Want LBJ? Trade for CP3
How badly do we want LBJ? According to this article, you can greatly increase your odds to get him if you trade for CP3.
Questions abound:
The Clippers could conceivably trade for CP3, but would that also allow them to sign LBJ?
What would the Clips have to give up to get CP3 (assuming the article is to be believed)? Any trade would have to include BD, but who else would you include? Blake Griffin? Is he enough? How many of us would agree to trade Blake Griffin and BD for CP3 and LBJ? What about BD, BG and EJ?
Talk amongst yourselves . . .
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I'd do it but no way the Hornets bite on that
This is Chris, f**king, Paul.
by dulciusXasperis on Jun 21, 2010 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Can we include future draft picks with BD, EJ, and #8?
This will never happen but CP3, Giffin, Kaman, and LeBron? Wow.
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's doing down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Jun 21, 2010 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions
If it's true I would hope that they are making a run.
I think CP3 would RELISH competing with Kobe in the big city. Imagine the pub he’d get with or without LBJ.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Maybe add the Minny pick?
I still don’t think the Hornets would do it, but they’d get a lot of good pieces!
"look, you can find any coach you want, bring him in here and run the situation. But I don't think they are going to do as good a job as I do." -Mike Dunleavy Sr.
by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Jun 21, 2010 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=27dx8wm
"look, you can find any coach you want, bring him in here and run the situation. But I don't think they are going to do as good a job as I do." -Mike Dunleavy Sr.
by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Jun 21, 2010 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions
If the article is correct, I wonder why the owner would even consider trading their franchise
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Darren Collison
He’s younger and played really well this past season in a starting role.
Still not a good enough reason to trade Chris Paul, but that’s probably what they’d be thinking if they were to trade him away.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Panthers // Gators // Boise State
LA is the Clippers' city, the Lakers just play in it!
Great point - forgot about DC
Which is embarrassing since I’m a UCLA homer
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Baron Davis Eric Gordon and Blake Griffin
for Chris Paul coming off an injury and a shot at LBJ based on what WWW says.. Pass
Chris Paul ($14,940,153) and James Posey ($6,478,600) for Baron Davis ($13,000,000), Eric Gordon ($3,016,680), DeAndre Jordan ($854,389), and #8 overall. Would you guys be down to do that? Only problem is that we wouldn’t have enough money to sign LeBron.
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Yeah, we'd only have about $14 million left :(
"look, you can find any coach you want, bring him in here and run the situation. But I don't think they are going to do as good a job as I do." -Mike Dunleavy Sr.
by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Jun 21, 2010 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Couldn't you just trade
BD and EJ for CP3 straight up? WHy do they have to throw in Posey?
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
The Hornets are going to want someone to take on one of their bad contracts – Posey or Okafor – in any trade involving Paul or Collison.
Twitter: @FlyByKnite
Got it.
I suspect that if we were able to land CP3 and have $14 M left that LBJ would still probably come here if BG is still in town. Heck, CP3 can restructure his deal to get LBJ here.
The bad contracts DO NOT MATTER if we could get CP3 and LBJ. Arguably the trade would be worth it just for CP3. Posey could be serviceable. Remember, BD is also a bad contract.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
If the Hornets didn’t do Devin Harris and #3 for Chris Paul, I doubt they do any other deal. Kinda sucks but oh well.
Twitter: @FlyByKnite
Don't we have the Minny pick to offer among other things?
Devin Harris sucks
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
We can offer that but I doubt we want to. And Harris doesn’t really suck. The only negative with Harris is that he’s 27.
Twitter: @FlyByKnite
He's injury prone
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Right but if I'm trading the best player in the league
I want someone back who I can at least count on to play
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Devin Harris has played in 277 games the last 4 seasons. Chris Paul has played 267.
I know, I know, Paul is better. I’m just saying, though. There’s no much difference between them in games played.
Twitter: @FlyByKnite
I'd have to chec, but
I seem to recall that CP3 had one big injury that contributed mightily to those totals.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
He also missed 18 games in 2006-2007. I forget what for, though.
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by FlyByKnight on Jun 22, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Small things
sprained ankles, that sort of thing.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jun 22, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Getting CP3 (and thus probably LBJ)
means that the Minny pick doesn’t matter any longer. Who cares?
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Buddy
That’s quite the giant leap of faith there.
Increase chances =/= assured.
What's the giant leap of faith?
CP3 by himself would be a fantastic move for the Clippers so long as they still have BG and change.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
That CP3 = LBJ
Last I checked CP3 and LBJ didn’t come packaged together.
I would give up the farm [EJ, BG, 1st rounder(s)] for the King, but not for CP3 alone.
Some people think he's better
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Let me clarify
If we get CP3 by trading away BD and his bloated contract, that would mean alot for this franchise in a number of ways, depending on what we’d have to give up to get him. Sort of doubt that the Hornets would take BD though.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Oh, don’t get me wrong, I’d trade the Minnesota pick in a heartbeat if it guaranteed Paul and LeBron.
I just don’t think the front office would. That’s all. I’d trade Baron Davis, Mardy Collins, #8 overall, and the MIN pick for Chris Paul.
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It would have to be EJ in there
If we offered them Baron, EJ, the 8th pick and the Minnesota pick they’d have to listen. That’s 4/5th of a starting lineup, 3 of them with cheap contracts.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jun 22, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
True. I doubt we’d trade Baron Davis anyways. We’d have to move Kaman in any deal for Paul.
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by FlyByKnight on Jun 22, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Why?
And if that’s true would we keep EJ?
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Possibly
but we’d have to take a bad contract (Posey) to make the salaries match. Problem is I don’t see why the Hornets would want Baron when they have CD. I guess Kaman, EJ, #8 pick and Minnesota pick make more sense. But then we’d be starting Deandre Jordan at Center and we don’t want that.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jun 22, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Would you rather have DJ at center and CP3 at the point and possibly LBJ at the wing?
Or Kaman at Center and BD at the point?
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Flawed question
You can’t just whimsically throw in LBJ into that scenario. I’d rather have CP3 and DJ than Kaman and Baron but you neglect to factor in the loss of the #8 pick and EJ (our starting SG). Baron, CP3, DJ, Blake and LBJ would be a work in process lineup still.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jun 22, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually, the answer is flawed
We can get an SF through free agency assuming that we don’t get LBJ. We could even pick up Posey. We won’t need the 8th pick and we can handle the loss of EJ. Players will want to come here and play with CP3. Which is not, ahem, what’s been happening around here.
If you think any lineup that begins with CP3, Blake and LBJ would be a work in progress than I really don’t know what to say.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Why would they want Baron Davis? They need a legit center. Bringing in Baron does nothing for that franchise.
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by FlyByKnight on Jun 22, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Another question - say we go over the cap by $4M
What is the penalty – $4M?
I suspect that DTS would make that money back very quickly if LBJ and CP3 were here for 6 years.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
I'm no expert
But my understanding is you can only go over the cap to re-sign your own players.
So Clips can’t choose to go over the cap by $4MM to sign LBJ and CP3.
by Michael White on Jun 22, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Ah - I did not know that - thanks
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Donald Sterling is in love with Chris Paul
If I remember correctly, he told CP3 during a game that he belongs in LA.
Dumb question but do trade exceptions count as money in a trade? Like if there was a $3 million difference, and we wanted to save that $3 million in order to finish signing LeBron, can a trade exception cover that?
Twitter: @FlyByKnite
Trade exception..
A trade exception is pretty much used to absorb a contract when you’re over the cap. It can only be used for equal or less value. For example, we have a $3.35 million trade exception from the Z-Bo trade, and that can only be used to take in a contract of $3.35 million or less. You can’t combine it with cap space, other players, or other trade exceptions. Hope that makes sense, but the simple answer to your question is, no… LOL
"look, you can find any coach you want, bring him in here and run the situation. But I don't think they are going to do as good a job as I do." -Mike Dunleavy Sr.
by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Jun 21, 2010 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn. I’m sad now.
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by FlyByKnight on Jun 22, 2010 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions
anyone here
thinks baron is better than chris paul anyway? waste of time
Not sure exactly what you're asking here, but if you're suggesting that Baron is better than CP3, then that's madness!
"look, you can find any coach you want, bring him in here and run the situation. But I don't think they are going to do as good a job as I do." -Mike Dunleavy Sr.
by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Jun 22, 2010 1:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Yea
and about 300 Clipper Spartans want to fight you now.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jun 22, 2010 1:51 AM PDT up reply actions
highriser = BD
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Out of curiosity for assist numbers between Davis and Paul, I went looking. Found an interesting statistic.
Since 2006-2007, Chris Paul has had 1056 assists come on made shots around the rim. Baron Davis has had 1028. Paul has had 765 assists come on made shots from three-point range. Davis has had 544. Now, mind you, Baron Davis has played in 285 games since 2007. Chris Paul has played in 267. So Davis has played in 18 more games and still comes up 249 assists shy of Chris Paul in that regard. It only gets better with Paul, as well.
In his career, Chris Paul registers 0.2675 assists per minute played. Baron Davis is at 0.2087 assists per minute played.
At this point of their careers, Chris Paul is a better passer, shooter, scorer, and rebounder than Baron Davis. The only facet of the game where Baron Davis can actually challenge Chris Paul in is defense. It’s safe to say that Chris Paul is a better player than Baron Davis. And I don’t even like Chris Paul. So that takes a lot for me to say.
Twitter: @FlyByKnite
Plus (big Plus) CP3 is much much much younger
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
If they are considering trading him...IF
It would be because they think they can go with Collison and be good enough on the cheap and they would be looking for cheap pieces and cap relief.
You can’t be looking at Baron as the matching salary and Kaman is really unlikely too since they have West and Okafor as their bigs. Not that they are married to Okafor I’m sure, but then including Okafor in the trade creates huge salary matching problems. There likely isn’t a path here for the Clippers unless a third team is involved. Kaman to Detroit then 2 LAC first rounders + Gordon + Prince to the Hornets. Something like this is a start.
Paul and James (LOL FIRST NAMES FOR LAST NAMES) would be a much more formidable team than James and any of the FA bigs. If they get together everyone else should probably just quit.
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
Agreed - I see them as the two best players in the NBA
And they play complimentary positions and are relatively young. If (IF) they are actually entertaining trade offers, I would do whatever I could to try to lock that up. It seems to me that the Clippers, of all the teams involved (perhaps other than the Bulls), have the most assets to offer.
Hopefully Olshey is working the phones on this.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Looks like many teams are trying for CP3
The Magic are among the teams that recently inquired about Chris Paul, according to Fanhouse.
It’s not a true shot at Jameer Nelson, because almost every team in the league would love to have CP3. But the fact remains that Nelson takes a lot of heat in Orlando for not being an elite, pass-first kind of point guard. They may very well be looking to upgrade.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Getting LBJ is a pipe dream
Getting LBJ AND CP3 is a…bong dream?
Stranger things have happened, I suppose.
I'm all for getting CP3 (obviously)
I just don’t see how you get Lebron also.
Me and my buddies had worked out a scenario where the Clips pick up Paul now, play the season, then sign Carmelo in the offseason. Something like that. But I can’t remember the details so I guess my comment is pretty pointless. Sorry.
I suspect that landing CP3 would open up a world of free agent possibilities for us
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
It would...
but LBJ is not leaving $20-30 million on the table for that. You simply can’t assume he’d take $14 million a year instead of the full max.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jun 22, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Is the difference really that much?
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Um yes
since its a 5-6 year deal, it starts off as a 2.5 million difference, then a 3 million difference and so on. In the end its a difference of over $20 million over the life of the contract.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jun 22, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Um (not sure why you said "um" but I digress) ok
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Any trade that brings in Paul would likely send Kaman out of town. Just sayin’.
Twitter: @FlyByKnite
Not really
NO would only want Kaman if they were trading Okafor. Kaman and Baron for Paul and Okafor – I’d do, but I don’t believe it would ever happen. What NO really wants is to cut salary and rebuild so I doubt they want Baron or Kaman.
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