Lisa Dillman - Randy Foye a Clipper?
LAT update: It is expected that FA guard Randy Foye will be going to the Clippers. Earlier talk had been about Wizards' guard Mike Miller.
Not a bad signing assuming it's for very cheap. The Clips need depth at the 2. I guess Willie Warren will be cut.
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why wouldn't he make the team?
we need all the bodies we can get. Besides Blake has vouched for him :)
Miller is a better fit (obviously) but his price tag seems to be rising and he wants to play for a contender. Foye will be nice off the bench I suppose.
I dunno how to feel about this. Foye is a good defender at the point but average at defending two’s. He can make some shots from deep, can pass somewhat, rebounds somewhat, and is an alright player. I like him as a backup point but not a backup two.
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Obviously...
Of course the Clippers would put lots of caveats on this deal like “assuming we don’t sign LeBron James” but this means they know/realize they won’t sign LeBron James. Just thought I’d say that.
We’ll see what the salary amount is, but this is a pretty good signing. A combo guard (he played more minutes at the one than at the two last season, according to 82games), he can provide depth at both guard positions. Dude was first team all rookie in 2007! He was also drafted ahead of and then traded for Brandon Roy.
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i like this
They are targetting a player whose team no longer needs him and who has upside. Smart move.
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by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 5:25 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Out of the gate with a bang
Any time you can downgrade from Blake to Foye for the same $ you have to do it.
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
by John R on Jul 8, 2010 5:28 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
and there it is
The negative comment. They haven’t done anything right since Olshey took over, have they.
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by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 5:35 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
What do you care?
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
by John R on Jul 8, 2010 5:36 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
That's swell and all
But one player helps your team win and the other doesn’t. If winning doesn’t matter, then by all means sign the cheapest player available.
At $4M its STILL a bad contract.
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
Foye can definitely help the team win
One problem with “advanced” stats is that it doesn’t take into account situations, players with whom one plays and the ability to improve. Among other things. So if you haven’t actually watched the player play or understood his circumstances, and think you can just tell from stats, then you might have that opinion. But you’d be wrong.
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by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Ive been watching him since summer league
But I do so love your baseless assumptions.
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
I doubt it
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by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Well you are wrong
But you are just incorrect, which is different than lying, which you did about being mobile.
It is what it is.
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
How could I be incorrect that I doubt what you're saying?
Please learn the language and then get back to me
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
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by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I prefer to stay out of these
but apart of me prefers Steve Blake because the man didn’t care much for being flashy. I wasn’t a fan of I didn’t know much about him prior to coming to the Clippers, but he turned out to be a solid acqusition.
As for Foye, I was big on him when he was a TWolves. All that hyped seem to have died out on him when he joined Wizards.
I guess as a 2 guard, its not too bad of a signing. The man’s not just playing the 1, but also the 2 for us.
About Foye
4m for two years (8 m) is bad? How bad?
Let’s leave Steve Blake out of this for a second. Maybe pretend that the Clipper price for Steve Blake was 5/30 or 2/12 or something. Forget Blake.
The key to the Foye signing is the immaturity and question marks surrounding Bledsoe. After that, it’s a little extra Baron Davis insurance.
I’m hoping that Bledsoe has skills and he makes Foye look silly. Foye is mediocre, as far as the league in general goes, but he’s not Clippers-mediocre. Clippers-mediocre is Lionel Chalmers and Daniel Ewing and Derrick Martin and Doug Overton and Rick Brunson. I’m a Marko Jaric fan: what’s up with Mr. Lima? Does signing Foye prevent the Clips from signing Livingston?
Maybe we’ll like Foye, maybe we won’t. But he’s a higher quality backup than we’re used to around here.
Exactly - Minny starter btw
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by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions
John R's criticism is
essentially that we should have foregone the chance for LBJ. Which was I believe set in motion by MDSr. So he wanted Olshey to abandon MDSr’s moves. Delicious.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
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by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I've got a bet on this so I'm keeping count
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by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I see you running around through the threads
You aren’t spinning fast enough to excuse spending half the cap space on these two players.
So from your perspective, great job Neily?
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
Half the cap space
Short term.
I don’t know. You’re probably right, JR. Is this going to keep the Clips from picking up the tasty morsels left over from other teams? Where’s the Marcus Camby deal? Are the Clips prevented from getting TPrince in a Detroit dump because they signed Ryan Gomes?
That’s a question worth asking: should the Clips have never traded Camby, and given him the same extension that Portland did?
Where are we? What’s happening? At least we’re seeing some pieces. None of them is breaking the bank or going to hang around too long. So they can’t be bad contracts in the true sense of the term, I don’t think.
Are the Clips prevented from getting TPrince in a Detroit dump because they signed Ryan Gomes?
Yes
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
These contracts have put certain moves behind the Clippers this offseason
Why do the nitty gritty first? You can find players equivalent to Gomes and Foye any time.
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
Disagree, but it's funny
We should have acted earlier (Blake, Hinrich).
No, we should wait.
Which is it?
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by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions
You completely misunderstand
Which isn’t surprising, since as we see elsewhere in the thread, you are a liar. There is no point in responding to a liar since they won’t have an honest discussion with you.
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
Ok, so explain
I guess you won’t. Which is not surprising since the last time you did we found out that your real slogan is:
“Coaches don’t matter – but they might – maybe”
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
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by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions
See the part about you getting caught in a lie
You should probably pick someone else to troll at this point.
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
So you are afraid to take a stand
We get it. We can see it. You asked and I told you.
It’s very easy. Don’t be afraid. Good signings or not?
If you want to argue that my mistaken belief that I typed that post from my desk somehow constitutes an evil “lie” then go ahead.
But please answer the question. If you don’t, we will assume that you didn’t like the deal.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
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by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Would you talk to you?
Knowing that you are:
1) A liar?
2) Such a bad liar that you were trivially caught in a lie that is easily and publicly electronically verifiable and therefore not very smart?
What do I have to gain from conversing from such a person?
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
I understand that you were exposed yesterday
But you’ve got to move on.
Start by just telling us whether you like the deal. Stop being such a blowhard and just be real.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions
That rhymes!
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
You see me because you can't tell us all how bad Olshey is fast enough
I am just pointing out that I happen to like both of these signings.
Yes, I’m pleased with it. Better than wasting all our cash for five years on a declining shooter who wont’ shoot. If that’s what you’re asking.
But we still need a starting SF IMO
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
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by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Its not an either/or
The Clippers started this offseason with all the flexibility in the world to many any sort of deal whatsoever. This is the best they have gotten out of it so far.
So you like these signings. Noted.
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
I thnik they are find - they reflect what appears to be an organized plan
And they are not expensive long term deals.
They can play and be serviceable backups.
You hate both deals. Noted.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Putting words in my mouth
Not unexpected from a proven liar.
You are flaming out here Jax. Should I change my sig to your lie?
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
You are insufferable
Instead of saying I’m putting words in your mouth by assuming (God forbid) that you didn’t like the deals, just tell us. We’re waiting with baited breath.
What is your official position ?
You like them but you just want to bash Olshey?
You kind of don’t like the deal?
You sort of like the deal but you’d rather have someone else?
You find them sexy?
What is it my man
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions
My official position is
When did you become such a liar with pants constantly on fire?
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
I see - your official position is that you're an idiot
But we knew that already.
So we will assume that you didn’t like the deal and that you think they’re sexy.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah
Jax’s last sad days on Clipsnation.
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
As I said, I get that you're embarrassed about yesterday
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions
So sad what you have become
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
Ah, so I was better before!
Thanks
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions
A little curious...
Would your opinion be different if Jax had said, “Dumb move”?
Blake was never coming back, not even if we had topped the Laker’s four year offer (would you have recommended this?). His PER is less than Foye’s, in any case.
"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT
We are both posting mobile
His comment did not exist when I wrote mine.
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
by John R on Jul 8, 2010 5:38 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Actually I wasn't mobile and I'd bet you responded to mine
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions
by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 5:25 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Liar, liar, pants on fire
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
Really? Huh - good catch
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't know
Not sure that Blake would have take 4 million from the Clippers. I think that was a Laker discount, and there might have been a Clipper premium.
Deal was also for four years, which makes it better or worse, I’m not sure.
But Foye for two years and 8 million seems like a nice deal.
At $7M Blake is a better deal then Foye at $4M
Strong signals are being sent up here.
Lets see what the other $8M goes to.
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
Why is that?
Blake may have better WIN scores but Foye is potentially a very good player in this league.
Stop the unnecessary negative comments. We all get the fact that you miss MDSr.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Potentially, when?
He is 27.
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
He hasn't had the chance yet to play on a good, structured team
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Heheheheheh
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
Right - see John R
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
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by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions
If you are saying...
that Foye hasn’t reached his potential yet because he hasn’t had the chance yet to play on a good structured team AND somehow becoming a Clipper solves that….. hhehehehehhehee
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Jul 8, 2010 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Foye has done decent on the Twolves
and seemed to not have the opportunity with the Wizards.
The fact that he’s 27 could be the corn on the cobb. So we have the guy til he’s 29; that’s not bad really. Players don’t typically regress at that age.
I know, but
We have a far better team on paper at least then the T Wolves had.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Good player
doesn’t address immediate needs though.
Still need a SF. Any other former TWolves out there?
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
Quick
Make another prediction
"Smart dudes that know the game of basketball." - Al-Farouq Aminu referring to his new teammates
Hmm.... how much though?
I hope it was less than the MLE… dang we have a bunch of 6-3 guards now. We’re the Minnesota Timberwolves of Combo guards now.
FA in 2010.
Warren is getting the minimum or close to it.
I don’t think this is a tell-tale sign that Warren will not be signed. We do need depth.
And lets not forget....
His heart is on the wrong side of his body!!!!
by MagnusVonKilgore on Jul 8, 2010 5:00 PM PDT reply actions
Don't jump the gun on Willie yet
Lets wait until next week after the summer league is over. He’s going to get a lot of burn out there.
Lisa's comment sounds a little like Foye and Miller are mutually exclusive
I don’t see why that would be so.
"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT
Is Miller worth the apparent bidding war with the Knicks?
This still does nothing for our big hole. I hope it’s for cheap and not for long.
I'll wait to see what they bid
Miller is DEFINITELY worth showing up for the auction. I seriously believe we can underbid NY by a strategic amount and still carry the day. It costs us nothing to try.
"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT
2 years $8 million
Pretty good deal. I have no problem with this.
Not bad but nothing stellar either, hopefully he can be a good spark off the bench
assuming this deal doesn’t go thru for another 30 minutes.
Since we don't have a veteran backup PG, this move is okay
Bledsoe needs time to develop
Hed be great with ej since foye is 6’5. I like the signing. He brings height to the guard position
by baron_davis needs a fro on Jul 8, 2010 5:42 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Keep Baron
send them a 2nd rounc pick instead.
Baron, Gordon, Roy, Griffin, Kaman
is pretty good looking lineup…
Like it
Most of us didn’t feel comfortable with Bledsoe as a backup PG, so this kind of move is welcomed, especially considering the availabel list of players out there and that he’ll be able to play some backup shooting guard when the matchup is right.
Do not have a good feeling about Miller, so if this means we’re more likely to go after Korver i’d be good with that. If we’re starting Gomes, that would mean Aminu would hopefully be our starting 3 in short order.
Why is Steve Blake a Better Deal than Foye?
This a real question, not trying to be snide. The Clippers were minus 6.5 and Por minus 2.7 when he was in. Hew was ranked 51 of 67 using Hollenger’s stats and he’s older and has a longer contract. Foye was the 35 ranked SG, just behind Mike Miller and Korver, and has some upside because of his age
If this is all they do I’ll be very unhappy but it’s not bad.
The full answer is long
But it just depends on what you care about: scoring or winning.
And let’s not kid ourselves about Foye having upside. He will be 27 when the season starts. He is already on the downside.
Let me ask you this: If Foye was the better choice and he was available, why didn’t the Lakers choose Foye?
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
Let's hear it my man
Assume we care about both scoring and winning. Please factor in his much younger age and his cost. And please explain why we should ignore the info in ragman’s post.
Who cares about the Lakers. Maybe they didn’t realize that he was such a bargain or available. Focus on Olshey and your team.
I think if Olshey said “white” you’d say “black”
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Foye vs. Blake for Lakers
The Lakers needs aren’t exactly the same as the Clippers.
That being said, I agree that Blake seems to be clearly the better player, from what I know. That is, we watched Blake and he was an excellent backup PG. He wasn’t a shooter and scorer but he was smart, had a good motor, made plays. But now he’s the starting guard for the Lakers. They would have never looked at Foye, he doesn’t fit for them. But maybe he works for the Clippers.
+1
"look, you can find any coach you want, bring him in here and run the situation. But I don't think they are going to do as good a job as I do." -Mike Dunleavy Sr.
by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Jul 8, 2010 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Telfair was Foye's backup
Nothing to get excited about. Just a nice play by Olshey.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Remembering how Telfair was an upgrade
The Clippers had a long string of horrible point guards, who were then injured, and their backup point guards were really bad. And there was the better part of a promising season where their starting pg was the third string minimum guy, Rick Brunson.
And I distinctly remember that Seb Telfair was a pretty big step forward in the back up PG department.
Of course, John R would note that Steve Blake was clearly a big step forward from Seb Telfair in the same category. He was something of a bright light in the Camby trade. The Blazers gave Camby a generous but relatively short term extension. Should the Clips have seen how good a fit SBlake was, and given him a deal?
Maybe the whole posturing of clearing capspace and making an offer to LBJ was a huge mistake, in retrospect. Is that what we’re saying?
I've always sort of thought that, but
I think we needed to get younger anyway and freeing up cap space by getting rid of the likes of Camby and Thornton isn’t all bad. Camby belongs on an older more mature team IMO.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jul 8, 2010 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Randy Foye is Mardy Collins' replacement :-P
I know he is getting 4 million, but that is a huge upgrade for a aguy that can play the 1 or the 2.
He will help us get out and run, hit the 3pt (37% for career), and he is a pretty good passer.
He play a much larger role than Mardy
But I fully expect to see Mardy Collins sitting on the bench this season, waiting to come in and hound Carmelo Anthony and Paul Pierce.
"Smart dudes that know the game of basketball." - Al-Farouq Aminu referring to his new teammates
Needless to say I think the Clippers are trying to put together a much stronger bench.
Last year the bench was weak and at times could not score the ball.
Craig Smith was good, DJ is still getting better, and Telfair got his fair share of assists.
This year’s bench looks to be outstanding.
Guards: Eric Bledsoe, Randy Foye, Willie Warren
Forwards: Aminu, Deandre Jordan, Sofo, Ryan Gomes.
Plus we still have cap to get a guy like Mike Miller or Kyle Korver, or maybe a Ronnie Brewer or Anthony Morrow.
SF
We are signing these “ok” guys, as we always seem to do,when are we going to sign a player with some significant game and name? we have good young talent, we had plenty of cap money, why can’t we come up? Don’t we need a SF? didn’t we put together cap money to fill that void, why are we signing Foye and Gomes?, man we are really starting to look like the same old Clippers, I really believe the organizaation thinks Blake is going to be some sort of savior by himself, we need to do better.I feel like we are bargin basement hunting again, and that goes for the coach that we hired, we were the last team to obtain a coach,when all the proven winning coaches were gone,come on folks look a little deeper, does there seem to be some sort of pattern here,an old Clipper pattern, I’m just saying…….
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