BDizzle for Delonte West and Mo Williams?
by gskow on Jun 7, 2010 2:52 PM PDT
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Cleveland is trying to dump both of those players; any chance they swap both for Baron? Would you do that trade? It checks out on the ESPN trade machine, with Mo having 3 years left on his contract and Delonte having 2 years left. Baron has four left. Clippers lose ability to offer max contract, but free up future financial flexibility.
If they did this deal, drafted Aminu, and picked up two solid free agents with their remaining cap room (Matt Barnes and Jared Jeffries? Josh Howard? Livingston?), I think they put themselves in a good position to be competitive in the near-term and grow into a serious contender down the line:
PG - Mo/Delonte
SG - Gordon/Barnes/Delonte
SF - Jeffries/Aminu/Barnes
PF - Blake/Jeffries
C - Kaman/DeAndre
Add in Sofo and the 10-man rotation ain't too shabby. The team could then eye their PG of the future in the 2011 draft (Kyrie Irving or Brandon Knight?) when they get Minny's pick.
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Only reason I’d do it is to waive West and save $4 million. That’s the only reason.
I hate that Mo Williams has two player options, each for $8.5 million, after next season.
If the Clippers could convince him to opt out after next year, I’d be for that.
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And we get Minnesota’s pick in 2012, unless they finish outside of the top ten in 2011.
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Baron has 3 years left
Same as Mo Williams (technically Mo has 2 but he would certainly exercise the player option as he won’t be getting 8.5 million in 2 years when he is 31) and West has just one year left on his deal but it is non-guaranteed so the Clips could clear cap space. I’m not sure why either team would want to do this, Mo Williams is a slight downgrade from Baron and has struggled mightily in the playoffs the past 2 years while Baron is a aging 31 year old PG. I’m not a fan of making a trade just for the sake of making a trade but this trade doesn’t really benefit either team.
Jeffries isn’t a FA by the way, he has a player option for 6.8 million this year which he will definitely exercise.
FA in 2010.
we might as well keep baron. their contracts are the same length, and its not like waiving delonte for 4 million would matter. we’d have 4 million more cap space this year to spend on probably at best a marginal player if we signa max guy.
if we dont sign a max guy we have tons of cap space anyway so its not going ot make a huge difference. that and baron is way way way better than mo williams.
Interesting
Hadn’t really thought of this, but I guess BD’s value is kind of on the rise this off-season. At least, it’s a little higher than it was last year around this time.
Sorry
I don’t like that lineup at all, in fact it hurts my eyes.
weak line-up
Mo
EJ
Jeffries
Blake
Kaman
Nope, sorry that will not get it done. What are we trying to do become the Knicks?
At 29-53... we ARE the Knicks.
But we’ve got “better players” though, right?
It’s always interesting how we look down our noses at a lousy team when we as fans are fans of a team that’s exactly as lousy as that other team.
Get a grip, people. At least the Knicks have experienced some sort of success in the last 2 decades.
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Jun 7, 2010 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s true the Clippers and Knicks had the same record last year but we have the 1st overall pick from last year and the 8th pick in the draft this year. In comparison the Knicks have cap room for 2 max players period and they lose David Lee, Chris Duhon and Al Harrington from a 29-53 team. Thanks to Eddy Curry’s huge contract eating away at the cap space the Knicks only have a few players even left (Gallinari, Douglas and Chandler) so next year is probably a early playoff exit even if Lebron and Bosh went to there.
FA in 2010.
Ugh.
Yes, we ALWAYS seem to have a high draft pick. Doesn’t that tell you something?
Here’s what you wrote tells me…
That no matter how high we end up in the draft, no matter how many “great” players we have on our squad, no matter how many “at least we’re not the Knicks” jokes we make here and no matter how pathetically the Knicks have been run, their players have stopped playing and the fans have stopped caring, they’ve STILL won 13 more games than us since 2007.
Yes, “Boom Dizzle” has definitely made the difference since he’s been here and there’s no way we can trade him.
Wow, indeed.
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Jun 7, 2010 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Last I checked the Knicks don’t have any 1st round draft picks this year or in 2012 and they traded away their last 1st round pick (Jordan Hill) for the corpse of Tracy McGrady. That gives them a pretty grim outlook for the years to come.
Trading Baron Davis is about as easy as trading Luol Deng. You know he’s a decent player still but is anyone willingly to take him off your hands without giving you back something even worse?
FA in 2010.
Really?
You want to tell me how well our top draft picks have worked out for us?
Exactly.
For the Knicks, it’s all about creating cap space and getting out from under some horrible contracts. And they’re doing it. The McGrady move was done specifically for the relief it will soon provide. the harrington contract is actually fairly moveable for a player who puts up Rashard Lewis numbers but actually plays a little D.
And Deng at 26 and a SF is infinitely more moveable than 31 year old PG Baron.
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Jun 7, 2010 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Shows what you know
they don’t have Harrington’s contract to move anymore. The Knicks can add 2 max free agents and surround them with Douglas, Gallinari and Chandler. That’s it. No bench, no mid level exceptions. They then have to figure out a way to turn Curry’s expiring contract into something.
I’m not even sure which team you are for… so what do you mean by us. You a Knicks fan, a Bulls fan. So I can’t really comment on how well your team has fared in the draft.
FA in 2010.
I make one mistake and it "shows what I know"? Aww, ClipperChuck...
Are you cranky and looking for a way to get back at me for disproving every incorrect bit of information you were writing in the other post?
P.S. I’m a Clipper fan. I’m just not a bury-my-head-in-the-sand type of fan and I’m not an “all of our players are worth way, waaaay more than your crappy players even though we win less that 30 games a season” type of fan. I’m a realist.
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Jun 7, 2010 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions
What incorrect info?
In recent years the team has drafted like a normal team. I used to suspect that they just paid $49.99 a year for a ESPN Insider account and let Chad Ford do all the work but now it appears they might spring a few extra ducats for premium cable so they can follow an occasional game on ESPN2.
And Baron’s trade value is comparable to Deng’s, especially when you factor in their costs 3 years for $41.5 million (Baron) versus 4 years for $50 million (Deng).
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jun 7, 2010 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Anything that involves Jared Jeffries starting
I’m going to pass up. I’d rather play Blake at SF and rotate Deandre to starting C then play Jeffries at the 3.
Done in a second
Upgrade a couple guard spots without taking on extra salary this year or long term? Who wouldn’t do this?
This doesn’t appear to prevent the Clippers from offering a max deal. If it did then just let West go.
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
"free up future financial flexibility"
didn’t we just spend 3 years doing that, and you want to open cap space for the huge 2013 free agency? Besides this line up is terrible. Who the hell is Jared Jefferies
This post must have been started
by Isiah Thomas himself.
Do that
And no lebron. Even if the cllips only have a 10% shot a getting lebron delonte coming here means no lebron. And why would the clips help the cavs keep the guy the clippers suit. Not to mention mo is not a real pg he likes to shoot it a whole lot not to mention i’ve met him in person and he’s not a nice dude. Doesnt like to sign autographs or even really acknowledge fans. I will say Felton was nice to the clipper fans and people in genreal. The clips need guys who arent going to stunt the growth of the young guys. Mo is a prick and cant do anything in the playoffs (hope the clips get there) and no offense to West but the clippers dont need guns being brought to the staple center. There’s already enough of that with laker fans.
This is a terrible deal
West is going to try to get at Mrs Griffin and ruin us for the next 10 years
I love that girl, haha
She tells it how it is….we should try to bring her over to the other side. If she can stand watching every Knicks game, she can be a Clipper fan :-P
Yeah i don't know what Jared Jeffries you've seen play
but the one I know, pretty much sucks.
Jeffries is a quality defender and rebounder … but sucks at everything else. Sums it up perfectly.
Twitter: @FlyByKnite
Actually, he’s not even a quality rebounder. He’s someone who should be a quality rebounder but sucks at that too.
Twitter: @FlyByKnite
get baron some help,
who is the best player he has played with as a clipper, Z Bo, people need to stop blaming him and get him some help, i agree he is has been a frustrating player so far but the cavs problems arent the clipper soltutions
But the Clippers problem was Memphis's solution?
We never know what Mo Williams can do for Clippers. But of course, like you, I don’t believe this trade would work out either.
Trade Baron
Please do so, both players mentioned can not be any worse than BD. Time for BD to go, I for one no longer care for his lack of hustle and poor attitude. Goodbye BD
Did you catch last season?
or did you just watch 2 seasons ago, because Baron has been hustling this season.
Well, at least our team leader has been "hustling" this season....
Jeez.
Are people STILL defending Baron Davis? After 2 seasons of nothing?
Baron’s 2 seasons in Clipper-land:
15 points per game with a FG percentage of less than .400 and a 3 point FG percentage of less than .300. Mediocre numbers for a team’s “star” who’s 31 years old and making over 12 MILLION a year.
But really, the only numbers that matter are 48-116. That would be the team’s won loss record since BD started “leading” the squad.
The guy has brought absolutely zero to make this team any better or bring it any closer to making the playoffs. And any fan making the “injuries” excuse can go back to burying their heads in the sand. The Blazers were absolutely DECIMATED by injuires this year and still managed to win 50 games and make the playoffs.
But hey, we’ve still got that “BOOM-DIZZLE” nickname to use all the time! I mean, that’s cool, right?
P.S. I think “BOOM-DIZZAPPOINTMENT” is actually a more appropriate nickname.
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Jun 8, 2010 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Well....
the Clippers were 23-59 the year before he arrived and then went 19-63 the next year. So the fact they won 29 games this year is a substantial improvement.
And no one is really going out of there way to defend Baron. We are all disappointed in his numbers since he’s been here but trading a dinged up Toyota for even worse conditioned toyota doesn’t help the Clippers either.
FA in 2010.
Wow. 19 to 29 is a "substantial improvement"?
Now that’s pretty embarrassing.
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Jun 8, 2010 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions
That is
Memphis improved 16 games, Thunder improved a incredible 27 games, aside from that no other team improved more in terms of games won. Not bad considering the only real change in players was Zach Randolph for Craig Smith and Rasual Butler.
FA in 2010.
Baron might be traded
I read that a blog started by a Indiana Pacers fan is picking up a little heat. The deal is supposed to be Baron Davis to the Pacers for T.J. Ford, Brandon Rush and the No. 10 Pick.
Dont know how much accuracy this has behind it though
Sounds like none
so a bunch of Pacer fans are excited about the idea? Doesn’t mean the team is involved. That would be a good trade for us though. Ford’s contract expires this year and Brandon Rush is a solid player.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jun 8, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
A blog as the source
If that was a credible source then the lakers deal for bynum to Wash for John Wall would have been true for the finals.
The Pacers would trade Brandon Rush in a nano-second
The Pacers would love to get rid of Brandon Rush and TJ Ford. Rush should be a solid player but he’s not. The Pacers have given Rush every opportunity to succeed but he plays too passively. Just prior to the trade deadline the Pacers and Bobcats came very close to making a deal that would have sent Rush and TJ Ford to Carolina for DJ Augustin, Nazr Mohammed, and Gerald Henderson. The Pacers would like to get rid of TJ Ford but who would want him for $8 million+. He’s a cancer on the team.
pacer fan here
TJ is not a cancer on the team.. he just has a game that is completely opposite of what our dumbass coach wants, which is absolutely no dribbling and tons of passing. TJ has to dribble a lot to be effective and O’Brien won’t allow it. TJ was demoted for this and was completely respectful during the entire process.
before TJ got the Pacers, he had never missed the playoffs.. there is something to be said for that.
regardless of all of that, no way the pacers send their 10th pick for b. davis. why would we want a player that plays 50 games a year and has a terrible contract?
That’s a lot for Indiana to give up. Not to mention that I think they wanna keep Ford’s expiring. The Pacers will have $45,424,540 in expiring contracts leaving their team after next season. Those are the contracts of Troy Murphy, Mike Dunleavy, T.J. Ford, Jeff Foster, Jamaal Tinsley, Solomon Jones, and Josh McRoberts. Their lineup after next season will feature Brandon Rush, Josh McRoberts, Tyler Hansbrough, and Roy Hibbert. They have the #10 pick this year and odds are that they’re leaning towards someone who can run the point, such as Eric Bledsoe or Avery Bradley. That team might be loaded in the near future. They’re building the right way.
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Really?
They have the #10 pick this year and odds are that they’re leaning towards someone who can run the point, such as Eric Bledsoe or Avery Bradley. That team might be loaded in the near future. They’re building the right way.
FA in 2010.
The Pacers are building the right way?
That team might be loaded in the near future. They’re building the right way.
First off drafting Bledsoe at the 10th pick is awful and Bradley isn’t a PG either. To say a team with Psycho T, Brandon Rush, Roy Hibbert “loaded” is utterly ridiculous. All of those guys are role players at best, the only above average player they have that’ under contract past this year is Danny Granger. They are a far far way from being loaded.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jun 9, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I actually said they “might be loaded” in the near future. I think Rush is a solid player and Hibbert can be a quality center in the NBA. Granger is a damn fine player and Hansbrough is an energy big that could play solid minutes for them. He did average 8.5 points and 4.8 rebounds in 17.6 minutes this season. Is that an amazing team? Not really. However, they’re gonna have cap space to go after some quality free agents in upcoming future. I don’t think Bledsoe is a good player, either, but he might fit that system. And Bradley might not be a pure point guard but he’s the exact same type of player Russell Westbrook was two years ago except he has a jumper and is slightly less athletic. Either way, it works.
Bradley, Rush, Granger, Hansbrough, and Hibbert is a solid foundation for that team when you consider the fact that they’ll have money to spend in the future. They’d feature a promising draft pick (Bradley), a good shooter (Rush), a great wing (Granger), a solid rebounder (Hansbrough), and a defensively dominant big (Hibbert). They’d have, roughly, $32.5 million in money to spend on free agents after this upcoming season. That’s more than enough to get some quality guys in there to help round out the team. In 2011, you’ll have unrestricted free agents like Glen Davis, Delonte West, Carmelo Anthony (ETO), Tayshaun Prince, J.R. Smith, Shane Battier, Zach Randolph, David West (ETO), Samuel Dalembert, Jason Richardson, Tony Parker, and Carl Landry. The Pacers, conceivably, could wind up with a lineup of Parker, Rush, Granger, West, and Hibbert while featuring a bench of guys like Bradley, Price, Hansbrough, and a few other draft picks.
I just like the way the Pacers are building. They’re setting up for one huge run at free agency while possessing younger, quality, players that they can build with if they’re not able to sign high-profile free agents. Do I think Bledsoe or Bradley will be the savoir for that franchise? Not particularly. I believe Bradley is going to be a great player in the NBA no matter where he ends up. I just don’t believe it’s prudent to write off the Pacers as if they’re a joke of a team right now for the way that they’re building.
Twitter: @FlyByKnite
Ah
ok that’s where we really disagree. I found it to be a bit of an oxymoron to say picking either Bledsoe or Bradley at 10th as building the right way. But that’s also because I think both Bledsoe and Bradley are not going to be good players in the NBA.
FA in 2010.
I’m not sold on Bledsoe but I know Indiana has been looking at him. And I’m actually pretty high on Bradley. I love his defense and I love his shot. Those are two things that will keep you in the league. I think he’s learning how to run the point and will be an effective ball-handler. I just like how Indiana is building their team.
Twitter: @FlyByKnite
Hibbert and Granger are nice but other than that..
They’ve been drafting bench players. I kind of like Bradley for them as well but it’s a reach and it’s especially bad since we’re coming off arguably the deepest PG draft of all-time and the Pacers took a tweener forward who may never be anything more than a bench player. (They also dumped Jerryd Bayless for Rush.)
Drafting aside, they are, however, rebuilding the right way by holding onto their expiring contracts but I think they HAVE to make some deals this year because I just don’t think relying on free agency is going to work for them. Not a lot of players are looking forward to going to Indianapolis and none of their young guys look like they’ll ever amount to being more than role players and Granger needs legit help.
The problem with the above trade idea is that I don’t think Baron’s trade value is that high and I doubt that the Pacers would want to give up the #10 pick for an aging, injury prone player with a fairly big contract. They’d probably just offer an expiring and Rush or Hansbrough and I could see that not being enough for the Clippers.
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Jeffries isn't a free agent; he has one year left.
That’s why the Knicks gave up a pick (and the rights to swap another pick) for McGrady’s expiring deal.
I don’t know if the Knicks go for it but I think that Baron for Eddy Curry’s expiring deal and Wilson Chandler works. The Knicks do it because they need a live body on their roster if they want to get some free agents there. It’s tough to get players to sign their prime years away on a roster with nothing but three guys best suited for SF (Chandler, Gallinari, Bill Walker) and Toney Douglas. The Clippers dump Baron’s salary and add a guy who could be their starting SF or a versatile sixth man for years to come.
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