Introducing the Coaching Stylings of Vinny Del Negro
So yeah, I went to the press conference today. In fact, right at the beginning of the Prime Ticket coverage, there's a pretty clear shot of my bald spot at the bottom of the screen. Yup, that's me. Not my best side.
What can I tell you about it? Not much. You can see for yourself on the video. It's a lot of happy talk. At least one thing seems clear: the Clippers are going to "play the right way."
The reasons Olshey gave for choosing VDN were all the ones we've already talked about: (1) he is willing to play youngsters (three starters under 25 in Chicago, six players under 22 in LA); (2) he had his team playing hard at the end of the season. Make no mistake - those things are real and they're significant. Whatever flaws he may have as a tactician, his guys were playing hard in April and that counts for something. Olshey's pretty smooth at selling whatever idea he wants to get across, and that was the big message today - we want to develop a winning culture, and we think Vinny Del Negro can help us do that.
The thing I'm going to be watching closely is the coaching staff that he builds. The first meeting of the Summer League roster is Thursday night - the first practice is Friday morning. Everyone was noncommittal on time frames, but the simple fact is that the summer league team needs a bench coach, and it ain't gonna be VDN. They already have a person in mind for the summer league job, and presumably he'll be in LA tomorrow, and presumably he'll be a part of the coaching staff next season. Last season's Clipper assistants are all being considered for the new staff as well.
There's also a broader question concerning the assistant coaches. We've discussed how VDN had never coached before he took the Chicago job, how he might not be the strongest Xs and Os guy, and how a strong assistant can help compensate for some of those shortcomings. VDN's first season in Chicago, he had Del Harris and Bernie Bickerstaff as assistants. The second season he had Bickerstaff. Harris and Bickerstaff each have 14 years of head coaching experience themselves.
Does VDN need an old hand on the bench with him? Or at any rate, did someone in Chicago think he did? I asked Olshey if the Clippers would be looking to add a similarly experienced person on VDN's LA staff, and without saying 'no' he more or less said 'no'. He talked about the youth on the team, and how it important it was to have a coaching staff that could relate to the players. He referenced Del Negro's playing days as not being too far in the past and implied that that was an advantage as well. I took it all to mean, no Bickerstaff (which is not a bad thing, I've never been a big fan of Bernie Bickerstaff). But in the back of your mind, because, you know, it's the Clippers, you kind of assume they'd never be willing to pay enough to lure a former head coach to the an assistant's spot (though of course they did it with John Lucas).
At any rate, the coaching staff will be a key subplot to keep tabs of over the next few weeks.
Whoever they hire, I'm sure they're going to "coach the right way."
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It usually does...
My friend works with the Laker’s and he is under contract with Phil Jackson. However, the team can choose to retain Jasen Powell, but why the hell would they do that. He has a bad track record with injuries
I want the trainer
EXACTLY like the one for the lakers.
Even the Clippers, those longtime losers, thought they could be a player this summer.
Jason Powell was here before Dunleavy and others
He’s been with the Clippers for a long time and will probably stay with them. It is the biggest travesty for our team, I know.
No I want the Sun's trainer
he is the only man able to keep Grant Hill from getting injured.
LeBron or Bust !!!!
He is the only man who can keep Grant Hill walking.
He is the only man who can keep Steve Nash playing until he is 60 (in USA years, not Canadian years)
He is the only man who can keep Shaq’s Shell on the court for the majority of a season.
He once watched Grant Hill get hit by a truck. Grant Hill was not hurt. This is because the trainer for the Suns is NBA Chuck Norris.
you have no idea about the Suns training staff do you?
not a lot of people actually have a clue about the Suns staff. If they did we wouldn’t get those “let’s hire the Suns guys” comments
They are the regarded as the NBA's finest
They keep Nash’s back and body in peak shape. Most of all, they got Shaq back in the best condiiton he’s been in in years. Look at how he looked in Cleveland last year versus what he was in Phoenix. Finally, look at Grant Hill. He hadn’t played on those ankles in forever, yet he was in peak condition all year.
by RAR on Jul 8, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions
or that Nelson
just signed a new contract.
I know what his accomplishments are.
If you also want to know more so you guys can stop complaining about Powell and his methods
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/0929suns-train0930.html
Powell is a pioneer in the NBA just like Aaron Nelson.
In fact the National Academy of Sports Medicine main research headquarters is located in Phoenix. That is how they get a hold of the baddest and newest treatments. Sot it also has to do about location with the Suns.
I hope everyone is a little more informed.
Well...
That may be and thanks for posting, but can you explain why year in and year out we have more injuries than the majority of the other NBA teams or why our recovery times are remarkably slow OR why Blake was misdiagnosed? Some is probably bad luck and some is probably agents telling players not to rush back to play for a losing team but his track record over the years is just plain terrible….
"I want someone who will, you know, let me put it in or who [will] suck on it." – Donald Sterling
"Right Way" in the extreme
Let’s hope the right way can contribute to a winning record and plenty of effort.
At least I have to say, you can tell he really wants to be here.
The "right way" could also imply...
that one of our “prominent” players could be on his way out of town before you and I know it. Like one of my fellow CN citizens noted, I hope Olshey and uncle Vinny (or whomever has the actual authority) show Jasen Powell and his staff the door as well.
I wish we can start on a COMPLETE clean slate, but for now, it’s the best we can do.
by Shawn H on Jul 7, 2010 10:31 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
+1
It may be a Laker town but we are a CLIPPER NATION!!!
"I may work in the mud,but I certainly like to play up in the clouds"
steve
did you by any chance address if there was a split between picking casey and vdn amongst basketball management and sterling or if it was a unified decision at the end of the day? lots of rumors that olshey wanted casey and sterling wanted vdn and sterling won out. did olshey seem to really stress the youth and playing experience as being that of his own and part of his decision to pick vdn?
id be a lot more confident if i knew this was a choice made ultimately by olshey, and not sterling. i like olshey but we don’t need a pushover gm who’s having strings pulled by sterling, whos only product has been decades of losing.
Not the time really
The rumors are out there, but no one’s going to come out and say, on the day of the press conference “this wasn’t my choice.” Everyone was on message today.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Jul 7, 2010 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey Steve,
Did Olshey mention that they picked Del Negro because they’ll save money on his first year if they pay him less than a 2.3million?
There's a misconception on this point
VDN is owed $2.2M by the Bulls, I believe. That has no bearing on what the Clippers pay him, other than to the extent that he might be willing to accept less. But whatever the Clippers pay him decreases the amount Chicago owes him. No one was answering questions about contract terms at any rate, but I think the money Chicago owes him is being overblown. Might he have been willing to take a little less because he still has his Chicago deal? It’s possible. But the Bulls aren’t going to let anyone get away with signing a three year contract where the Clippers pay him zero in year one. In the end, I doubt he was the less expensive candidate of the two, truth be told.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Jul 7, 2010 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions
That was my gut reaction to the issue
as well but I didn’t know the facts until now. That seems to refute a position stated by many around these parts that VDN was chosen because he was markedly cheaper than Casey.
Interesting.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
David Aldridge had this:
“It’s believed Del Negro has an “offset” with the Bulls which would require Chicago to pay the difference if the Clippers are paying Del Negro less than the $2 million remaining on the final year of his Bulls contract."
It’s hearsay I guess, but might have triggered the larger rumor. Coupled with the rumor that DTS had ceased paying Mike Dunleavy AND his former assistants… it all starts to sound like Donald Sterling circa 2000.
If the Clippers want to eliminate bad rumors they have to act proactively in some kind of transparent way. A firm denial of the rumor by Olshey or Roeser wouldn’t hurt would it?
True - good point
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
Weird that you would try to use it to make a point though.
At any rate, doesn’t eliminate racism or any other plain old irrationality for why Sterling wanted him. Too bad the basketball people lost on that decision.
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
OMG
So in your mind the mere fact that VDN is white means that DTS could have made a racist decision.
I guess the fact that most of the players on his team are black doesn’t matter to you in making such a ridiculous point.
Feel free not to post such thoughts in response to my comments to others.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
OMG
is it really impossible to imagine that DTS is a racist? Don’t racists often employ blacks? History shows that many racists have employed/enslaved blacks.
I’m going to have to suggest that you are definitely “arguing to argue” here.
I think John was saying that you can’t rule it out. He also raises the possibility that DTS chose VDN for some other irrational reason.
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
But Clips have had black coaches before...
I don’t think the hiring of VDN is a racial issue. It might be stupid, but doesn’t seem racially motivated.
They have had a few
Don Cheney and Alvin Gentry were hired specifically to be head coaches. Two others had brief stints (Dennis Johnson and Mack Calvin). I believe DJ was the coach after Gentry was fired… Calvin coached for 2 games (unsure why).
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jul 8, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
I seem to recall that they had a black GM for 25 years or so
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Heh
you mean the same one suing him right now?
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jul 8, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Wait, I thought EBSr was just a puppet
Damn it, Jax. I can’t keep up with you.
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
I always felt the same
Pretty sure he was just window dressing. Look I got a hall of famer working in the front office. I can make him pick up donuts and coffee for me.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jul 8, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
He was - that was thrown in there for comedy
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
But it's not impossible, either
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
Obviously he discriminated against minorities in connection with his apartment buildings
But I don’t think he discriminates against blacks in connection with the basketball team. Just look at the makeup of the team.
You also can’t rule out that Elgin Baylor is going to be one of his assistant coaches. But I think that we all know that’s not going to happen.
I’m not arguing, I’m just pointing out how dumb the point is. See the responses below. If you want to pick up John R’s incorrect points feel free to do so. He’s just looking for reasons to bash the team.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
I just noticed the new Clipsnation headline.
Thank you SP! My pleas worked, but all credit goes to Aminu due to his fine way with words.
"Smart dudes that know the game of basketball." - Al-Farouq Aminu referring to his new teammates
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I think people are getting a little carried away with the number of zero’s used in these “+1” comments.
by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Hyper inflation?
Anything above 12 0’s is too much… I mean once you past the billions you start to outnumber the world population.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jul 8, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Empty rhetoric
Did some PR guy advise VDN to repeat the “Right way” phrase over and over, or is our new coach just annoying? I hope he has something more substantive to say to our players.
I happy to see that I’m not the only one who’s a little turned off. A sharp politician seems like he’s saying something w/o committing to anything. Maybe Vinnie’s just not very good at that sort of role.
"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT
He's excited
Dood said I’m excited six times in a two minute speech. I can’t ever remember hearing MDSr say he was excited. If he said it, he was lying.
Glad Blake was there… class move on his part.
Good Feeling
i got a good feeling about VDN as new coach forsure its an upgrade from MD. i think we got a bright future ahead guys! young and talented. lets go clippers!
That D doesn't stand for Del Negro does it?
I’m hoping that things will work out for the best. We had a team that was better than our record last season. This year we’re bringing in Blake and hopefully some other nice pieces. Things are looking up. Obviously, we’ll have a better idea once the coaching staff is hired and the rest of the roster is filled out. I want improvement and growth. If he can get this team to buy into a hustle and hard work mentality, then I’ll be content with that.
by Lawler 4ever on Jul 7, 2010 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions
No "old hand" on the bench?
Maybe it was your choice of words Steve, but… is Dwane Casey an “old hand”? (He’s 52). Is Olshey saying, “It’s Vinny’’s choice.” or “We don’t want a bunch of old guys like Kim Hughes and Dwane Casey hanging around our young guys.” Huh? You almost hired Casey as head coach didn’t you?
Or is he saying, “We don’t want a bunch of guys looking over our coach’s shoulder.” That might be more reasonable. Or is he saying, “Gee I hadn’t thought about it.” Which is, you know, kind of disturbing.
I guess I don’t really like any of these answers.
Its all about good feelings right now
You say a bunch of stuff about change without really saying anything, then you allow everyone to project onto you whatever they want.
None of the actual words mean anything.
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
Potemkin GM
The parallels are uncanny. You know what I’m talking about.
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
We'll see what happens
Such negative arguments are just a tad premature, no?
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Yes, they are a bit premature in Olshey's case
but not in the case of the other fella I’m referring to.
I certainly hope Olshey ends up actually having substance.
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
Got it
Olshey seems to have done a good job in the draft and hired a coach that some are praising and some are not. The proof will be in how the team responds. It’s a young team, so it will take a while, but the signs will be there either way.
The other guy has paid out alot of money to his players and has spent $50 M on a practice facility. Yes, he’s very cheap and a douche, but it’s not like he’s holding them back. Their old coach and GM (you know who I’m talking about) made some bad decisions that the other guy went along with and that they are still dealing with.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
I don't think I got it...
I understand the Potemkin reference, but not to whom you’re referring. Sorry to be so thick but is it Dun or DTS? (You did say “Potemkin GM”.)
It's irrelevant
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
You desrve no condescension
My comment takes the thread in a direction which I’ve decided not to go. That’s all.
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
Olshey seems to have done a good job in the draft and hired a coach that some are praising and some are not
That’s a very inaccurate statement. Most pundits feel the Clippers have done a good job in the draft but most of these same pundits think the Clippers made a big mistake hiring VDN. I wouldn’t group it to sound as if this was a 50/50 split when its more like a 80/20 split.
Yes, he’s very cheap and a douche, but it’s not like he’s holding them back.
Doesn’t that sounds something that does/would hold a team back. Perception is reality no?
The other guy has paid out alot of money to his players and has spent $50 M on a practice facility
The Clippers are routinely among the teams carrying the lowest payroll year over year. Hardly a time to pat them on the back when then are always in the bottom 20%. Practice facility? You mean DTS dared to do what most teams have already had for twenty years? Making the team practice at the Spectrum Club or Southwest College all those years really lowered the expectations.
Their old coach and GM (you know who I’m talking about) made some bad decisions that the other guy went along with and that they are still dealing with.
What decisions are even still on the books? The Baron deal? At the time it was (and probably still is) a move in the right direction, as it was the biggest free agent signing in team history. Or you can partially blame him for the Korolev/Granger pick.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jul 8, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
The Baron deal was the right one at the time
The Clips needed a PG, and Beno Udrih was about the only guy available.
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
No question
It would have been brain-dead of a GM to pass up on a chance to bring Baron to a team like the Clippers.
At that price?
When no one else was offering or could have offered? Really it’s the length of the deal that I have an issue with.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
A bit of a revisionist are you?
You, like everyone else, were happy with the deal at the time. There wasn’t a single negative comment that day on the signing. And there was one team that could have offered close to what the Clippers were offering, the Warriors.
FA in 2010.
Again, I've always maintained the criticisms above
The snippet you’re referring to from your exhaustive background search doesn’t address those criticisms.
The Warriors, my friend, were his then-current team and did not make anywhere near that kind of offer and were not going to.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
The Clips possibly overpaid
but they really wanted to lock him down.
I would have been much more upset if we had underbid (typical) and BD went somewhere else.
The Clippers have to overpay. It’s just the nature of being the Clippers. Hopefully Griffin changes that.
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
Show me a contrary thread
where you stated the criticism before the 2008-2009 season started. It doesn’t count if you waited until you found out Baron had turned into a fattie after signing the contract. Anyone can look back at the last 2 seasons and say it was a bad contract in retrospect.
FA in 2010.
My memory is that Jax didn't love the deal
especially after FElton burned us.
But that was a long time ago. Lots has happened since.
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
No one liked the deal after FElton left
we thought we were getting Baron and FElton for a combined 25 million which sounded like a bargain.
FA in 2010.
EB left two days after BD signed or thereabouts
Seriously, let’s focus on LBJ, shall we? I’ve never liked the length of the BD deal and as it turned out pairing him with MDSr was a disaster from the get go. Botth SP and I had misgivings about it at the time.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Get out of here
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Your posts are all over the place
You are good when you interact respetfully. Not so good when you start calling people out about positions taken two years ago in multiple threads that you realistically would have a difficult time searching unless you read all of my posts around the time.
Instead, jif you really are interested in seeing whether I have changed my position on this issue (LOL), I would respectfully suggest that you just take what mikey p said at face value and move on. We are all Clipper fans here and as I’ve said you are generally a valuable contributor.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 9, 2010 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Still dealing with what?
Our roster is in the best shape it’s ever been, and we have had a max slot open for this huge free agent class. If we did pass on BD in 08 who would we have been likely to acquire in 09?
Look the Dunleavy thing got ugly in the end and both sides could’ve handled it better, including on these message boards. During his tenure the Clips reached their highest highs and also some of their lowest lows, volatile stuff indeed but one thing you can’t really argue is the roster and cap space situation he left the team.
by ghost_ride on Jul 8, 2010 11:00 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Bring back John Lucas...
That guy is an energy guy on the bench and a well respected coach throughout the NBA..
AFA: "Smart dudes that know the game of basketball"
he deserves better
like OMG we are finishing each others sentences. Can we BFFs?
Experienced assistants are more expensive
Perhaps, one reason why the Clips want to hire younger assistants is that they are cheaper. I remember when Larry Bird was named coach of the Pacers, replacing Larry Brown. Bird had no prior coaching experience, but he had Dick Harter to coach the defense and Rick Carlisle to coach the offense. Management was willing to pay up to get veterans. And, I don’t buy the line that young players don’t relate as well to older coaches. It’s all about approach and attitude.

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