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Eric Gordon Team USA Update

Whether Eric Gordan makes the final 12 man roster for Team USA (and it's looking more and more like he will), it's a great experience and accomplishment for him to be among the final 13 players competing this year.  He's getting a chance to play with great players, he's building his confidence, and he's presumably getting top level coaching from the likes of Mike Krzyzewski and Nate McMillan and the rest of the national team staff.

According to Chris Sheridan who is covering the team in Madrid as they prepare for this weekend's games, Gordon is now off the bubble, and in fact is the player whose stock has risen the most.  Of course, Sheridan is the same guy who put EJ on the bubble in the first place, and as recently as last weekend he had Gordon and Jeff Green as the two obvious cuts the team would make (a little embarrassing when they cut Green and JaVale McGee the day after he wrote that).  In fact, Sheridan had Gordon as one of the initial cuts after the Las Vegas camp, so he's been wrong from the beginning on EJ.  At least this time he's got some glowing quotes from Coach K backing up his position that Gordon's star is on the rise:

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He's really had a terrific practice every single day, and every day he's produced, he's just been steady. And he's a guy that doesn't need the ball long. On our Olympic team, Carmelo Anthony didn't need the ball long, and that helps. He's been very good. Very good. I won't say anybody's made the team until we're down to 12, but he's been very good. I'll leave it at that.

So that's about as close as you can get to saying he's on the final roster without saying he's on the final roster.  Interesting to be compared to Carmelo, though I'm not sure I see that.

I'm at once surprised and not surprised that it has shaken out this way.  All along I've been writing that Team USA needed Gordon for his combination of shooting and defense, and in particular for his size and strength in a quick but lean backcourt.  But I was worried that he would not be flashy enough to get people's attention, and that when it came down to it, more exciting players like Stephen Curry or Russell Westbrook would be kept over EJ.  But to his credit, Coach K is valuing some steady play. 

I thought it was interesting in the game last weekend versus France that EJ was defending guys like Nicolas Batum and Mickael Gelabale - guys that are 6'-7" or so.  Gordon even got some fourth quarter minutes at small forward, when Coach K was trying to get some extra minutes for both Westbrook and Curry.  The US team is going to run into plenty of 6'7" guards in Turkey next week, and it just seems like EJ has a better chance of defending them than any other guard on the team right now.

It will be interesting to see the minutes distribution in this weekend's games, but I felt like Team USA tipped their hand a little versus France.  When Russell Westbrook didn't get off the bench until midway through the fourth quarter after the game was long decided it couldn't have been a good sign for him.  After all, when Green and McGee were DNPs in the scrimmage against China, they were off the team the next day.  Westbrook has found himself the third point guard behind Rajon Rondo and Derrick Rose - and that's counting Chauncey Billups as a shooting guard.  We've been saying for weeks in this space that Westbrook and Rondo were redundant, so when Rondo emerged as the Team USA starter (hard to argue with that move, given Rondo's talent plus his experience in big games), Westbrook looked like the odd man out.

However Westbrook may make the team after all, after Curry twisted his ankle in practice earlier this week.  Curry is back on the court and is expected to play in the Madrid friendlies, but we'll see how much the injury has affected him.  Either way, it now seems that Gordon is firmly ahead of both of them and either Westbrook or Curry will be the final cut.  Of course, with three games to play before that cut has to be announced, it's easy to imagine someone playing there way on to or off of the team.

The side debate here at Clips Nation - does this prove once and for all that he is above average? - is a red herring.  I happen to believe that EJ is solidly above average as an NBA two guard, but reasonable people are certainly free to feel otherwise.  After all, John Hollinger's PER metric sets the 'average' NBA player at a 15 by definition, and last season EJ had a PER of 14.1, so Hollinger thinks he's below average.  And Kelly Dwyer just ranked the shooting guards going into the season, and he ranked EJ number 21, so he thinks he's below average (at least among starters). 

Obviously the people that chose to put him on the Team USA roster (even the wider, 30+ person roster) must think he's pretty good.  To me, it comes down to this: after the very top tier of shooting guards (I'm talking Kobe Bryant, Dwyane Wade, Brandon Roy, Joe Johnson and Manu Ginobili), Gordon is in the discussion.  He may not be sixth in the NBA (though I'd argue that he has the potential to be).  He's probably not 21st (he did beat out O.J. Mayo for Team USA, after all).  But he's in the discussion after that group at the top.  And with Bryant, Wade and Roy all out of action this summer, Johnson having retired from international play and Ginobili not being American, Gordon was a solid pick for the team, especially considering the fact that he's still only 21.

He hasn't made the team yet, but he's already had a great showing.  I'm looking forward to seeing him this weekend in Madrid, and next weekend in Turkey.  Lithuania shouldn't be too much of a challenge Saturday, but we'll find out a little about where the team stands on Sunday versus Spain.

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and yes, i never got into the EJ < avg argument on the fanposts, i think ej is a solid 2nd tier 2 guard…i am glad the kid is blossoming this summer and hope he brings it this season!

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by Lawler's Law on Aug 21, 2010 12:12 AM PDT reply actions  

Sure, EJ could have played better last year

especially if things had gone more smoothly. Toe injuries suck, as do bad hamstrings/groins, and it couldn’t have helped to lose his #1 supporter (Camby) mid-season. But still he did fine, and anyone watching could see that he’s in the same tier as Mayo and Curry. So I’m excited to see him progress further this year. I think he’ll team up early on with BG and develop some powerful chemistry.

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by SilverClip on Aug 21, 2010 12:46 AM PDT reply actions  

same tier?

I think better than those two. IMO

by ChrisS.Oaks on Aug 21, 2010 1:29 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'm glad that Gordon is looking more and more likely to make the final roster, but there are still games left.

The thought that could only be 1 shooter on the team never made any sense to me. Westbrook Vs Curry seems about right and I’d much rather have Curry for the sake of balance on the team.

I’ve been reading Kelly Dwyer’s lists, and have had a good laugh with the repeated use of Lawson and company, but I feel his rankings are weak. I think Gordon and others were screwed royally on the SG list.

Sheridan made a comment in his article about he and the coaches not really knowing Gordon all that well as opposed to the other players who have either been hyped more or were seen in the playoffs. Seeing him in day to day action has changed their perception of who he is and what he’s capable of. I do feel that he’s often overlooked because of his demeanor and obviously for the team that he plays for. Being on the US roster can do a lot of good for his game and the public’s perception of what he can bring to the table. Plus, it wouldn’t hurt as a confidence builder. Hopefully, he continues to thrive in the minutes that he does receive in the upcoming games, so that it will no-brainer when it’s time to make the final decision.

by Lawler 4ever on Aug 21, 2010 1:28 AM PDT reply actions  

Are the games on TV this weekend?

by Michael White on Aug 21, 2010 9:24 AM PDT reply actions  

Looks like the game today is on at noon on ESPN.

by Michael White on Aug 21, 2010 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sunday

Live on ESPN3 at noon…. repeated at 7 PM on ESPN2, I think. Not sure if NBA TV has it at all.

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by Steve Perrin on Aug 21, 2010 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Reaction to 2nd year

BDL’s list, and John’s post focused squarely on EJ’s production last year. BDL had Gordon at #11 heading into last year, which seemed pretty fair. At #21 this year, it seems a little reactionary to me, but we’ll see.

With any young player, their stock isgoing to be a lot more volatile with such a short history to go off of. So obviously year 3 will be big for him and the news overseas so far seems to be a good start.

by ghost_ride on Aug 21, 2010 11:57 AM PDT reply actions  

16th last year

According to this year’s list anyway. But you’re point is well taken… 16th going into his second season at age 20, the assumption is that he’s going to play better and probably enter the top 10. When it didn’t happen, the tendency is to overreact. It’s also worth noting that EJ was put on the Team USA roster after his rookie year – it’s possible he would have been omitted altogether this summer if he hadn’t already been designated. It appears lucky for Team USA that he was not omitted at this point.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Aug 21, 2010 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Anyone watching this right now?

Very sloppy. EJ has missed a 3 and had a tough layup blocked (although he got his own rebound). Defense has been good.

by indy818 on Aug 21, 2010 12:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Dreadful game. LIT is pinching down and daring USA to shoot jumpers. Ugliness ensues.

by Michael White on Aug 21, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

He hit that 3, but he hasn’t done much else.

Westbrook has to play more with Curry out.

by Michael White on Aug 21, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

amazing defense in the first half

he deflected a pass, played great man to man D, and on switches where he ended up taking the center, he didnt let their big man gain an advantageous position. Hes doing alot of little things on D and seems to be moving well without the ball on offense. I wonder if this has been brought up by VDN or Coach K? Dunleavy certainly didnt push him to improve in that way.

by indy818 on Aug 21, 2010 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

From what i have seen

westbrook has been playing real well

by ImranQ on Aug 21, 2010 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

def doesnt help EJ,

but i feel like the competition has changed from EJ vs Curry to Westbrook vs Curry.

by indy818 on Aug 21, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gordon with a great take to cool down a LIT run.

by Michael White on Aug 21, 2010 1:17 PM PDT reply actions  

EJ shooting Technicals again

not sure what happened to his FTs last year

by ImranQ on Aug 21, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Shot clock was about to expire. And wasn’t that Granger?

Or are we talking about different plays?

by Michael White on Aug 21, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

i think we are talking about the same play,

frischilla also said he has to pass that ball to EJ. it was Gay

by ImranQ on Aug 21, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yup, it is Gay. Thanks.

by Michael White on Aug 21, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

"He's perfect for FIBA basketball!"...

…says it all about Gordon and my sentiments exactly…..as would be Blake Griffin, if his 14-15ft shot is there like he says

by Takebb909 on Aug 21, 2010 1:25 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Nice to see that EJ still has that face working where he’s shocked that a foul is called against him or his team ever.

by Michael White on Aug 21, 2010 1:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Gay is doing really well

He’s good for itnl’ just for the fact of his having size, athleticism, dexterity and penchant for consistant drive (excluding that 3 from way out, lol). He’s good in a heavily controlled setting.

by Takebb909 on Aug 21, 2010 1:34 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

westbrrok has played well

But we didn’t go on that 17-0 scoring spurt until EJ and Rondo entered

by big0lbad on Aug 21, 2010 1:36 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Exactly. That run was built on EJ and Rondo. Don’t know why the announcers are attributing that to Westbrook, he was on the bench.

by Michael White on Aug 21, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

And Rudy Gay instead of Durant.

Second game in a row that Durant hasn’t exactly impressed.

by Michael White on Aug 21, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Westbrook played well all game though

and Gordon was on the floor for a lot of that rough stretch USA had in the beginning.

Glad to see EJ come back and make those plays after it wasn’t looking good for him, but Westbrook came back and made some more after the game was already decided.

by ghost_ride on Aug 21, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Westbrook's 2 for 2 on 3's happened early in the 3rd quarter when USA made their run.

Gordon shot better in the 2nd half (7 points in the 3rd quarter) and had some nice steals and plays. I’m interested in seeing the turnovers stats on the game, some of the guards couldn’t pass the ball (Rondo).

by chrisd on Aug 21, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Okay

I think I need to step back as I’m getting a little homerish.

Once the final roster is settled and I know EJ has made it I can throw a few more compliments Westbrook’s way.

by Michael White on Aug 21, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, seriously

Wasn’t happy to see Westbrook play well today. It’s really coming down to the wire here.

by ghost_ride on Aug 21, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

anyone have an idea why Granger seems to be on such a short leash?

His did well offensively for his short stint in the game.

by Takebb909 on Aug 21, 2010 1:45 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

I think there are four players on the "bubble".

Danny Granger, has looked lost in ever game except the game vs. China in which he scored 22pts
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Kevin Love, does not fit the USA’s style of play, but plays with heart and determination on both ends.

Russell Westbrook, sloppy and inconsistent shooter, but is a good defender and very athletic guard.

Stephen Curry, too small to defend the bigger guards in FIBA play, but is a good ball handler and zone buster shooter.

Derrick Rose, game isn’t made for FIBA play with the lane packed in, but pushes the ball well in transition.

by NBAFAN8 on Aug 21, 2010 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rose

I don’t think there is any way Rose is on the bubble. He is the future point guard for team usa.

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by Regulan on Aug 21, 2010 8:26 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

bubble

If you’re going to put Rose on the list, I think you have to have Gordon on it also. But it is interesting got the second half start over Rose and Rondo today, and Rose was relegated to garbage time in the second half.

Love will make the team simply for bulk – or at least I think he should. They have to have someone to defend the big fours – or at least they have to have the option. I agree that Granger has been pretty invisible. I’ve always thought they would keep him, given their options, because he’s a legitimate outside threat. But he hasn’t really played that way. Having said that, Coach K has referred to Granger as a potential starter, so the signals from him are that Granger is not on the Bubble.

I’m not crazy about the conventional wisdom, but I think it is coming down to Westbrook or Curry (with Curry’s injury not helping his cause of course).

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Aug 21, 2010 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

EJ played real well in my opinion

hopefully he solidified his roster spot today

by ImranQ on Aug 21, 2010 1:54 PM PDT reply actions  

Westbrook player of the game... Doh!

I thought Gay showed a lot of hustle too, rebounding, put backs. Of course him and Gordon missed dunks. Doh!

Even Curry who only played the last 4 minutes hit his only 2 shots for 5 points. very interesting and it makes it even tougher for Coach K on who to cut in my opinion.

by chrisd on Aug 21, 2010 1:54 PM PDT reply actions  

It's a real tough choice right now

Westbrook picked the right time to show up, but not sure it was player of the game worthy.
Who decides who that anyway?

by ghost_ride on Aug 21, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think it's FIBA

since they gave him a trophy afterwards. Crazy that there’s a trophy presentation for that. I thought Westbrook and Gay played well. Gordon had a really good overall game minus his missed dunk and getting blocked twice but it was nice to see him take it to the hole. ESPN announcers gave him mad love which was really nice too.

looks like Curry is still trying to heal but it his 2 shots in garbage time were good shots. It’ll be interesting to see how the news peeps spin this now and pick who is on the bubble without knowing what Coach K actually thinks.

by chrisd on Aug 21, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think Granger is on the bubble at all

We can’t go by PT cause then it would be Curry & Love who are both recovering from injuries. 6 guards is 1 too many.

by chrisd on Aug 21, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

the announcers even said

EJ has kind of gone under the radar possibly because he plays for the Clippers.

by AtotheZ on Aug 21, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's no surprsie

Kind of expected. He’s not the first or second option on the Clippers and he’s pretty quiet when it comes to reporting. Being overlooked isn’t surprising. Playing with Team USA and hitting the roster will really help his reputation though.

by JackduhSun on Aug 22, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I liked the 3 steals today...

His on ball defense has been great and his offense has been very stellar…. 48 total points on 15 of 32 field goals (47%), 10 of 22 3pt (45%), and 8 of 8 free throws.

by NBAFAN8 on Aug 21, 2010 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Defense

He as great at times… but he also got beat a couple of times today, which is not like him. It is weird having Frishcilla give him perhaps TOO much love. I certainly didn’t think he had a great game (though he was on the floor for the big run) – but to listen to the announcers, he was one of the real stars of the game.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Aug 21, 2010 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Gordon's defense was very good IMO

his defense on ball was very pesky and I only saw one or two times that EJ got beat that bad, and I think the main reason he got beat was that he was expecting some help D on the driver. EJ on offense was his normal efficient self which is exactly what team USA needs and it seems that coach K really appreciates his efficiency which is good. And I am happy that Frichilla was giving EJ some love because most of the other announcers have ignored EJ.

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by bestclipfan on Aug 22, 2010 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn’t hear all of Coach K’s postgame comments but in the one quote picked up by ESPN, K singled out Gay, Gordon and Rose for turning the gameM. Notably, he did not mention Westbrook (at least in that one quote).

If it’s a choice between winning a FIBA MVP of the game or a positive comment from Coach K, I’ll take the latter any day.

"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein

by Another son of Mike Smith on Aug 21, 2010 5:24 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Great game for EJ :-)

His on ball defense was outstanding. I thought in today’s game EJ was very aggressive on both ends. USA will need the bench to perform well again tomorrow vs. Spain.

EJ has now scored 48 points (3rd on the team in scoring) in the four full games. If my math is correct, haha…he is averaging 12 points a game for team USA. EJ also has a team high 10 made 3pt baskets.

Go Eric Gordon! Go USA! Go Clippers!

by NBAFAN8 on Aug 21, 2010 5:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Question

Box score has EJ 3 for 8 with 9 points. I remember a tough layup moving left, a three and the technical free throws. I don’t remember another make. Anyone? I thought he had a bad shooting night, but if he’d only made his dunk he would have finished at 50%.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Aug 21, 2010 10:01 PM PDT reply actions  

The other 2 points

At the start of the 4th quarter Eric Gordon got 2 steals in a row. The first steal led to a fast break dunk/layup for Rudy. The 2nd steal led to a dunk/layup for Eric Gordon. After that there was a timeout called.

by ClipperTheorist on Aug 21, 2010 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

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