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Team USA - A Three Year Commitment, Unless You Can't Commit To That

I've ranted about this before, and I'll probably rant about this again, but I just think it's so funny how Jerry Colangelo supposedly completely overhauled USA Basketball, and had all kinds of praises heaped on him for getting the USA back to the Gold Medal podium in Beijing, when in fact it's just been business as usual the entire time.

Let's start with the obvious fact: the US has the best basketball players in the world and therefore should be the favorite to win the Gold Medal in any major international event. As it happens, the US has one Gold and one Bronze in their major two events under the direction of Colangelo. So I ask you: is that a good record?

The big changes that USA Basketball supposedly underwent in 2006 never seemed so big to me. They won in 2008 because they had the best basketball players, and in particular great point guard play with the internationally unretired Jason Kidd and developing stars Chris Paul and Deron Williams.

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Among the changes Colangelo supposedly implemented were a real try out, the inclusion of role players and a three year commitment. But at the end of the day, the 2008 team, the supposed Redeem Team, was an All-Star team just like all the teams had been before. It was a very, very good all star team, that much is clear. But let's not pretend like it was a new and improved process that won Gold in Beijing when Kobe Bryant played in his first Olympics, where he was joined by LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Carmelo Anthony, Chris Bosh, Dwight Howard, Carlos Boozer, Michael Redd, Kidd, Paul and Williams. The only guy anywhere close to a role player was Tayshaun Prince. And if we're to believe Ken Berger's version of events, LeBron was a prima donna that no one in Team USA particularly wanted there, but they kept him anyway. So they didn't reject any stars, and they didn't take any role players. So how is that a new way of doing things? They just picked a super talented team, like they always try to do.

As for the three year commitment, well not a single one of the twelve members of the 2008 team will be participating in the World Championships in Turkey this summer. And Colangelo, the man behind the super brilliant 'three year commitment' says "I'm OK with that."

Look, I understand that he wants to have the best players on the team when London 2012 comes around, so he can't afford to burn any bridges with these guys. And I understand that Bryant's finger hurts and that James, Wade, Bosh and Boozer are all free agents (believe me, I understand about the free agents). But don't go around saying it's a three year commitment if it's not a three year commitment. And don't take credit for a bold new process that brought Gold back to America when it's just the same old process of asking the best players and hoping they say yes.

The US has only won the World Championships once, in 1994. Why? Because we don't take them as seriously as we take the Olympics, and we end up sending lesser teams. Don't get me wrong. Mistakes have been made with choosing the teams even from the available talent pool, and it's obvious that the teams have had enough good players to win, so other problems have contributed as well. But the main reason the US lost in Japan in 2006 and in Indy in 2002 is because we had the wrong players there.

It's worth noting, with the World Cup just concluded, that in international football, it is the World Championship (a.k.a. the World Cup) that everyone cares about, not the Olympics. And in the rest of the World, the World Championships of basketball are certainly equal to the Olympics. But in the US we seem to view it as a distraction, as some wacky little tournament that's quaint and cute and all, but that isn't really worth taking seriously. We know why the free agents aren't playing (though of course that's a joke as well, since they'll all be well settled into their new contracts by September). What about Dwight Howard and Carmelo Anthony? Why aren't they playing? Colangelo says "it's a combination of ... free agency, injuries and having gone hard for a long time." Perfectly reasonable, right? Only, what about the three year commitment? Is it, "We absolutely positively need a three year commitment from you, unless that's inconvenient because you've been going hard for a long time, in which case a one year commitment is plenty"? And what exactly is a one year commitment other than "Here's the 2012 London Olympic team"?

Back to the actual blueprint for winning, the keys are not really that complicated. Obviously you have to have a good team. More specifically, the things that are unique to international success (and the things that undid prior editions of Team USA) are point guard play and outside shooting.

In that sense, the team might be OK in Turkey, even without the Beijing vets. The team has Chauncey Billups, Derrick Rose, Rajon Rondo, Russell Westbrook and Tyreke Evans in camp (though Evans tweaked an ankle and has been unable to participate most of the week). Billups will likely be fine, despite the fact that he'll be a month shy of his 35th birthday when the tournament starts. Rose will hopefully be OK, though it's worth noting that in a similar situation in Japan (a couple years into the NBA, playing in his first international competition) Paul was inadequate. Westbrook and/or Evans would probably be disasters, the type of scoring, poor shooting, high turnover point guards that have kept Team USA off the top step, or even off the podium altogether (see Davis, Baron, Iverson, Allen).

As for outside shooting, let's hope they choose wisely from the players currently on the roster. Billups would certainly help. At the small forward, Kevin Durant is a lock, and may be the X factor for Team USA that helps them win Gold. Danny Granger would be helpful.  Andre Iguodala would be a mistake - the second coming of Shawn Marion at the World's. Stephen Curry would be a good choice as a designated shooter.

Clipper Eric Gordon has a chance, if the team values shooting and defense. Gordon is probably the second best shooter currently in camp behind Curry, and is a much better defender than Steph. There are currently 19 players trying to make the final 12 man roster. The point guard competition is pretty intense, but Gordon and Curry and O.J. Mayo are really the only true shooting guards in camp.  Now, they could decide to use Kevin Durant or Andre Iguodala at shooting guard, but they actually tend to play smaller, not bigger, in these things (think LeBron James at power forward).  They could also play some of their point guards together... but I'd be worried about the perimeter shooting if, say, Derrick Rose and Russell Westbrook were out there at the same time.  So Gordon would seem to have a chance, if he's having a good camp.

At Vinny Del Negro's introductory press conference, I joked with Neil Olshey that the Clippers could conceivably have four representatives at the World Championships this summer: Sofoklis Schortsanitis playing for Greece, Chris Kaman for Germany, and Gordon and Blake Griffin for the US. Well, we're down to Gordon as the last great hope. Sofo will be there of course, but he's not going to be a Clipper (the rumors that the Clippers made an offer may turn out to be just that, rumors). Kaman has said he's not playing for Germany since his buddy Dirk Nowitzki chose not to play. Griffin would be a lock to make the team given the dearth of quality bigs in camp after various issues and injuries, but in the end he and the Clippers decided not to risk an injury when he has still yet to play his first NBA game. That leaves Gordon.

Eleven of the 19 players in camp are under the age of 22. Will the kids be alright in Turkey? I have to go back to 1988 in Seoul. The US won the Bronze medal that year, when a team featuring David Robinson, Danny Manning, Dan Majerle and Mitch Richmond before they entered the NBA was unable to overcome teams of grown men from the USSR and Yugoslavia. The Soviets featured Sarunas Marciulionis, Arvydas Sabonis and Alexandr Volkov, while the Yugos had Drazen Petrovic, Toni Kukoc and Vlade Divac. (Of course those guys wouldn't all be on the same team now, since the USSR has since broken up into Russia, Lithuania, Ukraine and others, while Yugoslavia is now Serbia and Bosnia and others - how good would those teams be this year if they could recombine along the Soviet era borders?)

The real point here is that the original Dream Team was formed in 1992 for the Barcelona Olympics because of the reality that college kids couldn't compete with grown men. Twenty years later the NBA has changed to the point that most of the NBA players we'll be sending to Turkey will be younger than the college 'kids' we sent to Seoul. I'm just saying.

Here's a little subplot on the Worlds. The winner automatically qualifies for the Olympics. Everyone else has to go through regional qualifying tournaments next summer. Regardless of how you feel about the likelihood of a potential lockout in 2011, there's basically no way that NBA players will be playing during the summer while a contentious new CBA is being negotiated. As was the case during the last lockout in 1998, Team USA will have to be put together from non-NBA players for the Tournament of the America's. Will that team finish high enough to secure an Olympic bid? Probably.

But as for continuity and the 'three year commitment'? Forget it. It's entirely possible that the US fields one team in 2010 at the Worlds, an entirely different team in 2011 at the Tournament of the Americas, and then a third team in 2012 in London when LeBron and Kobe and Wade and everyone else rejoins the program. It's fine. It's the reality of big time basketball in the US. But I'm tired of Jerry Colangelo saying that it's different than before. It's exactly the same.

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I'm with you.

All that Redeem Team hub-ub was nonsense. We took the bronze in 2004 for three reasons. The USA had become complacent not taking the Olympics seriously, Larry Brown refused to play talented young guys (per usual), and the talent level was anchored by Allen Iverson, Tim Duncan, and Stephon freaking Marbury.

We won gold because of who was on the team: Kobe, Howard, Melo, etc. The 2004 team had LeBron, Carmelo, and Wade in their second years and Amar’e in his third. It also had zero outside shooters. Colangelo was hailed as a genius for fixing that hole, yet he only took ONE shooter in Michael Redd.

I’m far from a flag waver, but the US can win gold anytime it wants if it sends the cream of the NBA crop. Jermaine O’Neal, when he wasn’t Peg Leg, and Shaquille O’Neal, Kobe, and the other Elite simply said no in 2004.

"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's going down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.

by Gordon for President on Jul 23, 2010 4:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Team should be fine

As long as there are more Rondo’s and Durant’s and less Gay’s and Mayo’s.

There is a strong chance it could be Durant and an all-underrated team which would be fun. This would actually be different than the usual almost-all-overrated team.

Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball

by John R on Jul 23, 2010 4:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Agreed - no average players

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jul 23, 2010 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

USA Scrimmage on TV Saturday

The Team USA Scrimmage at Las Vegas will take place tomorrow at 7PM pacific time on ESPN2. Also, I found one person (http://twitter.com/JeffRabjohns) saying that Eric Gordon would be playing on the same team as Durant, Rose, and Odom. It will be exciting watching Eric Gordon compete with all these up and coming players.

Sources:
http://www.nba.com/2010/news/07/22/teamusa.sked/index.html

by ClipperTheorist on Jul 23, 2010 4:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Some FIBA Rules

For those that are unfamiliar with FIBA rules here is a link to some of the rules: http://www.usabasketball.com/rules/index.html

One thing to take away from this is that the three point line is still shorter than it is in the NBA (I think) so shooting become more valuable, as well as perimeter defense.

by ClipperTheorist on Jul 23, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

really? hmmmm....interesting.....gives gordon even more of a boost.... :)

"Put the icing on the cake ladies and gentlemen" - Ralph Lawler vs. The Grizzlies

by In GrIfFin We TrUsT on Jul 23, 2010 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, FIBA use a 20ft 6in 3pt line

They are extending it to 22ft 2in, but that change doesn’t take effect until October 1st.

9:21 LAC - Offensive foul on C. Smith

by LancasterGordon4Eva on Jul 24, 2010 1:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Gordon played well in his 26 minutes

16 points (4-7 3pt) and he was on the winning team.

As of 7-25-2010 he is on the cut line. I would think they would want a guy that doesn’t need the ball in his hands, can put the ball on the floor, stretch the defense and play great on ball defense, but from what I am hearing they are going with Stephen Curry (Too skinny, plays out of control, and lacks defensive on ball skills) and Mayo (not as good of a defender as Gordon).

Here are the 12-13 that should go to Turkey, again I say “should”.

PG Derrick Rose
PG Rajon Rondo
PG Chauncey Billups
SG OJ Mayo
SG Eric Gordon
SG Stephen Curry
SF Kevin Durant
SF Rudy Gay
SF Andre Iguodala
PF Kevin Love
PF Lamar Odom
 C Brook Lopez
 C Tyson Chandler

by NBAFAN8 on Jul 25, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Granger looked lost out there last night

Just 5 points (2-5 shooting) and 5 fouls in 20 minutes. Granger brings nothing to the table that the other small forwards can’t do.

I would rather have Durant, Gay, and Iguodala.

by NBAFAN8 on Jul 25, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

He brings size

he can play the 4 in International ball. Besides it was one scrimmage, the team will make their decision based off the practices this week.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jul 25, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

He has been

its actually the other way around, he’s not known as a big time player because he plays on a small-market team in the Pacers. The Pacers aren’t even that bad, they won 33 more games the last 3 years than the Clippers. What does this say about EJ, Kaman or Baron?

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jul 25, 2010 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Granger was a rookie in 2005

EJ is 21 years old entering his third season and through two seasons he is averaging 16.4 points per game, 45% fg, 38% 3pt, and 3.0 assists. EJ has a much higher ceiling than Granger.

In Grangers first two seasons he averaged 10.7 points per game, 46% fg, 34% 3pt, and 1.3 assists. Granger is now 27 years old with a career average of 17.7 points per game.

by NBAFAN8 on Jul 25, 2010 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Look at the stats per 36

and its not even close. Granger had either Peja and Ron Artest ahead of him his rookie year. EJ didn’t get a chance to play much until Mobley was traded.

We will find out how good EJ can be this year as last year was a disappointment but will find out is he still has ample room to grow or is he already near his ceiling.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jul 25, 2010 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not much

they won on average 11 games more per season the last 3 years. The difference is conference play isn’t that great (they still play 30 games against the other conference each year).

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jul 25, 2010 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

neither are good records

41-41 is hardly impressive either. I’m saying its odd for a Clipper fan to call a team that has been better a really bad team. What does that make the Clippers? Really really bad?

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jul 26, 2010 1:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

You really need to join up with the Miami Heat

No one is claiming the Clippers had any success over these past three seasons…for you to kick them while they’re already down is just lame. No really, you’re being lame.

by banandy on Jul 26, 2010 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kicking them when they are down?

I’m trying to lget them to stand back up, many of you are telling them its okay to stay down.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jul 26, 2010 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

lame and wrong - what kind of response is that? don't be silly...

You prop up Indy: “The Pacers aren’t even that bad…” but later admit “neither are good records” and that 41-41 is “hardly impressive”.

All this to say that you argue/criticize/spin out of convenience…all the while condemning EJ, Kaman and Baron.

At least man up and admit you’ve been taking a crap on the Clippers. Frankly, I’d respect you a lot more if you did.

by banandy on Jul 26, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

Frankly whats this crap about respect from you and Jax. Sorry not to hurt anyone’s feelings but I don’t know you guys, in Jax’s case I don’t even like the guy. As long as my friends and family respect me (and they do) I’m quite content.

Any who I’m pointing out how silly it is for people to talk trash about how bad Granger is when talking up EJ. Doesn’t make sense. 33-49 isn’t a good record either but its not awful. The Clippers weren’t awful (see Nets) last year but they weren’t good…. or even average. The Bulls were average last year. Big frigging deal, sports is about succeeding and yes winning since that’s the easiest way to measure success in professional sports. The Clippers have done little of that haven’t they? Until the Clippers start winning more games than they lose (something they rarely do) and make the playoffs on a regular basis then we the “true fans” of the Clippers should be demanding more.

You want to tell your loser friend its okay to ruin their life, go for it. I try to help my friends succeed, even if the medicine tastes bad.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jul 26, 2010 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow, and this whole time I thought you were dogging my team...it turns out it's just your way of showing tough love.

I’m willing to read and respond to criticisms about the team and its players, I’m objective enough to not drink homerade, but you seemed to have crossed a line that consistently mocks and disrespects this team…sadly, you even twist words and logic to support your disdain while ignoring any positives whenever it’s convenient for your countless/pointless arguments.

I get that you’re not happy with the past two years or ALL of the moves this summer. Your “medicine” would go down better if you did it with some class, but as it is, you’re disrespecting the Clippers and that’s not cool. I’ve tried refraining from saying any of this to you, since you’re right, we don’t know each other and I’m sure you could care less about some anonymous internet poster…but you freaking post so frequently that it’s hard to ignore your snarky comments out of each thread.

by banandy on Jul 26, 2010 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pointless?

they are facts, show me some stats supporting otherwise I’ll gladly look at them. Tell me adding a couple of backups from bad teams while not addressing out biggest problem and I’ll call it out as a failed move. Forget about giving these guys more time, how long do we give them before we just write these guys off? DTS writes some unprofessional letter about “unlimited resources” blah blah blah and this is what we get? Seriously? Anyways all these threads etc are pointless because we don’t have any actual influence on the Clippers front office. Maybe, just maybe if enough fans are unhappy the team will make a move (possibly the firing of MDSr is evidence of such). Continuing to blindly support this team for every move is exactly how NOT to get this team to succeed.

Twist words or logic? When? I can give you a concrete answer on where I stand on every Clippers decision of the past 3 years. I actually back my views up with articles or stats where applicable. If its just my opinion, I clearly state it as such.

Not trying intentionally trying to be snarky, really I’m not but keep in mind by posts are really only directly personally at Jax and yes those are quite intentional. If it makes me classless or what not, that’s the price I pay for engaging someone as annoying as Jax, who to me anyways, clearly deserves it.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jul 26, 2010 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not trying to be snarky? Fine, do me a favor - try and refrain from sarcasm for like a day, a week if possible.

Yes, we all know you, Jax and John R love going at it…but, you don’t need to sabotage this whole community in the process.

And yeah, some of your arguments can be pointless and basically just look like you are arguing for the sake of arguing…I’m not going to bother showing you the proof since you’ll probably deny it anyway. You seem to have this need to have the last say in the matter…you don’t win an argument so much as you just wear the other guy. Sorry, I’m not trying to be mean with that comment…I think you do make a lot of good points, you’ve just gotten a little more annoying than usual. =)

by banandy on Jul 26, 2010 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I find you annoying

because you disagree with me, ha just kidding. You tend to find people annoying if they don’t agree with you or disagree with them. I’m sure liberals find Glenn Beck annoying and conservatives find Jon Stewart annoying, such is life.

Anyways if you comment on my comment I’ll most likely respond, if you don’t want me to comment then don’t comment on my comment. You get my comment? Cool, feel free to leave a comment.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jul 26, 2010 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, it is a bummer that the World's are not taken seriously

2008 led me to prefer international basketball to NBA basketball. It was great watching the best US players on the same team. I think regional competetion has more meaning than professional sports (which ain’t saying much).

I would love to see a tournament where the best players from New York take on the best players from LA, Texas, the Midwest, Florida, the south.

We may be the best basketball country in the world, but it’s still fun to remind the rest of the world from time to time.

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Jul 23, 2010 4:35 PM PDT reply actions  

good read

but the team looks like it will be fun to watch. no kobe-type players that are hard to cheer for. too bad blake can’t play.

by jon y on Jul 23, 2010 5:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Wait a minute

Didn’t Kobe et al. give their 3 year commitments?
Year 1 – 2007 – Qualifying tournament in Vegas
Year 2 – 2008 – Beijing Olympics
Year 3 – 2009 – No competition

by Polish Rifle on Jul 24, 2010 8:21 AM PDT reply actions  

That's a funny way to do it...

I think you’re being facetious, but the real question has to do with 2012. If Colangelo believed in the 3 year commitment, then the 2010 team would, by and large, make up the 2012 Olympic team. Certainly guys like Howard and Anthony, who’s only reason for not playing was that they were tired, wouldn’t be there.

Or do they get credit for making a 9 year commitment, that started in Athens? Bottom line is, it’s business as usual… it’s an all star team, and the stars who show up make the team, commitment or not.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jul 24, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was off by a year

The commitments were from 2006-2008 since that was the start of the Coach K era and the 2006 team included James, Bosh, Wade and Howard. So like I said, some people did fulfill their commitments. As for the other guys (Kobe, Kidd, etc), they had their reasons (excuses) and in the end, they are not forced to play since they didn’t actually sign contracts with such a requirement.

by Polish Rifle on Jul 24, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

So I ask you: is that a good record?

On another note, this is harsh criticism of the teams. More importantly than the makeup of the team, as you mention, is the fact that the national team does not play enough together. A couple of weeks every year just doesn’t cut it. Even with the guys they had in Beijing, they barely beat Spain. However, it’s easy to imagine that the same team with 40 or so games together would have blown out Spain.

by Polish Rifle on Jul 24, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Gordon a future super star.

Everyone loves to play with Gordon not because he is a natural shooter (before the game in practice Gordon hit17 /20 three pointers and they were NBA 3’s and plays a strong defense probably the best of all the guards but he knows spacing and passes the ball.All the players are very comfortable playing with him. Rose and Gordon will be poetry in Motion.

by Vegas Mike on Jul 25, 2010 12:14 AM PDT reply actions  

Yeah and Gordon seems to have worked on his handles as well

he is looking good, and this experience with team USA should help his confidence and push him out of his shell.

"baron doesn’t need electricity, he generates power from the BEARD"
Worlock

by bestclipfan on Jul 25, 2010 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

+1

Colangelo and Coach K both said the samething about D-Rose and EJ.

by NBAFAN8 on Jul 25, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Erick Griffen STAY AWAY FROM THE USA TEAM

Just stay away from this team

Its BS!! Your a pro.. Why risk your health for this BS.. Ask Elton Brand who has never been the same.. Ask Chris Kaman who took a full year to get back to his normal self
it hurts the players performance in the following NBA season

by JohnnyRockU on Jul 30, 2010 2:16 PM PDT reply actions  

ERic GORDON

I can spell !!!

Just stay away from this team

Its BS!! Your a pro.. Why risk your health for this BS.. Ask Elton Brand who has never been the same.. Ask Chris Kaman who took a full year to get back to his normal self
it hurts the players performance in the following NBA season

by JohnnyRockU on Jul 30, 2010 2:17 PM PDT reply actions  

ok now you can spell

if only you could learn to capitalize.

"baron doesn’t need electricity, he generates power from the BEARD"
Worlock

by bestclipfan on Jul 30, 2010 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

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