A Seat at the Table
This is looking like a busy week or so for the Clippers.
Andy Roeser and Neil Olshey worked overtime during the draft yesterday, getting NBA approval of the trade for Eric Bledsoe around 9 PM, about five hours after the draft started. And then they immediately turned their attention to two other pressing matters - the hiring of a coach, and the wooing of a free agent.
Kevin Arnovitz has the story on coaches today, reporting that the Clippers are looking at two finalists for their job: Duane Casey, a Dallas assistant and former Minnesota head coach, and Vinny Del Negro, the recently fired head coach of the Bulls. The plan is to have each of them in for face to face discussions early next week, and they'll need to make a decision right away if they're to stick to the timeline they laid out at the draft Thursday night, which was to have a coach in place by the start of free agency next Thursday. Presumably, they'll want to have their new guy along for the ride when they head off to Akron to grovel before the king meet with LeBron James.
Because, in case you hadn't heard, there is no longer going to be a LeBron world tour. They canceled that. And for the noblest of reasons.
It's believed that James -- who is the face of this historic free-agent class -- wants to keep the focus on basketball and believes hosting teams in Ohio can prevent the recruitment process from turning into a spectacle.
By all means. FSM forbid that this process turn into a spectacle. It's all about focusing on the basketball of course. Nothing to do with exercising power over these guys by making them come to him, by playing the game on his home court as it were.
Of course, the Knicks had to cancel the big party they had planned for LeBron. And that guy they hired two years ago, the one whose job it is to make an impression on LeBron when he comes to town, I guess they kind of wasted that money.
Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports is reporting that there will be six teams invited to pitch his royal free agentness: the incumbent Cavaliers plus Chicago, Miami, New York, New Jersey and the Clippers. The Clippers are widely considered to be the longest of long shots in this process, to the point that ESPN effectively ignores their existence. But as it stands today, they've got a seat at the table, so someone considers them still in the game.
Six weeks ago I went through the argument based on the primary factors that I assume LeBron and his people will be considering: team caliber and market size. Of the six teams on the list, you can certainly make a very solid case for the Clippers. They all have the money. LA is the second biggest market, but arguably the best from a media exposure standpoint. And only the Bulls can even begin to compete in terms of existing roster.
The other teams have countered by simply clearing more and more space. Knicks GM Donnie Walsh performed a minor basketball miracle in getting rid of Jared Jeffries' contract last February, to free up the space for two full maximum contracts in New York. At the time, it seemed like an act of desperation. Now it's just par for the course. The Heat, Bulls and Nets have all made deals in the last week to free up more space as well.
The Heat are trying for THREE big names. The Bulls and Nets would like to lure two like the Knicks. Can they do it?
First of all, let's be as clear as possible about the math.
The Knicks do in fact have enough room for two full max players, so if LeBron and Bosh want to play together in New York, it is possible. The Knicks could conceivably then turn Eddy Curry's expiring contract into a third decent player, and New York would at that point have.... three decent players. OK, maybe that's a little harsh, but they're certainly not building around Danilo Gallinari and Andy Rautins.
Chicago does NOT have room for two full maximum contracts as of this point. It's pretty close, but it doesn't quite work. By my math, given their current roster, if the Bulls were to sign LeBron for a full maximum deal of $16.83M, they'd have a little over $14M left for Bosh (or whomever). That's still a lot of money, but would Bosh take that when another team would be willing to pay him almost $3M more per year (which would add up to over $15M over the course of his contract with raises)? If the Buls could indeed lure two marquee names, they could have an impressive team to say the least. Start with Derrick Rose, Luol Deng and Joakim Noah, add LeBron James, and then add Chris Bosh (or Amare Stoudemire or Carlos Boozer) and that's the best starting five in the NBA.
[Note by Steve Perrin, 06/26/10 10:17 AM PDT - I'm embarrassed to say that I left the cap hold for Derrick Favors and Damion James, the Nets' draft picks, out of the first draft of the original post. My bad.] New Jersey comes even closer than Chicago to being able to offer two full max deals, but also comes up a little short has a little less room than Chicago. My math shows Mr. Second Fiddle, whomever he may be, earning $15.16M $11.7M, assuming LeBron is not offering to take a paycut. The Nets also have some nice pieces at point guard and center in Devin Harris and Brook Lopez, but even with LeBron and Bosh at the forward spots, the lineup would have a pretty glaring weakness with Courtney Lee at shooting guard.
As for Miami, we know that they have room for two max players - can they fit three? In a word, no, not three full max guys. One issue with Miami is that I know that James Jones' deal is only partially guaranteed and that they will waive him to free up space - but I don't know the amount that is guaranteed [Note by Steve Perrin, 06/26/10 10:24 AM PDT - looks like that amount is $1.856M, hat tip to citizen PookeyGuru and the invaluable ShamSports.com]. The Heat would also like to get rid of the second pick in the 2008 draft, Michael Beasley, but aren't finding any takers. My best guess, with Beasley still around and a fudge factor in for Jones, is that the Heat would have around $45M and could pay two maximum contracts and make a third offer starting around $11.5M per. Not bad. If they are actually able to find a team willing to take Beasley, this could be the greatest experiment in the history of the NBA - the Heat would be trying to build a team that was made up of three maximum salary superstars, and ten NBA minimum guys, with literally nothing in between. It could work - but it could also go horribly wrong, and they could end up with a complete mess in South Beach. The biggest question for Miami is, which three pieces would you want to put together there? There's an elemental problem with their plan, which is that the marquee names more or less play one of two positions - wing or power forward - so signing three of them has a basic problem. Sure, LeBron's a small forward and Wade's a shooting guard. But at the end of the day, they're both wings, and wings that dominate the ball at that. I've never for a moment believed that LeBron and Wade would end up on the same team. These are two of the three most visible superstars in the NBA, and I don't care how much they like winning gold medals together every other summer, they're not sharing the spot light for 82 games. Maybe they'll prove me wrong, but I doubt it.
Which begs the question, what's the best case scenario for the Heat that doesn't include LeBron? Obviously anything in Miami starts with Wade. The logical second guy is Bosh. Whose the third guy? Stoudemire and Boozer play the same postion as Bosh. Joe Johnson plays the same position as Wade. David Lee as your center? Rudy Gay as the small forward (might as well stick with Beasley)? So it's great for them that they have room for three players, but who are they actually going to spend the money on? Frankly, the Heat would be better off starting with Wade and Bosh (or Stoudemire or Boozer) and then using the rest of the money to sign a few solid players rather than blowing it all on a third guy.
Cleveland of course is looking like the sad, boring choice. Same old teammates. Same old city. Sure, there's family and loyalty there, and maybe that means more to LeBron than most people suspect. But compared to all the shiny new toys other teams are offering, returning to the Cavs might seem a little like getting new underwear for Christmas; or maybe even getting old underwear for Christmas.
Likewise, compared with some of the other teams who are offering LeBron the chance to recruit his wingman, the Clippers may be looking a little outdated at this point. One max salary slot? That's so February. Of course, the Clippers also offer established, legitimate NBA starters at the other four positions, and a clear hierarchy for James. He's he only guy coming in, there's no question whose team it is. The ace in the hole for the Clippers may be Blake Griffin. As a fellow first overall draft pick and athletic freak, Griffin may be the best complement to James among his suitors. He's inside to LBJ's outside. He's willing to play off the ball. He's willing to do all the grunt work, grab the rebounds, dive over the scorer's table. And he's willing to give James the spotlight.
In the end, if the Clippers have any chance at all in this beauty contest, it will first come down to the discussions between the free agents themselves. Because the simple fact is that if LeBron wants to take a date to the dance, then the Clippers aren't an option. But if he's going to go stag, then the Clippers are probably his best option. The Clippers were stung two years ago when a free agent romance between Baron Davis and Elton Brand suddenly went south. It's entirely possible that LeBron won't find a dance partner to his liking. Bosh certainly seems like the best fit. If LeBron wants to play with Bosh next season, then the Clippers are out. But if he's going to strike out on his own, then LA may be the place.
For now, the Clippers have a seat at the table and a chance to make their pitch, and that's all you can ask for at this point.
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I hope Neil Olshey is the one pitching
They guy was an actor, and he always impresses me during press conferences. I think he could sell the idea of the Clippers very well.
"Smart dudes that know the game of basketball." - Al-Farouq Aminu referring to his new teammates
indeed
I was discussing this just last night. The guy is money at the podium. Knows how to work a room, never at a loss for words. He’s very, very good at that part of the game.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Jun 26, 2010 1:20 AM PDT up reply actions
I like Olshey. Even when he was the assistant.
He does carry himself very well in in conferences and interviews. He knows what he wants to say and comes across confidently. If he can persuade LeBron to come here, he will be Executive of the year. Then he better get a raise.
by Lawler 4ever on Jun 26, 2010 1:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Shouldn't we have learned lately
About dudes who can command a podium but have no executive experience?
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
Let MDSr's firing go, my man, let it go
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Lol
Man you are dense. If you silly little mind, what does my comment have to with MDSr? I have to know.
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
by John R on Jun 27, 2010 2:04 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
If Jax thought MDSr. was incompetent,
what does he think of the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave?
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
Don't want to go down that road
let’s not bring politics into the fray. Being a Clippers fan is already dirty enough.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jun 28, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Just following the direction of the conversation
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
*CLAP* *CLAP* *CLAP*
Steve, that was the best written article on 2010 free agency from a Clipper angle that I have read so far. I’ve been reading this site for two years now and I must say you have really become a good sports writer. I guess the theory of OUTLIERS is repitions = mastery and you’ve had many.
Anyway, Cheers! Great piece of writing….
"I want someone who will, you know, let me put it in or who [will] suck on it." – Donald Sterling
by Dow Jones on Jun 26, 2010 1:17 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
So you're saying...
that two years ago I sucked? Just kidding. Thanks for the slow clap.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Jun 26, 2010 1:21 AM PDT up reply actions
You've gotten better...
Two years ago you lacked access and were timid…but Dunleavy was always on the defensive; not totally your fault
"I want someone who will, you know, let me put it in or who [will] suck on it." – Donald Sterling
I don't mean that in a bad way...
seriously…you’ve become a much better writer.
"I want someone who will, you know, let me put it in or who [will] suck on it." – Donald Sterling
Yeah, I don't get that one either.
But I guess everyone’s a critic. :P
For those keeping faint hope alive that MDSr was the primary culprit behind Clipper woes, it turns out that the team does a fine job of losing without him. - citizen zhiv
Timid was the wrong word...
I just wanted to emphasize that Steve’s gotten a lot better over the years but he was good starting out so now he’s probably one of the top SB Nation bloggers.
I wasnt trying to criticize at all but I’m sorry if it came off that way Steve!
"I want someone who will, you know, let me put it in or who [will] suck on it." – Donald Sterling
"One max salary slot? That's so February."
Such a great line Steve. Nice article!
I totally agree.
This was a very well written article Steve. I was thinking to myself, man Steve did a great job. I’m glad that others saw the same thing.
by Lawler 4ever on Jun 26, 2010 1:27 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree - excellent article
To me LBJ’s comfort with the concept of playing in Kobe’s city, for a notorious owner, is an important issue. If he’s going to move out of Cleveland, it seems to me that on paper the Clippers are similar to the Bulls in terms of established teams.
Another issue is the makeup of the two teams – which would he rather play and hang with day-to-day?
Bosh v. Griffin
Rose v. BD
Noah v. Kaman
Also – maybe LBJ is someone who likes underdogs. If that’s the case it would seem to me that the Clippers would win.
I’’m also wondering whether DTS is going to go to Chicago. My bet is that he does go. The meeting between he and LBJ would be fascinating.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Very well written
pretty much sums up the last 2 years
Bosh
Baron and Bosh seems to have a very good relationship. What do you guys think about starting Blake at the 3 and Bosh at the 4? Every one is after James so why not we go after the pretty girl’s less beautiful bf? We’ll score points by being the only team that went after him at the same instance the others are oogling Lebron.
"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.
by cliptakular on Jun 26, 2010 1:24 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
her boyfriend?
errmm why not i’m willing to experiment lol
for being named highriser
that was pretty low haha. I meant best friend.
Im @ work and im using my phone so pardon the grammatical inaccuracies
"This kid is the best new talent in the league right now, and I don't care who else you mention." -Suns Coach, Alvin Gentry, on Clippers rookie sensation, Eric Gordon.
by cliptakular on Jun 26, 2010 1:44 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
"I meant best friend."
Talk about awkward lol.
by Handsome_B._Wonderful on Jun 26, 2010 1:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Not necessarily....
I took it to mean that it’s LBJ’s call; where does LeBron want to go, who does he want with him, if anyone. Maybe it means that Bosh goes with if LeBron asks… but I don’t think that’s a foregone conclusion.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Jun 26, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Steve since I've long held you in high esteem....
…you should join the rest of (some) your esteemed SBN colleagues in using Sham’s salary as a resource. It will save a lot of these questions for you.
I think Jones is owed money in each year of the deal if he’s waived.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Also great article as per usual.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Big fan of Sham...
But didn’t see specifics on Jones’ deal; just that it’s not fully guaranteed.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Jun 26, 2010 2:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Hmmmm my bad senor
If you click your mouse on the names they usually have that stuff. There is like 5 million of dollars guaranteed over the 3 remaining years of Jones I believe.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Also he's done a lot of little things to illustrate how much cap room a team has.
For instance, all a team’s trade exceptions are available on the site now. Lotsa good stuff. And I was wrong about Jones guaranteed money: It’s 6 million dollars! Yikes!
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
My bad actually...
Last night at 2:30, Sham was down so I couldn’t check. I see the guarantees in the mouseover now – honestly did not know that existed (is that one of the new features?). Jones is owed $6M total if he’s waived… but the cap hit in 10-11 is $1.856M looks like.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Jun 26, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Great article, Steve
Used underwear for Christmas. LOL!!!!!!!
Fantastically written Stevey...
You somehow managed to show the legitimacy and illegitimacy of the Clippers run at LeBron, and make it all interesting and informative to basketball nerds and newbs alike. I’m glad you’re a Clippers fan, and your loyal readers (you have a lot of those, that must be crazy feeling) appreciate it.
Yay yay.
The allure of an established roster
The Clips ain’t the favorites. But as the rubber starts hits the road- in the final days and hours when James really has to make a call- I predict that ESPN and the rest of the media will grow begrudgingly alarmed at our chances. Los Angeles and a clear, promising team situation hold significant weight, even more than supposed curses and poor reputations.
A new coach will shift the scales, of course. I actually think Bledsoe as our future PG will even factor in.
Keep up the good fight, SP!
"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT
LBJ can show everybody if he is indeed the best!
The discussion around where LBJ will end up is useless! There are 2 options – he could go to the Clippers and make history by taking the worse NBA team to a championship, proving he is the best of all time, or go somewhere else with somebody else, where winning will never be anything special! Everyone could win with Wade, Bosh, Boozer next to him!
Placed it somewhere else but this is how we should approach Lebron
If Im the Clippers managment I’d send David Geffen, Baron, Griffin, Gordon, Aminu and Bledsoe. Tell him the franchise shifts if Lebron comes to LAC if he does we sign a strong coach and GM while moving power from Sterling to Geffen. Use the Media connection of Baron Davis and David Geffen as a foward access to Hollywood.Then pitch the talent the Los Angeles Clippers have th best overall squad heading into free agency and it’s not even close We have a Center who can post and score inside and out, a PF ready to explode in the league and who is an extreme hard worker, a SG who can get to the rim and drop the 3 ball and a PG who can create anywhere on the floor and generate a fast break out of any sitiuation. The Bench as it stands has high level young talent and promise veterans will be added to help complement the bench. A system will be in place that fits the team.
Pitch if you want to be the man you have to beat the man, its one thing to beat the Lakers in the Finals it’s another to win the division, the conference and eliminate them from the NBA Finals all together it’s one thing to be King of the East try bringing a graveyard team and be King of the West.
Overall we offer the talent of the Chicago Bulls (and then some) and the media/Hollywood without the stress of the New York media.
Trade Kaman for Bosh, then Lure Bron
I wonder what a sign and trade scenario would look like to first get Bosh for Kaman + other salaries (what’s the salary diff?) if Bron really wants to get paired up that badly with Bosh. Toronto gets some cap relief, I would guess. Clips may need to get into luxury tax territory.
I was thinking of this the other day too.
I think it’d be interesting to have a front line of BG and Bosh to see how it works. I think BG measurements compare close to people like Al Horford, david lee, and amare who have had some success at center. I think BG would do most of the dirty work down low while Bosh has a more refined outside game. I think a lot of teams are resorting to non traditional lineups, and besides overall height, i’d have to say BG’s game is probably even closer to a center than the center Bosh has been playing with the past few years.
Maybe be like tim duncan, who was usually listed as a PF, but never played with a traditional center either. Plus if it nets us LBJ, a 3 man front court of Bosh, Griffin, LBJ I think would strike fear in the hearts of most teams, with or without a real center.
One more point
that I haven’t read much about in regard to the LeBron sweepstakes is what happens to all the teams that DON’T sign him and/or another superstar.
This is what I like about the Clips position in all this. They have a shot at LeBron, but if he doesn’t come, the team is still better off than it’s been the past two ears already. Every other team in the hunt for LeBron has regressed in some way in order to get a chance at signing him. Of the teams invited to make a pitch, the Clips may least chance of actually signing him, but we also need him the least.
Great point...
NY was already terrible and they’ll get JJ and Lee as a consolation but the Bulls would be SCREWED
"I want someone who will, you know, let me put it in or who [will] suck on it." – Donald Sterling
Rising to the Occasion
Great summary and assessment of how we stand in the hunt for LeBron.
This is what the organization has been preparing for for years now, and it’s nice to see Olshey pick up where Dunleavy left off, but with what appears to be more clear headed thinking and confidence with what he’s trying to do. The draft did a lot to bolster our GM position in the eyes of the rest of the league, and no doubt w/ LeBron’s camp. Now the hiring of Casey would keep some momentum going, but i’m pretty sure Del Negro would hurt us, especially in comparison to Chicago.
From a talent standpoint the team has never been in better shape. The knock that we’re too young with BD & Kaman the only vets isn’t entirely such a bad thing with EJ and Griffin figuring to play much older than their years, and it’s a group that LeBron would have to love to lead.
An interesting factor to this story is the LeBron v. Kobe situation. It’s widely assumed that Kobe’s accross the hall presence is a drawback to our case, but maybe dominating the Eastern Conference and the regular season is getting old for LeBron. He has to be frustrated about Kobe’s extended look at being thought of as the best player in the game. Going to LA would be a bold and proactive approach to potentially taking Kobe down early in the Western Conference, and maybe even in a lower pressure scenario (i.e. not the finals). As for LeBron’s loyalty to the Cleveland area, this guy is not at all too old to relocate and make a new home for himself.
On a side note, trading Kaman doesn’t figure to be a smart move imo, as he’s a member of LeBron’s draft class and more importantly he’s also someone that LeBron has referenced more than once over the years with respect.
It'll be important for Olshey to package the "Kobe presence" as an intriguing positive
I can see Lebron getting either turned off or turned on by the close quarters. But man, just think what a basketball super-mecca Los Angeles would suddenly become. Think of the giant billboards facing each other across the 110 freeway. Think of the attendance records. Think of those 4 game-dates when the world’s greatest city is held mesmerized by the next great showdown.
The goods news is that Olshey is the right guy to make the sales pitch, and that indeed he’ll get the chance to make one.
"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT
he should remind that LBJ that Kobe is on the decline
all he has to say is Kobe went 6 for 24 in an elimination game and had to be saved by Gasol. That is very un Kobe like and a good sign of the start of Kobe’s decline.
LeBron or Bust !!!!
few quick thoughts
1) only west coast team in the hunt
2) only team with a full roster in place
3) plenty of youth
4) if he goes with one of the east coast teams, the others will load up on leftovers (and with orlando, boston) make it their goal to beat him
5) Lakers are the only true contender he has to worry about out west…a team LAC would match up well against
by banandy on Jun 26, 2010 1:59 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah I can't get it when people say even with Lebron
the Lakers would be better. The Lakers are getting old in a hurry and might lose some key FA’s and probably are going to lose Jackson to retirement.. And nobody has had success coaching the Lakers in recent history other then Jackson. Here the match ups for good measure:
Fisher v Baron: Baron wins this one, and showed last season he dominates fisher
Kobe v Gordon: Kobe wins this one but not by as much as it would seem
Artest v Lebron: not even close Lebron kills Artest
Gasol v Griffin: Gasol probably wins this one next year, but as time goes on Griffin will get better and I expect Griffin to murder Gasol down low with his mix of strength and quickness
Bynum v Kaman: Kaman wins because he can do something other then dunk
Lakers Bench v Clippers bench: Impossible to tell
Clippers win 3 match ups to 2 by the Lakers.
LeBron or Bust !!!!
The matchups
I see the equation a bit differently, but I like a lot of your descriptions.
It’s not Gasol vs. Griffin, I don’t think. The real matchup there is Gasol vs. Kaman. The advantage goes to Gasol, but it’s a pretty close contest, and a very good matchup. Not many teams have a player who can compete with Gasol in terms of skills and overall game, but Kaman is about as close as it gets. Kaman needs to go to the next level of competition, to figure out his toughness and effort, much like Gasol did when he went to the 08 finals against Boston. Some more big game/series experience, along with the progress he has shown over the last few years when he hasn’t been injured, will make Kaman a key link to Clipper success. We’ve been waiting a long time, however, and that’s something that impresses me about Brook Lopez, how quickly he went to such a high level of production. Bogut is there too (very unfortunate injury), and Robin Lopez and Mark Gasol aren’t shabby either.
It’s important to include DJordan in the equation, and he’s a crucial, sometimes neglected part of the Clippers future. Jordan is the guy matching up against Bynum. The way to look at this, it seems to me, is the big man rotations. The Lakers start Bynum and Gasol and bring Odom off the bench. The Clippers will start Kaman and Griffin and bring Jordan off the bench. If DJordan continues to improve he should be able to compete quite well against Bynum. Lots of teams don’t have that piece, and the ones that do don’t have players that match up against Gasol/Odom or Kaman/Griffin. DJordan needs to raise his game to get to the level of Robin Lopez, to begin with, and then aim at guys like Bynum and Mark Gasol and Brook Lopez and Bogut. His close bond with Griffin is a key element in my own belief that DJordan is going to get there, that he’s going to work hard and make some big leaps in the near future.
It’s much too soon to even pencil in LeBron vs. Artest.
by citizen zhiv on Jun 27, 2010 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I was saying that if Lebron came to the clips
Because so many reports always end there report with but even with Lebron would the clippers be better then the Lakers. I think Jordan will also benefit from having a competent backup PG on the bench (similar to Blake at the end of the season) who can get him good looks on the inside. Hopefully Bledsoe (maybe WW also) can fill this role. It will also be interesting to see Jordan fit in what looks to be a extremely young and energetic bench with at least Bledsoe, AFA, possibly WW, and DJ.
LeBron or Bust !!!!
I really hope DJ can get to that level
I really like the kid.
Yeah is it possible to not like the kid
I sometimes think his own desire to be great and to fulfill his/our expectations is what sometimes frustrates him on the court. But I think the drafting of BG and the start of the youth movement is a great thing for DJ.
LeBron or Bust !!!!
by bestclipfan on Jun 28, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
thanks steve
Just wanted to say thanks to steve and all the clipper fans for the best clips coverage on the net. my two cents on the king, i get so upset with the national media they act like the clips have no chance at all of signing james, its not the same old situation james does not need the clips as leverage he’s simply considering them as a very good situation to win in and make he’s legacy. nobody knows who he will pick to play with but the clippers have a lot to offer.
I can just imagine the Clippers brass sitting at a table with Lebron...
Opening up the photo album, showing off our historic moments as an organization, from the world championships, to the MVPs, etc.
I don’t see how he could say no.
I've got nothing.
or they could just show him a BG college highlight reel
LeBron or Bust !!!!
by bestclipfan on Jun 27, 2010 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Thats a terrible idea
why not just show him a bunch of embarrassing photos from childhood of all the players. Lebron doesn’t care about college accomplishments, he wants rings.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jun 27, 2010 2:21 AM PDT up reply actions
The Donald can show off pictures and videos of...
his “world famous” Malibu white beach parties, or his collection of “party hostesses” (in case LeBron feels that urge), or those beautiful L.A. Times ads that he so graciously blesses us with a few days a week.
Sterling can show off his celebrity friends like Billy Crystal and Penny Marshall, or other big stars like Michael Clarke Duncan, the dad from “That’s So Raven”, that dude that was the star of the “Penitentary” movies, and teen hearthrobs Scott Baio and Frankie Muniz (wherever the hell he is nowadays)
Yeah, that’ll do it…LeBron can be shown to live the “Sterling Way”.
by Shawn H on Jun 27, 2010 11:02 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
the con
the clipper situation, on paper, looks great. but one big drawback.
sterling.
after sterling took moves in the right direction by paying baron and FINALLY locking down on a homegrown product like kaman, he cheaps out of dunleavy’s contract guarantee, and twiddles his thumbs to pick between a couple of decent, but middling, coaching options. (i like casey, but hes still a risk as head coach. but i think he will do will)
the talent around lebron here is ridiculous. this team is stacked. but why should lebron trust sterling to keep this core together when we’ve just seen the talent the clips have had use the franchise like a door to another team? its infuriating. sorry for this mini-rant, sterling has just driven me to this breaking point.
steve, ive been a long-time lurker and just recent poster, but excellent write-up. i have total faith in olshey concerning what should be a convincing pitch, but when lebron looks across from olshey and sees sterling’s fake smile, i wont blame him for having his doubts.
hopefully sterling can walk the walk after chirping about wanting glory with camby’s trade. id love for him to finally show something with a superstar of this caliber, but do i think a superstar will trust sterling? i have my doubts, and reasonably so.
DTS
My sense is that the Clippers and Olshey will be well-prepared to answer any MDSr. questions in the interview with Lebron. In the first place, it’s just too obvious a stumbling block for them not to address it. The trick is that it’s not just a matter of clearing the slate, but of making a pitch to show that the Clippers are capable of making the leap into being an elite NBA team.
Good topic. Think I’ll do more over in a fan post.
by citizen zhiv on Jun 27, 2010 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Great
A meeting with DTS, a soon as DTS enters the room Lebron would just say “Next”
Just heard on ESPN that Lebron and Bosh are going to be Chicago bulls, this is just for formality.
What’s plan B?
I laughed so... very... hard.
“By all means. FSM forbid that this process turn into a spectacle. "
by DoubleTechnical on Jun 27, 2010 5:36 PM PDT reply actions
We would be the hands down favorite IF Chris Bosh grew a pair and signed with Miami or New York BEFORE knowing where LBJ goes
I think Miami would...if NY is smart, they would too before it's too late
but theoretically, take out Bosh from the equation and suddenly the Clippers are THE best option hands down
yep
so lets hope Bosh likes NY style pizza or Cuban food more then he likes Deep dish pizza. If Bosh anywhere that isn’t Chicago then I think we definitely become Lebron’s best option.
LeBron or Bust !!!!
by bestclipfan on Jun 28, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
with all this said, it should follow that LBJ won't sign anywhere (other than LAC) unless he had a verbal commitment from Bosh that he'll come over too
it would suck for LBJ to sign with Chi-town only to see Bosh move to Miami. that window of time could go down Baron/EB style…haha
Colangelo made it clear that he's looking for a s&t for Bosh
btw in an hypothetical trade Chicago could offer Deng and Johnson (toronto needs a SF as Hedo is out) and free more cap space for another max FA. That would be bad…
It's Carter not WWW for the Clippers
Carter tried to work an arrangement with David Geffen to buy controlling interest of the Los Angeles Clippers, but owner Donald Sterling has shown no interest in selling. This would’ve been Carter’s coup, his way to move James into Hollywood and an epic tangle with Kobe Bryant(notes) and the Los Angeles Lakers. It would’ve been his score, his deal, and Wes would’ve been on the outside.
If not Lebron, why not Wade
If Geffen were to buy, would love to have him make an offer to Gabrielle Union for a picture and then offer Wade, so they are out here

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