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An Audience with the King

Speculating on how the Clippers' meeting with the LeBron James in Cleveland today might have gone is an ultimately pointless exercise.  As is speculating on the Nets and Knicks meetings yesterday, or the Heat meeting earlier today.  In fact, my favorite quote of the whole spectacle so far has got to be the declaration after Jay-Z and the Nets left that their meeting was "frontrunner tremendous".  Really?  Well, the Nets did go first, so maybe they were in lead for the teams that had made their cases to that point.

Is it a tad disconcerting that during the most important meeting in team history the Clippers were represented by a rookie GM and a team president who has been largely anonymous on the basketball side for his 25 plus years in the organization?  Sure.  (Roeser is so anonymous that not one but two Cleveland sports writers insisted on spelling his name with an 'N', Roesner.)

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The comparison to the Heat, who presented directly before LA, is pretty telling.  Miami showed up with team president Pat Riley, coach Eric Spoelstra, retired All Star Alonzo Mourning and owner Micky Arinson.  Of course for the Clippers, showing up with a coach was an impossibility while showing up with their owner would have been a pretty big gamble.  The Heat have almost three max salary slots, compared to one for the Clippers.  That was also the ratio of the lengths of their meetings - three hours for the Heat, less than an hour for the Clippers. Riley's a former player and coach who has won championships in both capacities.  Mourning likewise is a former player with a ring.  On the other hand, Roeser is a former accountant and Olshey is a former soap opera actor.

Did the Clippers' minimalist approach hurt their chances of securing LeBron's services?  I doubt it.  The obvious reason is that they had essentially no chance to begin with - so their odds could hardly get worse.

But there's another reason that the simple approach might be best for the Clippers.  The other suitors have all gone over the top in their pursuit of LeBron.  They've gutted their rosters to at least get close to two rosters spots.  Those machinations necessitate more complex pitches.  Imagine Miami's task in that room today.  "We want you and DWade and Bosh to team up in Miami, LeBron."  "Bosh just tweeted that he and Dwyane are in Chicago talking to the Bulls right now."  "Oh yeah.  Well, in that case we want you and Carlos Boozer and someone else who's pretty good in Miami."  Other than the Clippers and Cleveland, all the other pitches involve moving parts who aren't even in the room in Cleveland.  You can say that you're going to sign another superstar to pair with LeBron - but can you guarantee it?  LeBron undoubtedly knows more about what their teams are going to look like than they do.  He has a much better idea of whether and with whom he'll pair up next season.

The case for the Clippers, and Olshey emphasized this with Team LeBron, is dirt simple:  Baron Davis, Eric Gordon, Chris Kaman and (especially) Blake Griffin.  Olshey's task is to try to convince LeBron that Blake Griffin is as good as or better than, say Chris Bosh.  And in the case of the Clippers, there's no guess work.  No assembly required.  Here's your supporting cast, complete with superstar supporter.  Or as Olshey put it, "I can absolutely unequivocally say: Blake Griffin is as good as any Robin to his Batman there is available in the league."

So perhaps the Clippers have differentiated themselves by keeping it simple, by focusing on basketball.  LeBron and his people know about LA.  He knows where movies are made.  He's been on Leno and Kimmel.  There's no reason to bore him with stuff he already knows.  You have to figure LeBron and his peeps were happy that the Clippers didn't go too long, one way or the other.  If they have no interest in the Clippers, then they didn't waste much time.  If they do have some interest, then it's likely for basketball reasons, and that's what Olshey and Roeser focused on.

In the end, I do have to quibble with the decision to not include Blake Griffin on the sales team.  If Griffin is the main selling point, then why not bring him along?  He wouldn't have to wear green and red tights and a yellow cape, but have him in the room.  He's a pretty charming kid.  If you're entire case is built on the hope that LeBron wants him for a teammate, then seeing if there's a little meeting room chemistry is the first step.

Almost anyone who writes about the NBA, myself included, has long maintained that the Clippers in fact have no chance of landing LeBron.  The lineup is the best and most complete of the contenders, the city is a perfect fit for his off the court aspirations, and Griffin is probably the best single player on one of the existing rosters (Derrick Rose being the other contender.)  But the reputation of the team, and in particular the reputation of the owner, essentially guarantee that he'll avoid the Clippers, for the simple fact that he can.

But if you want to speculate on a scenario in which he could wind up in LA, it goes something like this (and citizen Banandy posted a fan shot to this effect earlier as well).

  • The case starts with the assumption that playing on the best possible basketball team is indeed the single biggest factor for LeBron. 
  • Starting from there, it's not difficult to conclude that the Clippers have a leg up on New York and New Jersey, who are coming off poor seasons and then weakened themselves further in the pursuit.
  • The Wade-James-Bosh to Miami story has plenty of superstar talent, but suffers from two problems:  I still don't think James wants to share the spotlight with Wade, and there's not actually enough money to pay them all at the end of the day.
  • Chicago is LA's competition from a talent standpoint, which is why they're considered a favorite to secure his services.  But what happens if Wade (a Chicago kid) and Bosh sign there?  Do the Bulls think they can get all three?  Well, even if they trade Luol Deng, they'll still be quite a bit short of three maximum contracts, so someone would be taking a pay cut.  Reports today (which are no doubt premature) made it sound like Wade and Bosh in Chicago is a distinct possibility.
  • If that were to happen, it would take the Bulls and Heat off the table, as there'd be no more room in Chicago and Miami would suddenly have the worst roster in the NBA.
  • At that point, and assuming that having a winning basketball team is the most important thing to LeBron, the Clippers would be the clear choice.

And he'd probably pick Cleveland out of loyalty.

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you know.

i do wish blake was there, and i think sterling wouldve been risky but maybe wouldve worked.

but i think olshey is the most confident and well-spoken person ive maybe ever seen in clipper front office. maybe giving him the chance to more or less speak with lebron one-on-one, considering the two had a relationship in high school when olshey coached a couple of lebron camps, might’ve been a good idea.

and like i said in banady’s post, we immediately become a player if wade/bosh to chicago comes to fruition. every clipper fan should cross their fingers that it happens. then cleveland would be a frontrunner and jersey would look appealing, but the clippers would have the best roster ready for lebron.

but i agree, if bosh/wade to chicago happened, id be betting that lebron stays in cleveland.

by shap on Jul 2, 2010 10:02 PM PDT reply actions  

The Sterling argument is definitely valid, but...

I kind of like the fact that the Clippers have absolutely no history to speak of in this negotiation. I mean, Sports Illustrated called them the worst sports franchise of all time in 2000. Does anyone realize the kind of acclaim that LeBron would get if he managed to turn around a team with that kind of stigma attached to it? In addition to being in a global market with a chance to win, LeBron would etch his name into basketball lore. In any other city, he’d be just another name in the history books. Quite literally, he would be the Clippers’ history. Maybe I’m taking a selfish stand because I want a quick fix to the Clippers’ problems, but I think there has got to be some merit to the argument.

by WestsideBrandon on Jul 2, 2010 10:19 PM PDT reply actions  

a lil bit..

but hes already proven that he couldnt beat the cleveland curse, so maybe he doesnt see himself as a curse beater or anything like that. if he was looking for that sort of acclaim, staying at home and putting the cleveland curse to bed would probably mean more to him.

by shap on Jul 2, 2010 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is there a Cleveland curse?

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jul 3, 2010 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Reality??

I seems like the more and more people blog about sports there perceptions become as conformed with the norm(ESPN). Kevin threw us under the bus recently. I believe Foster is a Lakers fan from his post which all end with “It’s the clippers” type of conclusion. I’ve been here for a while and have seen change in Steve’s perception of the whole organization. I know some people never thought there was a chance but to literally blog to the world from the fans front stating that there is no chance Lebron signs here, what does that say? Even Blake was like “yeah, um, chicago is better”, with who? How? Derik Rose? To believe that the owner is so disliked that no top tier player will ever come here is just sad. Why would anyone be a fan of a team with the perception “It’s the Clippers?”. There are too many of these type of “knowledgeable sport people” in the world to bring this to our stay. If people really dislike the owner that much they should do something about it. In the end though, hey, “It’s the Clippers”.

by Spontane on Jul 2, 2010 10:45 PM PDT reply actions  

espn mentality

as far as getting lebron, a lot of people scoff at the clippers, because of the owner, history, and immediate goal lebron wants to get. even kevin does, though i ultimately think hes a clipper supporter, but he doesnt think lebron is the way the franchise will turn around, but ultimately via a okc-like homegrown resolution. lebron’s all about winning right away, and to one player, the image of sterling is too much, and espn has run to an extreme with that..

but as far as the team’s immediate future? i think espn will turn around with wins, and some analysts are seeing the writing on the wall that as long as the team is healthy, it should come, in the form of a competitive team in the playoff mix.

don’t know if you’ve seen this, but i thought this was a decent roundtable discussion about the future of the clips:
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=5343381

by shap on Jul 2, 2010 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Baron and Cat

When it’s all said and done, the two biggest FA grabs for the Clips were Baron and Cat Mobley. Both made a conscious choice, especially Baron. We can rip at the dude for taking some nights off, but at the time, he was a near-superstar who signed with the Clips. Hopefully he paved the way for others.

It seems like the “it’s the Clippers” mentality has become especially strong in the last two yrs. I don’t know why…probably Blake’s injury added fuel to the fire. You would think with all the Elie Seckbach videos floating around YouTube that the Clippers would be treated better, but nope. We’ll see how free agency plays out. Let’s hope Hedo is right.

This is going to be my team, and we're going to rise together.
-Clipper Darrell

by oasisman on Jul 2, 2010 11:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Totally agree

We haven’t had the greatest track record of grabbing any FAs. We usually rely on trades to get our key player

by Qlippers on Jul 2, 2010 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep

What I’m hoping for is that with Griffin, new management, and hopefully a good coach we will begin winning consistently with the lineup we have. After two steady years of building a good team, buliding continuity, the stigma will hopefully go away.

What’s frustrating to me is that the stigma is still here at the time the biggest free agent in history is considering us.

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jul 3, 2010 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good Post Steve

I was trying to say exactly the same in not so many words, and in not such a complete way, last night.

Bingo! Oh me oh my!

by ClippersUK on Jul 2, 2010 11:38 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Knicks pitch

Reportedly had a video with a reunited Tony and Carmella Soprano discussing Lebron ( a huge Sopranos fan) and the Knicks, as well as a ton of celebs. Forget all the free agency talk for a minute – that sounds pretty damn incredible.

by RAR on Jul 2, 2010 11:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Here's where seeing BG play would have helped...

You can talk all you want about BG being better than Bosh etc…but it has yet to be proven.

by Newton Pham on Jul 3, 2010 12:49 AM PDT reply actions  

The ¨It's the Clippers¨ cliché is spreading

The organization has made some changes. Olshey is proving, soap actor or not, that he isn’ t a joke. He’s doing a decent job. He got the cap space. He managed to get a seat at the Lebron table, and tried to lure him even tough outside people and even fans are giving the team zero chances. So what’s wrong with all that? Sorry, but I’m a bit tired to read in the biggest Clippers fansite, that no matter what goes on, after all it’s the Clippers.

by edu_argentina on Jul 3, 2010 6:56 AM PDT reply actions  

Good post Steve

I agree with your take as noted in my posts in madglove’s thread. I really like the analysis as to what could happen if Wade and Bosh go to the Bulls. I suppose that if that occurs, and LBJ wants to move out of Cleveland, that he could actually come here.

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jul 3, 2010 8:22 AM PDT reply actions  

Kind of funny ...

In an FA season where King James looked like he’d have the whole league awaiting his decree with abated breath, Wade and Bosh, working for themselves and on their own, might actually force his hand.
On a really prissy note, the Clips release said they can only “surmise” how things went from their end. I disagree — they should how things went from their end; they can surmise how their pitch was received.
When I see a word like ‘surmise’ in an NBA press release, my antennae go up.

by pipedreams on Jul 3, 2010 9:25 AM PDT reply actions  

Clippers are a fraud

The Clippers and Sterling Stooges go and make a grandstand play and create free publicity for the Clippers.They were telling James what a great team they have. What a joke.
Davis amost 32 and never won anything and every ball player will tell you that they hate playing with him,Kaman does not know what it is to pass a ball with a carear assist of 1/12 a game and does not know how to protect the basket and is a poor defender.Blake Griffin has never played one game and has protential but is not certain that he can shoot from the outside.Gordon has great protential and the Clippers paid him 2.8 million dollars and does not want to sign an extension and hates playing with Davis.Sterling bought the Clippers for 18 million dollars and the team is worth about 300 million so who is stupid, the Clippers fans and the spiortwriters who cover the clippers and write this bullshit are selfserving.If everyone thinks that the Clppers will be so great next year then go to Las Vegas and bet them, the over under number is 37 for the season.Put your money where your mouth is.

by Vegas Mike on Jul 3, 2010 11:23 PM PDT reply actions  

And you're a loser

Do you really have nothing better to do than come on a site for Clippers fans and start talking trash? Some of what you say is true, some of it is not, and all of it seems to have been written by an illiterate moron who can’t spell at a 3rd-grade level. But that’s not really the point. The point is that you’re a giant douchebag who clearly doesn’t have a life.

by boltsfan21 on Jul 4, 2010 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Idiot

When you look into a mirror which hand do you use?
IDIOT

by Vegas Mike on Jul 5, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Clippers are a fraud

The Clippers and Sterling Stooges go and make a grandstand play and create free publicity for the Clippers.They were telling James what a great team they have. What a joke.
Davis almost 32 and never won anything and every ball player will tell you that they hate playing with him. Kaman does not know what it is to pass a ball with a career assist of 1/12 a game and does not know how to protect the basket and is a poor defender. Blake Griffin has never played one game and has potential but is not certain that he can shoot from the outside.Gordon has great potential and the Clippers paid him 2.8 million dollars and does not want to sign an extension and hates playing with Davis. Sterling bought the Clippers for 18 million dollars and the team is worth about 300 million so who is stupid, the Clippers fans and the sportwriters who cover the clippers and write this bullshit are self serving. If everyone thinks that the Clippers will be so great next year then go to Las Vegas and bet them, the over under number is 37 for the season.Put your money where your mouth is.It takes at least three years to build a contender Davis will then be 35.

by Vegas Mike on Jul 3, 2010 11:38 PM PDT reply actions  

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