him as well.  Interestingly, Bryant was almost unstoppable tonight despite all the extra attention, scoring 38 points on 22 shots.  But his teammates really let him down.  The Lakers not wearing number 24 attempted 43 three point field goals in two games in Phoenix, making 9 of them.  That's an obscene number of threes (especially when you consider that Kobe has taken 17 himself for a two game Lakers total of 60!).  The zone is designed to give a lot of attention to Kobe, to clog up the middle, and to force the other Lakers to take threes with a guy running at them.  Mission accomplished.  Of course, if the Lakers get hot and make a bunch (they made over 50% of their three pointers in the LA games, taking about half as many) then it's a different story.  But if Phil can't convince them to penetrate the zone some more, then they could be in big trouble.  (The other big factor in game four was the ineffectual Pau Gasol.  I don't expect that to happen again.)

Rebounding.  The Suns outrebounded the Lakers 51-36 tonight.  That's almost unfathomable.  The entire story in games one and two was the Lakers' length.  "Oh, they're just too long for the Suns, the series is over because of those long, long Lakers."  Also consider that one of the big knocks against playing zone defense is that it supposedly hurts your defensive rebounding, because players don't have box out assignments.  (As an aside, that's a load of crap.  Your box out assignment is anybody wearing a different colored uniform when the shot goes up.  The idea that it's harder to box out when you're playing a zone is not true.  It's always hard work to box out - and many NBA players do a poor job of it, regardless of the defensive scheme.  But playing zone changes nothing if you're willing to put in the effort.)  So how did the Suns outrebound the Lakers on both ends?  The short answer is that they wanted it more, and you can bet that every single Lakers player, starting with Bynum and Gasol, is getting an earful on the plane back to LA about that particular stat.  There's really no excuse for it.

Can the Suns bench perform as well in LA as they did in Phoenix?  Can the zone defense continue to confound the Lakers' offense and force them to settle for threes?  Watch the bench points, the number of three point attempts by the Lakers and the rebounding stats closely in game five on Thursday.  Those factors will determine the winner.

One more thing.  GO SUNS!

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You probably made a huge mistake

when you left that gorgeous girl in the desert for the mentally disturbed aspiring actress in lala land.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on May 26, 2010 1:58 AM PDT reply actions  

Don't Mess with the Goran?

or Dragic Johnson? I know that it’s pronounced Drah-gich, but damn if he wasn’t magic tonight. I hope you caught the highlights Steve. He put on a show. Ask Derek Fisher what he thinks about him.

The Suns actually played their reserves deep into the 4th quarter. I believe Barbosa made a bad move, and Gentry brought back in the starters with 5 mins or so remaining.

The Suns have made it a series and they make the Clippers Parade/March for LeBron on Thursday possible. Heading back to LA will be a true test for Phoenix. Typically role players don’t do as well on the road and it’s up to the stars to put the team on their backs. The Suns bench has outplayed the Lakers in these wins, so they’re going to have to man up and pull one out on the road. If they want this series period, they have to win one in Los Angeles. The referees should be in the Lakers pocket for game 5, which will make things harder for the Suns. This is the swing game and they really need to do everything that they can to overcome the calls in favor of the Lakers (you can call home cooking if you want) and motivated/pissed off Laker team.

by Lawler 4ever on May 26, 2010 3:05 AM PDT reply actions  

Frye finally realized

he can only catch and shoot…no more dribbling..

"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. " - Benjamin Franklin

by TheNewbster on May 26, 2010 3:18 AM PDT reply actions  

Go Suns

On the other coast, meanwhile… If the Celts fold 3-0 as their Bruins did, Boston’s gonna pack it up and move to Tahiti.

"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT

by SilverClip on May 26, 2010 7:19 AM PDT reply actions  

That Zone D

In retrospect and in theory, it makes sense that Zone D works in favor of the Suns since they are a small and speedy team. Pretty interesting seeing how it works.

by DangerCurtis on May 26, 2010 8:57 AM PDT reply actions  

Everyone knows

the Suns can’t win with that style.

Wait, what?

PS – I think that they could use another athletic big.

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on May 26, 2010 9:07 AM PDT reply actions  

These Suns are doing it differently

They are better than the D’Antoni Suns. Amare rarely has to play center anymore, which helps.

I still believe the D’Antoni style can’t win.

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on May 26, 2010 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

You may be right

The style may not be able to win the championship, depending on who is going against the Suns. I think however that it is proven to be a winning style, in general, with the right personnel. It certainly is better than whatever style the Clippers had all these years.

How different are these Suns? Isn’t the main difference that they can now employ a zone defense? I would say that this zone with the Matrix in his prime would be intriguing.

The D’Antoni Suns should have been in the fnals the year Amare was suspended against the Spurs.

I personally prefer a more balanced team. This is interesting though.

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on May 26, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

I enjoy the way this Suns team plays

It seems more organized than when D’Antoni was running it. And these guyes hustle.

I think the biggest difference might be that this team does actually have some bigs that can allow Amare to play the 4, rather than having Marion at the 4 and Amare at center.

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on May 26, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

From the guy who counsels against judging anything else until ALL information is known…

The series will go back to LA and the tone will change. And everyone knows what I am implying when I say tone.

Though if we are making judgments now, I guess this proves Jackson is a terrible coach since he can’t crack one little zone thrown up by someone who has never won anything in Gentry. I mean he must be truly awful.

Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball

by John R on May 26, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Who's making judgments?

The Suns won 2 games in the west finals. Maybe you haven’t been watching.

The Lakers will probably win.

Funny how you are now ripping Gentry, the former coach of your beloved team. Oh, wait, you love MDSr, not the Clippers.

Oh, and oh wait, coaches don’t matter. Right?

Finally, the fact that you believe in Tim Donaghy’s whacko conspiracy theories says it all.

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on May 26, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Excellent write up, Steve.

I know we’re Clipper fans, but can’t we discuss the playoff games like this more often? I’m rooting against the Lakers even more fervently than usual (if that’s possible). If they go down, no way Buss DOESN’T cut Phil’s salary. There’s no better magnet to attract LeBron than hiring Phil.

"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's doing down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.

by Gordon for President on May 26, 2010 9:19 AM PDT reply actions  

Game Threads?

Do you guys want game threads for the playoff games? I can do that.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on May 26, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm for it

actually watching good basketball is a treat. Nothing like watching 3 years of consistently disappointing basketball to make you appreciate it when teams play the right way.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on May 26, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

I’m a Clipper fan first, and an NBA fan second. I enjoy watching as many play-off games as I can, thought it’d be cool to discuss, as well.

"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's doing down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.

by Gordon for President on May 26, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Last night was the most fun I have had watching basketball

in a long time. These Suns are a blast.

I love the hustle. Amare attacking the basket. I love Amundsen’s effort, and Lopez, and the streaky shooting. That backup PG is good, too.

Count me as a Suns fan, too.

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on May 26, 2010 9:51 AM PDT reply actions  

Watching tv shots to the suns bench last night

i noticed someone familiar in street clothes!…Taylor Griffin!…it’s the Griffin mojo!…we’ll have it next season baby!

Roger Sterling: To my knees, Don. They're bringing to my knees!"

by Lawler's Law on May 26, 2010 1:43 PM PDT reply actions  

You guys rock...

first blog I’ve read (other than Bright Side of the Sun) that actually gives this Suns team a little credit, and a fighting chance at victory… Come on over and say hello…

by Gildo on May 26, 2010 1:45 PM PDT reply actions  

BSS is a great blog...

I like Steve love the KJ-Chambers-Barkley Suns…I hope you give them a fight til the 7th game!

Roger Sterling: To my knees, Don. They're bringing to my knees!"

by Lawler's Law on May 26, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on May 26, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

The whole blogosphere is pulling for the Suns...

even if they’re not convinced they can win. But yeah, Clips Nation will always be there for BSotS. Hell, I remember Dan Hilton and TexSun.

Here’s the thing… the Suns were so bad, and shot so poorly, in the first two games in LA, I’m far from convinced that they can’t win in Staples. They need to have one good shooting night in LA to win this series.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on May 26, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

They need a ridiculously hot night of shooting

They had a chance in game 2, they were tied going into the 4th. Game 1 they shot a miserable 5-22 from deep, they need to game where they shoot 50% from 3 and they can steal one.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on May 26, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Their shooting let them down in the first two games

and they appeared to be too small.

But they have adjusted…big time.

If they can pull off Game 5, I think they may win it. Crazy.

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on May 26, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks Steve

as always and you know when the Clippers are back in the WCF we will be there for ya!

But as for the Suns bench, it’s been this way all season long and even going into the season we were all pretty encouraged. I know most people didn’t notice b/c of the way the Suns ended the last season, but after Gentry took over, Dragic had a solid 6 weeks where he showed he was legit. Shot over 40% from three and ran the team well as the backup PG.

Frye obviously is better than expected and Robin has been fantastic but Lou, LB and Jared were known quantities. Mostly thought, the credit goes to Gentry as well as Nash and Hill for fostering the right kind of environment for those guys to succeed. Where else but the Suns can a guy like Frye go 1-19 and be told that the only way he will be benched is for passing up an open shot.

There is a lot to be said for trusting each other and having confidence in role players. It leads to getting the most possible production out of players with limited talent. The Lakers wouldn’t understand that and if the Suns win, that will be why.

Those rebounding stats you mentioned were all about fresh legs vs Lakers bigs who are playing big big minutes. My hope is that extra time will start playing a big factor in the fourth quarters of these next two games. There are no more extended breaks for those guys to rest up.

And seriously, can Kobe keep hitting ridiculous contested shots EVERY game?

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by Seth Pollack on May 26, 2010 8:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Excellent post from one in the know

Gentry gets some credit here, and yes, he does matter (apparently).

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on May 26, 2010 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Suns just need to win once at Staples

and then I think they can handle winning one game on the road. If the Suns win the championship I swear I will go buy a Steve Nash jersey or maybe I will get a custom clippers jersey and put Nash on the back.

LeBron or Bust !!!!

by bestclipfan on May 26, 2010 8:33 PM PDT reply actions  

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