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D minus 1 and Counting - who will the Clippers Draft?

It's been almost two weeks since I wrote an extended post about the draft.  With 'Clipper Christmas' a matter of hours away, it seems like it's now or never to get some final thoughts out there.

All the talk right now is about Al-Farouq Aminu (hereafter referred to as AFA) going to the Clippers.  That's the way it happened in the SBNation Mock Draft, and I pounced on AFA when it was my turn.  Now many experts are predicting that the same thing will happen in the real thing.

In fact, for what it's worth, DraftExpress and NBADraft.net are now in lock step on the top ten picks, which does not happen very often.  It makes you suspect that messages have been put into circulation about who is picking whom in the early picks.  Now, the problem with those messages is that they could turn out to be misinformation at the end of the day - but someone is saying, for instance, that AFA "doesn't make sense" in Detroit  as Jonathon Givony of DraftExpress tweeted on Tuesday.

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As it stands right now, it seems like there are five guys who are fairly widely considered to be a cut above the rest - John Wall, Evan Turner, Derrick Favors, DeMarcus Cousins and Wesley Johnson.  I'm not saying those guys will go in the top five (though it seems like they might); I am saying that if any of them actually fell to eight, the Clippers would draft them and ask questions later.  The same is probably also true of Golden State and Detroit, picking six and seven.

So it likely comes down to what the Warriors and Pistons will do with who is left on the board when they pick.  The Warriors, even after trading Corey Maggette Tuesday, are still overloaded on the wing.  (After all, did Maggette play a single minute at small forward in Oakland?  He played power forward for the Dubs, as strange as that is.)  Of course, AFA is much more of a power forward than Corey is, so perhaps he makes sense for them (in a bizarro, upside down, Don Nelson sort of way; you have to figure that Nelson would love the guy.).  Any sane person, given the Warriors current roster, would jump at one of the very solid bigs still on the board like Greg Monroe, Ed Davis, Cole Aldrich, Patrick Patterson or Ekpe Udoh.  But it's the Warriors, so you never know.

The Pistons are in a similar position, in need of front court help, and with a seeming glut on the wings.  AFA is more of a tweener than a pure three, but with Jason Maxiell, Chris Wilcox and Charlie Villanueva as the only pure bigs signed for next season, and second year players Jonas Jerebko and Austin Daye capable of playing the three behind Tayshaun Prince (not too mention that Jerebko, Daye, Prince and even Villanueva are also all tweeners like AFA), the front court pick would seem to be the smart choice in Detroit as well.  In a way, both Detroit and Golden State are the mirror image of the Clippers - will they take the best player available (arguably AFA), or will they draft for need (front court help)?  For the Clippers, if AFA is off the board, their dilemma is reversed, the small forward need versus the BPA, which will be a big.  The Clippers' problem goes away if AFA is still there.

Of course, things rarely go as planned in the draft, so it's safe to say that we'll get some surprises in the top seven picks.  The Clippers will need to respond accordingly.

I find it a little curious that one of the big clues to why AFA might go to the Clippers is that he canceled his workout in Detroit.  Well, last I checked, he hasn't worked out for the Clippers either.  And then there is the dreaded promise.  A couple years ago I wrote a little something on how illogical draft promises are.  Maybe I'm missing something, but they really don't seem to make sense for players or for teams.  Maybe if it's a question of a player staying in the draft or pulling out, but we're long past that at this point.  So what exactly is the point of a 'promise'?  I don't know.

At any rate, it seems fairly safe to say that the Clippers will take AFA if he's on the board at eight, with or without a promise.  But what if he's not?  Then it gets tricky.  Assuming that the 'big five' I listed above and AFA are all gone when the Clippers pick, they're going to have a very difficult task. 

Of the top front court prospects, the Clippers have worked out Ekpe Udoh, Patrick Patterson, Ed Davis and Hassan Whiteside.  They have not worked out Greg Monroe or Cole Aldrich.  (I should point out that just because the team has not had a player into the training facility for a workout does not mean they haven't scouted them pretty thoroughly.  Neil Olshey may have attended a workout for one of these other players at another team's facility, as was the case when they drafted Al Thornton in 2007.  The fact that they haven't been to Playa Vista for a workout means just that - they haven't been to Playa Vista for a workout.) 

Of the group of small forwards generally considered to be after AFA, they've looked at pretty much all of them: Paul George, Gordon Hayward, Luke Babbitt and Xavier Henry.  It's worth noting that in a draft that was thought to be heavy with front court prospects, there are going to be seven wings among the 15 players invited to be in the green room.  So this group of small forwards seems to have impressed someone other than just Clipper fans, and maybe one of those guys isn't quite the stretch we first thought.  Even so, if the team isn't completely sold on one of them versus another, it might make sense to trade down and pick up an extra asset. 

So what's it going to be?  Need or best player available?  For what it's worth, here's my draft board, after the big five who will all be gone.

  • AFA - He's 19, he's crazy long, he's athrletic, he's a great rebounder and a plus defender (two things that are hard to coach), and he's a hard worker.  The Clippers biggest needs from the three are defense, range and rebounding - two out of three ain't bad, and the third can be developed.  He's the safe pick if he's available, and having Eric Gordon (21), Blake Griffin (21) and AFA (20 in September) from the last three drafts is pretty exciting in the long term.
  • Greg Monroe - He's the only one of the bigs that I would consider on 'best player available' grounds.  I've always been a sucker for a big man who can pass, and I love this about Monroe's game.  It certainly makes the glut in the Clippers' front court worse, but I salivate at the idea of two such skilled, young bigs as Griffin and Monroe.  Of course, it's unlikely that Monroe will be available at eight (I can't imagine he'd make it past the Pistons), but if he is, I'd be sorely tempted.  Then again, the Clippers didn't even work him out, so he may be a mystery to them if he falls that far.
  • Gordon Hayward - If the first seven picks include the big five, AFA and Monroe (which is of course still a distinct possibility) then I would got with Hayward.  Oh, and before I went with him, I'd be on the phone with the Grizzlies, the Wolves and a few other teams to see what they were willing to give up in order to trade up to eight.  Hayward obviously has high bust potential.  He's skinny, his arms are not particularly long, he's not a great athlete.  But he's a player.  One of the reasons I like Monroe is because of his ability to make plays, and that's what I like about Hayward.  I see point forward potential in him, on a team that was lacking in playmakers last season (and really, for several years).  People complain about his scrawny frame, but he was a great rebounder in college, so he doesn't seem to be getting pushed around.  They complain that his lateral quickness isn't great and that he won't be able to defend in the NBA - but once again, in college defense was one of his strengths.  Obviously NBA competition is different, but rebounding has over the years tended to translate very well to the NBA, and good defense often has more to do with a high basketball IQ than pure footspeed, and Hayward's BBIQ is off the charts.  I repeat - he could be a bust.  But of the who four small forwards will be available, he's my pick.

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I like the list

Definitely goes AFA, Monroe and then I guess anyone of those SFs prospects will work, though a downer now that we think we have a real shot at AFA. I wish AFA had worked out for the Clips… he could have been on the teams radar for months though, the team had to have realized in mid to late february that we were getting a mid lottery pick. Or maybe I’m just trying to rationalize this in our favor.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jun 23, 2010 12:59 AM PDT reply actions  

It is going to be interesting to see how this all turns out...

the speculation ends Thursday. Then we can all praise or be pissed about what really went down. I think that the Clipper’s are fixed to make a trade somehow. I think there is a lot up Neil’s rookie sleeve.

by ChrisS.Oaks on Jun 23, 2010 1:54 AM PDT reply actions  

Good post

I agree that if AFA is off the board, then Hayward is likely the pick. I actually don’t even know if they’ll look at Monroe, but that would make sense to some extent.

I think in the end they’re definitely going to draft an SF. I’d be shocked if they went any other route.

I’m really hoping that AFA falls to us or some team makes us a great offer for the 8th pick. I’m not at all thrilled at the prospect of drafting any of the other guys with all their huge question marks and high bust potential. The Clips don’t exactly have the best track record taking risks on draft picks and this team can ill afford to draft another complete bust. Korolev was too much of a colossal failure and it wasn’t that long ago.

by madglove on Jun 23, 2010 1:57 AM PDT reply actions  

Agreed

The have such a massive need at SF (as you can’t guess the free agency stuff) that we need to take someone there. I like AFA but the constant reports of lack of shooting the 3 do worry me a bit.

Hayward has grown on me with his all around game and it’s become clear the Clippers like him. I certainly wouldn’t be disappointed with him but I just feel that we could maybe get him 2-4 picks later in the draft so it would definately be worth seeing if we could maybe get a 2nd round pick thrown in by allowing a team to move up a few places.

I saw the story yesterday about moving up 11 places in the 2nd round costing a team $2M so surely a move high up in the first is worth a lot more, such as a 2nd rounder and some cash.

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by ClippersUK on Jun 23, 2010 2:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't really agree

I still view the number 8 pick as a bench player until proven otherwise. Sure there is no starting SF at this point, but I don’t expect to draft a starting SF either. If AFA is good enough to win that job, then great, otherwise the team is still going to have to sign a starting SF.

If you view this as I do (that you are drafting a backup now who hopefully becomes a starter later) then you take the BPA. Sure, there is a starting Center now and no starting SF now. But by the time these guys are developed enough that they should be starters the situation for the Clippers could be much different.

by Michael White on Jun 23, 2010 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, yes we need to address the SF issue

this off season but there is no guarantee we are going to get a really good player to sign for us in that position. If we got AFA and they felt that he could start then throw him in.
Thornton and Gordon played well in their rookie years.

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by ClippersUK on Jun 23, 2010 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thornton and Gordon

also had a few months riding the pine and because they weren’t thrown in right away they are fine now.

BG might (or is at least more likely to) be able to handle starting right away

For best results, AFA should follow Thornton/Gordon’s suite of not starting at first. Feeling or not feeling, he’s got to prove he can be a starter before having it handed to him. He has to prove it by showing the staff and the fans “look at me rip it up coming off the bench, I’m an NBA player, I’m ready, start me”

by KidJustin on Jun 23, 2010 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, it is possible to start the rookie, but it not prudent considering free agency...

With say, Aminu, there may not be a real need to get a “really good player” at the SF slot (barring Lebron of course)…just one that can handle 30+ minutes without fouling out…which is something that rooks can have a problem with early on.

by banandy on Jun 23, 2010 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good point. I'm not confident of the LBJ sweepstakes and don't

want Joe Johnson but someone like Salmons or Mike Miller to play a bit of a swingman role might be nice and leave us some money to balance the roster out.

That way, they wouldn’t be commanding all the minutes, giving our new draft pick some decent minutes to develop.

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by ClippersUK on Jun 23, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Mike Miller would be a perfect signing

But alas, he wants to go ring hunting and sign with the Lakers.

Typical Clipper (well every bad team really) problem. You basically have to overpay for those type of guys.

by Michael White on Jun 23, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Miller too?

I just read that the Lakers want Raja Bell. Now it just sounds unfair. Win a championship and then add Mike Miller and Raja Bell?

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jun 23, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

They aren't going to be able to sign everyone!!!

I hope that he just wants out of really crap teams and to be in a contender and if he signs on for a 3/4 year deal with the Clippers, I’d hope we’d be a regular playoff team after next season. I’ve said that a few times before though!

Miller is not only a good defender and shooter but he’s an excellent rebounder also which could help cover for EJ’s lack of rebounding prowess.

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by ClippersUK on Jun 23, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's true- Lakers only have the MLE, so Miller may be on the short end there

I wouldn’t mind overpaying a little for him, and if Miller has a head on his shoulders, he’ll see our roster and give it some serious thought. It’s understandable that he should want to be on a winner. But whatever ever happened to “buy low, sell high”? Miller should want to be part of creating a winner.

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by SilverClip on Jun 23, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

You think that an athlete would gain

more from winning by being a part of creating a winning team rather than jumping on the winning bandwagon. But end of they day, they just want a ring.

Miller would be much better value than someone like Rudy Gay this offseason I think.

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by ClippersUK on Jun 23, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

not at all

I think Nate Robinson is a good example. He is a completely different player. He learned how to play winning basketball by jumping ontoa winning team. Hell, he did it in a couple months span

by bacek on Jun 23, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't say he learned how to play winning basketball

He was used sparingly by a winning team.

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by ClippersUK on Jun 23, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

You guys keep talking about how the 8th pick should be a bench player. Well Olshey specifically already said that you don’t draft 8 expecting a bench player. And second, there’s no guarantee at all that they’ll be able to find a starting SF through free agency or the draft.

You don’t completely ignore a need that way. If they can’t find someone they like at a reasonable contract, then at least they know that have an option in AFA. They can then better afford to just resign Butler and have AFA get big minutes.

But you draft a big, ignore the 3, and then what? If you strike out and all you do is resign Butler…who’s backing him up? Some D-Leaguer.

by madglove on Jun 23, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

If it was a bad draft then yep, maybe, the 8th would be a bench player

but I’d expect more myself. Considering EJ was the 7th pick, I’d expect someone who can contribute along the same level.

The only big I’d consider is Monroe (that could potentially fall to us). I’d rather we addressed the SF issue than going for Udoh though.

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by ClippersUK on Jun 23, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

I look at it this way

The draft is an investment for more than just next year obviously. If free agency doesn’t work out and we end up with Butler as the starting SF, that will be a problem. But that’s going to be a problem regardless of if you draft Aminu or not. If Aminu is the starting SF, I expect we will be getting sub-par production out of that position next year.

If you draft a big and ignore the 3, worst case scenario is a platoon of Rasual Butler and Outlaw. Its not good, but do you think (just next year) Aminu will give you more than those 2 anyway? You’re still better off than last year because you’ve upgraded your backup Center (from DJ to Monroe) and stayed the same at SF (assuming we call Thornton and Outlaw a wash.)

I disagree with Olshey. I expect a #8 is a reserve right off the bat. Hoping for more is nice, but it can’t be planned on.

by Michael White on Jun 23, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agree

You hope the rookie is a solid rotation player (plays solid minutes so he can improve, provides depth and some youthful energy) and anything beyond that is a huge plus.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jun 23, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree that it's an investment beyond next year

Which is why you take a guy who might start in a year or two. You take Greg Monroe. Barring a trade, he’s not starting for this team this year, next year or the year after that. AND you still have a huge hole at the SF slot.

I don’t think Olshey was saying you draft someone who will start from day 1. But that you draft someone who could conceivably start for you soon.

Now if we were talking about someone like Favors, who is far and away the better prospect, then you do it. That’s when you go BPA. But you don’t do BPA at all costs. Ford did that analysis and the answer is usually a combo of BPA vs. need.

Here, Monroe is a better prospect but not by much. It isn’t at all clear that Monroe will be a better pro. And in that case you absolutely have to consider need.

It doesn’t make sense to spend a lottery pick on a guy who clearly won’t start, and then force yourself into a situation where you’ve either doomed your lottery pick to be a bench player, or you have to trade Kaman and everyone knows it.

That kind of strategy is exactly what Kahn did in Minny and look where that got him.

by madglove on Jun 23, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kaman's not under contract for that much longer

Next year and the year after. Meaning Monroe could be a starter by the time he’s 22. He puts in 2 years behind Kaman (the same thing we just went through with DJ but this would work out better) and hopefully he’s a starter level by that point. Besides, isn’t the conventional logic that PG and C are the two toughest positions to fill? Finding wings is much easier than finding Centers or paying to re-sign Kaman who will be at the end of his useful life.

Drafting Monroe gives you a PF and Center combo that woudl hopefully be around for a while.

I do agree that its a fine line between the obvious BPA and basically a coin flip between two prospects (in this case Monroe and AFA.) If your position is they are close enough that you can afford to draft for need, I buy that.

by Michael White on Jun 23, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I understand the logic on this

and hate it because the win later thing has been going on in Clipperland for far too long.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jun 23, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Win later is one of the better options

There’s no such thing as “win now” unless we get Wade or Lebron. That’s it. No other move will be a “win now” move.

What’s worse, virtually every other move is a desperate gamble disguised as “win now.”

If they can’t get Wade or Lebron, every move should be to build a great team around Blake Griffin so that in 2-3 years we’re a solid playoff team only getting better. Follow the OKC/Kevin Durant model. The “win now” model is what Cleveland did with Lebron and that’s why they have no young talent and why Lebron is likely to leave.

by madglove on Jun 23, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh I agree

the win later approach is the way to go. It just incredibly frustrating because the win later part never seems to come for the Clippers. The Clippers one win now moment was the Sam Cassell and Cuttino Mobley off-season. The subsequent winters have been brutal.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jun 23, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Too bad b/c our PG sit is win now

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by Jax on Jun 23, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

It is a fine line

It’s not like I’m against Monroe. Though I have my doubts about him. I think he can be a decent starting center in this league. But I’ve followed him for the last couple of years at GTown and I’m not that impressed. He’s like a center version of Lamar Odumb. Tons of talent, not a great motor. He’ll never be a superstar in the league, but in the right situation, he can be a valuable role player.

I’d be fine with putting him next to Griffin. But I do think that AFA is almost as good a prospect, and has more upside. And given that we actually have a need at the 3, I think that’s the way to go.

Of course if the pick is Monroe vs. Hayward, then I go with Monroe. That’s where BPA outshines need.

by madglove on Jun 23, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know what you are saying and it obviously

depends on the strength of the team that an 8th pick SF would land on. We see ourselves probably with a better future than last years record suggests but if we had AFA and Butler as our SF combo next year then I would make sure that they were playing very similar minutes.

However, we are all hoping that we’ll address the SF in free agency but as we can’t guarantee that yet before the draft, we have to go for the draft for need, which luckily is likely to also be the best available at 8 (unless Monroe drops).

I’d be happy if we had a quality SF signing through free agency and we also drafted AFA and he came off the bench but for an 8th pick I’d expect someone who COULD start straight away.

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by ClippersUK on Jun 23, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey - we're picking eighth. Historically, lots of busts from that spot. I like our chances

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by Jax on Jun 23, 2010 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

C'mon Jax

Flick the optimism switch on pal, next years gonna be a good one

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by ClippersUK on Jun 23, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's on - my point is that it's ok to pick any of the others

We understand they can be busts.

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
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by Jax on Jun 23, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

The JOS

Love it when the Jax Optimism Switch is on. Hearing that Blake Griffin is playing basketball and at 100% made me think it might be worth driving by the Club, just to see if there’s a bunch of trash and junk out in front, a homeless Dunleavy hanging around perhaps. Hard to open the doors without a coach, even with the draft tomorrow. Not enough information from the front office. A solid pick would be nice, and a flurry of trades and some intriguing movement, a surprising player slipping to the Clips would be great. The Club is looking forward to a summer league opening, I would think, when some roster pieces should be in place, and there might even be a coach.

by citizen zhiv on Jun 23, 2010 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Monroe/AFA

I’d have to go w/ the BPA and put Monroe ahead of AFA of my draft board.

by supac on Jun 23, 2010 4:29 AM PDT reply actions  

Same here..

Mine would be:

1. Monroe
2. AFA
3. Babbitt
4. George

"look, you can find any coach you want, bring him in here and run the situation. But I don't think they are going to do as good a job as I do." -Mike Dunleavy Sr.

by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Jun 23, 2010 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is Paul George a clipper fan?

I read this somewhere. If he is, let’s draft Paul George. I just want to hear that someone is genuinely happy to be a clipper

by Qlippers on Jun 23, 2010 7:40 AM PDT reply actions  

He says he is

but he’s also a huge Kobe fan. That’s troubling!

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jun 23, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

well at least his POV on the clips is postive.

Many players would be depressed that the Clipper drafted them.

by Newton Pham on Jun 23, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

AFA would like the Clippers to pick him too

He cancelled his Detroit workout because he wants the Clippers to pick him. That’s a good sign but it’s also because he wants more playing time which is fine by me. AFA over George in my opinion.

by chrisd on Jun 23, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

My draft board

I’m all about the BPA, so I would have to take Monroe if he’s available.

1) Monroe
2) AFA
3) Babbitt

Of course, its not as though the Clippers will be in a position to choose either Monroe or AFA. I would take the one that falls, if neither do, I go with Babbitt. But I also don’t really care at that point. Do your best to trade down.

by Michael White on Jun 23, 2010 8:06 AM PDT reply actions  

I like Babbitt

He’s intriguing, especially combined with Griffin. Babbitt is something of a stretch four – great outside shooter, very good size. If we are to believe the stories of BG being able to defend threes, then Babbit and Griffin could be a good combo. On defense, they’re somewhat interchangeable, and maybe Griffin defends the quicker threes. On offense, they’re complementary, with Griffin inside and Babbitt outside.

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by Steve Perrin on Jun 23, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think the problem with this...

Is that both may be too slow to stay in front of quick 3’s.

I agree it is a pretty strong front court if this happens though.

by Newton Pham on Jun 23, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Don't know about that

What’s the difference between a stretch four and an SF who can shoot? Lefty Babbitt is quite impressive, but I was getting a hint of a Luke Jackson vibe off of him. Babbitt would complement the Clipper lineup quite well and he has a smooth shot with some range, but I think that the athleticism and rebounding card trumps his strengths, and I put AFA and Hayward ahead of him.

by citizen zhiv on Jun 23, 2010 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

This from Ford's TrueHoop post (last night, 10pm ET)
If the Kings take Cousins at 5, we’re left with an interesting scenario at No. 6 in Golden State. We’ve had Greg Monroe pegged there for a week, but after a poor workout, the Warriors are now leaning away from Monroe. A plugged in source tells us that Ekpe Udoh is now the favorite to land in Golden State if Cousins and Favors are off the board.

For one, it looks like Aminu is not even on the Warrior’s short list. If so, that might seal his availability at #8.

And then, Monroe may well slip to #7. I’d be pretty shocked if Detroit then opted for Davis, but you never know. The Clips could be faced with a difficult pass on a passing big.

But ultimately, I agree with SP’s draft board. I’ll be relieved when we really don’t have to choose among those 2nd tier wings. I’m thinking of AFA as a 3/4 backup next year, which is great to have even if we land a genuine starter in free agency.

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by SilverClip on Jun 23, 2010 9:00 AM PDT reply actions  

Wow

Taking Udoh over Monroe would be hilariously stupid.

by Michael White on Jun 23, 2010 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

not necessarily

guy did block a lot of shots, and is surprisingly above average offensively.

If a team is looking for defense it isn’t a bad choice. But the Warriors don’t really draft for defense which is most puzzling

by bacek on Jun 23, 2010 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wow, just how bad was this workout

I read somewhere he got played by Omar Samhan, a projected 2nd round pick-undrafted player. Samhan is a beast though, especially in a one on one setting.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jun 23, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, put Monroe in a one-on-one setting, and of course you take away his strength

Hard to believe anyone would pass him up for a 23 year old who happens to be a little more NBA ready.

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by SilverClip on Jun 23, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

In Hollinger's draft rater

Monroe = 14.39, the fourth highest out of everyone.
Udoh = ??? Somewhere in the 9’s, as I recall. In Hollinger’s mock, based on his ratings, Udoh didn’t even make the first round!

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by SilverClip on Jun 23, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Reverse Mojo in effect...

Roger Sterling: To my knees, Don. They're bringing to my knees!"

by Lawler's Law on Jun 23, 2010 9:21 AM PDT reply actions  

I didn't predict anything...

You can’t invoke the reverse mojo if I didn’t say anything.

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by Steve Perrin on Jun 23, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well hurry up and say something that we

can hang the reverse mojo on, Captain Steve

Bingo! Oh me oh my!

by ClippersUK on Jun 23, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Whatever the Warriors do, it will probably be the right move for them.

Look at all the talent Nellie has drafted over the years and has gotten out of the D League. The Clips should hire this guy as a special assistant for draft day. It shouldn’t be a huge conflict since the Warriors pick before the Clips. Seriously……

by Jerdog on Jun 23, 2010 10:20 AM PDT reply actions  

you are crazy, and completely misinformed

D-league players should not be starting

Outside of Monta and Curry the Warriors have drafted no one.

Biedrins is okay, but I am not sold on him.

Randolph hasn’t proven anything.

Wright hasn’t proven anything.

by bacek on Jun 23, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not enough bigs

Nellie’s recruiting out of the D League and elsewhere has been impressive when it comes to wings and scorers, but it has never translated into wins and his teams always have a substantial big man deficit. Gadzuric isn’t going to help that very much, and losing Maggs, who logged big minutes at PF, might be a help and give them flexibilty. GSW needs bangers and beef. Biedrens and Turiaf are good secondary pieces, but it would be a lot easier and better for them to err on the side of going for the best big man available.

by citizen zhiv on Jun 23, 2010 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wouldn't it be nice if free agency was before the draft :-)

That would make this so much easier. If say we got a Lebron, Rudy Gay, or JJ during free agency, then maybe we would be looking really hard at a back-up big (Monroe or Davis) or a back-up guard (Bledsoe or Henry).

by NBAFAN8 on Jun 23, 2010 10:26 AM PDT reply actions  

impossible

due to the salary cap hold. A team has the ability to trade out of the draft, thus create more cap room.

by bacek on Jun 23, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nice Draft Board, but Differ on Monroe

Way to lead the charge on AFA being the best available. I’m optimistic he’ll be a noticeably better player than Al Thornton, with plenty of potential for more if he develops an outside shot.

Monroe I’d have to stay away from, despite his solid body of work and name recognition. I don’t think the Clippers will touch this guy. His lack of enthusiasm for the game is a red flag and wont be welcomed on our team, especially considering our history of reluctant big men. i.e. Benoit Benjamin, Candy, and to a lesser extent, Wilcox. Really, at 6’ 11 you should be doing some major damage in college, and it’s not a good sign that he showed more flashes of brilliance in his freshmen year.

I’m thinking Hayward or Babbit is 2nd on our list, not sure which though. I’d prefer Hayward, as I think we really need some guys who can help us win close games with smarts and competitiveness.

For a 2nd rounder, i’m hoping Da’Shaun Butler will be available from West Virginia and that he’s on our radar. Never heard a more glowing review from a coach than Huggins gave Butler, and this was before the injury.

by ghost_ride on Jun 23, 2010 11:28 AM PDT reply actions  

I think that if the Clips

don’t get AFA, they may go for someone like George. They need a shooter with athleticism and upside and they might not think they need Hayward’s passing and rebounding given that they already have BG and Kaman. Babbitt is intriguing as well but he’s not quite as quick defensively (at least insofar as I understand it).

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by Jax on Jun 23, 2010 12:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Ford doesn't have George on the Clips' short list

which is kind of surprising, I’ll admit. Evidently, the Clips see something they don’t like. My impression is that George has a high ceiling but also a low floor. His lack of experience on a good team, where he has to work within a team concept, is a knock against him IMO. I might be persuaded otherwise, but he talks of stardom with inflated confidence, and that just makes me uncomfortable. How disillusioned is the guy going to be we he’s asked to play a roll and sacrifice his grand ambitions?

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by SilverClip on Jun 23, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree but I wonder how much of that

they care about. I wouldn’t take him. I just think that they very well could.

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
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by Jax on Jun 23, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kings will pick Cousins

If he falls of course. That’s the talk around the league right now according to Yahoo! and other sources.

by madglove on Jun 23, 2010 3:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Update from TrueHoop
According to sources the Warriors are intrigued with Udoh’s ability to be a game-changer more so than Monroe, especially on the defensive end. If Udoh does go No. 6 and Detroit goes with North Carolina’s Ed Davis, which is what those close to Davis and the league expect, then the Los Angeles Clippers would have a tough decision at No. 8. According to a source close to the situation, the Clippers would have a hard time deciding between Monroe or Wake Forest’s Al-Farouq Aminu. If the Clippers go with Aminu then Monroe becomes the first slider in the lottery, likely landing at No. 9 Utah unless Detroit changes direction and goes with Monroe over Davis.

"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT

by SilverClip on Jun 23, 2010 9:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Whoa

Could Monroe AND AFA really be available?

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jun 24, 2010 12:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

If Monroe is available, Clippers better take him!

"look, you can find any coach you want, bring him in here and run the situation. But I don't think they are going to do as good a job as I do." -Mike Dunleavy Sr.

by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Jun 24, 2010 2:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Clippers take Paul George

Aminu is a just a leaper with no outside game. . . How is he going to be able to play the SF position. . . Paul George FTW

by SeanMillerSavior on Jun 23, 2010 11:25 PM PDT reply actions  

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