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[Note by Steve Perrin, 07/08/10 3:06 PM PDT ] Quick update.  I screwed up the salary cap stuff below (man, that stuff is hard), because, why wouldn't you use a different 'cap' than the 'cap' when calculating the max?  Makes perfect sense, right?  Thanks to citizens Lawler4Ever and bonkrood for setting me straight. And apologies to Chris Sheridan.

Well, it won't be much longer now.  How surreal is this show going to be?  And doesn't ESPN now have to disavow all claims to being some sort of broadcast journalism and admit to everyone that they don't so much report the news as bow down to the newsmakers, with whom they conspire to create the news?  Are they going to have parent channel ABC produce it, Bachelor style, LeBron with a single rose and six GMs in the room?  Maybe they can get Miley Cyrus on loan from Disney to up the younger demographic on the show.  They have a lot of time to fill, considering that it doesn't take very long to speak a team's name.  I see a Hannah Montana song.  Synergy, baby.  Cross-promotion.

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If you are obsessed with the story, you might check out all the coverage on SBNation today:

All along I've said that there was no way that LeBron James would sign with Dwyane Wade in Miami.  So obviously, if the current rumors are to be believed and James will join Wade and Chris Bosh in South Beach, the Steve reverse mojo is in full effect.  I also said there was no way he'd sign with the Clippers.  Maybe I should have just made one 'no way' statement, and then he'd be headed west.

If he really does end up in Miami, that's really going to be fascinating.  Three super mega stars and a bunch of minimum players around them, with arguably the two most difficult to fill positions in the NBA (point guard and center) more or less empty.  I'm actually really looking forward to seeing what will happen.  One thing that John Hollinger pointed out today that I had not previously considered - when various vets get waived in February at the trade deadline, they'll all head down to Miami.  We could easily see a totally different Heat rotation in the playoffs than during the bulk of the season, made up entirely of ring-chasing veteran cast offs.

[Note by Steve Perrin, 07/08/10 3:12 PM PDT ] So, yeah, just ignore the next few paragraphs here...  I'd delete them, but that's bad form.  I'd overstrike them, but such a long overstrike would mock me. <ignore>

I'd like to dive into the salary cap for a minute.  Chris Sheridan (who has been promoting New York as a destination a lot harder than I've been promoting LA, despite the fact that I'm the supposedly ultra-biased blogger) goes through an in-depth look at the salary cap implications of James to Miami on ESPNNewYork today.  It's pretty good, but it also has a few mistakes.

The biggest mistake that people are making is in the value of the maximum salary itself.  Everyone (including Sheridan today) has been using around $16.6M as the maximum for Wade/Bosh/James.  The origin of that figure is that it represents a 5% increase over what they made this year.  To be precise, it's:

$15,779,912 (1.05) = $16,568,907.60

That was the proper max when everyone thought the salary cap was going to come in under $55M.  But the other way to calculate the maximum salary is as a percentage of the cap.  For seven year vets like Wade/Bosh/James, it's 30% of the cap, which with the new, larger cap, is actually quite a bit more than $16.6M.  With the cap announced at $58,044,000 last night, the new max is actually $17,413,200.  So when Sheridan says that LeBron would be leaving a million on the table if he signs in Miami (this is in a scenario where the Heat don't shed Michael Beasley's contract), he actually means closer to two million.  Over the course of the five year deal, it would add up to over $10M.  The same would of course be true for the comparison to the Clippers as - LeBron James can make the full max of $17.4M with the Clippers, but he can't make that in Miami. 

[Note by Steve Perrin, 07/08/10 3:13 PM PDT ] </ignore>

I actually think that if a Miami deal indeed happens, it will involve a Beasley salary dump either through a sign and trade or a third team.  In that case, Bosh/Wade/James can all get closer to the full max, though still a couple hundred K short.

Of course, it's already a ridiculous amount of money, and Bosh and James are already leaving money on the table if they leave their current teams, who can offer an extra year and larger raises under salary cap rules.  So if the players already had $16.6M in their minds, maybe they're not thinking about the new, higher max, and they're just content to be getting paid a lot of money. 

Here's something I hadn't previously thought about: presumably, Bosh/Wade/James would all take the same starting salary in Miami.  At that point, Wade would still be eligible for bigger raises and more years, since he's re-signing, while the others would be switching teams.  Would Wade take exactly the same contract as his mates to keep it equitable?  Or would Wade actually be making more in years 2 through 5?  Would he have an extra year?  Wade's a little older than the other guys: that sixth year (he'll be 33 at the end of year five of this contract) might be pretty significant.  Will he be able to sign for $20M per year at the age of 33? 

As for the Clippers, they gave it a shot, and I suppose there's still a chance that LeBron ends up in LA, at least until the reveal tonight.  Of course, it would mean that all the experts, and all the sources, and all the leaks are wrong, since no one has discussed the Clippers as his destination for awhile now. 

But until he gives that rose to someone else, we can still hope.

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as a journalist you should know

nothing matters more than ratings.

Oh and also as a journalist you should know plagerism isn’t cool.

by bacek on Jul 8, 2010 10:34 AM PDT reply actions  

prepare to make a new account bacek

Even the Clippers, those longtime losers, thought they could be a player this summer.

by highriser on Jul 8, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

hahahaha +1

highriser, your name reminds me of highrise and that reminds me of call of duty 4, modern warfare and that reminds me of xbox live.. ……..soOoOoOoOo…..be right back :-)

"Put the icing on the cake ladies and gentlemen" - Ralph Lawler vs. The Grizzlies

by In GrIfFin We TrUsT on Jul 8, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I as well...

?

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jul 8, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

So...

Reading through the rest of the comments, I guess I’m accused of plagiarizing something from Bill Simmons… probably the rose/Bachelor thing. I don’t really know, since (1) bacek never actually says and (2) I haven’t read Simmons’ post.

Pretty sure bacek’s not gonna just take my word for it, but as I said, I haven’t read Simmons post, so no, I didn’t plagiarize it. Just came up with the same lame joke, which is actually pretty obvious if you think about it. I’m sure about half of you had the idea yourselves.

I’ve been writing this blog for four years, and I’ve NEVER plagiarized a word. If I reference something, I give the original author credit and usually a link. And I’m not particularly pleased to be accused of doing otherwise.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jul 8, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

No need to defend yourself

Everybody else had your back. It was a baseless claim.

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Jul 8, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

by the way

i’m a big fan. i read every post. just don’t like to comment. sorry for giving bacek anger fuel. i guess i should have e-mailed.

by bonkrood on Jul 8, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I totally thought about the Bachelor rose ceremony.

In fact I thought 6 GM’s would be there and he’d only have 1 rose and eliminate teams 1 by 1 and make us wait the entire hour. Now it seems “in the first ten minutes” we’ll find out which makes me wonder what the hell he plans on doing for the next 50 minutes and if the ratings will drop in the other 5 cities that don’t get him. Who really cares what he says other than who he’s playing for, LAME.

by chrisd on Jul 8, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Probably just wants to answer all the questions

I think he’s spending all summer working on his game. Word is that he is in even better shape than usual. I think he just wants to avoid having to give small snippets over and over and just focus on basketball. Also I think he’s going to try to justify why he is leaving Cleveland. Its actually going to be interesting, I bet he cries.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jul 8, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

not a prob...

Definitely correct me in the comments if I screw up… that way everyone has the info, even if I’m away from the computer and don’t get to it for awhile.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jul 8, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes...

The community at large let it drop. It was silly and absurd… though definitely upsetting… but… consider the source.
Clipsnation… the self-correcting blog.

by John Raffo on Jul 8, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here here

"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT

by SilverClip on Jul 8, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know...

But I wanted to go on the record.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jul 8, 2010 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's just bitter

b/c you called him out on his ridiculous point that VDN had more coaching credentials than Casey.

When nobody agreed with him, he threw a tantrum.

by madglove on Jul 8, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry if I hurt your feelings Steve

You have a right to be mad at me. I shouldn’t have said anything without seeing if you read the Simmons article or not.

by bacek on Jul 8, 2010 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Even if Steve had borrowed the joke from Simmons

I would hardly call it plagerism. This is a sports blog.

Steve is a serious writer, to be sure, but he is not trying to pass this off as cold hard news.

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Jul 8, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

It still doesn't make sense to me

Lebron wants to be the man. He won’t be the man in Miami.

"Smart dudes that know the game of basketball." - Al-Farouq Aminu referring to his new teammates

by Regulan on Jul 8, 2010 10:36 AM PDT reply actions  

I have always believed LeBron and Wade would team up

either in NY or Miami. So this doesn’t surprise me. And it speaks well of LeBron. He is an unselfish player.

I think he is really tired of having to do everything, like he did in Cleveland. I think he relishes the thought of being a creator and having another guy there to take the last shot.

I’m still not sure he will burn Cleveland, but if he does, it will be for Miami, which he can justify by saying that he just wants to win.

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Jul 8, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

He can still be the man

Shaq had Kobe and vice versa. Magic had Kareem and vice versa. LBJ if does go to Miami is still the better player than Wade (only person who can confidently claim that). I don’t think Wade’s legacy in Miami is that strong where Lebron can’t surpass him there. Wasn’t KG really the better player between him and Paul Pierce?

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jul 8, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

actually

Actually, the max for the big 3 is still $16.6 million, 105% of their previous salary. I’m guessing you’re calculating the max by 30% of $58mil, but in fact it’s more complicated than that.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q11

“They use a different cap calculation to determine the maximum salaries, which is based on 48.04% of projected BRI.”

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=coon_larry&page=salarycap-100708

never doubt larry coon

i posted this on ziller’s piece on fanhouse as well. larry coon is actually right

by bonkrood on Jul 8, 2010 10:41 AM PDT reply actions  

might as well delete this article steve

not only do you plagerize, but the only insightful thing you try to add is incorrect.

by bacek on Jul 8, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

nope

the only time I see “Bill Simmons” is in John R’s signature thing

by bacek on Jul 8, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Little known fact, Bill Simmons is not the only person to have watched the Bachelor.

It is possible that a different person came up with the same joke.

I know I’ve made the same joke ( a bunch of different hats on a table ) along with about 1,000 other people. Doesn’t mean there is 999 instances of plagiarism.

by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

you are not part of the media

I know Steve just wants to get hits (even though he may make it seem as though he is tired of all the LeBron fiasco).

Steve usually sticks to his guns when it comes to opinions. Actually I think it is pretty refreshing to see a blogger with such bias, and who tries to retract from the “norm.”

I am sure he doesn’t care about my opinions, he already has gotten my traffic.

by bacek on Jul 8, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bacek

Honestly, I have no idea what made you so annoying today. What is your problem with Steve? He didn’t do anything wrong and he consistently serves Clipper nation well.

Stfu?

by djallday on Jul 8, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think he has the right to voice the opinion if he feels so.

Although maybe it would have been better served to question Steve by private message (if that is possible).

Steve continually writes good stuff, but at the same time it doesn’t make him immune to opinions on the opposite end.

by Newton Pham on Jul 8, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed. And we are all understandably upset by the acusation.

LIke others have said, I appreciate the work Steve does here (and he doesn’t have to do it) and don’t like people calling him out.

by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seriously

Over a comment about this being like a reality show…

by Erik O on Jul 8, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't get it

What is SP being accused of plagiarizing? A Bill Simmons joke?

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Got it.

Steve, start plagiarizing better material. Something more novel.

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bill Simmons latest article on ESPN is pretty awesome though

Basically blasts Lebron & Bosh and of course references “The Bachelor” & “The Hills”

by chrisd on Jul 8, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can't take Simmons seriously,

how does any guy know what happens on the Bachelor or the Hills?

by eastie Rich on Jul 8, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Umm, uh.. ya I definitely don’t watch that stuff either!

by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol

I work in reality tv, not sure if that’s something to brag about on this website. Go Clippers (is that better?)

by chrisd on Jul 8, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT

by SilverClip on Jul 8, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

bacek

You’re a total douche. I can’t comprehend what goes on in your soup bowl of a head.

At least I'm also a Redskins fan... oh wait. My sports life sucks.

by Clipper T on Jul 8, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

to clarify

salary cap is defined by 51% of BRI each year.

however, to calculate max salary, the cap is defined by 48.04% of projected BRI.

therefore, the 105% of their salary is greater than 30% of the “max salary” cap.

by bonkrood on Jul 8, 2010 10:54 AM PDT reply actions  

Thanks

My bad. Why wouldn’t they use a different cap than the cap? That makes perfect sense,

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jul 8, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

How weird!

OK, then maybe Miami can afford all 3 max’s plus Beasley and Chalmers. 3 × 16.6 = 49.8, and with the other two players that comes to 54.9. That’s over $3M remaining for 7 min contracts… well, maybe they’ll still be short a little change.

If the actual cap had come in $2M lower than projected, then this fixed max salary business would have a real thorn in the side of certain GMs.

"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT

by SilverClip on Jul 8, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

New math

In this new math world, each of the three would have to take 1 million less to make it work WITH Beasley et al, just as Chris Sheridan said. Without Beasley, everyone can have their max and eat it too.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jul 8, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

They could trade Beasley pretty easily I think

some team would be willing to take him on for a future 1st round pick right?

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jul 8, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agree with chrisd

No one is giving up a future first, unless it’s crazy protected. Not when the perception is that Miami is looking to dump him. You might even get Miami to throw in something.

So here’s the question: do the Clippers want Beasley? Adds to the under U22 club.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jul 8, 2010 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Could work

Him and Griffin could work together pretty well. Wish we still had Marcus Camby, would seem like a good mentor for him.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jul 8, 2010 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not for it

We don’t need another young PF first, plus we don’t need another head case (see Baron).

by chrisd on Jul 8, 2010 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Still don't get why people think Baron is a head case

he has never gotten into any trouble off the court in the NBA.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jul 8, 2010 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wasn't he injured?

either way maybe he’s lazy. But to insinuate that he suffers from some form of mental disorder is entirely different.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jul 8, 2010 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol, point taken

FYI in my lingo head case doesn’t translate to mental disorder

by chrisd on Jul 8, 2010 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think I’d take a chance on beasley for free. Send him w/ some cash too haha. But seriously, right now w/ like 5 guys under contract (not including unsigned draft picks), and seemingly no one really left of value on the FA market, why not give him a chance in a back up scorer’s role at the “tweener” position. I think he’s kinda bust as the #2 pick, but if you just look at his talent level, I think it’s still easily worth his salary.

by osamu on Jul 8, 2010 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is a crazy comments section

For such a mandatory/benign post.

Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball

by John R on Jul 8, 2010 10:55 AM PDT reply actions  

More snippy?

Not really. It’s always like this.

by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

No, I think banandy is right.

Everyone is a bit on edge. It is this whole LeBron thing, I can’t wait till six o’clock. Then we can all move on.

by Chaderack on Jul 8, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Your stupid

sorry, I’ve been snippy lately

by AtotheZ on Jul 8, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

but seriously

yea it seems a little more hostile these days

by AtotheZ on Jul 8, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

Snippy is funny

"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT

by SilverClip on Jul 8, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Guilty as charged

I’ve been kind of irritable ever since ESPN decided to use this free agency period to take a **** on the Clipper brand. Sorry brosefs :(

by Erik O on Jul 8, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

You said Brand

:(

"Smart dudes that know the game of basketball." - Al-Farouq Aminu referring to his new teammates

by Regulan on Jul 8, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, a little snippy

It’s a bit of an unpredictable, high pressure time. Coming of a long string of futility and frustration and setbacks.

The draft was pretty good, even really good. It was pretty easy to understand and accept the AFA choice, and Bledsoe was a nice kicker. But then the VDN choice is complicated, much harder to rationalize and embrace than it should be, and the capspace/Lebron stuff was always going to be mildly disappointing, no matter how low the expectations might have been.

It could be worse. The Clips could be giving somebody an obviously bad contract. They could still pull that off, of course. But for now I’d say that nobody who follows the Clippers and watched the team last year would be happy if they had signed TOutlaw for 5/35 million, like the Nets just did. On the other hand, 4/16 for Steve Blake seems like a very nice deal. Only it happens to be the Lakers, which is too bad.

It would be great to get settled and have some good news, find some things we can agree on and things to look forward to.

by citizen zhiv on Jul 8, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

lol, so much love or hate.

At least we all still care about our Clips so much to feel this strongly about them. I’ll give those props to people.

by chrisd on Jul 8, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Word

I bet the rest of the league’s fans have no idea there are this many passionate Clipper fans :P

by Erik O on Jul 8, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Seriously

One would think that with the fan base we have there’d be more continuity as the new chapter of the Clippers opens up.

by yaggiefresh on Jul 8, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

We'll get there

Summer league will help, and there will be a couple of signings. Hoping that they’ll be good ones.

by citizen zhiv on Jul 8, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

As a fellow optimist

I appreciate your words of glass-half-full wisdom, Zhiv.

by yaggiefresh on Jul 8, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

SHOCK THE WORLD

Tonight… at 6:00 PM… on ESPN, Lebron James shocks the world, all the experts, and contrary to all the “leaks”. Lebron James chooses the LOS ANGELES CLIPPERS!!!!!

When we win the NBA Championship, it will be that much sweeter!

by danobaseball on Jul 8, 2010 11:18 AM PDT reply actions  

LBJ might be chewing gum during the announcment

and right when he says Clippers…Chokes, passes out, and falls into a coma
…of course he falls into a coma AFTER he signs the contract meaning the Clippers are stuck with his large contract for 5 years unless the NBA allows them to cancel the contract for medical reasons….but the league won’t approve.

by KidJustin on Jul 8, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

wrong...as someone has stated before bad stuff won't happen until right before the season opener...

he will fall into a coma the day before the season opener….at the earliest right after the last preseason game.

by Newton Pham on Jul 8, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

How crazy would it be

It’s fun to just imagine what it would be like if LBJ chose the Clippers. Of course, there’s no more outlandish scenario for this ongoing extravaganza. It’s impossible, but that’s what would make it so fun.

The amusing thing is that it’s really the only scenario that justifies a one hour special, because LBJ would need that time to educate the world about why this is such a smart and carefully calculated decision.

The collective “no way” and “is he kidding” would be astounding. It would really be funny to see people try to catch up and figure out, as LBJ spells it out for them, all of the advantages that the Clippers represent. All the while everybody would be saying “but it’s the Clippers…”

Just a bit of amusement.

by citizen zhiv on Jul 8, 2010 11:25 AM PDT reply actions  

Donovan's goal against Algeria

Or Lebron becoming a Clipper?

Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball

by John R on Jul 8, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

lebron becoming a clipper

of course i’m not american so…

by XXDC2XX on Jul 8, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hilarious

And everyone would be blindsided. LeBron would be Kaiser Soze.

But…he has painted himself into a corner. He has to have a good reason for burning Cleveland, which is winning. Chicago passes that test, but it is too close to home. NY and the Clippers don’t quite make it.

Only Miami works.

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Jul 8, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Clippers would work

The Clippers would work, and would be all about winning, but it would be too weird. The world couldn’t handle it. That’s why it’s so funny to think about: LBJ wants to make his mark and change the world. But it looks like that’s not what he’s going to do. He’s going to do something that’s fairly obvious.

That’s one of the things with the VDN choice. It makes it super duper extra impossible that LBJ would choose the Clippers. Before it was just super extra impossible, even though it makes a lot of sense from the roster and city standpoint.

by citizen zhiv on Jul 8, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh come on

Going to Miami to join 2 other top 10 players is HARDLY “obvious.” I’m fairly certain you didn’t call that when free agency started.

Most people, including Steve, adamantly took the position that it wouldn’t happen.

by madglove on Jul 8, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Okay

Maybe it’s a little bit obvious? I guess I’m just saying that it’s more obvious than the Clippers, that’s for sure. And it makes more sense than the Knicks or New Jersey.

It seems like so much has been defined by the negative, by what teams don’t have, besides the fact that they have the money to pay LBJ. And Wade and Bosh and Riley and Florida turn out to be a lot, by comparison.

They just don’t have any other players, no guard or center, and they have to share the ball.

Every scenario had its pros and cons. It seems to be turning out that the argument against Miami, made by SP and others, that you don’t want two alpha dogs on one team, is a little flimsy.

Another thing I’m not hearing much about is the Pat Riley factor. I think that might be important. Riley seems like more of an experienced championship-builder than any of the other candidates, unless I’m mistaken.

by citizen zhiv on Jul 8, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

I thought there was a 0% chance

James would play with Wade. I’m actually still stickign with my guns and saying he stays in CLE.

by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe but that's like purgatory

To me it’s Miami, NY or Chitown.

Apparently the Chicago interview didn’t go well (despite the bells and whistles), so that leaves him with NY or Miami. NY is really a train wreck and he had a bad meeting with Amare. So that leaves Miami. But there he’s not going to be the man. Would he consider the Clippers in these circumstances? I would.

I guess Miami is the lesser of all the evils. Tough one.

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Evils?

He gets to go to a state with good weather, no state income tax and two other top 15 players in their primes. The only evil in Miami is he’ll have to share a bit of the spotlight with Wade and Bosh, even the roster problems are a bit unblown, the Heat will only get better the next few years as they use their MLE each year to sign another complementary player. In the short term they can get the ring-chasing vets willing to work for cheap.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jul 8, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think the evil that Jax referrs to and you acknowledge is a significant one. James is all about legacies and with Wade he’ll always be 1 title behind. Wade got his and got his basically alone (yes I know Shaq was there too.) That might not bother us, but I think it would bother James (but what do I know about his true feelings.)

by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I doubt it

Bill Russell has more rings than everyone. Nobody thinks he’s the best player ever. He’s almost never in the conversation.

Wade is an exceptional player, but he’ll never be on Lebron’s level. If this team goes on to win multiple championships, Lebron will collect numerous Finals MVP trophies and everyone will remember it as Lebron’s dynasty. Everyone will acknowledge that Wade was also great, but it will be Lebron’s team.

Lebron’s in a battle against history. He’s battling Kobe, Magic and Jordan. Wade isn’t on that level.

by madglove on Jul 8, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ok but LBJ would only be getting those rings paired with one

of the three or four best players in the game today. LBJ can do it without them on a team like the Clippers for example.

True Kobe won his first rings doing the same thing, but it should be even easier for LBJ with Bosh.

These are all opinions. I recognize that. To me, that’s a drawback. Maybe “evil” is too strong. Michael got it.

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wait..

Did you just say that it’d be easier for Lebron to win with Bosh than it was for Kobe to win with Shaq?

I just want to clarify.

by madglove on Jul 8, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

With Bosh and D Wade? Yes

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree

Shaq was the best player in the league by far for some of those championships. Plus, he’s a center who couldn’t be guarded one on one.

Lebron and Shaq would be ridiculous. Plus, Lebron would actually have passed more to Shaq.

by madglove on Jul 8, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I understand - I just think that the three of them

together are better than Kobe and Shaq

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's fine

I mean, it’s not really worth debating about. My point is that playing with Shaq obviously didn’t hurt Kobe, and Kobe was CLEARLY the 2nd option on those teams.

The bottom line is that Wade won a ring, but clearly couldn’t continue to win. Plus, there’s no debate who the better player is.

If this team becomes a dynasty, Lebron will get the bulk of the credit.

by madglove on Jul 8, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right

the span of time since the championship speaks volume too. Heck the Heat haven’t won a playoff series since. It’s not as if Lebron is joining a contending team already (like Ron Artest for instance).

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jul 8, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's a good point

But it took three max players to get the rings. On a team LBJ had nothing to do with before this year.

It isn’t LBJ’s team. He’s like an invited guest. Heck, Bosh and Wade are already there.

I still think he’s going there. I just think that there are some issues that LBJ considered. It’s not the perfect situation for him IMO.

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Its still a improvement

he stays in Cleveland and he might end up like KG. The Cavs can’t get a co-star for him… they tried hard for Bosh and Toronto is willing to do it but Bosh would rather go to Miami. That’s just another example of how he could get stuck with a mediocre supporting cast for the prime of his career.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jul 8, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

He’s got to get out of Cleveland to win. No question about that.

It is definitely an improvement. My point is that it’s not perfect because he’s going to play with two other max players who he never played with before.

To me, the better scenario for him would be to come to a team like the Clippers which is good but unheralded and take them to the promised land. I don’t think he’s got the guts.

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think he's scared

he just doesn’t trust DTS. You wouldn’t be worried about DTS just skimping on signing or resigning essential players? I don’t think DTS can stomach paying the luxury tax which all good/great teams will eventually have to deal with if they want sustained success.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jul 8, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think he's scared either

I think that he’s not confident about playing for the Clips for a number of reasons, including those you mentioned and really the effects of the negative stereotype identified with the team.

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

True

No one ever says “Shaq couldn’t have won without Kobe.” It’s always the other way around.

by Erik O on Jul 8, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Shaq could have won without Kobe

I believe T-Mac would have been an adequete replacement during a few of those years. Or Iverson.

But generally I agree that they both needed each other.

Bottom line, Shaq couldn’t win alone, either. Nobody can.

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Jul 8, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

2 certainly better than 3

but the Lakers 3rd (and 4th etc players) weren’t terrible. Miami’s 4th-12th players could be awful.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jul 8, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

For now

Every single vet who wants a ring will flock to them.

Plus, with the MLE going forward they’ll be able to add nice pieces.

They may not win a ring right away, but it’s far easier to find role players than it is to find stars. They’re set with the stars.

by madglove on Jul 8, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

I said so earlier. But its unclear which vets are available for the minimum. We just saw marginal players sign for 4-7 million dollar deals. They could end up with Earl Watson and Brad Miller or they could have a bunch of Bobby Brown’s on the team.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jul 8, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ok so they wait one year

And win five in a row.

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lakers had some players besides Shaq and Kobe...

Robert Horry, Glen Rice, Derek Fisher, Rick Fox and Ron Harper. Rice was still pretty good then, the rest are likely to be better than anything else the Heat can add for the minimum.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jul 8, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, they did have some pretty good players

Yes the Heat will have to get some good players to fill in the roster.

I don’t want to argue about it. I think that the team will be better. Apparently you don’t. Fair enough.

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lakers had some players besides Shaq and Kobe...

Robert Horry, Glen Rice, Derek Fisher, Rick Fox and Ron Harper. Rice was still pretty good then, the rest are likely to be better than anything else the Heat can add for the minimum.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jul 8, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

You'll see

When Lebron’s putting up ongodly numbers, it’ll be all about Lebron.

It’s always about Lebron. In case the last few months haven’t showed you that.

by madglove on Jul 8, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

it won't be about lebron

it’s like SI say it a couple days ago he will be a-rod to wade’s jeter

by XXDC2XX on Jul 8, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Plagerism

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Jul 8, 2010 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cool

I didn’t read that article but its a darn good analogy.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jul 8, 2010 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

wasn't an article as a foot note to a picture.

but it is the perfect analogy, i was talking with my brother (a yankee fan ), in what did that make bosh. couldn’t settle if giambi, or maybe tex, i think giambi

by XXDC2XX on Jul 8, 2010 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

How do you know that?

If they are on the same team but Lebron’s stats are always 20-25% better than Wade how do people not acknowledge who is the better player? It would be like ARod vs Jeter.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jul 8, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

It only matters what Lebron thinks now

Sure if this played out, I’ll agree with you that it’ll go down as LBJ’s team. But if James believes now that Miami will always be Wade’s team (even if that’s not true) that’s all that really matters.

ARod vs. Jeter is a good comp though. The two aren’t even on the same level but you continue to have people call Jeter the “true Yankee.” Barf.

by Michael White on Jul 8, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm sure he's considered it

and I’ve read members of his team have the same concerns. I think its moot, I think he’ll show he’s the better player… and what better way to show he is better than Wade than but outplaying him every night? If he wins 7 titles and they break the Bulls record for wins in a regular season (something they could do in 2 years if they sign some good players with the MLE) I think he can even surpass Jordan.

The one travesty is if he did go to the Clippers I think he could put together a legendary season. A 35-10-10 season. He’s reportedly in even better shape than usual and he hasn’t even hit his prime yet. When he’s 27 it will be ridiculous.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jul 8, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's my point - I still think he's going

because he just doesn’t have the guts to call Clippers

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seriously

Anyone can win with Bosh and DWade, but only the great ones can win with DTS & Co.

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

It would pretty much cement him as GOAT if he won with the Clips.

But he’s not going to take that risk. That’s Blake Griffin’s job :)

by Erik O on Jul 8, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why risk it?

When you have teams like Boston and the Lakers stacking the deck, you might as well do the same.

As long as the Lakers are around pulling off sham trades, the rest of the league’s stars are going to have to buddy up.

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Jul 8, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good point

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cleveland

One has to hope he stays, the city (not just the Cavs) needs him badly. But he would be better off individually if he leaves… Cleveland just doesn’t have the players to help him beat the elite teams.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jul 8, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

He already gave them 7 years - is that enough?

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Apparently not

the city is trying to guilt him into staying. Like the overbearing parent who wants their child to stay close to home for college instead of going to Harvard. He’s stuck in a lose-lose situation, if he does go he becomes the new Art Modell which is pretty unfair.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jul 8, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great analogy!!!

He gave them seven years of his life. That’s enough. Time to grow up.

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

man, you are asian!

the asian parent would rather their kid stay close to home then go to Harvard…as long as they can say that he got in to Harvard.

by banandy on Jul 8, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Heh

I didn’t apply to Harvard but I did get into Duke. Parents said I could go if I wanted but it wasn’t with any enthusiasm.

My niece got into Harvard but stayed local too. But trust me, everyone knows she got into Harvard ;)

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jul 8, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

My Asian grandparents

have told me I am only allowed to go to Harvard, Stanford, Princeton, or Yale

by losbolts on Jul 8, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

They would make an exception for any Ivy League school

as well as Duke, NYU and MIT. Actually any school ranked in the top 25 in the US News and World Report ranking would be okay.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jul 8, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wait...when did you say obvious?

zhiv said obvious. Are you and zhiv the same? I’m confused.

You definitely were saying that the Heat makes sense before this all happened.

by madglove on Jul 8, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, maybe i didn't

I thought I said obvious. I meant to. I would have.

Now I’m confused.

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Jul 8, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Me and mp

Go way back. Part of the One Clipper Mind.

I said obvious. Obvious to you guys. Very good call. That plus full SP reverse mojo superpowers sealed it. I could never allow myself to imagine a scenario where Lebron didn’t go to the Clippers, a faint hope that was very difficult to sustain. Every other scenario was a blur. An obvious blur. Sometimes called reality.

by citizen zhiv on Jul 8, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I knew there had to be a reason

why I took ownership of your use of the word “obvious”.

The Mojo has spoken. On to Miami.

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Jul 8, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've seen them together

But if not which would would be Clark Kent?

Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball

by John R on Jul 8, 2010 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

We take turns

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Jul 8, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

The world

The world couldn’t handle it because the media has painted a picture of our team as the laughing stock of the league with a joke of a coach, despite the vast amount of evidence indicating otherwise. I honestly believe if the reporters had given the Clips a chance, we’d look a lot more enticing.

It’s typical schoolyard peer pressure. No one picks the kid who can hit a home run every time, even if he’s got the reputation of being a dork. He has to prove himself in his few chances at bat before anyone will give him a second thought. We’re the nerdy kid, but we can hit home runs. I hope we take advantage of our brief opportunities :)

by Erik O on Jul 8, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yep

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like the Shock the World approach,

imagine all the hate and gloom in the room if LBJ picks the LAC. All those Clippers basher’s and East Coast Biased jack ass’s will eat crow.

And if he don’t come I just hope we kick whatever team he join’s ass next season.

Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.

by HVYDRT007 on Jul 8, 2010 11:40 AM PDT reply actions  

They will still bash.

I think the only way the Clips can dig out of the legacy is on their own

Home grown youth movement that defies all odds and wins over fans. Kind of like OKC.

by Newton Pham on Jul 8, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good point

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Curiously, the Clippers and Cleveland are the only 2 teams

that made a pitch to Lebron and has not yet signed anyone new to their team prior to his decision. Curious?

"Excellence...is not an act, but a habit" Aristotle

by Cliptomaniac on Jul 8, 2010 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well in all fairness

Cleveland can only re-sign and don’t have much room to sign quality players, nor is it easy to make trades when everyone is in wait-and-see mode for LeBron

and Clippers can only sign 1 max free agent and pray that it is LeBron…they can’t really risk signing any additions until LeBron decides in an off-chances he chooses LA. Also a trade wouldn’t make sense because their pitch to LeBron was the players they currently have on board…no reason to change that now.

by KidJustin on Jul 8, 2010 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

They must still think they have a chance then?

You would think that at the 11th hour the Clippers would know if they have him or not. This is very risky, because most of the guys we could really use at the 3 are gone. If we end up over paying for Matt Barnes or someone like that, man, what a disappointment that would be.

"Excellence...is not an act, but a habit" Aristotle

by Cliptomaniac on Jul 8, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Lebron signs with Miami

He will never be compared with Jordan and Kobe. Basically he gives up his legacy to have his superstar bros on his team.

by big0lbad on Jul 8, 2010 12:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Tell that

to Karl Malone, Patrick Ewing, Charles Barkely, John Stockton

by losbolts on Jul 8, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

He just has to win 7 rings

and he’ll get the comparisons. Both Jordan and Kobe played with fellow hall of famers in their primes. Lebron’s best co-pilots are not even legit all-stars.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jul 8, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who does Orlando have to guard LBJ and Wade?

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

And who does Orlando have to guard Wade and Lebron?

There isn’t a team in the league that can stop Lebron AND Wade…let alone that 6-10 PF they brought with them.

by madglove on Jul 8, 2010 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

tainted hot dogs??

"I'm an All-Star in my mind. You don't have to have somebody tell you that, to be an All-Star. It doesn't work that way." -Sam Cassell

by cliptakular on Jul 8, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Miami

just needs to sign like 4-5 bigs for cheap. They will play great free throw defense on Dwight.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jul 8, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

BSkinnz needs a ring!

Time to start the campaign, right after the annoucement.

by citizen zhiv on Jul 8, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tonight, LeBron makes that face when

all teams involved tell him to go take a hike.

I know, in my dreams.

by eastie Rich on Jul 8, 2010 12:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Lebron is an arrogant Son of A Bitch. Hope this mother F#ucker breaks something.

I’m sure he’s making no money at all by being on national television talking about himself for an hour….

by Akram47 on Jul 8, 2010 12:07 PM PDT reply actions  

He isn't making any money

they asked for money to be donated to a few charities. I thought it was a classy move.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jul 8, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why not just donate some money yourself? Would that

stop him from becoming the billionaire he wants to become? Sure, let him feed his ego while ESPN donates – I’m not sure there is anything James does that’s classy.

by eastie Rich on Jul 8, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why not?

People want to see this. He got 250,000 twitter followers within a day. Why not make ESPN pay out to some deserving organizations? ESPN could have declined this request but obviously they profit from cheap programming that will draw a lot of eyeballs.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jul 8, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Your right about ESPN, it's just I'd bet most people

think James is making the donation. I can’t imagine a quarter million followers, that can’t be the total of the fan bases for the teams involved – I guess it’s the cult of personality.

by eastie Rich on Jul 8, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Same thing

The Decision

Its the same thing, ESPN is donating the time (they would normally sell the ad spot for a lot), the sponsors are paying the charity what they would have paid ESPN.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jul 8, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why?

he’s already helping generating revenue for them. This is silly, he’s gotten a major cable station and sponsors to give $3 million to a charity and people ask him to do more?

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jul 8, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

i'm just speaking from a PR viewpoint...

and it’s not silly – our CEO last year matched our entire company’s charitable donations during Xmas and Haiti. that sort of thing gives everyone the warm and fuzzies…

by banandy on Jul 8, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's silly to criticize him

he could have done nothing. At least some kids are benefiting from this.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jul 8, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think from a PR standpoint that giving

LJ the credit for the donation idea was the wise thing. However, I find it pretty difficult to believe.

by eastie Rich on Jul 8, 2010 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Have they?

I think a lot of people are going to tune in.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jul 8, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

The backlash is so dumb

People are just bitter b/c they’re impatient. Those same people who are bitching are the ones who enable all this.

If nobody cared, ESPN would have laughed at Lebron’s offer for a one-hour special. The fact is, ESPN, Lebron and everyone else knows that people care and people will tune in.

And what exactly has he done that’s so wrong? If the media hadn’t been hounding him about his free agency for TWO YEARS then it wouldn’t have been as big a deal.

The guy is at a crossroads and has every right to enjoy this process. It hasn’t hurt anyone (until tonight when he rips out the hearts of Cleveland fans).

by madglove on Jul 8, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly

he’s been extremely quiet. The media has been fabricating and speculating on his every move but if you actually paid attention he’s been pretty much in witness protection the last 2 months.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jul 8, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

no doubt - he can do what he wants

but people watching and people thinking of him as a narcissist are two different things. if he wants to have his cake and eat it to, the raising money for charity is a good play…I’m just saying, that matching the contribution dollar for dollar makes it much harder for haters to hate.

by banandy on Jul 8, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Relax.

He never had the opportunity to be recruited, he’s enjoying his moment in the sun, there’s no crime in that.

I've got nothing.

by bc56274 on Jul 8, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

so you think when he finished HS

he would hold meetings and tv shows to let what college know where he was going to attend?

He can have fun and enjoy it, but theres a fine line between experiencing something new and going completely bonkers on an idea

by KidJustin on Jul 8, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll be watching "The Decision" because I follow the nba

and at this stage it interest me but if it was when he was in HS and picking a college…I could care less

I don’t follow college and would think that wherever he goes he’ll just be there for a year so no big deal.

by KidJustin on Jul 8, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

He is Lebron James.

If he were to start televising his bowel movements, you’d be watching.

He is THE KING, and you shall show your respect!

I've got nothing.

by bc56274 on Jul 8, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Minimum 6 Courics

Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball

by John R on Jul 8, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually,

Don’t get the avatar mixed up, I was never a LeBron fan.

Only when I realized that such a talented person might be an option for my favorite team did I acknowledge LeBron as a player I would support.

Game recognize game. (haha)

If he signs, I will be a fan…if not…then the day continues and LeBron will be just LeBron to me and the Clippers will still be my team.

So, unless he his a Clipper after tonight…I would skip anything LeBron (and not because that he didn’t sign with the Clippers)

by KidJustin on Jul 8, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think

that this whole thing is good for the NBA. People seem to be more interested in this than MLB and the NFL at the moment.

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 12:57 PM PDT reply actions  

It is probably good for the NBA

but I think this thing jumped the shark a long time ago.

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Jul 8, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not LBJ's fault

he has been super quiet. He had the teams come to him. Most of what’s out there has been rampant speculation, Lebron has barely been seen throughout the process. That’s why even though the announcement comes soon no one knows for sure what he has decided.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jul 8, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

He has been quiet

but his camp has not. They have been leaking and misleading like crazy to pump this up. It’s been a spectacle. Glad it’s over tonight.

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Jul 8, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

His camp, his team, they don't do anything

without his approval. This has been LJ being all about LJ from the very beginning.

by eastie Rich on Jul 8, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

great for the NBA

NFL is a year-round subject for sports radio…any offseason activity for the NBA is great for them.

Big losers are baseball…I couldn’t tell you who is playing in the all-star game.

by banandy on Jul 8, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I ORDERED HD/DVR BOX FOR THE DECISION TODAY!

so when he says "i have thought long and hard about this process and i decided to pick “The Los Angeles Clippers”, i can watch it over & over & over & over…..then play call of duty online then watch it some more….. haha…. maybe even do that pizza hut/papa john’s 10 dollar any size pizza deal…….man….. i have been officially suckered into the mess.

"Put the icing on the cake ladies and gentlemen" - Ralph Lawler vs. The Grizzlies

by In GrIfFin We TrUsT on Jul 8, 2010 1:17 PM PDT reply actions  

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

hahahaha thanks clipper chuck, i needed a good laugh

as for banady, no i havent. all i play is team hardcore deathmatch. i would prefer playing free-for-all but it takes longer than a bullet or two to kill everyone so i must say, some girls like to do it with each other, others do it with complete strangers, some even like to do it hardcore, so its safe to say over 20 million people are doing it. Yea, im doing it hardcore. lol

"Put the icing on the cake ladies and gentlemen" - Ralph Lawler vs. The Grizzlies

by In GrIfFin We TrUsT on Jul 8, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Travis outlaw signed with the Nets.

He must realize he won’t get much playing time here with Lebron in town.

I've got nothing.

by bc56274 on Jul 8, 2010 1:35 PM PDT reply actions  

lol yup thats the spirit

"Put the icing on the cake ladies and gentlemen" - Ralph Lawler vs. The Grizzlies

by In GrIfFin We TrUsT on Jul 8, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I won't be able to root for Lebron...

anymore if he chooses Miami, Chicago or New York.

Miami: He takes the easy way out and maybe gets a ring or two, but he with Wade and Bosh, he will lose the chance of every having his name uttered in the same sentence as MJ.

Chicago: MJ will always be the man in Chicago, even if LeBron got 3 or 4 rings. And Rose is a stud. I’d rather have Rose take the shot at the end of a game over LeBron. Nuff said.

New York: Money, endorsements, fame over potential rings. The Knicks suck.

Now if LJ stays in Cleveland, goes to New Jersey, or comes to the Clippers, I will still root for his success.

Cleveland: Loyalty and trying to finish what he has started. Admirable.

New Jersey and the Clippers: Take a chance and truly be the MAN to turn around two horrific franchises. The Nets have an owner with an open wallet and JayZ. The Clippers have an owner you try to keep locked in a back closet, but also the best young core of talent that any of his suitors have to offer. And the chance to dethrone Kobe as the “King of Los Angeles.”

I honestly think his best chance of becoming a Kobe or an MJ would be to come here to LA and immediately compete for a ring.

And yes, I am sober and serious.

by MySDClippers on Jul 8, 2010 1:46 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm not convinced LeBron wants to be MJ

He doesn’t seem obsesed like Kobe. Miami is a good situation for him.

That said, I hope he stays in Cleveland.

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Jul 8, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Imagine if LeBron changed his name to Jordan?

LeBron Jordan…his jerseys would read Jordan #6 (or #23 had he decided to stay)

..Make me want to tell DJ to change his number to 23 just so we can all buy Jordan #23 Clipper jerseys haha!

by KidJustin on Jul 8, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Everybody ...

get a life!! We’ll find out where LeBron’s going later tonight. All this speculation and rumor is crazy. Frankly, we know it won’t be the Clippers, so WHO CARES???

by daclipjoint on Jul 8, 2010 2:01 PM PDT reply actions  

because...

we need to find a Clipper mistress. Who are we going to watch in May and June?

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jul 8, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Same conference

At some point these teams might face off against each other in the playoffs. It would be awkward, like running into a ex while on a date.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jul 8, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

i'm pretty sure that i'll be watching the clippers

if not there’s alwats the team playing agasint the lakers

by XXDC2XX on Jul 8, 2010 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

BREAKING NEWS!

Lebron is choosing to retire from the NBA to play baseball omgz!

by AtotheZ on Jul 8, 2010 2:18 PM PDT reply actions  

drats!

I had my money on him flying to South Africa just in time to join either Spain or the Netherlands in an all out effort to win the World Cup.

by KidJustin on Jul 8, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

According to Ralph:

SI sources say Al Harrington was in serious talks with Orlando that recently fell apart. Harrington looking at Utah, New Jersey and Clips

I've got nothing.

by bc56274 on Jul 8, 2010 2:51 PM PDT reply actions  

for the right price

I would be okay with Baby Al Harrington. Dude can hit the 3 and spread the floor.

by daclipjoint on Jul 8, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Baby Al

last year – .435 fg%, .355 3pt%, .730 ft%, 5.8 board, 1.9 assists and .9 steals. He’s 30 so sign him to a 3 year deal. Probably a bit too selfish but may VDN can change that.

by daclipjoint on Jul 8, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Reverses the Clipper Killer syndrome

The Clips have had a classic run of bringing in guys who have had outrageous, out of their mind games against them. Dan Dickau played the game of his life against the Clips, and Ricky Davis used to routinely destroy them.

But didn’t Al Harrington personally had the Clippers two games, with the insane hanging on the rim technicals, and didn’t he do it TWICE?

So does that mean he would be better playing for the Clips than he has ever been on other teams?

by citizen zhiv on Jul 8, 2010 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

good thinking

He would be the best Clipper player EVER. Against the likes of Tim Thomas too.

by chrisd on Jul 8, 2010 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

=[

He was up there on my list. I wonder if they even talked to him.

by Newton Pham on Jul 8, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's Official, LBJ to Miami

This is a no brainer, you’re twenty something and just signed a contract that should set you for life, what’s the first thing you do? Go to Disneyland? No, you PARTY!
I’ve been waiting for the leak of a club/hotel being booked for him. He has apparently booked several cabanas in South Beach.

by laknights on Jul 8, 2010 3:49 PM PDT reply actions  

...

Well that definitely seals the deal.

At least I'm also a Redskins fan... oh wait. My sports life sucks.

by Clipper T on Jul 8, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sources?

"Put the icing on the cake ladies and gentlemen" - Ralph Lawler vs. The Grizzlies

by In GrIfFin We TrUsT on Jul 8, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

US magazine...

No lie. You know it’s reached phenomenon status when US magazine is involved.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jul 8, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

WOW...........I'm..........speechless..........

"Put the icing on the cake ladies and gentlemen" - Ralph Lawler vs. The Grizzlies

by In GrIfFin We TrUsT on Jul 8, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Link

link
If it’s in US magazine, it must be true.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jul 8, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

They've been right on lately

John Edwards, Al Gore

The NE can do some dogged reporting.

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Jul 8, 2010 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

WOW

have People or TMZ confirmed?? Inquiring minds want to know.

by daclipjoint on Jul 8, 2010 4:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Actually...

Source was Ball Don’t Lie, guess he trusts his sources at US, LOL.

by laknights on Jul 8, 2010 4:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Did Trey link US?

PLAGIARIST!

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jul 8, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

He did

Trey linked US, like a good little blogger… it’s all good.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jul 8, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yea saw this earlier

the W in South Beach is the real deal. He’s got good taste.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jul 8, 2010 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Trey Knows

How to avoid the Nation plagiarism po-po.

by laknights on Jul 8, 2010 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey Steve, just a comment about the earlier "plagiary" shot...

As much as you and I don’t see eye to eye on much, I’ve never come across you stealing anyone’s anything and you’re always the first to add a link or give credit to another author.

I think anyone who reads Clips Nation knows you’re one of the good ones and you run a clean operation ’round here.

By the way, I straight up plagiarized that “’round here” from the Counting Crows.

"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."

by Themanthemyththelegend on Jul 8, 2010 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I had Olbermann on earlier and he had a guest

on talking about BP taking full responsibility for the leak (or something, I wasn’t really paying attention). Then the guest says “BP’s as likely to do that as LeBron James is to sign with the Clippers”.

The Clippers get no respect – even on unrelated news shows. That’s low.

by eastie Rich on Jul 8, 2010 5:49 PM PDT reply actions  

So you're Olbermann's viewer?

I always wondered who it was.

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Jul 8, 2010 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmm, I wonder what side of the political fence you're on ;-)

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dang

they show Lebron in all the potential jerseys… Clippers didn’t even make that part of the segment. I guess the presentation sucked.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Jul 8, 2010 6:12 PM PDT reply actions  

yeah...

not even a measly photoshopped pic? I’ll blame espn before our presentation though. :-)

by Handsome_B._Wonderful on Jul 8, 2010 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

i thought

the decision was to be revealed within the first 10 mins.. this is ridiculous

by k0d4 on Jul 8, 2010 6:25 PM PDT reply actions  

Get Beasley!

"look, you can find any coach you want, bring him in here and run the situation. But I don't think they are going to do as good a job as I do." -Mike Dunleavy Sr.

by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Jul 8, 2010 6:29 PM PDT reply actions  

the heat having to renounce their roster is going to leave some interesting pieces.

i am not totally against signing qrich for a 2 year deal too.

by hans007 on Jul 8, 2010 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well Miami Heat it is

What a ridiculous show and yet, I couldn’t help but check in every 10 minutes to see if something had happened.

Wow, poor Cavs fans. What are they going to do now?

by dulciusXasperis on Jul 8, 2010 6:31 PM PDT reply actions  

what a bastard

 destroy his own town in nationall tv

by XXDC2XX on Jul 8, 2010 6:33 PM PDT reply actions  

I've got a new post up...

Can switch the conversation there if you like.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jul 8, 2010 6:34 PM PDT reply actions  

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