Some Really Quick Thoughts on USA-Spain
It's a good win for Team USA against a good team in their building. There's no denying that. The last few minutes were pretty dicey, highlighted by a couple of things we thought might be weaknesses in the Team:
- suspect outside shooting - Andre Iguodala missed an ill-advised three about 2 feet wide left, and Lamar Odom airballed his own three a few minutes later and
- poor pick and roll defense - on three straight possessions during which Spain went from down four to up two, they got two wide open 12 footers as the guard got hung up on the screen while the big was no where to be found for the help, followed by a layup to the roll man.
That bad news was offset by some good news in the final minute. Kevin Durant and Derrick Rose game through in the clutch with some crucial buckets, and Team USA played a stifling zone on the last possession up by one, which surprised Spain. Durant blocked not one but two jump shots to preserve the win.
Of course, it's a meaningless game, and looking at the minutes played, you'd have to assume that Team USA was the one going all out to win: Durant played 37 minutes while no one for Spain played more than 29. It could be a very different story if these teams meet in the medal round. Still, as a confidence builder in a hostile environment, this was a very good thing for Team USA.
By the way, yesterday I said that we could expect about two extra travels called against Team USA because of the way FIBA calls steps before you begin your dribble. Well, based on this game, two was not nearly enough. There were at least five called against the US, and maybe more. Speaking of differences in the rules, kudos to Tyson Chandler for being perhaps the first American in history to actually knock a ball off the rim, taking advantage of that rule difference.
I caught some of the live broadcast on NBA-TV, but didn't get to watch the entire thing until the replay on ESPN. It's really interesting how different announcers have different perspectives. Late in the third quarter, Stephen Curry made a nice crossover and floater in the lane, followed by a steal where he picked Ricky Rubio clean and went in for the layup. The NBA TV announcers (Steve Smith and some other guy) said they felt like he probably secured his place on the team with those two plays and that Eric Gordon would be the final cut. Now, let's ignore for a second what a ludicrous statement that is. You have a multi week try out pocess, and two plays are supposedly going to be the ultimate determination for final cut. Right. Let's also ignore that the NEXT two plays were a turnover by Curry and an ill-advised and forced three pointer that he missed badly. The point is, these guys had clearly already decided that Eric Gordon should be the final cut and what they saw seemed to justify their preconception.
Gordon only played about 6 minutes in this one (the box score says he played 2:10, but it's wrong - his second quarter appearance was 2:10, but he also played close to 4 minutes at the end of the first quarter which the box score seems to have missed). It was not a great performance for EJ - he missed his only shot, dribbled the ball off his foot once, and also got a second turnover hung on him, though I didn't notice him turning it over a second time. But he wasn't particularly bad either. He played good defense as usual.
The last cut is not obvious to me. Russell Westbrook has looked great the last two games. Rajon Rondo did not play today, and there was some confusion as to whether that was related to a sinus infection or not. Meanwhile, neither Kevin Love nor Danny Granger played a second in this game, nor were they really in the rotation against Lithuania. It's been assumed that the final cut would be a guard as it's hard to imagine keeping six players 6'3" and under on a twelve man roster. But it's becoming more and more obvious that given his preference, Coach K will not play many bigs, and will instead go small at every opportunity. Indeed, most of Gordon's minutes in this game were ostensibly at small forward, as he shared the floor with two other guards. So, would they cut Granger, who has only played 10:37 in two games in Madrid? Or does he need to keep both Granger and Love as insurance against injuries and/or foul trouble?
The "last man out" situation, which most writers tried to simplify down to "Gordon or Curry" originally, is now more complex than ever. Is Rondo OK? Is Curry OK? Do you really need Rondo and Westbrook? Can you afford to cut another big like Granger? As well as Westbrook has played in Madrid, I'll go back to what I said about Curry above. You have to look at the big picture, and not be overly influenced by recent results. If Rondo is OK, Rondo and Westbrook still appear to me to be redundant, and Westbrook would be my final cut. I have to say, he's impressed me more and more, and he's a special talent. But I think he is the most expendable of the remaining players.
That's just me. We'll have to wait until Thursday (when the final roster for the tournament is due) to find out. I'll tell you this - I'm far from convinced that EJ's spot is safe. Not because he's played poorly, but because the other guards are all pretty darn good too. But I do presonally feel like EJ brings some size and strength that the others do not, and that he should be kept for that reason. The last cut will be after USA-Greece, where we'll see what Coach K's rotation looks like against a BIG team. If he leaves Granger and/or Love at the end of the bench against Team Hellas, it might be an indication that he is willing to cut one of them and take his chances with small ball. If you don't go big against Greece, there's no one to go big against.
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Interesting quote from Coach K
Here’s what Coach K had to say about playing time and game plan for this game (after the game of course – from USABasketball.com):
"Curry has been out so we wanted to give him a chance and we already know what Rondo and Granger can do, and Love was out. The doctor wanted to keep him out because of hitting his head and because it’s back-to-back, so that was a precaution. That was our plan tonight, just to take a better look at our team."
The thing that concerns me about Gordon in this game was he stopped going to the basket or shooting the 3 as much as previous games. Yes his defense is great but if he’s supposed to be this great outside threat then why isn’t he shooting the ball more? I would think he’d need that to get going to show what he can bring game time. I hope he makes it and I think he should make it. Westbrook is making a good case for himself, I can’t say Gordon helped out his stock in this game. Maybe he didn’t hurt it, but he didn’t help it which is hurting it in my book.
One interesting thing about Curry
When he was out there with Westbrook, it was Curry, not Westbrook, running the point.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Aug 23, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
No love for Gordon by the announcers.
Gordon plays with Westbrook and Curry and they won’t pass him the ball,Gordon is a team player and the reporters are assholes who want to be right. They never give Gordon Credit. they only want to criticize him.
Playing Gordon a few minutes is ridiculous and you are right he played as a small forward. That also happened against Lithuania at the end of the game Gordon played small forward.It was Gordon that broke the game open with NINE points in the 3rd quarter, The key was two steals back to back and the last one he took the layup.The truth is Gordon is consider the odd man out because he is a Clipper by the press.
the announcers on ESPN love Gordon but he doesn't get any love on NBA TV
mostly because Kenny is an idiot.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
Another quote from Coach K...
“Lamar Odom should be our starting center. He’s finally into shape… to play at this level…”
So, it will be Odom as the starter and Chandler will back up. It seems to me he might be thinking about cutting Love.
announcers also declared Westbrook to be "off the bubble" at one point.
The other Gordon TO came from a pass that KD (I think) dropped out of bounds. The pass looked good but KD (pretty sure) wasn’t expecting it.
by oneight on Aug 23, 2010 7:32 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
yeah the guys on NBA TV didn't know what they were talking about
while Westbrook is finally scoring he has been a turn over machine and has looked lost when the ball is out of his hands.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
I tought that must have been the other TO
I certainly would have given that one to KD. I mean, it hit him in his hands. There was one play at the end of the first Q where the US turned it over after a Spain bucket, but we never saw it on the feed. That could have been on EJ also.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Aug 23, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I think the minutes analysis is misguided
I don’t really know how much you can deduce from the minutes and style of play thus far. Steve, you wonder whether Granger is on the bubble b/c of his minutes, and you mentioned that Coach K apparently likes to go small every chance he gets.
But is that really how he’s going to play in the tournament? Or is he trying to get as many guards out on the floor as possible right now in order to evaluate who gets cut? It would seem to make sense that unless he knows for sure who isn’t going to make it, he wants to see the candidates in action.
With Green and McGee, I think he had already made up his mind (and they were pretty obvious choices). So there was no need to give them more minutes. But from that cut, I think he’s been trying to see as many of the guards in actual game situations as possible.
I think Westbrook, Curry and EJ are neck and neck right now. I think if Curry is healthy, he makes it b/c he’s a shooter. If he’s not, he gets cut. Otherwise, I think it’s down to Westbrook and EJ. Westbrook seemed like the obvious cut, but his energy, athleticism and intensity have really made a noticeable impact when he’s been on the floor.
Tough choice for sure.
You're probably right
I do think his tendency is going to be to go small. But he’ll probably keep the remaining bigs as foul and injury insurance.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Aug 23, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't understand why Team USA's pick and roll defense is so weak
NBA teams and players use it all the time and Coach K has deliberately built a team that should be able to switch on almost everything. So what’s the deal?
Anyways, FIBA calls seem to allow a lot of physicality which is fine by me. Durant did not travel on that play…but on the other hand, there was a play where Rudy Fernandez was called for blocking even though on the replay he was well setup and stationary in front of Rose who bull dosed through him.
I’m glad the rules will be changing in the future to more closely resemble the NBA…
I've always thought zone was much more effective against the pick and roll.
I think once the Tourney starts and we change up our lineups/defense, our pick and roll defense will look better. Billups is just terrible at defense compared to the rest of the guards, which I think was really hurting us against a guard-heavy team like Spain.
Stop saying Rondo and Westbrook are the same
Yes both are penetrators(so is everyone else) and both “supposedly” can’t shoot jumpers ( I disagree, I say the get to the cup better), but Rondo is a true PG and Westbrook has the body, strenght, and explosiveness to guard 2 or 3s in FIBA. I say EJ will make it and so will those 2 along with Curry, The odd man out to me is definetly LOVE. Now, do I believe he’s a better rebounder than who we have playing the 4s, YES, but on Coach K’s sqaud he’s the 3rd center, but he’s shorter than Durant and Granger, so in ALL likely hood with Granger’s build and strength and Durants Length, in a crunch they can play the 5 in that 2-3 Zone(That my man from the Cuse teaches), not only that Mark Gasol and nene will have a field day with Love! He’s out, you keep EJ and Curry as your shooters, you keep EJ and Westbrook as your SG defenders and you keep Rondo NO MATTER WHAT, because of his ON ball defense and his setting people up. You have to keep Granger for your security and to keep pressure on IGGY and Gay to produce, rebound, defend and play smart, plus as your security for a 3rd Center. I love LOVE, but No love on this squad! PLEASE
Hmmm
You seem to think that Westbrook is better able to defend big twos and threes than Rondo, but I don’t think I necessarily agree with that. Rondo’s insane length allows him to play pretty big.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Aug 23, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Gordon will stop Rubio
With Calderon out that means more guard play from Rubio and you need a in the face guard with strength to stop him. Gordon has this size,strenght and quickness. Rubio will have a problem guarding Gordon. Gordon plays the game with the mind scent with What do I have to do to help win. Nobody understands spacing as well as him. That is why everyone likes to play with him.
Ricky Rubio reminds me of a young Steve Nash.
And Durant is the real deal this guy came through in the clutch.
Ricky Rubio would be Steve Nash if he could shoot
although he is young enough to be able to develop some resemblance of an outside game he will never be the shooter that Steve Nash is.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
How do we get Rubio?
Is he worth trading back the unprotected pick for?
Totally
He’s got ridiculous instincts and plenty of talent to go with it. But since everyone knows it, we’d have to give up a lot more than a pick for him.
Why?
Doesn’t look like he wants to play for Minny otherwise he’d already be there. I don’t think they have a replacement pick in 2012, seems to me the Clips have a leg up on anyone else. “You want your pick back? Give us Rubio. He’s never going to play for you anyway.”
Great point
I forgot that both Rubio and the pick are Minny-related. I always saw the Rubio-Minny relationship as being akin to the Yi Jianlian-Milwaukee relationship: it’s as much about the city as it is about the team. Yi complained there weren’t enough Chinese people in Milwaukee, and Rubio probably wants to go somewhere where he can become a brand name and not have to compete for minutes with Johnny Flynn or the other 20 point guards they have on that team.
Apparently Rubio can come over to the NBA next year,
so it’s a trade that could go down this summer before that is final. If he does agree to sign with the TWolves, I don’t know if they’d trade him for their unknown pick the next year. The good thing is if he turns out to be good but not liking it there after 1 year, maybe we could do the trade before the 2012 draft when we get their pick unconditionally and Baron is a FA.
Durant's baseline
awkward looking scoop shot in the last few minutes left me with my jaw on the floor!…i’d love to watch him everynight
Roger Sterling: To my knees, Don. They're bringing to my knees!"
by Lawler's Law on Aug 24, 2010 12:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah that was pretty amazing
and Durant seems to be getting more and more comfortable as a go to guy which is definitley good for team USA.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
by bestclipfan on Aug 24, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Eric Gordon is 6'-4"
He is 1" taller than the 6’-3" point guards Curry and Westbrook. How does that make him a small forward/ shooting guard option ??
Actually...
EJ’s pretty much 6’3". I don’t think he’s any taller than Curry or Rondo or Westbrook. However, he does outweigh those guys by about 30 pounds. Gordon has the heft and strength to defend guys that would simply overpower Steph Curry.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Aug 24, 2010 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Billups' Defense
Why the heck does Coach K insist on playing Rose alongside Billups? I understand offensively there’s something there, but defensively that’s a waste, given the options on the team. Billups got beat so many times last night by Navarro. Sure, he’s a great shooter, but I really didn’t see him contributing all that much, considering the huge minutes he got.

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