A New Twist in the Big Sofo Tale - Maybe He's Not Headed to Panathanaikos After All
by Steve Perrin on Jul 23, 2010 2:41 AM PDT
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PrintA little while ago I received an email from Citizen teregosa in Greece. He was unable to get into Clips Nation to share this news with us at the time. Here's his story:
[Earlier] www.sport-fm.gr reported that according to a Serbian website, Panathinaikos are in the process of signing Australian big man Aleks Maric from Partisan. They've agreed on the transfer fee and now they need to make their offer to the player. If Maric signs, the report goes, then Panathinaikos will not be looking to Sofo.
Panathinaikos have been knocking on Partisan's door for days, but initially the Serbian club didn't seem interested in talking. All that seems to have changed in the past couple of days. Although Sport-fm.gr is reliable (it's the website for the largest Greek sports radio), sports media in Greece are known to jump the gun just so they can appear to be the ones breaking the news so, like you said in your post, grain of salt.
The link for the article is http://www.sport-fm.gr/article/284197 .
So it looks as if Sofo won't be playing for the Greens after all.
Is this going to be a little side plot for us all summer? Is MBFGC this summer's Ramon Sessions?
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Who cares about this fat boy?
He’s Oliver Miller without the skill set.
I've got nothing.
by bc56274 on Jul 23, 2010 2:46 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
hahaha ouch! Well, i talked alot of crap on him but If he's as good as everyone says he is AND can hold up to an NBA season, then quit wasting time and sign him BUT......
After all the crap him and his agent talked towards the clippers, i would prefer he pout to his probably overweight mother due to bad genes, eat everything in sight (except human beings) because he’s so depressed, gain more weight and give us the confidence we previously had in not signing him. That way i’ll feel better about not bringing him along. :-)
"Put the icing on the cake ladies and gentlemen" - Ralph Lawler vs. The Grizzlies
by In GrIfFin We TrUsT on Jul 23, 2010 3:31 AM PDT up reply actions
that's good.....there all tall......good for them....overweight mother has 2 grown boys....nice....that proves nothing i mentioned above about having an overweight mother.
I said their mother had bad genes and was overweight. Didnt say the whole family was. Plus, 6-6 & 7-2 doesnt guarantee a healthy lifestyle….Please see sofo for more info. Either way, good find on their family tree. Now im off to sleep. :)
"Put the icing on the cake ladies and gentlemen" - Ralph Lawler vs. The Grizzlies
by In GrIfFin We TrUsT on Jul 23, 2010 3:52 AM PDT up reply actions
First Sofo’s contract offer in Panathinaikos was 3 years $10.5 million GROSS, not net. I converted into gross for you. Since American NBA fans are generally incapable of ever grasping how contracts in Europe work. It’s actually much more than that because the club also pays your bills, for your house, your car, etc.
4.1 million euros net income. The club pays the taxes and the agent fees and the taxes on the agent fees. It comes to $10.5 million gross (as an NBA contract would be counted).
Second, Sofo did NOT make 600k euros net in Olympiacos in his old contract. He made 800k euros net. It equals to $1.14 million per season how an NBA contract would be listed. Again though, it’s really more than that because the club also pays for your house, your car, and your bills.
As far as his signing to PAO (Panathinaikos) goes, every media in Greece said he had agreed with them and was their player. What happened in the meantime was……..
while he was traveling to Greece he decided to go directly to where the Greek national team is holding their training, instead of going directly to sign with PAO. He was going to that after he reported to the national team’s training camp.
That was a huge mistake. While he was doing that the manager of Aleks Maric (he played in the NCAA with Nebraska so you should know him) heard about that he was signing with PAO and immediately jumped in and lowered his salary demands to PAO.
All along the first target for PAO in the center this off season was Maric. They wanted him after Nikola Pekovic left them and signed with the Wolves. The problem was that Maric’s team Partizan wanted a huge buyout at 800k to 1 million euros cash.
So Panathinaikos decided that was too much money to pay, plus his large salary demands so they instead chose to get Sofo. But Maric’s manager jumped in and told Partizan it was their last chance to get a good buyout for Maric and they and the player and agent lowered their demands. The only other real offers they had for buyouts were from Fenerbache and Olympiacos but they were not near what they wanted.
So when the club and the player and agent lowered their buyout demands PAO accepted and immediately secured the Australian center. Now they only have to work out a contract with him and it will be official. But it’s done because the buyout was secured.
That meant that Sofo was no longer needed. He blew his chance with PAO because they don’t need him now. So basically his taking his time to get to the PAO owners offices at Vianex cost him the contract because basically Maric’s manager was working the phones while Sofo was still on the plane back to Greece even. As soon as those reports broke that he agreed with PAO.
The reason PAO now has no need for Sofo is because they will have Maric, who was the Alll Euroleague First Team center last year, Mike Batiste (played in the NBA with the Grizzlies so you should know him) who was the Greek League MVP this last season already at center. They can both be considered top 5 centers in Europe by most people.
Even they would not need Sofo as a third string center because they also now have Ian Vougioukas (you should also know him because he played NCAA at St. Louis). While Sofo was in the NBA Summer League and acting like he was joinging the Clippers, and Dimitrios Mavroeidis, another top Greek center free agent signed with Bilbao Basket in Spain…….then Nikola Pekovic left PAO for the NBA…..it made it seem like PAO needed another center right away.
So they signed Vougioukas during this time. Vougioukas is himself the second best Greek center there is after Ioannis Bourousis. So that means that Sofo would essentially be the 4th center in PAO and they don’t need him now.
Then his situation with Olympiacos. BTW, it’s actually spelled Olympiacos in English and that is the official English name. ESPN does not realize that the K is actually a C in Latin. But it’s ESPN so no surprise there.
Anyways, the new coach of Olympiacos Ivkovic supposedly is open to bringing Sofo back (and he has said to have asked Olympiacos for 1.2 million euros net = 3.1 million gross NBA contract)………
But he is not the priority for the new coach and he has other players he would like to sign at the 4/5 position forst. Also, basically every report says that the owners of Olympiacos, the Angelopoulos brothers, don’t want him back and have told the club managers and coach that. They don’t want him anymore.
So………….I will you some inside info,
Sofo’s manager offered him to the Spanish League/Euroleague clubs Baskonia (Tiago Splitter’s old team) and Malaga, and tothe United League/Euroleague team CSKA. But from what I understand none of them are interested in signing him.
However, the Spanish League/Euroleague team Valencia is from what I understand possibly interested in singing him. However the money is not what he wants and he might also end up being the third string center if he signed with them. Because they already have Robertas Javtokas (Spurs draft pick) and Sergei Lishouk (Rockets draft rights) signed there as centers. He might be 2nd or 3rd center there. So the money and PT does not fit with them.
So basically at this time he has no clubs in Europe that will pay him what he wants, give him the PT he wants, etc. So he’s screwed now.
His options for the moment are either sign with Valencia for less money than he wants and fight Javtokas for PT or reconsider the Clippers, or another NBA team if the Clippers coach will not take him.
His agent and him are now considering asking the Clippers for a trade because it seems that the Clippers coach wants nothing to do with him, even thought the Clippers GM apparently wanst him. They could consider taking a non-guaranteed training camp invite to the Clippers but they don’t want to. Because the Clips coach has inplied that he won’t play him if he is signed.
So they are reconsidering the NBA option now and seeing if the Clippers would do a trade.
Also, BTW David Andersen was drafted in 2002 and did not play in the NBA until 2009. You forgot about him.
Oh and about Vassilis Spanoulis……….it’s well known that Jeff Van Gundy hates European players with an extreme passion and won’t play them. Mirsad Turkcan, Fabricio Oberto (count him as European because he’s Italian and played for years in Euroleague – at least to Van Gundy he’s “a Euro”), Frederick Weiss, and Spanoulis all said in European media that Van Gundy treated them awful when he was their coach.
They all basically said the guy was a racist and a xenophobe and that he basically tyold them the FIRST DAY of training camp that since they were from the Euroleague they would never play as long as he was the coach, period. Van Gundy has an extremely, I mean extremely bad rep in Europe. That’s what happened to Spanoulis.
The guy is the first or second best player in Europe along with Ramunas Siskauskas. He’s much better than most NBA players are. He could easily start in the NBA and be an all star. So you can’t really compare him to Sofo. Sofo is a 10 minute per game, third string center on a big European club. But yeah, NBA coaches can be really xenophobic. Sofo clearly has the talent to play in the NBA. He’s just limited to playing 10 minutes or so because of stamina and foul trouble. But he can wreck in thsoe 10 minutes, and can do so in the NBA also with no problem. The Clippers clearly had no clue how to use him in the Summer League.
With a compitent coach, point guard, and structured offensive system Sofo would be extremely hard to stop in the low post in the NBA. The basic straget would have to be to foul him, because he can’t shoot free throws, which is a major weakness of his.
As far as the stuff about Sofo being upset because the Clippers stood him and his manager up…….the Clippers might be denying that, but I can assure you that sources close to the player and his manager say it most definitely did happen. The way I understand is that it was the Clips cvoach that caused it. He basically told the Clips managers that they better sign Craig Smith and send Sofo home or he was going to throw a big fit. So if the Clips are denying it, they are most likely lying. Still, it’s very unprofessional how they handled it. They coudl ahve at least called Sofo and his agent.
Just think……..the day they waited in LA waiting for the Clips to show up at their scheduled meeting, that day probably cost him the PAO contract. Otherwise he would have left for Greece a day earlier, and he probably would have signed before Maric could have worked a buytout with Partizan and PAO. So yeah, he lost a lot of money there.
by Ming on Jul 23, 2010 3:36 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I cant believe i read the whole thing. Anyways, If thats the way the clippers handled it, then truly unprofessional on their end and deserve every bad publicity they get (as if it wasnt bad already)
As for del negro throwing a fit over having craig smith over sofo, i truly doubt that happened. I dont think he has that much power….(well, that all depends on how much DTS loves him and his contract) I can see del negro pulling for smith over sofo though, just not throwing a “fit”. I hope everything works out for sofo. Im not big on wishing harm on anyone because i believe in karma BUT i just didnt want him to play for us. We’ll do just fine without him. I appreciate the insight. Sources would be nice though so i have more confidence in what your writing if that’s possible.
"Put the icing on the cake ladies and gentlemen" - Ralph Lawler vs. The Grizzlies
by In GrIfFin We TrUsT on Jul 23, 2010 4:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Perhaps Ming is the source
To write this post, it seems to me that he’d have to be very close to the action. The story is much too long and involved on a relatively esoteric subject for me to believe it’s just made up. It’s also well written and appears to include much more information than would be available in the mainstream media. Maybe I’m gullible, but this gets a Rec from me. Thank you for sharing.
Meanwhile I’m losing faith daily that the Clippers have their act together as an organization and are truly focused on building a winning team (as opposed to merely a proffitable one). A healthy Blake Griffin should ensure they are less bad than last year, but the actions taken this off-season do not match the previous promises. Maybe not signing Sofo is the right decision, but it definitely matters how that decision was made and how Sofo (and other prospective players) are treated.
You've heard only one side of the story
I doubt that they blew off a meeting with him. I also find it humorous that Ming suggest that the Clippers are to blame for Sofo not being able to sign a contract with a European team. If Sofo is really complaining that much before the Clippers have even signed him do we really want him? He seems to be a prima donna of sorts. Now, if he was actually someone who would play more than 10 mins a game maybe it would be worth it to deal with him . . .
Having said that, I have always been intrigued by Sofo and would like to see what he could do. I did notice, however, that when he got the ball all alone on the low block he either tried to force the action too much or allowed the ball to get stolen by guards off doubles or he was not tall enough to get the ball in the hole. Those are all issues that I am certain the coaching staff is looking at.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
One side of the story is implied by writing "Perhaps Ming is the source"
I could have been clearer in that I don’t necessarily believe every detail in the post in an objective sense, but for now I accept the general narrative. Blowing off a meeting or perhaps failing to communicate that the meeting was cancelled, doesn’t seem out of character for Clipper management considering how Dunleavy and Hughes were let go. And I’m also not going to judge Sofo’s character regarding his complaints without reading actual quotes from him. However, it’s certainly reasonable for him to be frustrated by how events transpired. He didn’t come to Vegas for a vacation.
I cannot give the Clipper front office the benefit of the doubt in this case. Primarily, I’m concerned by their indecisiveness. Having owned the draft rights to Sofo for 7 years or so, they should have known whether or not they wanted to sign him. They should have had an understanding with his agent what it would take to sign him before SL began. Actually bringing him to Summer League should have only been a formality and an opportunity for him to become more familiar with the organization.
1) If Sofo isn’t a real NBA prospect, then Clipper scouting failed to learn that prior to this off-season. SL should not have been used as a tryout.
2) If the organization flip-flopped on him because of VDN’s evaluation during SL, then I’m concerned VDN has too much influence in personnel decisions, especially in a case where VDN would appear to be acting off very limited information. VDN does not strike me as someone likely to be a successful de facto GM, and we’ve been down that road before.
3) If the snag is miscommunication or lack of communication between the Clippers and Sofo’s agent, then the FO failed to do its due diligence. It’s difficult to hold out much hope that this team will be able to successfully sign free agents who are aggressively pursued by other teams if this is their MO.
Every US coach is xenophobic
At least, according to Euro players who fail to make it in the NBA. Weiss was a famous draft bust who played his career in second-tier Euro teams as a shotblocking specialist. Could it be that he lacked the skills to make it in the NBA? Of course not, it’s the coach’s fault. Oberto was still a project who would not become a big time player for a couple of years yet. Could that be the reason why the Knicks failed to sign him? Of course not, it’s the coach! Most people would have a laugh at the notion of Spanoulis as an all-star, the same Spanoulis who is a very good player who plays hard both ends of the court but is not considered a top tier star in Europe. Maybe they would consider the story about his mother hints at homesickness and lack of adaptation. Of course not! It’s the coach, stupid! Turkcan did not play because the coach was xenophobic, and when he was picked up by the Bucks… the coach there was xenophobic as well! Think about the odds of that! Of course, one would wonder why so many coaches throw those fits about the signing of a reserve guard or a third string center, and how those coaches managed to get reporters to write such damaging articles. Meanwhile, we’ve heard that Sofo got a $6M offer from the Clippers after playing very poorly in the Summer League (not his fault, of course, he’s explained that it’s actually the Summer League’s fault); that he got a $10M offer from Pana; that the offer was for $5M; that there was no actual offer. He is being linked in the press to half a dozen teams, most of which already have full rosters. There are reports about his joining Valencia, but Valencia is a second-tier team in budget control mode and no local reports have surfaced about it. One would say it looks like an agent trying to stir up some interest for a player when he has discovered he is not getting the offers he expected… Nah, it must be the xenophobic coach, who is blackmailing all those teams.
by eurojohn on Jul 23, 2010 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
LOL when did Clipsnation turn into a gossip rag?
Ming, you are a perfect example of why you are suppose to cite sources. Where do you get your info?
Typical way to deflect the truth. Fact is that US coaches are racist. Just like most of the fans are. It is well known around the world that in the US it is considered socially acceptable to be racist in the sport of basketball.
“It’s a black man’s game”. Everywhere in the world outside of the US the NBA is considered to be racist and so are its fans.
Also, you obviously have zero knowledge about European basketball. Spanoulis not considered a star? Yeah….right and Kobe is just an average NBA player. Sure the guy with the highest contract transfer in the history of Europe is “not considered a star”. Please spare me the BS.
The only thing worse than the people that are racist is the ones that are racist and pretend not to be and do whatever they can to hide what is blatant an obvious racism.
Go to any basketball court in the US and if you are a white guy you will be subjected to blatant and open racism by every black at the court. PERIOD. It goes all the way up to NBA general managers and coaches. As Jonathan Givony said NBA GMs have even told him they would never sign or draft “a white guy”.
If a white exec said that about a black player there would be a congressional hearing and it would be on news and talk radio 24/7.
I have never talked to a European basketball fan that did not think the NBA was racist.
Fact is that US coaches are racist
Everywhere in the world outside of the US the NBA is considered to be racist and so are its fans.
Okay. You can leave now.
by Michael White on Jul 23, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
That is ridiculous
First, you think that NBA coaches are racist because they are anti-European? Or anti-white in general? Your thinking is unclear. Generally they just want to win. If VDN thought that Sofo would help us win, they would have made him a substantial offer.
Btw, if he’s so good why is no one interested over in Europe? Or is that a racist question too.
Second, now you’re calling us racists as fans? Because we might disagree with your points?
Third, how do you know how blacks and whites treat each other on the courts over here? I play basketball and am white and I can tell you that I’ve never once experienced racism by anyone on the court. Ever. Maybe you’re just failing to realize that the Euro players who don’t make it here just suck.
Fourth, why would this racism apply to Sofo? I thought he was black. Oh, I get it – he’s got two strikes against him because he’s both Euro and black. Hey at least he’ll get to go home and play. Oh, maybe not. Oops.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 23, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
A bit overboard
though there is some tinge of truth to some of what you’ve written.
Even during the entire pre-draft discussion, racial overtones were clearly influencing some people’s perceptions. Immediately players like Hayward and Babbitt were discounted and marginalized by some. Obviously not all fans think this way but a substantial amount do. Without question stereotypes and prejudices account on some level in the valuation or potential of a player, the degree of which varies from fan to fan.
It certainly is unfortunate people make assumptions based on ones ethnicity but it happens in many industries not just basketball or professional sports.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jul 23, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
So you think that some on this site marginalized players because of their race?
Seriously?
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Um, well…
At first I thought it was joking, but there were some people who in all seriousness said they wouldn’t draft Hayward because he was white.
by Michael White on Jul 23, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly
There were a few of them, I don’t agree with that view at all but there were a few who did, check the comments yourself.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jul 23, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow - I stand corrected
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
are you kidding me
you are coming to a blog where most people are americans and calling them racist. WOW.
Weiss could never play here
he’d piss himself at least twice a year, when his team played vince carter’s
This post is uber Zhivian
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Is it worth reading?
Isn’t this a strange Clipsnation phenomenon on its own? Is Ming the guy who reported the original deal, that turned out to be false? He was linking to another report, I think, but this is a bizarre and unprecedented approach.
In the Zhiv world there’s a topic, it’s pretty clear, there’s a lengthy commentary, perhaps wide-ranging, some specualtion at times, you find it readable or not, but it’s not about a questionable world and questionable information. But maybe I’m wrong about this.
Uber Zhivian, at the very least.
by citizen zhiv on Jul 23, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I meant uber Zhivian in length only!!!
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
I read it now
Interesting. Okay. Not going to take it as gospel, but it’s an intriguing tale.
Hard to say about VDN. It’s interesting to see material that shows VDN as being relatively clueless, not very interested in the subtleties. The stuff about Van Gundy and international players is the most specious element. NBA guys know that players are players. They may think that 2nd tier Euros (leaving out Nowitzki, Gasol, etc.) have some deficiencies, but these must be basketball decisions, and no coach would say to a guy on his roster that you’re never going to play just because you’re European.
That being said, VDN’s stance, whatever it might be, deserves some clarity and attention. The idea of locking up Rhino first is a good one. The idea that Olshey likes Sofo and made him an offer of 2yrs/6 mil is the notable item.
We’ll see.
by citizen zhiv on Jul 23, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Who knows if/why they blew off a meeting?
My guess is that Sofo was given a promise of some sort – come play in summer league, and we’ll sign you to an offer. When his performance was lacking, they probably panicked and wondered how they can get out of the situation. Blowing off someone is certainly possible. Go on a first date, guy/girl likes you more than you do him/her, you might not return the other person’s calls. Sooner or later, they get the hint. But to entice Sofo to fly from Greece to play in summer league exhibitions, when he had years and years of video as a resume, my guess is that some sort of deal was made and it was broken after his play. No racism involved here.
bruisers
I don’t know if Sofo would help us win any games, but with Smith and Griffin as well, you’d have to like our chances in a brawl.
trade value
Do you think his rights have any trade value at this point. Not that he can get Chris Paul, but maybe he’s another piece that can help us get him or someone else of value. Especially if he decides he definitely wants to be in the NBA
just wait until Kahn gets the urge to hoard bigs...
by banandy on Jul 23, 2010 9:33 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Did you see...
His Beasly/weed comments…and that the NBA fined him $50k?
Kaaaaahhhhhhnnnnnn!!!!!
"I want someone who will, you know, let me put it in or who [will] suck on it." – Donald Sterling
Thats a lot of weed
50k goes a long way with a medicinal marijuana license.
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FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jul 23, 2010 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Never gets old...
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"I want someone who will, you know, let me put it in or who [will] suck on it." – Donald Sterling
red flags when no greek team wants him..as a starter or main backup
Too much drama for a 10 min guy. If that’s the case, Rhino is the clear winner.
You can’t totally blame the org for “screwing” around with the guy if he’s not worth it and they didn’t have consensus on him.
by banandy on Jul 23, 2010 9:31 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Bah I'd rather wait for what the final outcome is
Rather than watching all this drama unfold on who’s doing this and that with cited and uncited sources. Only thing for certain is that Sofo’s not playing for the Clippers next year, is going to sign a contract in Europe, and we still have his rights.
Matt Barnes is 2010's Ramon Sessions
He is now a Laker.
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
if we signed sofo to trade
who do you think we could get?
by Piatkowski fan! on Jul 23, 2010 3:24 PM PDT reply actions
15 used basketballs...
4 cans of Cambell’s soup and a package of Hostess cakes
"I want someone who will, you know, let me put it in or who [will] suck on it." – Donald Sterling
Well, Ming is rather well-known around the internet.
On Insidehoops, he posts as “Lakas Fan Yo” and is regarded as a troll of the highest degree, posting “information” while never citing sources. He also has been banned from RealGM multiple times for posting inanity. So, take anything he says with a grain of salt.
Stuck in limbo.
That makes sense
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