Here we go! Clips Meeting with Lebron Right Now.
by madglove on Jul 2, 2010 11:07 AM PDT
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Heat just leaving, talking with Clippers officials in hallway as they come in.
Clippers exec Andy Roesner & GM Neil Olshey were Clippers entire delegation. Roesner joked with Heat that they'd be brief.
No Donald Sterling for Clips. But then again, that may be a good thing for their pitch.
Heat had no comment, meeting lasted nearly 3 hours with lunch. They were in building for nearly 4 hours.
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Joked with Heat that they'd be brief?
What does that mean? Andy Roeser already going in there expecting to fail?
The Heat talked with him for like three hours. That’s a long time. Roeser was making a joke about taking considerably less time.
Twitter: @FlyByKnite
Yeah I imagined the heat conference went something like
What about this, okay what about this, well we could do that. While all the clippers have to say is “Sign the contract and our roster is pretty much set”. Will the clippers have any money at all to spend if they sign Lebron to a max contract?
LeBron or Bust !!!!
they also had a good 20 minutes of Alonzo Mourning talking about his kidney transplant
tears and hugs took another 5 minutes and a short 10 minute break to regroup
Truth
Clippers pitch would be as follows:
Look. We need a 3 and you so happen to be a 3. A real good 3. We’re deep and have a team set for you, unlike the other chumps. So … yea …
I heard Lebron and Co hired a small production company to film the whole experience with each club
Seems like the Clips could have an advantage here given Neil is a former Actor (soap operas)
Hope it goes better than this....
Olshey: “How are you Lebron?”
Lebron: “Good….but sorry guys it is a no.”
Hey if it's a no - not a bad thing to learn that early on I suppose
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Not bringing Blake was a bad move
IMO… I still remember last season when the cavs were in town and Lebron made it a point to come over to the clippers bench after the game and talk to Blake. That stuck in my mind.
I bet the Clips execs don't even know that happened.
Lisa agrees with you (and me since I said this yesterday):
reallisa
No surprise guest with Neil and Andy. Would have been nice move to bring along Blake Griffin
He will have Lebron signing with the clippers before he even knows what happened
LeBron or Bust !!!!
I truely believe
that Lebron wants to be a Clipper. He just wants to be convinced by the Clippers organization. He wants them to give him a very compeling reason to do it.
"Excellence...is not an act, but a habit" Aristotle
by Cliptomaniac on Jul 2, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Well their meeting went much shorter than all the other meetings.
So either they’re VERY compelling…or the opposite.
PDcavsinsider
LeBron actually has a background with Olshey, met him when LBJ was 18. Still Roeser & Olshey w/no coach, owner or player looked weak.
Same thing I said yesterday.
I hate our franchise.
Well the no owner thing is probably a good thing, but yeah probably should have brought BG
LeBron or Bust !!!!
The Clips are idiots
As I said before, the ONE main question Lebron would have about our franchise is what? The owner. Will the owner do what it takes to build a championship???
So gee, does it make sense to bring the ONE DUDE who Lebron would want to hear from?
Olshey and Roeser can say whatever they want. But Lebron will want to hear it from the donkey…er….horse’s mouth.
Not convincing DTS to go was an epic miscalculation.
Unless of course they were never serious to begin with.
You have no idea what you're talking about
Windhorst has been tweeting the meetings the last two days and actually hasn’t said A SINGLE negative thing about the Nets, Knicks or Heat.
Haha.
Yeah, Windhorst is on top of things. Very good source of info. By the way, did anyone see Simmons’ latest tweet about the meeting?
LeBron’s 2nd question: “That guy Sterling, does he still own the team? He does? Thanks for coming, fellas. Safe trip back.”
I just expect douchey comments that HE thinks are funny, like the above quote
I used to like Bill Simmons until I learned about his view on the Clippers. Anyone who has to begrudgingly buy season tickets isn’t really all that welcome to the game in my mind.
He contantly recites the same jokes over and over again
I’m already sick of the Kobe “but he went 7 for 27 from the field” MVP Bryant jokes.
by Michael White on Jul 2, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
ahh
No worries! I think everyone around these parts are antsy.
I can’t even think of a witty analogy that’d suffice that thoughts of possibilities ..
Personally,
I would think having Sterling on hand would be better off. Reputation aside, if you are seriously going to convince L.James to sign, might as well not dance around the issue at hand. Any guarantees of not being lame should be coming from Sterling’s mouth directly.
We've seen DTS in action.
I don’t blame Neil for not bringing him, the man can’t be taken seriously. Do what Riles did and convince LeBron they have a willing-to-spend owner who won’t meddle.
But I can’t see the logic in NOT bringing Griffin.
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's doing down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Jul 2, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Uh...Riles doesn't need to convince him.
The Heat owner has a track record for that.
The Clips DO need to convince Lebron. And nobody but DTS could do that given his track record.
I guess it’s all moot. A smart man wouldn’t believe a thing DTS says either.
I think the reason they're not bringing Blake
is because they will be literally handing over the keys to the Clippers to Lebron. And they probably think it would be a little belittling to Blake to hear what they are going to say.
"Excellence...is not an act, but a habit" Aristotle
by Cliptomaniac on Jul 2, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
great point
i was pretty upset about griffin not being there but this does make sense
Why dind't we bring Griffin and Baron
Clippers being lazy
Isn't BD
still in Africa?…
Not sure where BG is…maybe they have them on a conference call though. Who knows.
Do or do not. There is no try.
This is one of...scratch that this is the most important event in Clipper history
You bring every assest to the table. Pat Riley put on a presentation I don’t think our guys are ready
Do you really think the manner of presentation matters?
If that’s the case, then we simply are not ready because we have not had a good winning season in a long time and have no track record of competeent management. In our favor, we are in the process of completely revamping management after a long slow burn.
I’d rather just walk in there and be honest with LBJ about the situation which appears to be what they are doing. They have righted the ship, they have a good roster that would compliment LBJ, they play in a major media market, the Kobe / LBJ duels would be epic and would take place in Staples eight times a year during the regular season, and more in the playoffs, Hollywood, etc.
Yeah, they have a crazy owner and the poor management track record. If that’s the sticking point there’s nothing we can do about it now. We just are not ready.
It is what it is.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
I was thinking about that
What is it – 3x or 4x each on each other’s home court? Or just 2x each?
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Yes it matters
It matters BECAUSE of everything you just said. A team like ours NEEDS an impressive presentation. Everyone expects our team to do something lame and low cost. No imagination, no inspiration…nothing.
Your approach makes zero sense. If that’s what they were gonna do, then just don’t show up. “It is what it is?” I hope you don’t tell your jury that (if you’re a litigator).
A team like the Lakers can go in there and say straight forward “Dude, we’re the Lakers. Proven track record. 17 championships. IT IS WHAT IT IS. Sign here.”
For the Clips, “it is what it is” means “Yeah we suck so thanks for letting us just hang out with you…those Nikes are so cool. Can I have a soda?”
I heard this was the start of the meeting.
“Lebron, Neil Olshey here. I’m sure you remember but I was one of 60 camp counselors you had at the Adidas ABCD high school camp. As a token of appreciation for the honor of granting us this meeting, I’d like you to accept these specially commissioned Red White and Blue size 18 Adidas shoes with James embossed on the back. Pretty sweet, eh?”
Next went this
“Lebron, Andy Roeser here. We’re looking to add some punch off the bench. so we’re letting you be the first to know we’re signing Delonte West to a 4 year, 20 mill deal. You intrigued now? No? Well then, roll the videotape….There’s the Ivy, Cheesecake Factory, Cut, Benihana’s (We have 5 in LA), In n Out, Pizzeria Mozza. Come to LA!”
by RAR on Jul 2, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I was underwhelmed with Pizzeria Mozza.
by Michael White on Jul 2, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmm
people are impressed with Cheesecake Factory? I think Benihana’s was founded in NY. Should show him Phillipe’s and Cole’s (one of which invented the french dip) and hmmm… not sure what other culinary dish LA invented… Kogi tacos?
FA in 2010.
Funny how you always rip Olshey
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Sure - when something's funny
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Curious
Did your “insider” ever confirm the reported Elton fight?
by RAR on Jul 2, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Haven't had a chance to ask yet
I’ve heard about an EB fight at some point in the past – I just can’t recall what it was. Putting quotes around the term insider doesn’t change what he is. He’s pretty high up there.
I thought you had insider connections of some sort
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 2, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I do.
I was just checking if you could confirm, given the rather obvious clue on which player I gave.
by RAR on Jul 2, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Since you said Maryland I assume you're referring to Wilcox
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 2, 2010 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Huh - ok I'm on it
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 2, 2010 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Lakers play Clips 4 times a year, not 8.
As fun as a Kobe-:Lebron Staples matchup would be, they’ll still play at least twice a year even if he’s on the east coast. Those matchups are great cuz they only play twice a year, so there is great build-up. Only thing different if he joined Clips is they’d be in the same building.
Right they would play 2x more and all four in LA in the same building
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Lebron isn't going to want to go to a franchise with a stoners mentality
Succcessful people make power moves they don’t throw their hands up and say whatever dude here we are. That kind of stuff is what the clippers want to leave from make him believe beyond the media hate the Clippers want to win and his soliders are ready to go to war with him to take the West.
That's not what I said
I said that they do not need pageantry. They need honesty. They need to be real. They need to get down and dirty and explain how he is going to thrive on that team.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Bringing players along would be nice for kicks-and-giggles
However BG is just icing that isn’t needed right now. The management would need to still concentrate on the only real pressing issue that is at hand. Who cares if BD and BG are on hand. They don’t address the Sterling issue at all. We all know what LA has to offer.
Did any other players go?
I don’t think so. No Derrick Rose.
Other owners? Dolan went, but was Mickey Arizen, or whatever his name was, there for the Heat? Bulls owner?
People make up things to criticize the Clips.
I’m going with support for Olshey and his comment that “we’ll be brief.” Other teams are putting together much more complicated scenarios. The Clipper pitch is simple.
Another aspect, I was going to note below, is that I believe the Clips are holding off on hiring Casey (or VDN) until after this meeting, in order to give LBJ the choice. Instead of “you don’t have a coach,” their presentation is, we’re ready to hire Casey, we’re ready to hire VDN, contrasting styles, your call. Or another coach, if you have one in mind.
yeah, it was different. different might stand out.
if Lebron is serious about winning – fluff and sparkle won’t mean much in the end.
Like it Zhiv
I think some of the presentations are complicated and hard to put in there because so many things are unknown – rosters, 2nd MC FA. With ours, it IS as simple as – “We have a cracking young roster, no bad contracts, no bad characters, we need a leader to take these young stars to the promise land. We have 2 coaches in mind (as per Zhiv’s post). We want you to create your own history in the NBA and the best way to do that is with the Clippers”.
Bingo! Oh me oh my!
I Was Thinking The Same Thing...
It is not "pick your own coach (which shows we do not know what we are doing), but rather, “We’ve narrowed our search down to two incredible candidates. Lebron, which would you choose? Is there someone else we missed?” It shows confidence AND gives Lebron a say-so. If you ask me, it is a good move.
When we win the NBA Championship, it will be that much sweeter!
Like I always tell my staff...
If you come to me with a question, you’d better have a solution ready. It may not be the one I want, but I want to see that you have some confidence, and that you have done the work.
I honestly don't understand how bringing players like BG or BD would help.
how? so LeBron could see that they really are on the team?
so LeBron could see that they really do want to play with him?
… because he didn’t know all of that already.
what team took players with them?
did Rose join the Bulls brass?
was Lopez with the NJ FO?
no, because it wouldn’t make a difference.
and DTS going is a ‘damned if you do, damned if you don’t’ scenario. give Olshey and Roser a break. jeez.
I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
They aren’t stupid. They’re definitely aware of the welcome mat that has been laid out for LBJ by the other teams that seem to have impressed them. I seriously doubt they would go to this thing unprepared. If we were the first team he met with, sure, it’d be possible. As one of the last teams to see him though? No way we don’t pull out all the stops.
And I agree the players don’t make as much of an impact as people are thinking. Bringing DTS certainly has its pros and cons. I think Neil needs to just convince LBJ that he can get DTS to do XYZ, guaranteed. Can’t exactly talk freely with DTS sitting there, fidgeting about the $‘s. Neil is the salesman, and he’s going to do his best to sell this thing. Faith, Citizens, faith!
Well
The Knicks brought Allen Houston and the Heat brought Alonzo Mourning.
At least they brought past players who can attest to how the organization treated them.
Clearly the Clips have no past player who they can bring. So a current player would have made more sense.
They work for the organization though
Allan Houston is the Assistant to the President of Basketball Operations.
Zo is Vice President of Player Programs and Development.
by Lawler 4ever on Jul 2, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Right - we do not have that do we
So we accentuate our strengths whatever they are, now.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
The Clippers have strengths?
Maybe we should have brought Cat Mobley. I think that’s all we got.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jul 2, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
We do not need to do what the Knicks do
We need to do what we think is right for us.
Otherwise we are just acting like MDSr. That didn’t work.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Disagree
The other teams are desperate, especially the Knicks. No one is bringing current players.
The Clips have a simple approach. But it is very strong, perhaps the strongest. I’m sure Olshey and Roeser are very well prepared.
I would hope so
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 2, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Because we have more to prove that those other teams
Clippers haven’t won $hit so we need more incentive
We don’t havew the flash owner, or prove all star number one pick. WE have to look LEbron in the eye and tell him we are comitted Blake Griffin has to tell Bron he doesn’t need Amare or Bosh because he will get it done.
No comparison
Bosh/Amare = proven commodities. 20/10 guys for years.
Griffin = unproven guy coming off major knee surgery with potential
What would you choose to be your sidekick?
We can guarantee BG will play for the Clips next season
Can any other team make the same guarantee about Bosh/Amare?
It doesnt take an entourage to make a sales pitch
Have faith in Neil. He obviously is in his position because he acts like he knows what he is doing. ; )
He got the job because Dunleavy was a dumb@$$ and got fired
A nice draft isn’t enough
I wouldn't pay him max...
Considering he’s only a couple months younger than Baron was when we signed his $65mil contract, it’s kind of ridiculous to be thinking that at Baron’s current age, we’d be still paying JJ max with 2 years left on his contract.
Right - he got the job b/c someone else got fired
Isn’t that how it always works?
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
I think he means that Oshley was waiting in the wings...
But I know what you’re saying, Jax. He didn’t just get the job because he was the next in line, he got the job because he had been making most of the front office decisions, behind the curtain, while Dunleavy was coaching. And the last year of decisions have generally been good ones (the recent Camby trade excepted).
according to Brian Windhorst
Clippers left after less than an hour meeting. LeBron left shortly thereafter, day is done. Byron Scott about to be introduced…
by LA's other fan! on Jul 2, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep just about to post that.
I think both Knicks and Nets went over 2 hrs, Heat 3 hrs…Clips less than 1 hour.
Yeah…sounds about right.
LOL
I’m hoping he likes short and sweet.
by Lawler 4ever on Jul 2, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I think that's a good thing
That lets me know that Lebron doesn’t need to much convincing to come to the Clips! I like it! I like it a lot!!!
"Excellence...is not an act, but a habit" Aristotle
by Cliptomaniac on Jul 2, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I think longer would have been better
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Well, the situation speaks for itself
Arguably the best 1/5 duo in the league with Baron Davis and Chris Kaman; The consensus #1 pick from 2009 at the 4 spot with Blake Griffin; Potential future All Star at the shooting guard in Eric Gordon; YOU (LBJ) at the 3. Plus future set at every position with young studs. Nuff said.
"Excellence...is not an act, but a habit" Aristotle
I think it's good
I think we just went in and threw it all on the table. No bells and whistles. We just talked basketball and the talent we have.
I would also think it's good
The Clippers have a more complete team, which means they wouldn’t have to give different scenarios in their presentation like other teams. Also, if the Clippers asked for an immediate answer and got a no, they can move quickly on their next moves. Looks good from a business standpoint. (positive thoughts, positive thoughts, positive thoughts)
by LA's other fan! on Jul 2, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
That part I agree with
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Totes m'gotes
I don’t think we did all of the “sales pitch” stuff that NJ, NY, and Miami did. They were probably really trying to entice the players with all kinds of glitz and glamour, and while I’m sure they talked plenty of basketball, they probably didn’t come off as honest as we may have.
Strong team plus strong city
Other articles made a point about how a significant part of the Knicks approach was that Lebron could make a billion dollars by being in New York, as opposed to the other cities. The article of course left out LA.
But I’m sure Lebron knows, and Olshey made clear, the financial advantages of being based in LA.
The team and its pieces speak for themselves.
I don’t think it’s all about the owner, or not paying Dunleavy, or anything like that. I think it’s the general negative mystique around the team (which those guys, especially DTS, created of course),
The Clips, who are aiming for respectability first and can’t talk about competing for a championship until they clear a few big hurdles and gain stability, have different goals. They’re a great destination for Lebron, one of the best. But they’re not desperate to get him. They know it’s unlikely. Their plan is to invite and welcome Lebron, giving him every opportunity to say yes. But their approach is flexible and adaptable, and they’ll move quickly to the next step, moving forward in a deliberate fashion, trying to accomplish manageable goals.
No bells and whistles. No desperation.
Yep - rack him
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 2, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Just to be clear
I wouldn’t be upset if the Clips don’t get Lebron. It was a total long shot from day 1.
But what makes me sick is the way they seemingly went about it. I wanted them to show up and blow Lebron’s socks off. Show him (and everyone else) that we’re a world class organization that’s really committed to winning. Show him (and everyone else) that the media hacks are wrong.
The Nets were in a similar position before Thursday. A bad team playing 2nd fiddle to the Knicks in the tri-state market. Nobody gave them a real chance. Then Mikhail Prohkorov and Jay-Z walk in there and blow him away and suddenly everyone’s talking about how impressive they are.
The bottom line is that this wasn’t just a chance to impress Lebron. It was a chance to impress the rest of the basketball world.
Epic fail.
but we dont have Jay Z
If you go in with a good presentation and Lebron says, “no”, how much respect have you really gained from the league.
Screw the league. The only way you get respect is by winning.
And i think your post is premature— you dont even know if it went well or not.
Def premature
No question about it.
But I’m sorry have you ever had someone make a business proposal to you? I make those decisions all the time. And while a super long one isn’t always good. When everyone else is going 2-3 hours, it’s never the one dude with an unusually short presentation that gets it.
Long meetings do not eqaul good meetings
I see your point… but long meetings also suck sometimes too. I mean Lebron already knows everything he really needs to know… he can read Chad Ford’s column on why it would be a good idea to come to LA.
Does he really want to be presented the same facts in 12 different ways? Let’s be patient and see what happened before we pass judgement
No question
Like I said, super long meetings aren’t good. Nobody wants that per se.
But have you ever been to a really important meeting that was really short? I know I’m being negative, but honestly, people who think a 45 minute meeting with Lebron James about the future of his career is a good thing are either totally naive or just fooling themselves.
Anyone who’s done any kind of business dealings which involve more than a few thousand dollars knows that those kinds of deals don’t get presented in 45 minutes.
No frills
The only thing the Clippers could have done would have been if David Geffen had walked in there with Olshey and Roeser, and that wasn’t going to happen.
45 minutes is plenty of time for the Clippers to present their case. There is no magic formula or bells and whistles. All they have to do is present the existing roster (something which other teams are likely reluctant to do), with a chart about how his deal will affect spending in the future, showing the existing deals and making a commitment to sign Griffin and Gordon and anybody else. They let him choose the coach, with Casey lined up already, and VDN right behind him.
He knows about Los Angeles and what he can do there. They have to assure him that they have the blessing of DTS to do whatever it takes to support him and to win championships.
It’s pretty simple stuff. And they also know they’re a huge longshot. Why dance around and waste time? Their approach is solid, and I’m sure they’re thankful for showing them the respect to meet with them.
Maybe some conversation takes it to an hour, but 45 minutes is plenty.
also natural dynamic considering only 2 people from our side talking
whereas the other teams bringing in a committee…everyone has to get their piece in
that in itself could lead to a more disjointed discussion that gets off track…
Maybe but don't forget, our scenario is much more straight forward
than some of these teams who hardly have anyone on their roster. LeBron may have multiple questions on how they will build their roster if they can’t get Wade/Bosh etc.
We have our roster in place. We need LBJ and then some minimums to pad it out.
We have 2 coaches shortlisted.
We have a massive market with huge opportunities.
We have a crap owner – whoops, scrap that.
It’s not complicated. No excessive sucking up. Play it straight and truthful. If it doesn’t work then so be it.
Bingo! Oh me oh my!
short sighted
“everyone’s talking about how impressive they were”…hmmmm you mean the people that weren’t even at the meeting? Everyone said their pitch was impressive…big freakin deal!
A chance to impress LeBron with what? Our record of losing seasons in the past? What are the Clippers going to impress Lebron with?
Theres nothing the Clippers can say or do to convince LeBron to sign with them…its on him
by JJClipperfan on Jul 2, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
answer my question, how would the Clippers "impress" Lebron
thats all im asking
by JJClipperfan on Jul 2, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Well they could have impressed him
by putting on a world class presentation.
The Nets show up in a G5, unleash a brand new marketing plan all over New York the day of, and show Lebron how they can win and make him a GLOBAL icon. Which is what he wants.
Clips? Released a press release two days ago announcing how happy they are that they get to meet Lebron. They probably asked him to sign a basketball.
..
LeBron is already a global icon wherever he goes! I’m 100% sure it doesn’t take two hours to remind LeBron of his marketing opportunities in LA….once again all we know is the meeting lasted a little less then an hour…doesn’t mean they didn’t remind LeBron of something he already knows.
by JJClipperfan on Jul 2, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Come on - LBJ doesn't need a marketing plan unleased day of
It sounds like you think that the Clippers need to create an image for him. He’s already got one.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
he had a $90 mil Nike contract before he graduated HS
he has got things down
Yes, he does
And I strongly suspect he wouldn’t want DTS getting too directly involved with his image.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 2, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
And this is where we disagree
How can they “wow his socks off”? He’s seen it all. There’s no way to snow him.
They need to connect with him to prevail here against long odds. That’s the only way. Pom poms would be counterproductive for the Clippers in this situation IMO.
The rest of the basketball world isn’t going to be impressed with a dog and pony show. They will only be impressed with winning.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
True that.
I really think we could have used this as an opportunity to not only show LeBron what we’re really about, but to show the rest of the country what we’re about.
I’m so sick of all these writers, like Gene Wojciechowski, who really don’t have any business writing about teams they don’t know about. He wrote, “If it’s about playing for the worst owner in sports, James leaves for the Los Angeles Clippers.” Yes, he’s a terrible owner, but that’s certainly not the whole story. If he had said, “Well, the Clippers have one of the most talented teams with the ability to offer a max contract, but with their losing history and their owner’s terrible reputation, they shouldn’t be considered a destination for LeBron,” I would be fine. Wojblahblahblahski never went on to explain the rest of the Clippers’ situation either, presumably because he’s far too lazy to research a team he doesn’t care about.
I’m just a basketball fan. I could care less about some of the more obscure east coast teams out there, like Toronto or Indiana. But if you ask me about those teams, I can not only tell you about at least 10 players on their roster off the top of my head, but I can tell you about their coach, their strengths/weaknesses, their offense/defense, their financial situation, and what their future potentially holds for them. Again, I’m just a fan, and I can tell you all of that because I have immersed myself in this sport. I’m no expert by any stretch of the imagination. I’ve just read a lot (mostly for fun) and have collected enough information to be informed about the rest of the league. Yet somehow a lazy writer with clearly very little knowledge of the game is allowed to write for ESPN. What did he do to earn this honor? No one should be paid to be that ignorant. I can list off a dozen of the people on this thread that would be much more complete and knowledgeable writers than half of the chumps writing word-vomit for ESPN.
These empty “LeBron should only go to the Clippers if he wants to SUCK and be UGLY”-type arguments are just ridiculous and irritating. I’m not sure what our guys could have shown the rest of the country in their meeting with LeBron, but it was certainly an opportunity.
by Erik O on Jul 2, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Over/under on bro hugs that happened?
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
LOL
So the Clippers walked in and the two guys sitting there already greeted each other? I like it.
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
once again, does that even matter?
the Clippers gave their pitch…short and sweet which is fine by me….LeBron leaving the Cavaliers was a longshot to begin with
espn news
Shelly Smith seemed to have pretty positive things to say about the meeting. I’m sure it will replay on espn news in about half an hour
by besaje on Jul 2, 2010 12:36 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I hope it went well
but all these teams and reporters saying the meetings went well means nothing, only Lebron and his team know if they went well. All that matters is his opinion.
by LA's other fan! on Jul 2, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
She talked about how clips felt. Obviously they felt good about it. Lebron asked a lot of questions apparently. Seemed interested in their roster and they tried to sell him on Blake being their second free agent they would sign if he wasn’t on the team. Showed him dvd of his favorite hot spots in LA.
Nothing mentioned about it being too short or no other people being present.
by besaje on Jul 2, 2010 12:44 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes but depends on the contract. and player
Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.
Shorter the better, why drag it out?
No intro- LBJ know’s who we are.
No selling- The name says it all “Los Angeles”
No kiss Assing- Come here and win, oh we have Blake Griffin. Remember.
No Wasting time- Short and to the point.
Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.
BINGO
"Smart dudes that know the game of basketball." - Al-Farouq Aminu referring to his new teammates
I asked this on Daily Dime
Me: JA, does the short meeting mean the Clippers are out, or that they just have a more complete team, which means they wouldn’t have to give different scenarios in their presentation?
J. A. Adande: You would think they would have more to say, a whole lot of negative history to try to overcome and explain away
by LA's other fan! on Jul 2, 2010 12:48 PM PDT reply actions
exactly
why would you bring up everything negative just to scare him away lol
Same here
I think everyone knows about the history of the Clips
Lisa Dillman just tweeted: More TK: Clips official sent text in response on how meeting went: “well”
by LA's other fan! on Jul 2, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
DTS has done nothing wrong (Basketball wise)...
for a long time. only exception is the Dunleavy situation. But MDSr. will get his money.
Problem is that LBJ would really be risking his image playing for DTS
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 2, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
but if he won one ring for the Clips, he would jump plenty on the list of all time greats for that feat alone
by LA's other fan! on Jul 2, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
BINGO!
It’s the biggest risk with the biggest reward.
Not really
would LBJ winning a championship in the 2nd biggest market be that big of a feat? What Tim Duncan did in San Antonio, what Wade did in 06 with the Heat are more impressive considering how small of a market those teams are in.
FA in 2010.
Exactly
The past is the past. No need to spend 30 minutes to an hour trying to bullshit your way out of the negatives. No point to talk about anything negative anyways, unless of course LBJ brings it up.
by dulciusXasperis on Jul 2, 2010 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
We will name a combo after you.
Any combo at all, it’s yours.
For those keeping faint hope alive that MDSr was the primary culprit behind Clipper woes, it turns out that the team does a fine job of losing without him. - citizen zhiv
LBJ and BG have already met and spoken
This today is between Olshey, Roeser and LBJ. That’s why you don’t need BG there.
As for Sterling, he’s better off wherever he’s at right now, but he could be on his cellphone as Olshey holds it up in speaker mode.
Chupa! Chupa!
by DonaldSterlingSucks on Jul 2, 2010 12:49 PM PDT reply actions
When did BG and LAbron meet?
"Smart dudes that know the game of basketball." - Al-Farouq Aminu referring to his new teammates
If Jerry Buss had to pitch Lebron, I think Lebron
would say, who is this old bastard with the shaky voice?
Hi We are the Clipper's...
if you come to LA you will be the best player in the city and you could prove it 4 times a year to the second best. Plus, we have TMZ and great massage parlors. ; )
The Pitch
I like their concept of Blake Griffin being the other max guy.
You look at the starting 5 with LeBron and you have all star team potential w/ pretty much every player being capable of drawing a double team. + 3 more talented pieces coming off the bench, with the liklihood of getting some veterans to join in to chase a championship.
With our roster, they had the least to explain. As for DTS, if he had shown up we could of been dead before we ever started. Who knows, though I would’ve liked to have seen multiple players show up.
Clippers used a DVD (about Los Angeles) in their presentation
I really hope they didn’t. I mean really? A DVD? I hope Rosner was kidding.
Maybe they showed him the HASTILY MADE CLEVELAND TOURISM VIDEOS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysmLA5TqbIY
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM&feature=related
just reminding him that Cleveland isn’t Los Angeles
or Clipper D doing his "making out with myself" dance he does every game
that’s a winner baby!
Great...
“No matter what, we’re getting at least one great new player this summer: his name is Blake Griffin.”
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16647
Translation: “Please don’t blame us.”
Yea
I think that means we got rejected. Pretty lame pitch…. the Nets spared no expense… I hope Neil and Andy stayed at a Holiday Inn Express… that’s our only chance.
FA in 2010.
Ok so what would you have done - let's hear your pitch
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 2, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't be ridiculous
Are you a child? “Oh yeah? What would YOU have done?”
Give me a break. Tell you what, if the Clips call offering me Olshey’s job and that salary, I guaran-damn-tee you that my pitch would be better than 45 min meeting with a freaking DVD of restaurants.
Ok MG, you are being real negative about this tonight.
You are speculating on so many things you don’t know about.
At the end of the day, we know we have the biggest handicap in Sterling. There is nothing we can do about that so we always knew we were a long shot. You are speaking tonight like we really blew it. Maybe, we never really had a chance.
Maybe, we took a different, more simple route (which I often respect in the business world – cutting out the BS) and maybe, just maybe, it’s sowed a seed in LeBron’s mind.
We just don’t know mate. Just chill.
Bingo! Oh me oh my!
For a owner trying to change his image
if he had spent some real money on the presentation that would mean something. Instead it just reinforces the notion that he is a miserly old man.
FA in 2010.
Since when did DTS say he was trying to change his image?
ANSWER: Never.
Why do they need to spend money for a dog and poney show? Stupid. Sorry
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 2, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmm
so that whole speech about utilizing those unlimited resources etc was just BS right? It seemed like the Clippers just winged it even though we are talking about the biggest free agent in 14 years.
FA in 2010.
Well obviously we're all speculating
That’s what we do around here. You speculate about things all the time. So please don’t give me BS about speculation.
My point is simple, based on the info that we have thus far, very little of it is positive. And you or anyone else who thinks that being the ONE team to go less than half the time as everyone else is a good thing…is just fooling themselves.
Again, to me, it’s not about getting Lebron. It’s more about being one of only 6 teams invited to court the best basketball player on the planet, and treating it like any other meeting. Give me a break.
These guys have huge egos and they like to be stroked. The idea that the straight forward approach would be better is laughable. Lebron wants to be a billionaire and a global icon. Walking in there saying “oh you already know about LA” is beyond stupid. Show him what he might not know. Present angles and opportunities that are fresh, imaginative and inspired. Show him that the team has the balls to envision something with him beyond what anyone else has considered.
Don’t walk in there and say “it is what it is.” What a load of crap.
Dont' go around getting aggressive with everyone because you don't like how things have gone.
You talked in previous threads about things being just speculation and now you are doing just that.
No, you are putting forward your opinion. You DO NOT know how the meeting went or their strategy in it so stop assuming it went badly.
It maybe that they never really had a chance. In which case what do you expect them to do.
Yep, superstars have big egos. But maybe the Clippers decided that they would take a different tack and not go through all the ego stroking that he would have had in a 3 hour meeting with the Heat. Ever sat through a number of similar presentations? Boring wasn’t it. You sometimes remember the different one.
As I said, you have no idea about how they presented and you are conveniently not mentioning that our situation is so much more simpler than other teams. Could that have led to a shorter presentation? Hell yes.
You are making a lot of this up in your own head tonight. Not like you. I’ll put it down to nerves eh LOL
Bingo! Oh me oh my!
Look, there are lots of opinions always flying around on this site all the time.
It’s what makes it such a great site. It’s all just about opinions but it’s great to see everyone actually caring about their team. Could you imagine this on an Orlando Magic board?
Bingo! Oh me oh my!
Dunno
I like being around other masochists which is why I hang out here. Cutting my wrists was so messy.
FA in 2010.
Well, there are a few anti-depressent pills needed around here tonight.
Look, at least we didn’t spend 119m on Joe Johson eh
Bingo! Oh me oh my!
actually, OPP is a very classy site
for the most part anyway. There’s always a few bandwagoners on a winning team, but most of the posters there lived through the bad times, too. Remember Grant Hill? Yeah. Let’s hope if we get LeBron that doesn’t happen to him
Actually, if you were agreeing I'd be worried
In truth, such statements are stupid.
You’re better than that.
Or are you?
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 2, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Not above calling it like it is
You are consistently off base here. I honestly worry anytime you agree with me as then I need to re-evaluate my thought process.
FA in 2010.
Dude, you really need to look in the mirror
You really don’t know what you are talking about.
No offense. I guess I could rip you in the low class way you go around doing around here for responding to every thread without knowing what I was talking about, but that just ain’t my style.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 2, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Again, it's not my style
to act like an idiot
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 2, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Right, when in reality we all know that it is YOU
That’s what’s so funny.
(reminds me of Princess Bride)
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 2, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
alright guys....
I got the measuring tape, now both of you pull out your cocks so we can settle this once and for all
Right
Maybe if half your answers weren’t calling others who disagree with you naive or “you don’t understand” while providing zero empirical evidence.
FA in 2010.
Actually that's you
In addition to you saying alot of things that you have no knowledge of.
What do you do for a living? Just curious.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 2, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Hahaha
ok sure. I link statistics to back half my argument. Until about a week ago you didn’t even know what www.basketball-reference.com was.
FA in 2010.
What are you talking about?
Again, you know nought what you say.
What do you do for a living?
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 2, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I do many things
Namely I actively manage two separate businesses, hold investment interest in a few others and on the board of advisors for a few others but for the sake of anonymity I won’t go into more detail.
FA in 2010.
Not really - your email address with your actual name
is there for all to see.
“Board of advisors” – what’s that?
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 2, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Well lets see
oh yea, that means I advise the principal owners. What do you think an advisor does exactly?
FA in 2010.
Actually, the term
“board of directors” is what I think that you are actually talking about. And if you were actually on boards of directors, I doubt you’d misstate the term for a number of reasons.
I suspect that you may have gotten a little out over your skis here.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 2, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
There is a difference between them
Board of Directors is more formal (usually for bigger corporations) and normally large shareholders in said company. Board of Advisors are more common for small start-up companies.
FA in 2010.
Right - the types of companies
I generally represent
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 2, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
And thanks
I took off the privacy settings last week to give away some tickets to the draft party. Forgot to put it back on.
FA in 2010.
No, it was some time ago when I saw that
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 2, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I turn it off and on
if I volunteered to write a game recap or whatever. It’s not a big deal but it is a bit iffy to have your info out for public display. Heck the fact you bothered to look “some time ago” is creepy.
FA in 2010.
Not really
I just wanted to see what I was dealing with when you were attacking me.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 2, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Me and 95% of Clipper fans
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 2, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
You were not there
You have absolutely no idea what happened. Yet you jump to the conclusion that our approach was wrong.
I suggest that we hold our heads high. We have nothing to prove. He already knows what we offer. Which is alot more than anyone else.
“It is what it is” means that we are not going to go in there and try to snow the guy. I didn’t say we should walk in there and say that.
You need to relax.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 2, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree 100%
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 2, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
is Clipperchuck really John R?
you guys fight like an old married couple! (jax, CC) kiss and make up please
No
John R is infinitely wiser than I am… I need to find a patsy now to take up the next shift. Volunteers?
FA in 2010.
The fact that you think he's wise
says it all.
John R light!! Welcome!!
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 2, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
it's okay to be mad MG
I think the Clips took a agood approach. They heard everyone trying to zig with LeBron so they zagged.
They swung and missed, not the end of the world.
But, maybe I was already fine with not getting LeBron
I thought it was disappointing
4 months of planning to clear up the space and this was all they could come up with? Look at the lengths the Nets went to versus the half-ass approach by the Clippers.
FA in 2010.
You seriously think this meeting is where they would win or lose this?
You are pretty naive
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 2, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Very true
This is like the closing statement at the end of a trial. All of the facts were laid out beforehand, if only indirectly. All of the key points have been made dozens of times. The only things still in motion are the other FA’s, which are what would truly make or break the Clippers’ situation. If they all go elsewhere and decide not to team up, we have a much better chance than if they decide to join forces at Miami or whatever. So I agree, this meeting was simply a final formality where we make our closing argument.
Why show up
if you aren’t going to put up your best effort. Lebron sees teams like the Nets with a clear vision, a extremely thoughtful presentation that address all his concerns. The Clippers decide to hide their biggest (owner), put on what sounds like a very bland and inexpensive presentation (hardly addressing the financial frugality of the team). Tell me how the Clippers used this meeting at all to their advantage? They could have done all this via email.
FA in 2010.
You are naive
A low key effort does not equal a lesser effort. In fact, in many situations the converse is true.
Where everone else zigs, you zag.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 2, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
hmmm some really smart, good looking, guy who's poop smells like roses
said something like zagging when others zig a couple posts up
That approach has merit
at times. BUT in this case you still have to address all of Lebron’s concerns in addition to a low key approach.
FA in 2010.
Of course
Why do you think they didn’t do that?
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 2, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Because our concerns
are different than other teams. The Clippers despite having the major media market, despite having potential access to all of the spoils of the city have never truly tapped that potential. Lebron and his team know the Clippers have the roster to help him win, what he doesn’t have is (and almost everyone agrees) the faith that DTS will spend what is necessary to win. So the Clippers decide to put on a very conservative presentation? Maybe historically successful teams can pull it off. The Lakers or Celtics could just point to their championship banners, the Clippers have NONE of these cards up their sleeves. They just need to go “Look we suck, but our owner has promised to spend, look at the practice facility, hell look at the huge bucks we just dropped on this presentation because we are serious about winning now.”
FA in 2010.
Disagree
Presentations like that are designed to deflect from the reality of the situation, which is the basketball team itself. The other teams SUCK (except the Bulls). We have the best roster. We have a great venue. We have great fans. We have finally gotten rid of a poor coach / manager and we have someone who is well thought of now at the helm. We are in a good position. Those are the things that we need to emphasize, not a glitz package that takes away from that focus.
We are in a different position than the other teams. There I agree with you. The other teams generally have good management and track records, but right now we have a better team and are an up and coming team. None of them can say that.
This is a sales job. We need to focus on our strengtrh. A glitzy marketing package would detract from that.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 2, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the DVD showed less restaurants, and more business opportunities.
I imagine it would show a mock-up of Los Angeles if it were LeBron-ified.
you too can own a club
that will have to be completely rebranded once it’s out of style in 6 months
Haha
He can own a restaurant too and put em side by side. Call the restaurant “Le” and the club “Bron.” Who wouldn’t want that??
Actually, you guys are being childish
You’re constantly complaining about how Olshey handled this, wanting something grander. All I’m saying is that I’d like to hear from you what you think should be done.
And you respond by ripping me? Whatever.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 2, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I would be original
have Baron, EJ, Kaman and Griffin travel together on some trip with a cardboard cutout with Lebron. Party in Ibiza, party on a yacht, CGI him on the court with them in the practice facility, sky dive with the cutout etc etc.
A full on marketing pitch. Get some Hollywood types to create a even bigger brand for him. Remind him that even Darius Miles was in a hollywood movie before.
Give him a glimpse of the team’s financials. They have been profitable for years, Sterling has it on his bucket list to win a championship before he dies, quell any concerns that they won’t spend like the Lakers to win.
Breakdown the strengths of the current players. They are young and with the exception of Baron and Kaman can only improve over the next 5 years and beyond.
And lastly, fill a room full of important leaders in LA in the penthouse of the Ritz Carlton. Let him see the 360 view of Los Angeles, the helicopter pad on the roof, the ocean views and mountain views.
Showing up with a mixed tape and 2 suits is hardly going to win him over.
FA in 2010.
Thanks
Actually, the point about linking it to LA business leaders is a good idea. I would have liked to have seen that.
However, I suspect that they’ve been exchanging information on the financials and otehr team info for some time. I don’t think they need to do that today.
I disagree with the marketing approach.
But I appreciate the time you took to explain your positiion without just ripping those who disagree.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 2, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Kinda like it
The idea of getting a filmmaker to do a piece for the presentation is a good idea. If Baron Davis cared more about winning he would have thought of this a long time ago and volunteered, but it’s not his responsibility. Still, it would have been nice to get a little Mrs. Warren narration, “Welcome to Los Angeles Lebron.” Kate Hudson cuts in “And welcome to the Los Angeles Clippers.”
Forget the cheesy cardboard cutout. It’s as stupid as getting in endless arguments with Jax. Just clips of business leaders. Maybe approach DTS with some humor. “We’re not going to show our leader, the Great and Powerful Oz of the Clippers, but instead we want you to take a look at his properties…” followed by a blitzkrieg of Sterling real estate properties, shot like one income-churning phallic object after another, magic hour, Malibu, Long Beach, music kicks in.
That would be hilarious and awesome. Go to Olshey’s nightlife video, whatever.
You know the Clippers did a crappy job of it. They lack panache and creativity and the art of the beautiful sell for obvious reasons. But they were holding all of these cards any way. Let Lebron make his own films about how great it is to be a Clipper. The Clips kept it simple, maybe a little cheesy like DTS’s ads in the LAT. No way it could have been that bad. it was Olshey’s presentation, not Sterling’s.
Whoever wants to go out and shoot DTS real estate and make a great comic film please contact Zhiv Productions.
No way do they already know his decision
Why would he do that? If he clues in anyone about any decision (other than Carter), then word will get out and his cards will be shown. This is a poker game, and he’s not showing his hand.
Not if they are truly playing it close to the vest as Oshley's twitter (below) states.
He even saw the poker metaphor haha
Because so many teams cleared cap space and tried to get him
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 2, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
what?
link to the story where his baby mama died and was revived twice
IM WAITING!
Lebron needs to remember
that the best way for him to win multiple championships with the same team is to keep that team intact for many years to come. The Clippers are the only team that gives him the potential to do just that because they are young and talented at every position. Cleveland is built to win now, but what about the future? I’m sure Lebron is aware of this; and I for one am willing to go out on a limb right now and say that it will be LA-Bron’s Clips!
"Excellence...is not an act, but a habit" Aristotle
No, I wouldn't
but I’d bet a pair of Clippers tickets. I’d get you a pair if he doesn’t sign, and you get me a pair if he does.
"Excellence...is not an act, but a habit" Aristotle
lol don't forget Michael Clark Duncan
And I’m sure Baron could get Jessica Alba to happen to stop by.
Cheap Until The Very End
Sterling probably scheduled this after the Heat so the cheapskate wouldn’t have to pay for lunch. Sending 2, leaving less than a hour, sounds like a typical Sterling half-assed effort. Now, they can concentrate on FAs the team can realistically, cheaply sign.
Clippers GM Neil Olshey: “[LeBron] is going to be great on the World Poker Tour because he’s playing his cards pretty close to his vest.”
"Smart dudes that know the game of basketball." - Al-Farouq Aminu referring to his new teammates
Who knows
Maybe the Clips presentation was short because they knew they were the best team and best city, the obvious choice, and they figured they had it wrapped up.
It was just a formality. Lebron was always going to go to the Clips. That’s why they went last. Everybody danced around, but they couldn’t talk about players and supporting casts, just complicated if/come deals to bring one or even two guys in. The Clips have a full, talented roster on the upswing, with a slot that fits Lebron perfectly.
I don’t know why any of you guys are even worried about this.
We didn't go last.
The Bulls and Cavs are meeting with LeBron tomorrow.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Gators // Boise State
"We're just the same old Clippers. That's all we are. We're just the same old Clippers. We want teams to continue to take us lightly."
- Sam Cassell
So is Darko Milicic
Oh……someone signed that guy already……to a CONTRACT?
"Smart dudes that know the game of basketball." - Al-Farouq Aminu referring to his new teammates
This is all silly of course
Let’s talk about something important. Did you guys see that Ghana/Uruguay finish? ZOMFG.
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
can't at work
not enough bandwidth to stream :(
That was amazing
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 2, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Heartbreaking
"Smart dudes that know the game of basketball." - Al-Farouq Aminu referring to his new teammates
Certainly did John
Can’t believe Gyan missed that penalty with the final kick of the game. Could have put an African team in the semi-finals for the first time ever. I’m not sure he’ll ever live that down.
Bingo! Oh me oh my!
IS Brian Windhorst a LeBron stalker?
lol
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
TURRIBLE!
There's another UFA SF for us to sign out there.
He already has two championship rings.
He can shoot from the outside.
Let’s pick up Adam Morrison and be done with the hoopla already.
Occam's Razor.
The simplest explanation is the best.
That’s why I love the short and sweet explanation that Olshey and Roesner gave on why LeBron should come to L.A. In the long run, LeBron will probably remember the Clippers’ simple arguments far more than the multiple involved scenarios other teams have laid out.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Gators // Boise State
"We're just the same old Clippers. That's all we are. We're just the same old Clippers. We want teams to continue to take us lightly."
- Sam Cassell
The simplest explanation is the best.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Gators // Boise State
"We're just the same old Clippers. That's all we are. We're just the same old Clippers. We want teams to continue to take us lightly."
- Sam Cassell
The medieval English logician William of Ockham.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Gators // Boise State
"We're just the same old Clippers. That's all we are. We're just the same old Clippers. We want teams to continue to take us lightly."
- Sam Cassell
Eff you ESPN.
Love how only 5 teams are meeting with LeBron (cavs, heat, knicks, nets, clips), yet somehow ESPN thinks it makes sense to have a program (6pm tonight) showcasing 4 of those teams. Seriously, the clipper-ignoring is getting a little out of hand.
by Erik O on Jul 2, 2010 3:34 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Is it possible....
that Lebron’s camp already let out word the Clippers are out of the running?
FA in 2010.
The only team they said is out of the running as of now are the Knicks.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Gators // Boise State
"We're just the same old Clippers. That's all we are. We're just the same old Clippers. We want teams to continue to take us lightly."
- Sam Cassell
Who do they plan to pair with Amare?
If JJ and Rudy Gay are off the market… they are the main competition for Childress now.
FA in 2010.
Why?
If the Clips don’t care enough to put together an inspired and impressive presentation, why should ESPN or anyone else…especially Lebron, care?
Silver lining
is the Clips can skip 2-3 days of wondering what happens and just go sign Childress already.
FA in 2010.
Awesome way to look at things dude
I was commenting about ESPN’s suckery. Obviously they put together their program well before out presentation, but likely after it was determined we would get a presentation. All I’m saying is it’s a dick move by ESPN.
by Erik O on Jul 2, 2010 4:39 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah well...
ESPN has a history of snubbing the Clips.
It stinks but really, the Clips haven’t done a thing to deserve better.
What have the Knicks done lately to deserve their ESPN ass-kissing?
Besides continuing to exist on the east coast, that is.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Gators // Boise State
"We're just the same old Clippers. That's all we are. We're just the same old Clippers. We want teams to continue to take us lightly."
- Sam Cassell
I think what you mean is
if the clippers haven’t cared enough to put a winning team on the floor for 25 years, why should ESPN care
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 2, 2010 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions
how can we compete with New Jersey's presentation?
Jay Z himself probably had some input,,,,, Last I checked, we didnt have any rap moguls working for us.
Jay Z
is a part-owner which is even more impressive. Usher owns part of the Cavs but it seems they rarely use him to promote (guess he’s more popular with the ladies).
FA in 2010.
Snoop's a Lakers fan isn't he?
but probably not a very loyal one. I recall him being a Warriors fan during their unlikely playoff run.
FA in 2010.
Snoop is the biggest bandwagon fan on the planet...
"look, you can find any coach you want, bring him in here and run the situation. But I don't think they are going to do as good a job as I do." -Mike Dunleavy Sr.
by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Jul 2, 2010 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Would you chill already?
geese man you already told us how you would handle it :|
Oh no!
Did they forget to bring the scrapbook with all the ads DTS has been running in the LA Times congratulating himself?
by Clipster Hipster on Jul 2, 2010 4:10 PM PDT reply actions
Olshey should have shown up with
…Donald Sterling in one of his best suits, it hand and feet shackles chained together walking in with the little shuffle step shackles create, not saying a word, just looking very sober sitting behing Olshey the whole time in a chair, while Olshey did all the talking of the Clips org. Commanding the attention and confidence.
They should have started off with giving him a new Clip jersey with his name on the back, a slice cheesecake from CC Factory, some other welcome gift
The video should have highlighted our starters strengths, personalities and accomplishments along with DJ’s
That video should (like some said) have included a slew of celebs, actors, local athletes (Manny, Kemp etc), Gov. Schwartz, B. Pitt etc., some school kids, The Simpsons with the back of him drawn in wearing a Clip uni., all those people saying “Welcome LeBron”, some local chefs, some patrons, Good Day LA etc. They end it with our four starters in gear in the practice facility. At the end of it all Blake walks in the room with Baron.
by Takebb909 on Jul 2, 2010 4:54 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
So far, I think the Clippers are having an awesome summer.
They didn’t shell out max $$$ for Joe Johnson, Paul Pierce or Rudy Gay.
They had what looks like a good draft.
They didn’t go all stupid over LeBron. Just a simple presentation – here’s what we got, do you want some? No? OK, we move on.
Believe it or not, there have been a few NBA teams here and there who have won championships without Lebron James.
What the Clippers need isn’t Lebron James. What the Clippers need is to get out of the clown act and act like a real NBA team. So far this summer, I’m beginning to see signs of that.
Selling to Geffen would have been a major first step. I’d rather have Geffen as owner than Sterling and 10 Lebrons on the roster.
Just my 2c.
Those are great points
LOL – “get out of hte clown act and act like a real NBA team . . .”
Something that I’ve been arguing for for years.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 2, 2010 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions
You know what I heard on ESPN today?
That if Lebron leaves Cleveland he will probably join the Nets; because he likes the entertainment industry and would love to be in movies. How stupid are these guys?
"Excellence...is not an act, but a habit" Aristotle
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