On the Free Agency Bubble
In late February and early March, there are always about a hundred college basketball teams who think they have a legitimate shot to get into the NCAA tournament. The trouble is, there are only 65 bids available, and only 34 at-large bids. And less than two days from the start of 2010 NBA free agency, I can't help but think about those NCAA bubble teams.
Here's the thing. In the constant stream of analysis about 2010 free agency, I have yet to see a basic breakdown of supply and demand. And it turns out, it's not a pretty picture for the teams in the market for players. Some of them aren't going to get invited to the big dance.
Let's look at the demand side first. There are five teams that are most commonly discussed as being ready to make a maximum offer to a free agent whose name rhymes with LeSchmon Schmames. Those five are the Miami Heat, Chicago Bulls, New York Knicks, New Jersey Nets and Los Angeles Clippers.
But in addition to those five teams, there are at least two others with big bankrolls. Neither Sacramento nor Minnesota are discussed in the context of LeBron, despite the fact that they are each very close to having enough money under the salary cap to make a maximum offer. Of course, LeBron is believed to want to go to a bigger market if he leaves Cleveland, so in that sense neither Sacramento nor Minneapolis makes sense. But they certainly have the money to be in the market for one of the other big name free agents this summer.
Washington also had a ton of cap space, but ate into it with their deal for Kirk Hinrich last week.
Speaking of Hinrich, by dealing him Chicago has entered the ranks of the multiple free agent hopefuls, joining the Knicks in looking for two big signees, while the Heat would dearly love to sign THREE superstars. For the time being I won't quibble over the fact that the Bulls don't really have enough money to sign two max deals, nor do the Heat have enough to sign three. They have a lot, and they could sign players for huge amounts, even if they weren't all maximum deals necessarily. Moreover, if Chicago had an agreement in principal with LeBron and Chris Bosh contingent on clearing the space to pay each of them the maximum, they'd have that deal done quicker than you can say "Luol Deng and a future first rounder to the Clippers."
So let's say for now that there are three spots in Miami and two in Chicago and add up the demand side:
Heat 3
Knicks 2
Bulls 2
Nets 1
Clippers 1
Kings 1
Wolves 1
That's a total of 11 big name free agents that would be necessary to satisfy all those shoppers. So what do we have on the supply side?
Obviously, there's only one LeBron James, but we all know it's an historic free agent market, with multiple MVPs and Finals MVPs available. There must be plenty to go around, right?
Sure enough, this list on HoopsHype goes exactly 11 deep with coveted free agents. In order, they list:
- LeBron James
- Dwyane Wade
- Yao Ming
- Chris Bosh
- Dirk Nowitzki
- Amare Stoudemire
- Joe Johnson
- Carlos Boozer
- Rudy Gay
- David Lee
- Paul Pierce
So 11 big names and 11 salary slots for the big money teams. Everyone goes home happy, right? Well, not so fast.
For one thing, several of these players have options for the coming season. Although it isn't official yet, it's an open secret that James and Wade and Bosh will opt out of the final year of their contracts. However, it's far from certain that Yao and Dirk and Pierce will do the same.
But there's another problem as well. The collective bargaining agreement allows teams to go over the salary cap to sign their own free agents. So by introducing the specific names into the discussion, we introduce an equal number of new suitors on the demand side (except in the cases of Wade and Lee, whose teams are already under the cap). Any number of these players, including LeBron, could choose to re-sign with their current team. In our NCAA tournament analogy, that would be a little like a poor team unexpectedly winning a conference tournament - they get the automatic berth, leaving an additonal team battling for a fixed number of at large bids.
The whole situation is of course further complicated by possible sign and trade scenarios. The simple fact of the matter is, almost anything can happen. But what would we expect to happen?
The best guess is that Yao, Dirk and Pierce will re-sign with their current teams, reducing the number of big name prizes by three. In addition, given that up to six of the remaining eight could change the math by going back to their current team, there's a good chance that at least one of them will do just that (LeBron and restricted free agent Rudy Gay seem like candidates).
If that were to happen, you'd be looking at the possibility of seven teams, with room for 11 high paid players, battling over just seven available stars. If all the stars use the buddy system and end up going to Miami, Chicago and New York, that leaves four teams with the money to pay maximum free agents, and no one to spend it on.
Or turn that scenario over - what happens if one of the teams with enough room for multiple players gets completely snubbed? There's a school of thought that says this is exactly what will happen to the Knicks. If LeBron doesn't go to New York, who will? The team made itself so bad that it would be pure hubris for anyone other than the league MVP to think they could turn it around. Not to mention, who wants to be the second choice of a bunch of rabid New Yorkers who were sold multiple seasons of losing by design for the express purpose of getting LeBron James? They didn't suffer through Al Harrington just to embrace Joe Johnson as the savior. It could get ugly in Gotham.
It's important for all of these teams, including the Clippers, to remember that they don't have to spend their money on a single player. Little known fact, they don't have to spend their money at all. At least the Clippers are in a position to field a team if they whiff on the free agency market - the same can't really be said for the Knicks and the Heat and the Bulls.
No one really knows what's going to happen. Depending on who you listen to, any number of things are 'done deals'. Only problem is, those 'done deals' are all mutually exclusive.
If I had to predict (reverse mojo alert) here's what I would guess is going to happen (in order of most likely to least likely):
- LeBron James and Dwyane Wade will NOT be teammates next season. To me this has always been the most obvious conclusion about this free agency class. Dwyane Wade led the NBA in usage last season. LeBron James was second. I hope that each of them is self aware enough to realize that it wouldn't work - that one or both of them would have to give up a tremendous number of touches and share the spotlight. It ain't happening.
- Dwyane Wade will re-sign in Miami. They've treated him well. He's been an accomplice in the 'clear the decks' strategy, so although the team around him has been pretty terrible the last few years, he seems to have faith that Pat Riley and Micky Arison will someday succeed in putting some decent pieces around him.
- James and Bosh will pair up in Chicago. It seems like somebody was sending a pretty clear message to the Bulls that they needed to make some more cap space. I'm much less confident in the predictions after the Wade in Miami thing, but this is my best guess.
- Stoudemire will join Wade in South Beach. Boozer has always been on Riley's radar, but Stoudemire is younger and longer and I think Miami will be the most attractive desitination after the Bulls are done. They'll pick Stoudemire, and Stoudemire will accept.
- Miami will NOT be able to sign a third marquee name. They'll use their remaining cap space to re-sign Udonis Haslem, and HOPE that they can find someone better than Joel Anthony to play some center.
- The Knicks will sign Carlos Boozer and re-sign David Lee. The Knicks will be desperate to sign SOMEBODY and will overpay to not get frozen out. Boozer proved once before that it's all about the money for him so he'll take their money and walk into the MSG lion's den. Lee has already been there, and is well-liked by the New York fans, so re-signing him at least helps to salvage the situation a little. The Knicks starting lineup for next season becomes Toney Douglas, Bill Walker, Danilo Gallinari, Carlos Boozer and David Lee. Their bench is a bunch of guys playing at Rucker. That's what you waited two full years for, New York fans.
- Joe Johnson will accept a full maximum offer from the Nets. With Devin Harris at the point, Brook Lopez at center and number three overall pick Derrick Favors at power forward, the Nets need wings, and once James and Wade make it clear that they won't be playing in Newark, New Jersey will throw a ton of ruples at Johnson. Johnson proved to be pretty mercenary when he left Phoenix for Atlanta - he'll take it.
- Gay is the least impressive of the names on the list. Think of it this way - the Grizzlies didn't extend him when they had the chance. There aren't a lot of names on that list you can say that about. Since he's a restricted free agent now, teams will have to overpay in order to sign him or else the Grizzlies will just match. Nonetheless, someone will blink as they watch the other guys getting snapped up. I dearly hope it's not the Clippers who blink, but I fear it might be.
Frankly, the Clippers would be much better off eschewing the big signing, and looking to build the roster with multiple smaller signings. Especially in the case of RFA Gay; the Grizzlies would have seven days to match. If the Clippers had their cap space tied up in Gay for a week in a last ditch effort to sign a big name this summer, they'd likely lose any chance of signing the solid mid-range players that are probably their better long term options. If the Grizzlies then matched at the end of a week, the Clippers would be left with nothing.
Not even an invitation to the NIT.
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Nets really have 2 max slots
they have almost as much cap space as the Bulls and they can easily move Yi Jianlian, Courtney Lee and/or Terrence Williams if they really needed the cap space.
FA in 2010.
Really?
You think Yi’s 4 mill this year and 5.4 next year will be easy to move? I don’t. Much easier to move Courtney and Williams which only clears 3.5 million off the books for next year.
by daclipjoint on Jun 29, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
They just moved it
to the Washington Wizards for Quinton Ross. I posted a fanshot.
You guys hear that....
the sweet smell of success. And yes, Yi is a talent and his contract expires after the season.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jun 29, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Agree with your vision...
…but I see a slightly overpaid Gay to the Knicks along with Boozer. Clips fill their roster with pieces. That’s really not bad, leaves them flexible to resign their own down the line and could be good if they can find someone like Josh Childress lying around.
I hope you're right
I’d rather go with value guys that Rudy Gay.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Jun 29, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd be happy with either Joe Johnson or Rudy Gay landing with the Clippers
At the end of the day, they can flat out score. I’d prefer Johson because of his ability to play point forward, something which we have lacked. It also gives us a nice inside/outside varied game.
I’d be interested in knowing which multiple smaller signings you would be looking at going after Steve because obviously if you are comparing picking up one of say, Johnson or Gay with your preferred option, it’s essential to know what players you are targeting.
I know Johnson is more advanced in years but for me, it’s the mixture of youth and experience that creates a winning team. They can’t all be young men on their way up. They need older heads who have experienced failure so they can share that experience in those tight game spots.
Bingo! Oh me oh my!
i think tyrus thomas has been undervalued.
i’d rank him ahead of david lee. he’s never played in an up-tempo offense, and he’s going to by dynamite with a team such as the knicks.
i’m surprised the anti-thornton, josh childress hasn’t been touted more. he’d make a great clipper.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
Eh?
I’m the de facto President of the Josh Childress fan club over here. The movement has been growing the last month of so… only catch is J-Chill is a RFA so we have to hope the Hawks sign Joe Johnson and lose the appetite to match a deal for Childress.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jun 29, 2010 2:12 AM PDT up reply actions
pardon me.
how much do you think Childress is worth? I’d go up to $10M a year, without raises.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
Hmm
somewhere from 7.5-9 million a year. Would be a bargain compared to Deng who makes on average 12 million per year.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jun 29, 2010 2:47 AM PDT up reply actions
The Hawks have invested a lot of money in Marvin Williams
but because Childress is so versatile, I’m afraid they’d still match a conservative offer sheet—especially if Joe Johnson leaves town.
Milwaukee wanted to sign him last year, and Washington is reportedly interested. They can afford to give him $9M per. Throw Memphis in there as well, if Gay leaves.
Man, he is such a good fit for so many teams.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
if joe johnson signs with them for the max
anything over $7M would put them over the luxury tax threshold. that’s probably where they’d draw the line.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
$9 mil a year?
For a guy who averaged 11.8 points, 4.9 rebounds and 1.5 assists? You don’t think that’s a bit high?
Based on Deng’s superior cross the board production, $3 mil more a year really isn’t outrageous.
Childress at $9 mil is definitely NOT a bargain. No way to rationalize that. $7.5 is more reasonable and I wouldn’t mind him at that price.
9 would be a little high
but not outrageous. And look closer at the stats MG, you’ll be surprised (in a good way) by how efficient Josh Childress truly is.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jun 29, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Not outrageous
I didn’t say it was outrageous. Just that it’s not a bargain at all compared to Deng. Especially considering that Deng is two years younger.
In the end, I wouldn’t cry foul if we made that signing. I like Childress and think he’s a very good player. I’m just talking about his value.
I'd say the age thing is less important
for one these guys will still be in their primes through the length of their deals. Childress would be a few months shy of 32 when this proposed deal ends. He’s also played a lighter schedule overseas the past 2 years (they only play about 50 games) so less wear and tear than Deng.
Of course, the cheaper we sign J Chill the more we have to spend elsewhere but obviously we need to offer a little more than the MLE to separate ourselves from the other teams. There’s little reason we should lose out on a local kid to the Wizards as rumored.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jun 29, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Across the board production
Deng’s numbers are better across the board because he plays more minutes and takes more shots. Per 36 minutes for their NBA careers, Deng and Childress match up very closely. Deng scores 3 PPG more, but Childress is the more efficient shooter (.522 v .474 FG%; .360 v .309 3PT%). They are just about dead even in rebounding, assists, blocks and steals.
IMO, Childress is the better fit for the Clippers due to his 3 point shooting, and I’d offer him more than I would offer any other non-max SF. $9 million seems like fair value, and I’d even go a little higher if necessary. Deng seems to have improved his 3 point shooting the last couple seasons, and I’m not against taking him off Chicago’s hands either. He just isn’t quite as good a value or as good a fit as Childress.
Loul Deng is a very nice piece
I would be happy if the Clippers took him off the Bulls hands. He would help the Clippers with his defense and his ability to score.
Wow! Am I missing something here?!
We’re getting excited over the prospects of getting Josh Childress? JOSH CHILDRESS?! Atlanta was happy to let him go, and Europe doesn’t want him now either. This is to me the worst idea I’ve seen thrown out there (good article by the way!)……and yet everyone here seems to think it’s a good idea?! That to me seems like the basketball equivalent of being in a frenzy to signing a middle relief guy for the price tag of a #2 starter in baseball. Sorry Clipper Chuck – but I just can’t see THAT one!
by Clipper Doggy on Jun 29, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Atlanta wasn't happy to see him go
he left because the Greeks could pay him a net income contract (he essentially gets paid $10 million a year now and plays far fewer games). The Hawks have retained his rights the last few years as they hope to keep him as they recognize he’s a valuable piece. He is a glue guy like a Shane Battier. If Trevor Ariza gets the MLE, then Childress is worth a million or more extra.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jun 29, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm willing to admit I could be wrong.....
And I guarantee that if he becomes a Clipper, I would have NO trouble rooting for him. But still…….Josh Childress?! Anyone know of any other team clamoring to get him? And yeah, Atlanta didn’t “let him go”…..they just thought his estimation of his worth was millions a year more than theirs. (So technically you’re right…..but for all intents and purposes – they did indeed let him go.)
What do I know?…..when it happened, I liked the Bo Kimble pick! LOL Again, you’ve thought this out well, Chuck – so don’t feel I’m insulting you. I’m not. I just still don’t see it.
by Clipper Doggy on Jun 29, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Childress is better than Battier
No need to stick Childress with the glue guy label. He’s a legit player whose contributions are tangible, unlike others who we are led to believe have “bigger impact than in the stat sheets.”
by Michael White on Jun 29, 2010 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
He's more offense than Battier
Battier’s biggest contribution is his leadership and his fundamental defense. Contesting shots doesn’t shot up in the box score but clearly his patented almost eye poke is excellent defense.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jun 29, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Rebounds too
Battier’s value is in his focus and execution of certain intangibles. His defensive focus and effort are number one. Basketball is funny, and it’s odd how people don’t talk about it in these terms, but players have to go both ways, offense and defense, and most great players are just that, great players. But in football it’s obvious that you have a defensive leader and “quarterback,” usually a middle linebacker or strong safety, who sees the field and makes plays. Battier is like that, and he also goes against the bigger, best players (Lebron, Carmelo) and tries to take them out of their game.
Along with that he rebounds and has a nose for the ball. The fact that he shoots the 3 is a strong contribution as well.
It would be great if Aminu could attempt to become a Battier-type player. He doesn’t seem as if he’s going to be a Duke/cerebral defensive quarterback (Blake Griffin is that guy, as it happens), but if his defensive focus is strong, along the lines of a QRoss with greater length, athleticism, and talent, he’ll be a big asset. And let’s see what his 3 point shot looks like in 3 years.
Childress is a very different player. He’s more of a point forward who does every thing well, but his fluidity and passing and ballhandling are great for the position. Childress would be great as a starter, with young Aminu coming off the bench and learning the NBA game.
by citizen zhiv on Jun 29, 2010 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah....
I don’t know what is going on. Childress was a sixth man on the Hawks. His career averages 11 ppg, 6 rpg, and 2 apg.
The guy has missed more than half a season in his short career in the NBA.
He is 6’8 and only 210 lbs.
Throwing 9 million at him would be the dumbest move the Clippers could make.
I have been thinking "what if we sign JJ", and I think it's not such a bad idea. We could put out a lineup of...
Kaman
Griffin
Aminu
Johnson
Baron
where Aminu could be out there for defense and to gobble up some rebounds, and it could be a taller version (at every position) of this lineup..
Kaman
Brand
Q. Ross
Mobley
Cassell
So I say we…
1. Try to sign Joe Johnson
2. Try to sign Josh Childress
3. Try to pry away Igoudala
4. Try to acquire Deng and Beasley
I’d just like to not come away with nothing for this free agency period.. This is the big summer that they have been selling us on.. If we don’t get something, it’s going to be the same ol’ BS that we see/hear every year.
"look, you can find any coach you want, bring him in here and run the situation. But I don't think they are going to do as good a job as I do." -Mike Dunleavy Sr.
It hasn't been a hard sell to be honest
We didn’t even know we’d have this cap space until the middle of the last season so if we come away with no superstars we are still in a better situation because we will be coming back with Aminu & Griffin
I like Joe Johnson and the big line-up you mention. We could also go smaller with Baron, Gordon, Johnson, Aminu & Blake if we wanted to run like the Suns. The ability to play mutliple positions like Johnson & Aminu can is a nice option to have.
miami heat roster
MIAMI HEAT 2010 STARTING 5
LeBron James Small Forward
Dwyane Wade Guard
Chris Bosh Forward-Center
Amar’e Stoudemire Power Forward
Carlos Boozer Forward-Center
BREAKING NEWS MIAMI HEAT SECRET
miami heat roster MIAMI HEAT 2010 STARTING 5
LeBron James Small Forward
Dwyane Wade Guard
Chris Bosh Forward-Center
Amar’e Stoudemire Power Forward
Carlos Boozer Forward-Center
HEAT ROSTER
BREAKING NEWS MIAMI HEAT SECRET miami heat roster MIAMI HEAT 2010 STARTING 5
LeBron James Small Forward
Dwyane Wade Guard
Chris Bosh Forward-Center
Amar’e Stoudemire Power Forward
Carlos Boozer Forward-Center
HEAT ROSTER DONE DEAL ON JULY 8
HEAT ROSTER BREAKING NEWS MIAMI HEAT SECRET miami heat roster MIAMI HEAT 2010 STARTING 5
LeBron James Small Forward
Dwyane Wade Guard
Chris Bosh Forward-Center
Amar’e Stoudemire Power Forward
Carlos Boozer Forward-Center
wtf?
"look, you can find any coach you want, bring him in here and run the situation. But I don't think they are going to do as good a job as I do." -Mike Dunleavy Sr.
by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Jun 29, 2010 5:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Wow that was the first time I have seen spam by a non bot
and it doesn’t even make sense, the only place that team is possible is an all star team.
LeBron or Bust !!!!
Boozer makes amend
from robbing a blind guy. Will sign for the minimum to balance out his karma.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jun 29, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Good Post
Very good post Steve.
I also think we won’t get any of those big name free agents and i wouldn’t want us to be the team that pays $15 mil a year to Rudy Gay.
Still, there’s a third option i really think we should pursue and that’s using our cap space to trade for guys still under contract.
We could help teams like the Pistons(Prince), Spurs(Jefferson) etc. and could add something extra like a draft pick or young player.
Though, i wouldn’t want to deal with the Bulls, cause Deng is someone i don’t see fitting with our roster(no outside shooting) and he’s owed way too much money.
I think you are on the right track
But both of those guys are expiring. It wouldn’t be much help to them to just absorb the contract.
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
i like the 1 year rental though
They are both experienced and have played on winning teams and can be good leaders for our young guys, especially Aminu at the SF spot.
Fine
But if you are the Spurs or the Pistons why do that trade?
You can keep the expiring contracts and trade them for players now or just let them expire anyway. Trading them for a TPE reduces your flexibility. It doesn’t help.
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
If I'm the Spurs or Pistons I don't do that trade
Maybe the Spurs so they can try to do something before Duncan retires but I doubt it. They’d be better off making a trade at the deadline so they can get an actual piece instead of just cap space. I’m just commenting on the idea of Prince and Jefferson for 1 year rentals.
Depends..
on what those teams want to do.
The Spurs could trade for something else(Jefferson never fit their team) and the Pistons have got younger guys(Daye etc.) at that position and could add something else as well.
Though, those have just been ideas and there are surely other guys that might fit and could be a more realistic possibility.
I just don’t want us to panic and overspend for a guy like Gay or even John Salmons, cause i can easily see a team panicing and spending something like $8 mil a year for a guy like Salmons, just so they can say we’ve signed someone..
I like Prince over Jefferson
He’s from Compton for crying out loud. Not sure if Detroit is offering him up for salary dump though when Detroit could wait for the trade deadling to try to get a better deal.
No Rudy Gay please
He’s not a shooter or a defender, not quite the SF spreading wing that we need.
Steve I hope you are not cursing us and now the reverse mojo is going to make us stuck with Rudy. I may have to boycott all your posts if that happens because I have to blame someone and that would be a cruel fate.
Great now the following is going to happen
LBJ and Wade will pair up in NYC, although the clippers will probably sign JJ because you said they shouldn’t (although I think they should, but max would be a little high for him). At least if the clippers don’t sign anyone now they can sell it as developing the youth and talent they currently have.
LeBron or Bust !!!!
If they do sign JJ then it can be sold as a playoff team
Is he worth the max? I dunno but that’s what he definitely will get, Atlanta is going to offer it to him for 6 years.
If I'm a free agent that wants a ring, but is not part of the emerging Lebron or Wade super-team...
life will suck if signing with an Eastern conference team:
Orlando, team-Lebron and/or team-Wade along with the never-want-to-play-them-in-the-playoffs Celtics
great article on explaining different situation on player movement and teams with cap
but your prediction analysis is off IMO. First the assumption that LeBron and Wade can’t play together is the worst assumption ever, but do not worry you are not the only one who has been saying this. Second, you say that LeBron can’t play with Wade but is all of a sudden a great fit for Chicago where Rose dominates the ball so much, and would be wasted as a spot up shooter? Third, rumors are abound that if NY loses out on Bosh and LeBron, D’Antoni wants to get Johnson and Amare. For NY this would be teh best fit since they already are familiar with the coach and system.
Can not or will not?
I said they will not.
I didn’t say that it’s a great fit in Chicago… in fact I agree that Rose plus LeBron is a similar issue. But I think that’s where he’ll end up nonetheless. Big difference between sharing the ball/spotlight with Wade in Miami and doing that with Rose in Chicago. Big difference.
Worst assumption ever? That seems like a bit of hyperbole. How about when I assumed that the American people would never vote for someone as obviously unintelligent as George W. Bush? At this point, that seems like it might have been a worse assumption. And that’s just off the top of my head.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Jun 29, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I am not saying you are the only one who has said this; I was saying that many people are saying this
even many people who are called “experts.” I am just tired of hearing that assessment; if I was GM of a team I would be more than enthralled to have DWade and LeBron combine for 65-75% usage for my team. As the free agency period approaches I hear this misnomer more and more, but it is very shortsighted to believe that the two can’t coexist.
As in regards to the hyperbole, I should have clarified it with “worst assumption ever when it comes to this years free agency”
Same here
I would have promised that the American people would not fall for the vapant bromides and flowery rhetoric of and unknown and vastly inexperienced man in 2008, especially on the heels of the GWB experiment.
Lesson: it’s really hard to predict what people will do.
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
Palin
they made a mistake and put a even more inexperienced person a heartbeat away from the next Presidency.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jun 29, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
300 Million Americans
and these are the best people we can come up with.
Sad.
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
NEW JERSEY NETS JUST GOT MORE CAP SPACE
New Jersey traded Yi Jianlin to Washington for Quinton Ross… they have agreed in principal. Now New Jersey now has $30 million to go after 2 free agents which is still just 1 max contract plus a major hefty sum for another close to max if they should choose, and you know the Russian wants to choose.
good for the Nyets
but what the hell is Washington doing?
Washington has made some decent moves so far.
They added Kirk Hinrich, who I am sure any GM would want, and they have now added a young SF in Yi. Now if they can ship Arenas out of town, they will have done a great job this summer.
They are just digging through the trash
No real risk with Yi, he’s a expiring deal or a RFA for them. The guy is a talented big who could improve. If he doesn’t then they can let him go. All they gave up was some cap space they weren’t going to throw at a FA anyways.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jun 29, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
With this move the Nets just got a lot better.
They have a nice young group of players to put around two really good free agents.
I guess the Russian Billionaire wasn;t blowing smoke when he said they would win an NBA title in the next five years.
I could see Lebron going to the Nets if they can get a guy like Wade or Johnson to come along.
PG Harris
SG Johnson
SF Lebron
PF Favors
C Lopez
That's a sick young team
But Joe Johnson would have to take a little less than max because they aren’t quite there on the books yet and I don’t really see him doing that when being offered the max from another team or Atlanta for sure.
Yeah, I know
I really don’t see JJ going back to Atlanta. He said some things to those fansd and they booed him in the final playoff game.
He will be on one of four teams next year…..The Clippers, Bulls, Nets, or Knicks.
I don't think JJ will leave $30M on the table
ATL will give him the Max
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
I think Amare or Boozer make more sense
and Boozer at least will take less than the max (they can offer him 13 million a year). Favors is talented but he’s also just a rookie. He’d provide good depth at the 4 and 5 right away and could grow into a star. Courtney Lee is good enough to be a 5th starter, he already made it to the Finals once as a rookie SG.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jun 29, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I have haerd you say this once before....
Anyways….Just b/c C-Lee made it to the Finals on a loaded Magic team does not mean he is anything other than just a role player.
If he was so good or even a starter, the Magic would have kept him.
Faulty reasoning
The Magic didn’t trade him because he wasn’t a starter. That’s just a baseless comment. They traded him because they needed to make up for losing Hedo, and they felt Carter was a good replacement.
You can’t get Carter for nothing. So obviously they had to trade Lee.
Nobody’s saying Lee is an All-Star. But you can be a role player and a 5th starter. Your position doesn’t necessarily conflict with what Chuck is saying.
yeah....
I just think saying “he made it to the NBA Finals as a rookie” means nothing. He wasn’t the reason the Magic made it that far.
C-Lee had just 6 double digit scoring games in 21 playoff games in 2009.
Didn't say he was the reason they made the finals
but he also didn’t keep them from making the Finals. Devin Harris actually made a Finals too. If they land Boozer or Amare those guys have made Conference Finals. Anyways the point is you can have a very very good team even if Courtney Lee-type role player is your 5th starter (see Devean George, Derek Fisher, Trevor Ariza, Fabricio Oberto, etc etc.)
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jun 29, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
The Hawks have had the same team for three years....
They will not be winning a championship or making an NBA Finals any time soon…..JJ is gone.
My turn
Wade stays in Miami. That is certain.
Bosh goes to Chicago in a sign and trade for the Max.
Joe Johnson stays in ATL for the 6 year Max.
Amare goes to New York.
Boozer goes to Miami.
Gay goes to New Jersey.
And LeBron…who knows?
Cleveland out of loyalty.
Chicago because he loves MJ.
Dallas in a sign & trade for promising not to go the Chicago.
Miami, because teaming up with Wade is his best chance to win.
New York, because it’s the Big Apple.
New Jersey, because he wants to be a Russian Billionaire, too.
Los Angeles, because we hope so.
This next week is going to be crazy.
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
The second tier
It sounds like we need to analyze the optimal strategy for the piecemeal approach.
My guess is that the Clips will be dropped quickly by LBJ, make a non-max offer to JJ, and I’m hoping they resist making an offer to Gay. They’ll pass on Gay, partly because of what SP notes, that they’ll have to sit around and wait on the Grizzlies, while deals are being made for other guys.
But beyond Childress, Salmons, Miller, Barnes, Korver and Steve Blake, I don’t know about very many other guys. If the Clips are headed in that direction, we could use a master list I guess.
Childress might be an option, but he would cost more then the MLE.
Salmons is someone I wouldn’t want, cause he’ll get too much money and is more of a sg.
Mike Miller will join some contender for the MLE, which means he won’t come here.
Matt Barnes would only come if we’d overpay for him and will proably go the same route as Miller.
Korver would be a nice shooter off the bench, but would cost us.
Steve Blake won’t come back after we just drafted our back up point guard in Eric Bledsoe.
Like i’ve said before, I think we should try to trade for some parts.
The Warriors seem to be in cost cutting mode and maybe we could get Ronny Turiaf(2 years/$8 mil) and Kelenna Azubuike(1 year/$3.4 mil) for part of our cap space.
Then I would talk to Atlanta(if they loose JJ and might be interested to save some money for something else) and try to get Marvin Williams for another part of our salary cap and maybe a future pick.
Our team would then look like this:
Davis/Bledson/Warren
Gordon/Azubuike/Warren
Williams/Aminu
Griffin/ Turiaf
Kaman/Jordan
We could then try to fill out our roster with some proven vet pg for the vet minímum and maybe add another big for front court depth.
Could Clips afford Barnes, Frye and J. Howard? Two of those and Sofo?
Agree that piecemeal approach makes the most sense. If they could afford those three you would have a 10-man rotation of:
Davis
Bledsoe
Gordon
Barnes
Aminu
Howard
Frye
Griffin
Kaman
Jordan
That’s a versatile and talented group. In lieu of all three, can one FA be swapped out for what Sofo would/will command?
Or what about Livingston?
Per citizen zhiv, someone should put together a list of all the FA’s with an expected salary range.
I have come to hate Bulls fans
Most I have read are so damn cocky with their two man team of Rose and Varejao with a bigger role called Noah. This team has none of the pieces that fit Lebron no shooters, bench,

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