3 Team Trade for Melo
by kedro on Aug 24, 2010 5:38 PM PDT
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Clippers get Melo, Denver gets Eric Gordon & Gerald Wallace, Bobcats get Kaman
I know that this gives up 2 starters but the opportunity to get a star like Melo cannot be passed up. There are other alternatives to having Gordon traded such as Aminu and picks but I don't know if Denver would bite.
Bobcats have been known to be after Kaman for a while and along with Wallace a possible pick can be taken from them.
I don't know if Denver's goal is to stay competitive and that's what Wallace will provide to some extent.
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Denver has no bargaining power here.
They should be happy to receive anything for Melo because he is gone after this year. ex. Cleveland with Lebron, Toronto with Bosh.
all the power lies with Melo agreeing to an extension to his new team...
No team is going to give up young talent and assets to rent a player for one year. Denver is done! They want to trade Melo and Smith. Nene is hurt. They really should rebuild and out picks can help them do that!
Denver does have power
They at least have the power of negotiating the best offer. They don’t have to take the offer from Team A if they have a better offer from Team B.
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by Steve Perrin on Aug 24, 2010 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions
They don't even have to take any offers at all;
They may be a bit concern that Melo might take the Lebron route, pairing up with Amare or other stars to NY or another team, but their primary focus should be building a winning team to encourage Melo to stay in Denver. If they focus on taking offers for Melo, that’s a distraction for DEN’s FO and Melo himself.
They have time
and Melo realistically would want to pick a team now. The next CBA could cost him a ton of money and he could get injured during the season. For both sides they want resolution as soon as possible. Now that teams know he is available the Nuggets can leverage the interested parties against one another.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Aug 25, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
That's an interesting trade
Seems like a decent idea for all three teams.
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by John R on Aug 24, 2010 9:18 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
+1
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by falconPUNCH on Aug 24, 2010 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Creative, that's for sure
But why would the Bobcats do that? :) They just signed Kwame Brown. They’re fine now with bigs.
oh yea...like Kwame Brown is the answer to their problems
R.I.P. Lorenzen Wright November 4, 1975 - July 28, 2010
Kwame is really their center
They traded Chandler & ratliff signed with lakers
by kedro on Aug 25, 2010 1:41 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
They still have Dampier
But he’s expected to be traded or waived
by kedro on Aug 25, 2010 1:43 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I think he was alraedy waived
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
This is a great trade ... for Denver!
Maybe Kedro is a Nuggets fan?
Gerald Wallace’s all-around great game is as good or better than Carmelo’s one dimensional scoring. While Crash doesn’t have quite the name recognition of Carmelo, he’s a superior player in every facet of the game besides PPG. (Ball Don’t Lie pretty much takes this position in their recent rankings) And Crash is a great teammate who always plays hard and is signed to a much cheaper contract than Carmelo will require.
This deal would be more lop-sided in Denver’s favor than the Pau Gasol deal was for the Lakers. If this happens, I’ll be rooting for the Nuggtets!! Fortunately, even if the Clippers were foolish enough to make this deal, Charlotte would not.
Melo>>>Wallace
Melo is a go to scorer (great shooter and post player) something Wallace will never be thats why bobcats had to go after s jax. Wallace is a good rebounder and hustler but at the end of the day scoring is the name of the game
at the end of the day scoring is the name of the game
While the NBA Marketing Department would agree with you, most knowledgeable basketball analysts would shake their heads sadly and sigh at that statement.
It's complicated
statistics can be both misleading. A high volume scorer could actually be hurting his team by taking too many bad shots but at the same time efficient scorers can hurt their teams by not taking enough shots. It also doesn’t take into account diminishing returns, the highest volume shooters in the league generally have average shooting efficiencies because they have to take a greater amount of bad shots (sometimes willingly, sometimes forced). Maybe someone can pull the data on players shooting % from 24-4 seconds remaining on the shot clock and take out the shots taken with less than 4 seconds left and see how players stack up.
So yes, a player like Trevor Ariza was a fairly efficient offensive player playing as a complementary piece on the Magic and Lakers but struggled creating his own shot last year on a Houston team devoid of many play makers. If your sole purpose is to shoot wide open jumpers then you should have a above average shooting %.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Aug 25, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
This is certainly the conventional wisdom
“It also doesn’t take into account diminishing returns, the highest volume shooters in the league generally have average shooting efficiencies because they have to take a greater amount of bad shots (sometimes willingly, sometimes forced).”
I don’t have time for all of it, but there is a solid counterpoint to at least Melo this one. Even assuming this is true, which I don’t, this still leads to significant seperation between Melo and the elite. Even if what you say is true, that still doesn’t explain how Anthony lags far behind the Wades, Lebrons, Durants, or even a 31yo Kobe. Historically he lags behind guys like Reggie Miller. All of those guys “have” to take those shots and they are all much more efficient than Anthony.
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
That's an interesting point... what makes Melo different from those other guys?
Melo seems to have less dimension than the other players you’ve listed; his defense and ability/willingness to set up teammates are certainly lacking. I agree that Melo is not at the same level as those other guys, but for me it’s more of a belief that a one-dimensional scorer can only take his team so far, and not based on hard reason or facts. Could you elaborate on your point here please? Thanks!
by Raining Buckets on Aug 25, 2010 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions
No need to get caught up on magical intangibles
But it is the reason he is an easy case to bridge the stats/magic divide. Everyone seems to get now he isn’t on that elite level, but I guess not everyone can yet see why so some might look to things that may not matter or may not even exist.
Its all right there in efficiency:
Player TS% eFG% FGA/G
Anthony .548 .478 21.8
Wade .562 .500 19.6
James .604 .545 20.1
Durant .607 .514 20.3
Miller (‘90/’91 25yo) .650 .560 14.2
The Nuggets fortunes are deeply entwined with the fact that Carmelo Anthony uses 1/3 of the Nuggets possessions. He wants the ball; he gets the ball; he has the green light. Unfortunately for the Nuggets, he doesn’t actually score with the big boys. In terms of points he does, but his efficiency falls way short. If the guy responsible for a far disproportionate number of your shots isn’t great, you aren’t likely to be great.
What more could you ask of a supporting cast if you are supposedly an elite scorer than what the Nuggets have put around Anthony? He has had great point guards in Miller and Billups (and Blake) and he has had elite bigs in Camby, Nene, Martin and Anderson. Sure those guys have had injuries, but they have so many they just keep rotating in.
The problem isn’t injuries or Coach Karl or JR Smith or any other distraction. The problem is Carmelo’s lack of elite efficiency combined with his proclivity to shoot like he is elite absolutely puts a cap on what your team can achieve.
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
by John R on Aug 26, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Nuggets were 2 Trevor Ariza inbounds steals from reaching the Finals.
Nene, Martin, and Anderson are far from Elite bigs. Not to mention they’ve missed at 6 NBA seasons combined.
Melo is Paul Pierce before the big 3. He’s never played with a 2 as effective as EJ. No, Dahntay Jones and Aaron Afflalo do not count.
Blake will be comparable, if not better than K-Mart, in 2 years.
I would welcome Melo here in exchange for Kaman and Aminu with open arms.
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's going down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Aug 26, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, you are wrong and you offered no real evidence to defend your points
It is what it is.
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
Disagree
Do a analysis of Kaman, he’s one of the least efficient offensive players around. Addition by subtraction in a way. Trading Kaman and Aminu for Melo would definitely improve the Clippers. Now is the potential of the team limited? Perhaps but its fair to say the potential of the current team is even more limited.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Aug 26, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Kaman has suffered of late in the efficiency department
A Great Example!
Notice that when Kaman was unexpectedly good in the efficiency department the Clippers had their best season ever. Then the next season when he was unexpectedly bad, the Clippers were a disappointment.
The fact that he made all star in one of his worst efficiency years goes to what I am saying here.
All of that said, in his best years, Kaman has been more productive that Anthony has been. I am not against trading Kaman, but Kaman for Anthony is a bad trade for talent and contract reasons.
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
Well, that was helpful.
Your opinion is that he’s wrong. You offered no more empirical evidence than Gordon for President did, John R. Can you really know that Melo’s inefficiencies aren’t caused by unimaginative offensive schemes of George Karl or the constant leadership required to wrangle in a wild card like JR Smith? Do you really know that Melo wouldn’t become an improved player if he had a Pau Gasol by his side? No, and you don’t provide any evidence showing that you can know these things.
Gordon for President gives many facts in his post:
1. Nene, Martin, and Anderson are not elite bigs, which you of all people don’t need to be convinced, given your affinity for statistics.
2. Melo’s never had an efficient scoring 2, he’s only had the “defensive stopper” type. Go ahead and try to argue that one.
He also includes some speculation:
3. Melo is Paul Pierce before the big 3. Yes, he’s a primary scorer on a team with limited other scoring options. Nothing to disagree with there, and it would be redundant to provide empirical evidence.
4. Blake Griffin will be comparable or better than Kenyon Martin in 2 years. Why should he need to provide evidence for speculation? An athletic #1 draft pick becoming comparable to an iffy starter who used to be known for his athleticism? Sure, why not.
Stop picking at things just to pick at them. I cannot fathom why you so frequently make these short posts that do nothing other than insult people and bring them down, adding absolutely nothing to the discussion.
So I invite you to try again, and perhaps bring your own beloved evidence to support your opinion that Carmelo Anthony is playing with elite bigs, an effective scoring 2, and whatever other arguments you so vehemently seek to debunk. Or can you not live with the fact that someone else may have a differing opinion than yours? Agreeing to disagree is one thing, but you have failed to show the capacity to do that without throwing a lime in someone’s eye first.
by BayAreaClipper on Aug 26, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
BayAreaClipper.
VERY well said. And not just because it backs up my post (and for the record, my views are not the end all, be all).
John R, if you want evidence and stats, NBA.com is right there to assist you. I don’t need to post seasonal averages that everyone and their mother can see for themselves on the league’s official site.
It’s my view you are seriously undervaluing Melo (exactly has you have done to young Eric Gordon who is currently lighting it up on Team USA).
You’re entitled to your opinion, but you hammer them down people’s throats like facts.
Chill.
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's going down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Aug 26, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually
NBA.com isn’t the right source to look over stats. That’s like looking over there (or Yahoo & ESPN) and concluding a player. It’s horrible! I know your arguement is to say stats are a small tool to use; but JR doesn’t use those stats, kudos to you. And with that, the stats JR looks over, they’re fairly complicated. Your mother, my mother, maybe even SP’s mother woudn’t even be able to look over them. If you were to look at “PER’s” that’s simple. But if you were to explain how PER’s were calculated, then you become a little stumped.
Idk what site JR uses, but sometimes he’s right and has an overwelming statistics to backup his claim, or he could be wrong (or atleast from the general consesus) with manipulative one sided statistics (from what people say.)
I'm just going to point out that if you are saying John R is the only person to understand John R's stats, how does that make his arguements legitimate??
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's going down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Aug 26, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
While I disagree with your premise...
how would that make them illegitimate?
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
It's like Joseph Smith reading his seer stones from inside of a hat.
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's going down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Aug 26, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Science = religion
You heard it here first folks.
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
I guess incorrect facts are worse than opinion
“Your opinion is that he’s wrong. You offered no more empirical evidence than Gordon for President did, John R. "
Actually, I put a very long post that contained significant empirical evidence. Shooting percentages matter.
As to the rest:
1. Is incorrect and just demonstrates a failure to evaluate talent when the focus isn’t yay points.
2. Neither has any of the others on my list. While a “fact” it is something that was already controller for
3. A completely unsupported opinion. Meaningless.
4. If you aren’t ready to provide evidence, you are probably better off holding back because I will call you on it. If you aren’t ready to provide evidence you are just a fiction writer.
I made a short post because he didn’t refute a single thing in my comment. Start there, then I would respond to that. A conversation involves two people talking to each other. Not one person providing evidence and data and the other going “nuh-uh”.
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
Another victim for you sir!(bay area clipper)
Someone on this site wrote “Statistic are meant to be
manipulated” so you my friend are neither right or wrong.
Your stats John R are always manipulated to make sense
to you and only the your statement most of the times we
are here scratching our head thinking what!! But like i
said before you just like getting a rise out people. I think
you actually enjoy it. GOOD LUCK BAY AREA CLIPPER
ON THIS ONE.
Shooting percentages don't provide near enough detail to support such a complex argument.
All you did was write off any opinions Gordon for President had, but still came to the conclusion that he’s outright “wrong.” Unless you first qualify that as your opinion, which you didn’t, you’re just as guilty of replying “nuh-uh” to a sound argument. You are entitled to your own opinion, but the way you go about describing your opinion treats it as fact, which it simply is not.
1. You really provided no evidence showing anyone that Kenyon Martin, Nene, and Anderson are elite bigs. Your argument is about Carmelo’s scoring, yet you say scoring shouldn’t be used to measure their effectiveness. Yet if there’s no one else to score on the team, and the load is placed solely on one player’s back with no other scoring options, it makes logical sense that defenses would be able to suffocate the one scorer on the team. It’s no coincidence that Billups had a career year in scoring, despite being on the wrong side of his career. But is Billups really an elite scoring option? Yes, he’s absolutely an elite guard, but he’s not an elite scorer. From the standpoint of scoring, none of those bigs are close to elite, which is the heart of the argument anyways. I don’t care how many rebounders/defenders you have, if you don’t have enough scoring options, you’re not going to win games. Ask the Charlotte Bobcats.
2. The point was made because the Clippers could provide an effective 2 that Melo has never had. In other words, the Clippers could provide a change in environment, surrounding Melo with more talented players. Whether this is a 2, or a 4 (Pau Gasol for Kobe), is beside the point. The point is, we have a tool (EJ) who is an improvement on what Melo has had in the past.
3. You said it yourself. Melo wants the ball and gets the ball. He isn’t asked to share the scoring load. This is only as meaningless and unsupported an opinion as you’ve made it yourself. Paul Pierce was in the exact same situation prior to the Celtics’ acquisition of Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett. Why split hairs? It’s always been a high-level argument, but you’re trying to make it more than it is.
4. As evaluation of the talent of a player is not a science, as much as you’d like it to be, opinions and speculations are far from meaningless. They cannot be argued against, and they should not be. But they are never “wrong” until proven to be, which cannot be done at this point. For now, it’s unknowable.
by BayAreaClipper on Aug 26, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually, I intentionally selected a very narrow argument
That Carmelo Anthony is significantly different than Lebron, Durant and Wade. Notice this has nothing to do with Eric Gordon, Blake Griffin, Paul Pierce, or anyone else.
I guess it might sort of relate to the fact that Paul Pierce is also overrated, but I don’t think that was his point.
1. This was not my point and was not even close to main evidence. Attacking the weakest throwaway point does not a refutation make.
“Your argument is about Carmelo’s scoring, yet you say scoring shouldn’t be used to measure their effectiveness. "
That is a complete miss. Points per game shouldn’t be used. Scoring efficiency should. But it is only one piece.
2. If that was the point there is no point. It does not relate in any way to the point that I was making.
3. You both have still failed to demonstrate how Paul Pierce is in any way like Carmelo Anthony and how that relates to the fact that Carmelo Anthony isn’t an elite player.
4. Like I said, fiction writing mixed with an unsupported (and incorrect) opinion on the worth of Kenyon Martin.
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
Narrow argument indeed
1. Your only point was that they were elite bigs. I’m saying why their elite abilities don’t particularly contribute to Melo shooting a higher percentage. A better counter argument, rather than just stating that I’m missing your point, is that the other players on your list also don’t have elite scoring bigs playing alongside them. But you’d rather argue semantics than actually address the fact that I was equating scoring abilities of the bigs’ effect on the scoring efficiency of Carmelo. I said “scoring” as a general term, in this case referring to efficiency, not totals, but you can make you own assumptions if I’m not being specific enough. That’s fine. Of course, if I were talking about totals, it would have been out of line with my entire argument. But I shouldn’t assume you can connect point A to point C.
2. Looking back, yes, this has nothing to do with your points, but it was a new point brought up by Gordon for President.
3. Again, this was a new point brought up by Gordon for President. The way that they were alike was in their situations with their teams, nothing more. This is probably a separate argument and has less bearing on Carmelo Anthony’s abilities, and more of a tool used to predict possible ways for him to improve his situation and get a title.
4. I don’t care if Kenyon Martin is Michael Jordan, since Blake Griffin hasn’t played an NBA game, it’s all conjecture when comparing the two. Why must you insist that an argument of this manner is incorrect when you can’t possibly know that? Completely irrational.
by BayAreaClipper on Aug 26, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Sigh
1. This wasn’t the point at all and you know it. I don’t owe you or anyone else a refutation to a distraction about something that wasn’t the point. Especially when his reply didn’t address anything I said.
2. And yet you reflexively defended it. Its not me that has the problem here.
3. Not interested in new points. Especially since he didn’t directly address any of the real things I said. I didn’t owe a real reply, hence the short and snarky one.
4. Yeah, lets all make substantiated, unsupportable claims! That should make for excellent discussion!
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
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1. You said they were elite bigs, he said they weren’t, I kind of made a side argument about their elite abilities not being the right kind of elite abilities. Kinda moot.
2. No one has a problem, you just said his new point was wrong, and I was defending it. You should have been more specific about which parts of his opinions were wrong.
3. Agreed
4. This was like #2, a separate point included in his post that you said was wrong, and I said that you can’t really know that, and then we started arguing about something that never was meant to be argued to begin with, which is why this doesn’t really make any sense to keep talking about.
by BayAreaClipper on Aug 26, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I feel a little silly arguing this point though...
Since I actually agree with your main point. Thus far, he certainly hasn’t been as efficient or effective as the other guys on your list, which the percentages clearly show. But I just think that the finger can be pointed elsewhere… at least in part.
Some guys can overcome the deficiencies that surround them, and I don’t think Carmelo is able to. Carmelo is not worth the same as KD or Wade or LeBron precisely for this reason. They are able to play in un-ideal situations and still put up the same numbers. However, statistically I think he can match their efficiency numbers, if you put him in an ideal situation.
So it’s silly since I’m not even trying to say that your statistics are wrong or anything. It’s just the reason that they’re weaker than his competitors is what we disagree on.
by BayAreaClipper on Aug 26, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Man, I forgot Reggie Evans
The Nuggets have been stocked deep with high quality bigs for like half a decade.
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
Haha Reggie Evans
He’s certainly a unique rebounder…
by BayAreaClipper on Aug 27, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Hmmm
Were you kidding or is he actually statistically an efficient big? His PER doesn’t look very good, but I don’t know what the complex statistics say.
by BayAreaClipper on Aug 27, 2010 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
No foolies, and no advances stats
12.7 rebounds per 36 minutes for his career; up to 13.4 and 14.7 during his time in Denver.
Did you also know Nene has led the league in TS% the last 2 years?
Carmelo already had the teams people are trying to say he needed.
Coaches don't matter. - Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball
That was a great line
A conversation involves two people talking to each other. Not one person providing evidence and data and the other going "nuh-uh".
I had one of those… amazingly it was from the man who first responded to this comment who assumed I was a hater for the simple fact that I had a different opinion of EJ. LOL
“nuh uhh”
I like this trade better...
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2cojxpk
or this one:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2e3oru2
but theres no real need to involve a 3rd team unless Denver doesnt want Kaman….
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=29m6zjq
R.I.P. Lorenzen Wright November 4, 1975 - July 28, 2010
These trades better for the clips but...
theres no way Denver bits on Hamiltons bloated contract that last another 2-3 years, i dont know but i would assume that Denver would want to get a SF in return to fill the hole rather than a big man (kaman) they already have nene, martin, birdman, harrington (yeah he can play some SF)
Kaman and Nene backcourt is going to be stunning
Martin has one season and they want him out
Birdman is a backup
Harrington should stick to being a SF
remember…Nene is really a PF
they get AFA in either situation, he’s a SF, all the potential to be a real good player
if Detroit is involved…i look at Prince as the more likely option. a SF and expiring contract…could even teach AFA how to play like Prince
R.I.P. Lorenzen Wright November 4, 1975 - July 28, 2010
hi guys Bobcat fan here
i was looking around and saw this and thought id comment of course we would love Kaman but in my own opinion i dont think we would trade Wallace for him or atleast i wouldnt but it could be possible
Welcome!
I posted this under another thread, but what do you think of this trade…?
Clippers get: Carmelo Anthony
Nuggets get: Gerald Wallace + Erick Dampier + Al Farouq Aminu + Minny Pick
Bobcats get: Chris Kaman + J.R. Smith
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5679515
- Nuggets get a REALLY good replacement SF (Wallace), a salary dump for J.R. Smith (they can waive Dampier), a lottery pick from this year (Aminu), and another pick that is almost a guaranteed lottery pick (Minny pick).
- Bobcats get a starting center that virtually duplicates the production of Wallace (Kaman), and a capable starting SG who averaged 15ppg last season (Smith).
"look, you can find any coach you want, bring him in here and run the situation. But I don't think they are going to do as good a job as I do." -Mike Dunleavy Sr.
by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Aug 26, 2010 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Go Nuggets!
Nuggets would contend with the Lakers for the WC title, and should be set up as a perrenial WC contender if the AFA and the Minny pick pan out.
Clippers would generate some buzz but continue to be an also-ran, much as happened after they traded for Dominique Wilkins. Even if Carmelo extended his contract, he would demand a trade within two years.
Bobcats would get a little worse and probably just miss the playoffs. No center “duplicates the production of Wallace.” And an offense led by Jax, JR and Kaman would be a very strange creation, not likely to be what MJ or Larry Brown are looking to gamble on.
well thats why i cant see us doing that
i think we would only give up Gerald for Melo and thats a long shot but i think if we give up Wallace we need a starting PG and C in the deal and even then i dont know if we would Gerald means alot to everyone in Charlotte
I said "virtually duplicates the production of Wallace"
You can’t quote me on that, and leave that part out.
"look, you can find any coach you want, bring him in here and run the situation. But I don't think they are going to do as good a job as I do." -Mike Dunleavy Sr.
by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Aug 27, 2010 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Virtually implies similarity
There is none because they are very different types of players. No center produces the same results as Gerald Wallace. I get that they have similar scoring and rebounding stats, but they are very different players in an actual basketball game. No disrespect to you intended, but this trade would be very bad for both the Clippers and Bobcats, the two teams I follow.
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