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Team USA - Preparing to Take on the Worlds

I'm back from vacation, and there's basically nothing happening in Clipperland.  So it's time to obsess about Team USA and the World Championships for a month or so.

The tournament starts in 18 days, and you know I'm psyched about it.  There's something I love about these international competitions.  The chance to see different players.  The excitement of players competing for their country.  In the absence of J.R. Holden (American who has played for Russia for many years but is skipping the Worlds) and Chris Kaman (starting center for Team Germany in Beijing, who speaks not a word of German), there are relatively few of those 'he's not from there' guys that tend to tarnish the event.  Nick Calathes is playing for Greece.  I can't even think of any others playing for contenders, though there are a handful of the Matt Freije (Lebanon), Jonathan Kale (Ivory Coast) types.

The story for Clipper fans at this point is Eric Gordon.  He is in New York as part of the 15 man roster, fighting for a spot on the final 12 man squad that will compete in Turkey.  Most accounts have him 'on the bubble' and in fact the conventional wisdom would seem to be that he won't make it past the final cut.  The following is a break down of the final 15, with a little bit of that conventional wisdom and a lot of my opinion.  I'm going to try to do the break down by position, but given that Team USA doesn't tend to define positions too rigorously (LeBron James = power forward), these definitions are pretty fluid.

Star-divide

Bigs - JaVale McGee, Tyson Chandler, Lamar Odom, Kevin Love, Jeff Green

I've been critical of Team USA's tendency to play small for the past several years, but the lack of quality bigs in New York is not solely the fault of the leadership.  Eleven other bigs from the full 35 man roster have chosen not to play this year for reasons ranging from the literally lame (Kendrick Perkins tore his ACL) to the just plain lame (Dwight Howard is tired, Chris Bosh is a free agent, only except he's not anymore and hasn't been since July 8).  My personal favorite subplot here is that Chris Kaman, who circumvented the spirit of these competitions by adopting his grandparents' homeland in order to play in the Beijing Olympics, would be the starting center and best low post scorer for this Team USA were he eligible (once you compete internationally for one country, at any level, you forfeit your right to compete for another country).  In 2008, Team Deutschland was Kaman's only entree into big time international hoops.  In 2010, coming off an All Star appearance and with half of the centers in the NBA out for one reason or another, he'd be the obvious choice for this team.  If only someone had thought of the possibility that Kaman might want to preserve his chance to play for Team USA before the 2008 Olympics!  Oh wait, I did:

There is one potential downside for Kaman - if he plays for Germany, he'll never be able to compete internationally for the US.  While that may not seem like a major issue right now, you'd actually be hard-pressed to find many better American true centers beyond Dwight Howard and Greg Oden.  I mean, I like Tyson Chandler fine, but if he's a defensive specialist, and Kaman is a better rebounder and a better shot-blocker this season, than why wouldn't the US want Kaman's offensive game on the team?  Besides, Howard might get tired of international competition (no one seems to play in too many of them).  The current coaching staff wouldn't use Kaman's style of play well - but that's not to say that some future coach wouldn't be interested.  If I were part of USA basketball, I'd be talking to the guy - the international competition has caught up already, even without defections.

I love having every word I've ever written available when it turns out I was prescient.  When it turns out I was dead wrong, not so much.

Back to the list.  McGee was a late call up to Team USA (basically, he was a seven footer who was already in Vegas and he happened to play well in summer league) who was already cut once.  But when Brook Lopez opted out having not fully recovered from a bout of pneumonia, McGee got another phone call.  This is a 22 year old who has started a total of 33 games in his NBA career, and then only because everyone else on the Wizards was hurt.  He's got a lot of physical ability, that much is clear.  But the fact that he's one of only two centers being considered for the team is a joke frankly.  After all, he was at summer league as a third year player for a reason, right?  I'm guessing he'll be cut again.  He's simply not ready.

That makes Chandler more or less a lock for Team USA.  Chandler was on the team that swept through the Tournament of the America's in the run up to Beijing, and would likely have been on the Olympic team save for injuries.  He's a fine defensive and rebounding center when he's healthy, but it's an indication of just how weak the US is in the middle that Jerry Colangelo criticized Chandler's conditioning just two weeks ago, and now he's the likely starter.

Odom is the other lock up front.  He's a veteran presence, a versatile player and a good rebounder.  Given the way Krzyzewski played in Beijing, look for Odom to get the lion's share of the minutes at the center.  No lie.

Love is the only bruiser on the list, not to mention one of the best rebounders in the NBA.  He also has range to the FIBA three point line and would fit the international game well.  He hasn't even been a regular starter for one of the worst teams in the NBA in his two seasons, which again doesn't bode well for this team, but at least he's got talent.  With beasts like Sofoklis Schortsanitis and Nene lurking in this tournament, I think Love provides some essential girth for the team.

Jeff Green is a likely cut according to the conventional wisdom, and if I were in charge he wouldn't have made it this far.  He's wildly overrated as far as I'm concerned, and no one would be talking about him if he hadn't come into the league at the same time and place as Kevin Durant.  He doesn't seem to do anything particularly well at the NBA level, least of all rebound.  His 5.8 boards per 36 minutes ranked him 45th out of 62 forwards who played at least 2000 minutes last season.  He's also a poor shooter, making just 44% of his shots on his career, which is a disaster for a power forward. 

Wings - Kevin Durant, Andre Iguodala, Rudy Gay, Danny Granger.

In a normal NBA world, I'd discuss the shooting guards and the small forwards together and leave the point guards in their own category.   But this team has a pretty clear break between these players with some size, and a bunch of smaller guards.  It's also pretty clear that they're going to play some guys who are normally point guards at the two, so it makes sense to talk about all the guards as a group.  Not to mention that in the small ball approach of Team USA, these guys are likely to play as much at the four as at the three (like Carmelo Anthony, LeBron James and Tayshaun Prince in Beijing).  That leaves these four as a group.

Durant is a lock and will be the star and leading scorer of the team.  He'll be on the floor most of the time against good competition, and if the US is going to win a gold medal, it will be on Durant's back.  He is the only go to player on the team - period.  Don't be surprised if he's the second biggest player on the court for Team USA most of the time. Does that mean he's playing power forward?  It's a matter of opinion I guess.

The other three players on this list are a mixed bag.  Gay is another overrated player.  He's an inefficient scorer, a terrible defender and a poor rebounder (one of the few guys behind Green on that earlier list).  He's straight from central casting as 'the high scorer on a bad team'.  Let's hope that isn't descriptive of Team USA in Turkey.

Iguodala is a nice all around player, but happens to be the kind of guy who has struggled for Team USA in international competitions (think Shawn Marion in Athens in 2004).  The biggest single difference in the FIBA rules is the absence of a defensive three second rule, allowing teams to play a true zone.  Without driving lanes to the basket, Iggy becomes a jump shooter on offense, and as a 32% career shooter from three, if you can turn Iggy into a jump shooter, you've won.  He'll probably make the team - after all, he's one of only a few older than 25, and experience and maturity count for something - but he doesn't give me a warm and fuzzy feeling.  At least he'll play good defense (let's see how he does defending the four against a 260 pound Lithuanian).

Granger, on the other hand, is probably necessary on the team, for the same reason that Iggy worries me.  Granger and Durant are the most reliable outside shooters on the wing, and because of the aforementioned zone defenses, outside shooting is of paramount importance.  Although he's not a great all around player, as a designated corner shooter, he could be a valuable asset.

Guards - Chauncey Billups, Rajon Rondo, Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, Eric Gordon, Stephen Curry

With four (arguably five, since Curry played mostly point for the Warriors this season) of the fifteen players in New York being point guards, it's fairly obvious that this is a guard heavy team.  Gordon is the only player in camp who played the majority of his NBA minutes last season at shooting guard.  That would seem to bode well for him if the coaching staff has any eye on convention.  But they probably don't.

The question of position always has two primary components: offense and defense.  Westbrook and Billups and Rondo each have the size to defend the shooting guard, especially in an international competition where there are no Kobe Bryant's or Brandon Roy's, or even Manu Ginobili's for that matter.  However, Gordon clearly has the best size in that regard - he's no taller than many of the point guards on the roster, but his solid build and sheer strength definitely allow him to play bigger than any one else.  Again, let me emphasize, NONE of the other players on the roster played the majority of their NBA minutes at the two last year, and Gordon outweighs the other guards by about 30 pounds each.  He's the closest thing to a two that they've got, and the only guy who could slide up to defend the three if they want to go with a three guard offense.

Of course, EJ has never used that size to be a good rebounder.  Or even a mediocre rebounder.  In fact, he's an awful rebounder, and that may keep him off the team, and I wouldn't argue it if that were the decision.

The conventional wisdom holds that Curry has the inside track as the designated shooter on this team, and I think that's a great choice.  He's an amazing shooter, probably the best on the roster if not the best in the league, and I've already pointed out the importance of shooting.  I have no problem with Curry making the team - I do have a problem with the idea that Gordon and Curry are an either/or, which seems to be how it is being couched at present.

Here's the thing - Billups is a lock as the veteran leader of the team as he should be.  But he also happens to be the only one of the remaining guards who is even a decent shooter.  Everyone in the NBA knows that the book on Rose, Westbrook and Rondo is to keep them out of the lane and dare them to make jumpers, which frankly, they can't.  (Rondo and Westbrook are such incredibly bad shooters, it's difficult to imagine that they're such good NBA players, but the rules in the NBA have a lot to do with that.  And Rose is statistically no better than Rondo and Westbrook, at least not from three, where all three of them shoot around 25%.)  If they decide to keep all three of Rose, Westbrook and Rondo, I shudder to think of what would happen if they played two of them together.  We'd see five Croats standing in the lane, with Rondo afraid to shoot a 12 footer.  

The international game is not that different than the NBA game when you get right down to it, and in both of them you want great shooters.  But if there is a significant difference, it's that shooting is even more important in FIBA than it is in the NBA.  It would be a MASSIVE mistake to keep three such similar guards as Rose, Westbrook and Rondo - that's a quarter of the roster dedicated to non shooting penetrators - but I feat that they'll keep them nonetheless.

Part of the problem is that the leaders of Team USA are not anxious to burn any bridges.  I've pointed out in numerous prior rants the importance of point guard play in these competitions, where teams have little practice time and the point guard becomes an extension of the coach on the floor.  It's no coincidence that Team USA was undefeated with Jason Kidd playing the point from 1998 to 2008, while failing to win a gold medal in any major competition which Kidd missed during the same years.  Chris Paul and Deron Williams are more than capable of stepping into that role if they choose to play for Team USA, but Colangelo et al need to be thinking about the future also.  Might Rose or Rondo or Westbrook be the point guard of the future for the team?  Might the selectors be willing to take all three of them to Turkey, as an audition for future competitions?  Rose is probably a lock, as the purest point of the three.  I personally wouldn't take both Rondo and Westbrook, but they probably will.

 

So where does this leave us?  Looking back over the list, there are three players (McGee, Green and Gay) I'd happily cut, and since we're trying to get down to twelve from fifteen, case closed, right?  Well, not so fast.  If they keep all of the guards they have in camp, that would make six players 6'3" or smaller on the USA roster - yes, they've been playing small, but that's a little ridiculous.  I wouldn't do it, and I don't think they will either.  So while I wish I had some better forwards to choose from, I'd probably feel compelled to keep Gay as the least of three evils.

If it were up to me, I'd leave Westbrook home on the assumption that he'll be willing to give it another shot in the future, and he's redundant with Rose and Rondo.  I think the team needs a couple of choices at shooting guard who can, you know, shoot.  For instance, what happens if Curry is your designated shooter and he gets hurt?  You're left with Billups on the floor at all times or no outside threats in the backcourt. 

Having said that, I have a bad feeling that the final three cuts are going to be McGee, Green and Gordon.  Every indication so far has been that Coach K and his staff are enamored of Rose, Westbrook and Rondo, and Curry absolutely needs to make the team.  That leaves Gordon as the odd man out, assuming they don't want to have half there team under 6'4".

The bottom line of course is that Gordon is in the process of making his case right now.  If he makes the team, it will be on the strength of his defense and as an all around scorer, who is capable of hitting from deep or taking the ball to the rack.  It wouldn't hurt if he would focus on rebounding a bit this week.

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Granger dislocated a finger today trying to block a shot. I don't know the severity of the injury or if it will keep him out.

If his injury were to be as severe as Lee’s, then Green may make the team.

I’d personally cut McGee, Green and Westbrook. It is not a given that Lopez would have made the final roster if he were able to continue on to New York. He’s lost about 20 lbs to mono and was just in horrible condition as a result. McGee is really raw. It’d be like having a better version of DJ out there.

Green is like the prototypical FIBA player, but I just feel that he can be a little underwhelming. He does things well, but not really anything great. I’d much rather have Granger than Green.

Westbrook is a player that the coaches were raving about. He is an exceptional young talent, but he and Rondo make each other a little redundant as you have said. I personally like Rondo more on the team. I feel that he is a bit more polished than Westbrook, has more experience in big game stakes, he’s a better passer and slightly better defender. The positives that Westbrook has over Rondo (imo) is the fact that he is a little bigger and already has chemistry with Durant.

As far as Gordon goes….he’s a top 2 perimeter shooter on the team imo. He has a combination of shooting, strength, athleticism and defense. The other guards are better ball-handlers and play makers. I think that he’s going to have to show his defensive prowess and he’s going to have to stay red hot from the 3 point line if he’s going to make it onto this team. No other guard on the roster would be able to add both of those qualities besides Chauncey, and he’s not the defender that he once was.

by Lawler 4ever on Aug 10, 2010 10:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Analysis of today's workout

According to John Schuhmann, Westbrook outplayed Rondo (who made some very careless turnovers).

Thanks Rondo, for making me look bad lol.

by Lawler 4ever on Aug 10, 2010 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting info on lineups from Schuhmann

I don’t know how much to read into it, but with a seeming dearth of bigs, they played Odom and Love exclusively at the five… and Odom was only out there for 2 of 11 rotations. What’s that about? Durant, Green and Granger were the fours. That left Iggy and Gay to play the three – with Gay on the floor more than any other player (6 of 11 lineups). What does it mean? Who knows really. Fewer times on the floor probably indicates that they know what they have and don’t need to see more, in the case of an Odom (the other greybeard, Billups, only played three). More times on the floor for Gay probably means they feel like they need more data.

Curry played exclusively with Rose, Gordon exclusively with Westbrook. Again, don’t know what it means.

Looks like Gordon only made one three, but we don’t know how many shots he took.

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by Steve Perrin on Aug 10, 2010 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

When will they announce the cuts?

really pulling for EJ, steve makes some compelling points to keep our guy.

this would be great PR for the clipps and we all know we could use some positive news for once.

by The Blake Griffin Era on Aug 11, 2010 10:19 AM PDT reply actions  

according to Chris Tomasson

They may take all 15 to Europe and make the cuts at the last minute, on 8/26 (the FIBA deadline). Colangelo is giving every indication that’s the plan.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Aug 11, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Guards

You can’t even put Rose in the same category as Rondo/Westbrook shooting wise. Rose is actually a very good mid range shooter, 49 percent FG last year, and has developed his 3 pointer this off season.

by Chicagofan23 on Aug 11, 2010 11:15 AM PDT reply actions  

I don't disagree

I tried to single out Rondo and Westbrook as the particularly bad shooters. Still, Rose was just as bad from three point range last season (even if he is a better mid range shooter, which I agree he is), and this whole ‘he worked on it this summer’ thing is not really what Team USA should be hanging lots of hopes on, right? The book on defending him will be the same; keep him out of the lane, make him make jumpers. He’ll make more of them than Rondo, that’s for sure.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Aug 11, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

No, really, they are completely different players and it’s silly to lump the 3 in together. Rose’s jump shot is much, much, much better than Rondo’s or Westbrook’s: according to 82 games, about 5 percentage points better. It’s true that he has no 3 point shot, but his midrange game is pretty efficient. And while it’s probably irrelevant for this summer, his mechanics give him a chance of developing a decent 3 point stroke (especially from the international distance), at which point he becomes unguardable. So if you’re worrying about defenses sagging off him (about which, to be fair, they really have no choice), stop. Because he will make them pay, just as he did last season (if you watched his games, you’d know this).

On the other hand, he’s not the rebounder or defender that Rondo or Westbrook is. And his +/- is pretty bad (though like with some other young players—-e.g. Durant—-that will probably change quickly once he learns all the little pro tricks). At any rate, the more realistic choice is between Rondo and Westbrook, and there I think Rondo has the clear edge. But I agree that Gordon’s shooting would be nice to have and that it would make sense to take him over Westbrook as well.

by SheikRaisinrollbank on Aug 12, 2010 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

oops… I was accidentally using data from 2008-2009. In 2009-2010, Rose’s +/- was actually pretty good, and his eFG on jump shots was actually ****10 points**** better than Rondo’s or Westbrooks. So even more than before, comparing his jump shot to theirs is quite insulting to Rose.

by SheikRaisinrollbank on Aug 12, 2010 7:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Seems like splitting hairs

If your 3P% is less than .300 you really shouldn’t ever be taking a 3.

Rondo >>>> Westbrook > Rose.

If none of them can shoot take the guy who gets you the most possessions.

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by John R on Aug 12, 2010 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

The whole point of my post is that Rose can shoot.

His eFG on jump shots last season was 10 percentage points better than Rondo or Westbrook, who were pretty much the same. Hitting a midrange jumper in international ball is an important skill.

He didn’t really take the nba 3 much, but it seems reasonable to expect him to shoot the international 3 a bit. Going by his percentage on long NBA 2s he should shoot it ok.

by SheikRaisinrollbank on Aug 12, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rondo and Westbrook not having any kind of jumpshot might really sink them in international ball...

Though I agree that, at least with Rondo, defense and rebounding might make up for it somewhat.

by SheikRaisinrollbank on Aug 12, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

So what do you think now that the first 2 games are in the bag?

Rondo pulled out on his own. I’m somewhat surprised by how often/well Rose has shot the 3, and Westbrook has been pretty decent overall. It will be interesting to see if Westbrook’s shooting improves this year in the NBA (I doubt it will improve very much) and if Rose can shoot the NBA 3 well (actually, I doubt that he’ll shoot it well, but even averages 1/3 per game on 3s it will make him even harder to guard).

by SheikRaisinrollbank on Aug 30, 2010 5:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

"It would be a MASSIVE mistake to keep three such similar guards as Rose, Westbrook and Rondo"

Totally agreed. I’ve been saying that for weeks. It makes no sense, but the politics will interfere here (which is stupid b/c the whole idea of the alleged revamping was to get away from the politics of just picking the best players and having an all-star team…yes Steve, I know you already addressed this claim of theirs).

I do agree that they don’t want to burn bridges and that’s why they’ll be reluctant to cut any of the 3. But like you said, Westbrook is the kind of guy who wouldn’t get too offended and would play in the future. Plus, if you really need a PG who is an extension of the coach, Westbrook isn’t the choice. He’s an awful PG and lacks pure PG instincts. So it’s no big loss anyway.

The team needs shooting and EJ has it. I think he’ll get cut but I think it’s a dumb move.

by madglove on Aug 11, 2010 12:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Javale is going nowhere. They need him and Chandler for size.

Agreed, no need for Rose, Restbwook, or Rondo.

But EJ will probably still be cut. I want him to help lead Team USA to gold. What wonders that will do for his confidence, and any possible Clipper Swagger (not an oxymoron!).

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by Gordon for President on Aug 11, 2010 2:36 PM PDT reply actions  

I dunno

In Beijing they basically had Howard and Bosh…. Next biggest players were Prince and Anthony, both small forwards in the NBA. I don’t necessarily agree with the thinking, but seems like if you’re willing to go to the Olympics with Howard and Bosh as you’re only bigs, you must think you can survive Turkey with Chandler, Odom and Love.

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by Steve Perrin on Aug 11, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think they keep McGee

not sure how much playing time the 11th and 12th guys are going to get anyways. It would be wise to have some extra size instead of a redundancy of players. Even EJ is a redundancy as Billups and Curry are both superior players who can do the same things EJ does.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Aug 11, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Even EJ is a redundancy as Billups and Curry are both superior players who can do the same things EJ does"

you must not include defense in “the same things EJ does”

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by falconPUNCH on Aug 11, 2010 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Even if you consider EJ a redundancy of Billups and Curry he should still make the cut

you can never have enough shooters in FIBA play and both Westbrook and Rondo are very weak shooters and their skill at driving will be useless when the paint is clogged by players in a zone due to the lack of a 3 second rule.

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by bestclipfan on Aug 11, 2010 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Boozer was there, too. PF.

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by Gordon for President on Aug 11, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

true

and they kind of buried him… but yes, he was on the team

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Aug 11, 2010 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great stuff

Some really interesting issues here. Just thinking crazy, maybe cut Gay in order to keep Westbrook, and play Westbrook in the rotation of SFs. Why not keep all the guards? If it’s about defense and rebounding, Westbrook and Rondo can guard anybody that Gay and Iggy can. Part of Gordon’s problem is that those guys are fantastic rebounding guards.

As part of SP’s futures argument, would you rather build the longterm relationship with Rudy Gay or Wussell Restbrook? Then there’s Durant. He gets one teammate, but not two, and he doesn’t go alone either. Would you take Westbrook or Green? But he’s the star, and maybe he gets both.

I think you have to keep shooters, and SP makes a great case for Gordon and his heft and experience at SG. Gordon’s defense and bulk help him. Curry is a nice player.

I like Kevin Love as an international player and a center on this team. The Odom-Love tandem is pretty hilarious. Love can help and get a lot of minutes. And I have to say I like McGee, always have, he’s a project who is getting better very quickly, and being the main guy and having John Wall is going to help him a lot.

by citizen zhiv on Aug 11, 2010 2:57 PM PDT reply actions  

Slightly OT --

but Gordon’s big weakness is rebounding.
Anybody have an idea why? He’s tall enough and strong enough — what’s the problem?
And is this something he can ‘work on over the summer’?

by pipedreams on Aug 11, 2010 3:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Fun fact of the day

A 5’6 22 year old rookie named Spud Webb averaged 3.6 rp36.

Gordon only grabs 2.6.

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by John R on Aug 11, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

When I watched the Team USA scrimmage

there was one part where Gordon was fighting KLove for the rebound but lost due to the size disadvantage. IMO, Gordon doesn’t seem to have a good vertical jump when he doesn’t have a running start, that could be a reason.

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by peterghost on Aug 11, 2010 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

More of a motor issue

EJ doesn’t find the ball. A shot goes up and he doesn’t box out or even go towards the basket. Some guys are always in the mix (Rondo and Westbrook) while some guys are always observers (EJ).

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Aug 11, 2010 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

yea I agree

I remember during the USA scrimmage, he got easily boxed out by billups who ran in from behind the 3 pt line. I’ll have to watch him some more, since I haven’t seen him play in some time other than that scrimmage, but I think he’s a watcher, and doesn’t really have to desire to go in and try and rebound. Probably a little hard to work on, since it’s always seemed more of a natural intuition, and I don’t want him to focus too hard on rebounding if it mean he ends up forgetting to finding his man and getting back on defense. It probably can be done, but I think it has to become instinctual, not forced.

One-on-one, you can’t blame him for getting out-rebounded by love though. He’s a lot bigger, not to mention one of the better rebounders in the league.

by osamu on Aug 11, 2010 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yea thought they had to get rid of either rondo or westbrook

It really depends on how they are playing in practice, but I think i’d rather have westbrook representing the US. Rondo seems to have too much attitude, and westbrook has more experience and better size to play the 2. That being said, I’d be scared if I’m OKC to have 3 starters playing. In all reality, I think they’d be fine without both. I think Billups and Rose will be the main two rotation PG’s anyways, and I really like Curry at the PG spot too.

by osamu on Aug 11, 2010 3:43 PM PDT reply actions  

Latest from Sheridan on Team USA

Sheridan says that Gordon didn’t look great today compared to Steph Curry.

Reporters were allowed to watch the final 20 minutes of practice, and we can tell you from that small sampling that Stephen Curry looked a whole lot better than Eric Gordon, who he is presumed to be battling with for a spot on the final 12-man roster. Gordon briefly ran the point and had his pocket picked by UConn point guard Kemba Walker, leading to a breakaway, and he nearly botched a simple pick-and-pop pass to Kevin Durant on the following possession. Curry, meanwhile, stroked one 3-pointer and had a terrific 60-foot underhanded hook pass to Andre Iguodala ahead of the field for a breakaway dunk.

Those plays don’t mean much in the grand scheme, but why is EJ even playing point? The team has FOUR PGs on the roster! They don’t need him to EVER play the point. It’s just stupid. EJ is an awful ball handler and playmaker. He’s not at all a PG and never will be. Seems strange to put him in that position.

by madglove on Aug 11, 2010 4:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah EJ at PG makes absolutely no sense

and if they are judging him as a PG he is screwed.

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by bestclipfan on Aug 11, 2010 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Very strange...

I’m with you… why play EJ at the point when this team is lousy with points and has no twos? Weird.

If EJ is competing with Curry for a spot, he probably loses. Let’s hope he’s not competing with Curry. Rondo wasn’t there at all today (which might explain why they needed another PG, but still).

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by Steve Perrin on Aug 11, 2010 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jeff Green is probably going to get a fat contract

Just for being near to Kevin Durant. He should tip him out at least 50%.

Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball

by John R on Aug 11, 2010 5:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Do you have his breakdown on time spent playing SF?

He plays out of position at PF, in college he was much more of a all-around player (he drew comparisons to Scottie Pippen back then). He’d probably be better off playing SF instead of a undersized PF.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Aug 11, 2010 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jeff Green by position

Take from it what you will.

Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball

by John R on Aug 11, 2010 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

i think its unanimous

It seems to be agreed that the cuts would “make sense” to be McGee, Green and Westbrook. Westbrook is not a pg right now. Javale,…fareals! Green, he’s seems to be more redundant than Westbrook, with Odom, Granger, Gay and Igudala etc.

Gordon is the great back up Sg behind their favorite Curry.

by Takebb909 on Aug 11, 2010 6:08 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Interesting

looks like playing with Westbrook and Durant helps a lot.

His PER as a SF is terrible, so either he’s a bad SF or playing in a Maynor-Harden-Green-Ibaka-Collison is bad for his stats.

Very limited sample size (38 minutes) but a lineup of Westbrook, Durant, Green, Ibaka and Collison is their best lineup says the numbers.

FA in 2010.

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by xinyue2522252 on Aug 13, 2010 4:30 AM PDT reply actions  

Just so you know, Nick Calathes has been a Greek citizen since birth. He also played for Greece’s youth teams. Nick Calathes is not even his real name. It’s a made up Americanized name. His actual name is Nikos Kalathis and it’s not even pronounced how Americans say it either.

Nick Calathes is not counted as a “naturalized player” by FIBA, but as a Greek one. So I’m not sure why he would not be considered a real Greek to you.

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