Random Thoughts the Day After the Draft
Some random thoughts after draft day and before I turn my attention to my J-school assignment and USA-Ghana tomorrow.
I'm not a big fan of draft grades since the idea of assigning grades before anyone has played a game is ludicrous. Someone go back and check what they said about Houston's first round selection of Aaron Brooks a few years back. The other thing I find interesting about draft grades is the pre-destined nature of it. "San Antonio always nails the draft, so even though I don't like James Anderson and I've never heard of this second round pick guy, they get an A." "Eric Bledsoe is great, but Sam Presti never misses, so he must not be as great as I thought." Anyway, having said that, the Clippers are receiving some good grades for their efforts. The lowest I saw was a B+ from Kelly Dwyer at BDL.
- Ball Don't Lie - B+
- NBA FanHouse - A
- CBSSports - A
- Chad Ford, ESPN - A
- NBADraft.net - A-
The best quote from the grades comes from FanHouse's Tom Ziller: "That, my friends, is a good draft. It might take a few years to develop, but Holy Talent, Batman."
The sequence of the draft was pretty much as expected. The Warriors were the real wild card since they can be so unpredictable, but when they took Udoh, then the Clippers brass breathed a sigh of relief and knew they'd get one of their guys. Neil Olshey mentioned three players they wanted in his press conference - I know that Al-Farouq Aminu and Greg Monroe were two of them. I assume the third was Wesley Johnson.
Building on that, when the Clippers say that AFA was first on their draft board, that of course refers to a board built based on players that they thought COULD fall to them. Had John Wall dropped for some strange reason, of course they would have taken him. But essentially, there were seven guys the Clippers would have been thrilled to get, and they were picking eighth, so it could have been a very disappointing day for them had the first seven picks fallen a certain way. Neil and Andy need to send a "Thank You" note to the Warriors front office. It's just the polite thing to do.
Had the draft gone wrong and had those seven players been off the board, they were looking to trade down and secure another asset, as we suspected. However, given that Hayward, George and Henry went 9, 10 and 12, they couldn't have traded down too far if those were there guys. They likely would have ended up with Luke Babbitt and a little something-something extra, which would not have been bad.
Speaking of Hayward, George and Henry, it's interesting how this draft turned out to have so many wings in the lottery. Two months ago, we thought there were no good options after Johnson and AFA. Of course, as with grades we won't really know about this small forward crop until they've played a few years, but based on what NBA GMs decided on Thursday, it looks like the Clippers were relatively lucky to be in need of a small forward in a draft that ended up having quite a few prospects. If you count Evan Turner and Xavier Henry, there were six wings in the top 12 picks, and Babbitt went 16.
It was not, however a strong draft for point guards. After a bumper crop last year, there were only two taken in this year's first round, and only three total (four if you count Willie Warren as a point guard, which I don't). That's amazing, out of sixty players.
If you think about it, the Clippers went into the draft with lots of needs, but the biggest were small forward and point guard. They ended up with the second best small forward in the draft, and the second best point guard in the draft, according to most experts. That's not bad. Then again, it's not saying much to be the second best point guard in this draft.
Here are a couple of money quotes from the press conference, both from Andy Roeser:
The way we're constituted now suggests that we will be a more uptempo team than we have been.
I think by the time we get into free agency we'll have our coaching situation resolved.
Then again, none of the coaches rumored to be on the team's short list (Mike Woodson, Dwane Casey, Vinny Del Negro, Kevin McHale) are noted speed demons. Del Negro's Bulls played at a pace slightly faster than the league average last year; Woodson's Hawks played at the fourth slowest pace in the league, which is strange considering the athletes he had in the ATL. Casey is a defense-first guy, and McHale just looks slow. Will the personnel inform the coaching search? We'll see.
Now that the draft is done, there may be an opportunity to snap up some of the undrafted guys and put them on the summer league roster. The Clippers, with so few players under contract, might be an attractive desitination for some of these guys (then again there are a few teams out there with pretty bare cupboards right now; Chicago and Miami are doing their best to get down to zero players under contract). My pick Alexey Shved is out there (Jonathon Givony of DraftExpress tweeted that he didn't want to get drafted, preferring to be a free agent). Mikhail Torrance is out there - apparently there was a medical concern over a heart condition with him, again according to Givony. If you're concerned about the Clippers lack of size in the backcourt, either of those 6'5" point guards might be good additions. Jerome Randle has already been signed by the Wizards, so these guys are going to be going fast at this point.
Last thought for now: in many sporting competitions, there are age classifications. So for instance, Gordon Hayward competed for the US in the Under 19 championships last summer. FIFA takes these things a little further and also has a U-23 level of competition in soccer. Well, the Clippers could field an entire U-23 basketball team at this point, and could do it for awhile.
- Point Guard - Eric Bledsoe - 19, born 10/23/1990
- Shooting Guard - Eric Gordon - 21, born 12/25/1988
- Small Foward - Al-Farouq Aminu - 19, born 09/21/1990
- Power Forward - Blake Griffin - 21, born 03/16/1989
- Center - DeAndre Jordan - 21, born 07/21/1988
They even have a backup at the guard spots in Willie Warren (20, born 10/22/1989). If Warren makes the team, DeAndre Jordan will be older than five of his teammates. How weird (and sure, scary) is that?
I'll tell you this: Summer League got a lot more interesting yesterday.
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It's amazing that people born in the 90's are walking and talking
let alone playing in the NBA.
Aging is a bummer.
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
"Smart dudes that know the game of basketball."
Make that the new Clipsnation line!
by Regulan on Jun 25, 2010 1:05 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Did I miss something
Where did “Smart dudes that know the game of basketball” come from?
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Jun 25, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Aminu said it
When they were interviewing him after he got drafted. He said he talked to the team and they’ve got “smart dudes that know the game of basketball” or something like that.
Awesome.
Straight to the masthead. We’re ready for a change.
by citizen zhiv on Jun 25, 2010 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks Steve.
I couldn’t agree more with the assigning of grades. So many fail that it’s ludicrous to give a grade. Also, when it’s a relatively shallow talent pool like this year, do you grade on a curve? I understand people’s excitement for the draft, but let’s wait 3-4-5 years to see how they pan out. Virtually every team is pleased with the guys they get, just like every top college football team loves their recruits each year and every NFL fan thinks they got a steal in the 5th round. Let’s wait and see how they pan out and complement each other first. Last night could be a step in the right direction, but adding even more youth to an already super young team lacking a strong veteran presence (don’t even think about Baron) can lead to problems.
Interesting about the up-tempo plan, which Kim Hughes tried to implement upon being hired (albeit at mid-season). He said the guys they had weren’t capable of playing up-tempo. The changes I see are a healthy Griffin, who can likely play a fast break game. Thornton was still there initially for Hughes, a more up-tempo player than AFA. While he can run the wings, I didn’t see the handle of an NBA 3 man in AFA. I also don’t think Gordon is strong in the open court, with his decision making and handle either. Baron loves the break, but he seems to have slowed noticeably over the course of a season and is prone to injuries. For a 5, Kaman runs the floor quite well but he is never in the best of shape over the course of a season.
The point is that almost every new coach says he wants to have a running team to excite the fan base, just like every new football defensive coordinator says he is implementing a new, attacking, fast style of d. It sounds good, but you need the players who can do so. The fact that the team is so young does not make them necessarily a running team.
RE: Running Game
I complete agree. I found Hughes laughable when he pandered last season and said that under his regime they would push the ball and run uptemp. Then there’s the definition of what it means to “run” and who is best suited for it. People who want to run also wanted to crucify Al Thornton last year, who you correctly note was one of the best suited for it. You are also on point with Baron. GSW was a few years ago now, and when he hit his stride last year he was playing (under Dunleavy) the half court game with Kaman. He didn’t exactly shine under Hughes, but then again nobody did and the season was already over.
My thoughts. Sure, play some defense and if you get a fast break go for it. But don’t get crazy. Running in and of itself is not a strategy, and smart half court game planning needs to be the norm. Even if the Clips abandon the ISO heavy half court game plans from the MDsr years, different half court systems (if not necessarily strick playcalling) should be looked at.
by Michael White on Jun 25, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Faster tempo arises organically from better rebounding.
If we improve our rebounding (which is certainly seems we will with the arrivals of AFA and BG), a faster tempo and more possessions will inevitably follow. I don’t think the change in strategy (or coaching) has to be anything more sophisticated than that.
"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein
by Another son of Mike Smith on Jun 25, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
when I hear them say they are looking for a coach to play uptempo, it kind of worries me. I’d rather have a coach that is versatile and can run a system best suited for his players. Saying uptempo coach makes it sound like they want to run for the sake of running.
There are too many unknowns right now to say we SHOULD be an uptempo team. Yes we have young guys, that CAN run, but I want to see how they can pass, make quick judgment calls, and make the right plays. I think we were just so sick of MDSr.’s rigid iso offense, we immediately want to go the complete opposite route.
On Kim Hughes
The way you’re characterizing the Kim Hughes era isn’t really accurate. You’re implying that Hughes said they simply didn’t have the talent or physical ability to play up-tempo. But what he really said was that they weren’t in shape to play up-tempo. Which speaks to the players being in mediocre shape.
Plus, you can’t run when the team plays horrible defense and the ball is going through the net for the other team every time. The problem with the second half of last season was that everyone knew the season was over and that Hughes was nothing more than an interim coach so they simply weren’t playing hard on defense for him. You don’t play defense, you can’t run.
I agree that you can’t run all the time regardless, but I think the team can look for more fast breaking opportunities than they did under Dunleavy.
I think it was more of a playmaking problem
We didn’t have enough playmakers last year, and I’m not sure we do this year
"Smart dudes that know the game of basketball." - Al-Farouq Aminu referring to his new teammates
Thank you.
Getting stops (rebounds, blocks) and forcing turnovers are what is going to be the driving force of whether this team runs or not. If we can’t stop anybody, there’s not much use in running. Everybody was focused on running and a uptempo game, from Baron on to the fans. We pressure the ball and play cohesive team defense, then the wins and exciting uptempo basketball can be a reality. The game against Memphis where we had the late 4th quarter comeback is just an example of how well a team can play and the odds they can overcome when they are on the same page defensively.
by Lawler 4ever on Jun 25, 2010 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Draft grades...
Every front office drafts who they think is the right guy to draft in that situation, by definition. Therefore, every front office thinks they had a great draft.
There’s also luck involved (good and bad). Greg Oden was the first overall and has played 1/3 of the games since being drafted. Does Portland get an A or an F for drafting him? If grades are the analogy, it would be a little like failing college and spending the rest of your life washing dishes because got sick during finals week.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Jun 25, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
i think they get a D
not neccesary because of the injuries but because of how durant turned out
I know the perfect coach for us if we want to run and gun: Mike D'Antoni
Haha, that’d be so messed up but pretty awesome for us to actively pursue him as soon as early July comes around and the Knicks realize they can’t get anybody good!
Question
I heard the pick we traded to OKC was protected. Has anybody heard what exactly the Clips sent them?
It’s, probably, something along the lines of what MIN sent to us in terms of protection guidelines.
Twitter: @FlyByKnite
I think assigning grades is brilliant
How better to enforce the conventional wisdom than how we first do to children?
Case in point: Chad Ford giving Detroit an A+ for the Darko draft because he himself was high on Darko before the draft. Pick who the draft guys want you to pick and you get a high grade.
See also Cleveland’s A-.
Another concern: Is AFA a tweener forward because he isn’t good enough to play either position?
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
I agree with John R - AFA sucks and was a horrible pick
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Actually it was probably the right pick
The question is, the right pick for what?
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
I think you need to let the AFA thing play out
by Michael White on Jun 25, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Unbridled optimism in the face of significant evidence to the contrary = appropriate
Well we might have redrafted Al Thornton = let it play out?
I want it to work, but I’m not optimistic.
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
Nothing has happened yet. I’m all for blasting the players who underperform once we have evidence of such, but what you’re doing is hypocritical. You mock Ford for printing a draft day grading yet you have no problem evaluating AFA before he’s even suited up for summer league.
I don’t mean this to stifle conversation, though. If the Clippers choose to not actively pursue a FA small forward because they think they’re set because of Aminu, I’ll join you in pointing out his flaws. As of now, he’s a 19 year old SF with a good body, seems to be a good rebounder, a decent enough defender. He’s picked at 8 not 3 or 4. His descriptions seems adequate enough for a backup SF role next year, so what’s your beef?
by Michael White on Jun 25, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree completely
as Steve pointed out: AFA was the best available and filled a need at SF. You just can’t be mad with this pick IMO.
I am also ok with giving away a future protected first rounder b/c i think we have enough young talent for now and i think its time to start looking for some veterans
Enter: Free Agency
+1
since griffin hasn’t played a game yet either, he’ll probably not live up to the hype either. I know clipper fans are notorious for hyping up all their young players (I think i heard someone say willie warren is going to be the next dwayne wade already HAHA) but for all drafts across all sports, it’s a big guessing game. Sure some players are more polished vs. some having bigger upsides, but it’s all just a guess.
Griffin was the wrong pick
He hadn’t played an NBA game yet so he’s completely unprove.
Don’t we want a proven player?
Oh, wait.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
If Willie Warren becomes the next DWade
I’ll name all my future children some form of Willie. Like George Foreman did.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jun 25, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
If Willie Warren is half as good as DWade
I will be pleased
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
I won’t compare AFA to thornton, cause I’m tired of that arguement, but as far as thornton being the “bust”, I think teams are still letting al thornton play it out. I think in the right system and knowing his strengths and weaknesses, he can still be a pretty solid contributor off the bench. At the end of the lottery, to get a solid role player you should be pretty happy, and I think he can still be that.
We’ll see if he can change some of his bad habits under a different coach. I’m thinking all the iso and trying to break his man down 1-1 may be a result of some bad MDSr coaching habits, and expecting him to be a focus of the offense. Maybe he’s too “old” to learn new tricks, but I’ll still be rooting for thornton to have a successful career.
AFA
Is a big body 3, who should be able to match up defensively better than any 3 we’ve had in a while, ditto on rebounding and he obviiosly wont kill you running the break. We’ll see what magic Fred Vinison can work with his shot.
it’s weird how people that can play the the 3 or 4 are given this negative connotation term “tweener”, when “wings”, “combo guards”, “big men”, aren’t. Sure there have been very few cases when someone can successfully play the 3 and 4, but with 3’s in the league as big as LBJ, Melo, PP, having someone with 3 speed, and 4 size for defense purposes sounds good to me.
Plus can match up with the Rashards, Jeff Greens, Odoms of the league better than let say someone like camby at the 4 should we choose to match up, maybe to back up griffin. I’m usually in the boat to not match up and make those guys defend a big 4, but that’s the coach’s decision.
All of those other players you mentioned
Can shoot.
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
??
yes, which is why we need to defend them. I was just talking defense. I don’t know anything about AFA’s offense, and really at this point I don’t think there is much to talk about. I hope it’s to the point that it’s reliable enough that people won’t sag off him, but i don’t think we drafted him to be the focus of the offense.
A lot of these young guys can't shoot coming in
Shawn Marion has a really ugly form and had limited range coming into the NBA. He was 25-104 his first two years and then turned himself into a good three point shooter. Can Aminu show the same progress? I can’t see why not, if all he needs to do it work on spot on threes in the corner he can eventually get there. He won’t become Ray Allen but if he can get into the 33-35% range shooting wide open 3s that should be enough to keep defenses honest right? In the meantime we will have to settle for him making energy plays, his hustle stats (offensive rebounds, blocks and steals) are pretty impressive.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jun 25, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Scottie Pippen
What did Scottie Pippen’s shot look like when he was 19? I’m guessing it was ugly. And he didn’t lead the ACC in rebounding either.
by citizen zhiv on Jun 25, 2010 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Hard to lead the ACC in rebounding when you don’t even play in the conference, though.
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by FlyByKnight on Jun 25, 2010 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions
By the way, Pippen averaged 23.6 points, 10.0 rebounds, 4.3 assists, 3.1 steals, and shot 59/57/72 the year he was drafted.
He averaged 17.2 points, 8.1 rebounds, 2.7 assists, 2.1 steals, and shot 56.3% from the field during his college career. Guy could do it all.
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by FlyByKnight on Jun 25, 2010 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions
But you're leaving out a lot
Scottie Pippen was a 6’1" walk-on at Central Arkansas. His freshman stats included 4.3 PPG, 3.0 RB and 0.7 AST. There’s probably never been a more unlikely NBA star than Pippen.
I believe Zhiv’s point was that Aminu has a very real chance to improve on his weaknesses and become a solid NBA SF. Pippen’s career would be a good model for Aminu to follow even if he’s not likely to quite measure up to Pippen’s success.
AFA sucks? How come? What did he do?
Tweener forward? Since when is 6’9" tweener? Should he be 7’2" instead? Would that make him better?
He is skinny…should he be fat? Would that make him better? Or maybe lift some weights with Chris Kaman? Now there’s a big, strong fella!
How old is he? 55? 60? Or 19? Because if he is still young then he might have some upside.
Does he have a brain?
I know he went to college, so he can’t be stupid and have no capacity to learn anything new because his hard drive is full…….could he?
He can’t shoot from the outside….oh, OK…..then he must be horrible, I mean, he can’t learn how to shoot from the outside at 19, can he? Is he too old?
He only drives with his right…..oh, no! This gets worse and worse! No way he could ever use his left arm……does he even have a left arm???
Wow, what have the Clippers done, man?
AFA-WTF???
Chupa! Chupa!
by DonaldSterlingSucks on Jun 25, 2010 2:08 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
He has potential, and noone can take that away from him
Wouldn’t it be better to get a player who is already good?
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
LOL
He wants LBJ. He’s already good. Right?
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Maybe, but can LBJ shoot?
The jury’s still out on that one.
by ghost_ride on Jun 25, 2010 2:58 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Good point
Kobe?
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Lebron can shoot
33.3% from deep doesn’t sound impressive but you have to remember guys like him and Kobe shoot a lot more contested shots. They aren’t being set up by their teammates for wide open looks. No team is leaving those guys wide open that’s for sure.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jun 25, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Right, right
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
He won't say
Here’s the backstory – John R thought ditching MDSr was a bad idea.
So if the team’s successful now, he will be proven wrong. That’s why he’s such a naysayer in a situation where the GM obviously made competent decisions.
Whatever. At least we know where he stands now.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Correction
He didn’t think it was a bad idea. He just didn’t think it was a cure-all. And it wasn’t.
The interesting thing is that the esteemed John R was the major QRoss supporter back in the days of the Maggettifesto, when it was obvious that Maggs should be the starter in the benighted (like all of them ) 06-07 season. But now he’s skeptical about Aminu, who is the bigger badder rebounding QRoss, and he wanted us to draft MDJr. or Luke Jackson.
by citizen zhiv on Jun 25, 2010 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I beg to differ
He thought that getting rid of MDSr destroyed what he believed was the only discipline or real basketball acumen the team had. He thoought that they would go back to pre-MDSr days if he left. He’d rather have mediocrity then strive to get better. He didn’t trust DTS. He was scared to allow the team to grow.
His real beef is not the pick but rather that Olshey appears to have done well in his first post-MDSr task.
Not sure Aminu is a defenisve specialisty – I htink he’s just a raw young talent. We’ll see.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
If I understand correctly...
On draft day, when I asked him that question, John replied “noone.” I took that as: we should have traded down with the pick and gotten a proven asset. That’s a very valid point of view, and if we fail to get a max free agent, we could end up being that team with a bunch of holes in our roster, filled with mediocrity.
If we played the field like OKC, we could have guaranteed ourselves a roster made up of salary-dumped players who are still in top form (Heinrich or Cook, as recent examples). That said, I still very much like AFA, and I think, given our strategy in this draft, we couldn’t have played it any better. The question, then, is whether we chose the correct strategy or not.
So he's saying - ditch the LBJ route
But we still have tons of cash to spend on an FA and we can see if we can develop someone too.
But I haven’t seen his actual response.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Potential vs. 'Already good'
He led the ACC in rebounding and scored almost 16 per game to boot. This isn’t Daniel Orton, 3 points 3 rebounds or even Tyrus Thomas. He produced at a top program. Obviously the shooting percentage is a concern, and I have my doubts as I’ve said. But I don’t think you can pass him up.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Jun 25, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
John R has to be advocating trading the pick
Looking at the picks that followed Aminu none of them stand out as being particularly NBA ready either.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jun 25, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
maybe it is based on WIN scores
College players don’t have them so he can’t approve.
Seriously he ought not criticize without telling us who he thinks should have been taken. Otherwise his comments are just MDSr sour grapes.
The argument about trading for a vet makes no sense bc we can sign a few with the capspace Olshey got us.
JR aint got nothin
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jun 25, 2010 6:14 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
maybe it is based on WIN scores
College players don’t have them so he can’t approve.
Seriously he ought not criticize without telling us who he thinks should have been taken. Otherwise his comments are just MDSr sour grapes.
The argument about trading for a vet makes no sense bc we can sign a few with the capspace Olshey got us.
JR aint got nothin
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jun 25, 2010 6:14 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
No right hand
My favorite thing was Bilas on ESPN making a big point about him only going to his right as they had footage of him making a hoop with his left hand.
by citizen zhiv on Jun 25, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
haha
Like how he said he has a problem with his motor? But you know…excels at stuff that guys with good motors excel at?
That pissed me off
Knock the shooting or handle, but that comment was ridiculous.
by ghost_ride on Jun 25, 2010 3:36 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm not usually sensitve to these things
I mean, broadcasters can say what they want, and I’m sure that they will. But I couldn’t help getting the feeling that they were dogging on AFA in good part because the Clips drafted him. I mean, until yesterday, who has ever questioned the guy’s motor? He a rebounding, loose ball, defensive and fast breaking animal, no? I wonder how much worse Hayward would have suddenly become, has he been our guy.
"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT
Right
This highlights why it’s such a big moment for our organization right now. Despite the improvements to our roster the jokes and comments are getting worse and increasing in frequency. It’s really time for us to step up, and yesterday was a good start.
by ghost_ride on Jun 25, 2010 3:50 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I noticed that
Yes, good point, exactly right: the comments and jokes are getting worse and increasing in frequency. The uncannily untimely Blake Griffin #1 pick injury in the last game of the preseason made things a lot worse, and promoted the conspiracy theories.
by citizen zhiv on Jun 25, 2010 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Great point on Hayward
That’s exactly right. If the Clips had drafted him, we would have heard about how “it’s the Clippers,” and he can’t defend, his shooting is suspect, and he’s not athletic enough. Utah drafts him and it’s all about how he’s going to be a great fit in their system.
by citizen zhiv on Jun 25, 2010 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Speaking Of Summer League
Since Kim Hughes’ contract expires this month, who will be coaching these young prospects in Vegas?
Good question
But if they are really on a timeline to have a coach hired for free agency, then it will be his call. Usually new coaches bring with them new staffs, and one of his assistants will be the SL coach. Could be Lucas or Brown, I suppose.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Jun 25, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Any body hear if?
I have a friend that works in the clippers office who mentioned to me that Donald sterling
was personally flying to cleveland with Neil on July 1 to try to bring Lebron to the Clippers.
Now if this is true , is he going there to offer Lebron anything he wants. I hope its to say
that he’s not the bad man that everyone say he is. Maybe he’s going to give him a part of
the team for after he retires.
I thought Lebron was going to be in New York for dinner with the Knicks
As soon as FA starts
"Smart dudes that know the game of basketball." - Al-Farouq Aminu referring to his new teammates
Dinner...
teams will be waiting on his doorstep at 12:00am, he can fly to NY in the afternoon and still make dinner.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jun 25, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
If the team wants to sign Lebron James
then it might be wise to keep Sterling as far away from James as possible, assuming he’d give it any serious consideration to begin with.
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If possible, you send DTS
There should only be one thing concerning Lebron about the Clips and that’s the owner. He’s likely well aware who plays here, what the talent looks like, how great it would be to live and be rich in LA, etc. You don’ t need to sell Los Angeles, and you don’t even need to sell the talent of the Clips.
What you do need to do is quell fears of the worst owner in sports. So if DTS is willing to travel to meet face to face with Lebron, sit down with him and sell him on the idea that he’s not as bad as everyone makes him out to be and in fact he’s committed to winning…that will be the only thing that actually gives the Clips a real shot.
Can't we send a stunt double or something instead?
by Lawler 4ever on Jun 25, 2010 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions
What if we try the final scene from Seven
Have Andy Roeser take Lebron out to a deserted field out in nowhere and have a FedEx guy deliver a box….
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jun 25, 2010 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmm
Why would Lebron shoot Roeser, he’d probably give him a hug.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jun 28, 2010 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Send David Geffen
Geffen sits down with World Wide Wes. CAA is a big player in this now, apparently. That’s where WWW works, as an agent for coaches. Great article on this on TrueHoop, by HAbbott, employer of our friend KA. If the Clips hire a WWW coach that would be a very good sign. That’s actually good for the Clips, an LA-based organization that doesn’t have any especially strong Laker ties.
CAA doesn’t represent Jack Nicholson.
by citizen zhiv on Jun 25, 2010 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed. Send DTS
and Olshey too. Let Olshey do most of the talking, with Donald right next to him. The point is that Lebron has to believe what he hears. And look, if Lebron comes aboard, we won’t have any trouble signing good talent at reasonable prices. As long as we communicate that we’re committed to the course, and to resigning most of our present talent, then I think we’re in good shape. It’s not a bad idea to include a graph of anticipated expenses over the next several years. We should to aim to look transparent, without the frills.
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He can't make that kind of deal
not formally anyways and if the league front office finds out the team will get into trouble (like Minnesota with Joe Smith). I think the team should be sending out Baron, EJ, BG and Kaman with a giant cardboard cut-out of Lebron… maybe they should bring the cut-out around various famous places in LA and take pictures with it. Anyways… don’t have much faith in DTS selling Lebron on the Clippers.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jun 25, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I watched the press conference about Bledsoe (It's on the Clippers website)
Olshey said Bledsoe was on their radar at 8 – that’s how high they valued him.
He also said that after the 14th pick, they were calling picks 16-20 like crazy, and OKC was the first to jump on it.
"Smart dudes that know the game of basketball." - Al-Farouq Aminu referring to his new teammates
Getting both guys you want in Rd 1 should generally be considered a success
provided that the players are respectable.
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
They couldn't take him earlier
Otherwise it would have messed up their ability to make a max offer to a free agent. It was a complicated, intricate move to get Bledsoe, nicely played.
by citizen zhiv on Jun 25, 2010 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
"We had him 8 on our board"
You have to remember that their board started with AFA at 1. That is to say, some guys weren’t on it at all, based on the assumption that there was no way they’d be available. I don’t know for sure, but there were four or five of those guys that would have been ahead of AFA, but there was no point in listing them.
So when he says Bledsoe was on their board at 8, it means they thought he was the 12th or 13th best talent in the draft. Of course, that’s still great value at 18 (and Zhiv is precisely correct that they could not take him any higher than 18 – this was a precision strike).
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by Steve Perrin on Jun 26, 2010 1:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Do teams ever reveal their boards later?
Like, after 50 years, does it enter the public domain?
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Pincus seems to report differently
Not that I’m inclined to believe him over you Steve. But according to his latest article, he says that they targeted 3 guys at 8 – AFA, Bledsoe and Monroe. And when Bledsoe hadn’t gone by 15, they started making calls.
Does he have his facts wrong?
Is there any confirmation on what the clips traded for Bledsoe?
Ric Bucher is making the circuit and telling everyone that clippers traded a first round pick that is no longer protected in 2012, is this true?
In the video, I think it was Steve who asked was it our pick or Minny's?
Olshey replied saying that “it is a little more complicated than that.” I’m thinking that it could be the lower of our two 1st round picks in 2012. Whatever the situation is, I hope that we are a playoff team when OKC receives the pick.
by Lawler 4ever on Jun 25, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
That was me...
We’ll get some clarity on that at some point. I haven’t seen what Bucher is saying. When I asked Olshey about the Minny pick, you can see from his reaction that I hit on something there. “It’s more complicated than that.” So let’s take Bucher’s comment and Olshey’s comment and try to make sense of them. What if the Clippers told the Thunder they could have the LOWER of their two 2012 picks? It’s kind of a win-win. If both teams (LAC and MIN) suck, then the Clippers and the Thunder both get great 2012 picks. If only one team sucks, then the Clippers are in the lottery and the Thunder aren’t. I don’t know that this is the story, but it’s a way that both Olshey (who insisted that the pick is well protected) and Bucher could be correct. Technically, the Thunder would have an unprotected 2012 pick – but the Clippers still have some protection, especially since the Minny pick (coming from the long ago Jaric-Cassell trade) is essentially found money at this point.
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by Steve Perrin on Jun 26, 2010 1:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Just out of curiosity...
What was Bucher’s exact wording?
by Lawler 4ever on Jun 26, 2010 1:34 AM PDT up reply actions
I would like this deal
We may not want to offer two guaranteed contracts at that point anyway. If we have the better of the two picks, then that’s probably enough.
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the Clips
Won’t be in the lottery next year, or any time soon after that, so it doesn’t matter. They can have it.
Bledsoe will be good, and he’ll be really good when BDavis is finishing up his deal.
by citizen zhiv on Jun 25, 2010 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Zhiv Zhiv Zhiv Zhiv Zhiv
Why are you tempting the fates this way? I would think a nice Jewish boy like you would know better than to boast in this way. As Golda said to Tseitel, “do you want to tempt the evil eye?” and then she spits on her fingers, which I always found a little unsanitary since she was preparing the sabbath meal at the time.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Jun 26, 2010 1:07 AM PDT up reply actions
My bad
Getting way ahead of myself there.
How do I rephrase? The Clips…couldn’t possibly enjoy the kind of good fortune where they might miss the lottery next year and in years to come. But we have to take it as it comes, and accept our fate with humility.
That evil eye sure likes to look at the Clippers, doesn’t it.
by citizen zhiv on Jun 26, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I know that it isn't a game like situation, but Aminu was hitting almost all his shots in this workout.
And I remember how people were drooling over Babbitt because of his combine shooting percentages. Well, this is pretty much like a combine workout and Aminu was shooting pretty well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEoiwynvx-c
And if what he says is true (working out 3 hours a day in the morning and coming back another few hours later in the day) to work on his shot and handling, it seems like he has the work ethic to overcome his weaknesses.
And this was months ago, so he could’ve really cleaned up some stuff on his jumper this whole time.
by baron_davis needs a fro on Jun 25, 2010 4:08 PM PDT reply actions
I feel like BG will help with that too.
The guy has such a strong work ethic, I remember last summer they were talking about how it inspired the rest of the guys.
How do you think info came about?
Interviewer: Say Baron, are you inspired playing alongside Blake Griffin?
Baron: Absolutely, it’s very inspiring. He’s a hard worker, and one heck of a basketball player. Great guy to have on the team.
by Michael White on Jun 25, 2010 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
It wasn't just through the media though
DJ was tweeting and blogging about it too. I’m pretty sure the only thing Baron is inspired by is his pal Jessica Alba. She sure inspires me.
Watched Sin City last week
Visually fascinating movie. And Jessica Alba is WHITE HOT in it.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Jun 26, 2010 1:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Did you watch it on HDNET?
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by FlyByKnight on Jun 26, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Manning was far more skilled
Danny Manning was one of the best college players ever. He overcame a serious knee injury (especially back then) and still made the all-star team twice.
Sad Clipper fact, he was the last Clipper to actually be drafted by the Clippers to make the all-star team until Chris Kaman made it this year. That’s a lot of draft picks before we got a home-grown all-star.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jun 25, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Ahh looks wise
yea… his head is kind of the same shape.
I think if Danny Manning and Dwight Howard had a love child it would look like Aminu.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jun 25, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
That's quite an upside
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
Aminu said the first thing he's gonna buy is a 3D TV
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDyRxn0DGhI
"Smart dudes that know the game of basketball." - Al-Farouq Aminu referring to his new teammates
I was actually gonna buy that Samsung 40" 3DTV about two months ago. I just didn’t think it was prudent. Oh how wrong I was.
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