USA 87 - Greece 59 - Gordon Leads Team with 18
Don't get too excited about winning so handily against a team that many suspect will be a medal contender next week in Turkey. This doesn't mean any more than when the Clippers beat the Lakers in pre-season. The Greek team will look totally different if Team USA sees them in the medal round. All those rebounds, all those steals - they're going to dry up as Team Hellas steps up their intensity.
Still, it did illustrate where Team USA's advantage lies, and it's in quickness and athleticism. It's going to be a pretty simple formula in Turkey. If opponents can turn the game into a half court affair, they may have a chance. If the Americans can force turnovers and get out and run, I don't think anyone can play with them.
In the first game where he wasn't worrying about his spot on the roster, Eric Gordon led Team USA with 18 points. He also had two steals, and could have been credited with more than that by my reckoning. He probably had eight deflections on defense. EJ was feeling it from the moment in checked in, getting a steal and a tough finish on his first sequence (he should have gone to the line for the and one as he was also hit pretty hard on the shot). He finished 4 for 7 on three pointers, while Stephen Curry went 0 for 4 from beyond the arc, probably cementing Gordon's position as the first shooter off the bench when the tournament starts. Of course that won't count for much - Coach K has shown a willingness to go with the hot hand, whoever it is, so if EJ comes in and misses his first couple shots, Steph will get his chance soon enough.
Fran Frischilla Fraschilla, who has been a big supporter of EJ's value to the team from the beginning, had an interesting take on the departure of Rajon Rondo. Basically, he felt like Rondo had the potential to be a disruptive force, as an NBA champion, with a few more years in the league and not to mention a stubborn streak. Once Team USA decided to go with Derrick Rose as the starter, Frischilla Fraschilla called it "addition by substraction" to cut Rondo, who might not have been happy coming off the bench. In his theory, Derrick Rose, Gordon, Westbrook and Curry all benefit from not having to worry about looking over their shoulder with Rondo gone. I'm not sure I buy it completely, but it's an interesting take.
It was interesting that once again in this game Gordon played quite a bit of small forward, despite the fact that the roster is more balanced at this point, with five guards and seven forwards among the twelve players. Krzyzewski is clearly loving his quickness advantage, and is trying to get as many minutes for his backcourt players as he can.
And how about Kevin Love in this game? Twelve rebounds (half of them on the offensive glass) in twelve minutes! He has such a sense for the ball and such good hands, he just gets every rebound that he comes near. He's been limited by a couple of different minor injuries during the tune ups, but I really think the team can benefit from getting him more minutes. (In fact, it probably says something about how much the coaches like him, that he's on the team despite missing most of the exhibition games.) He may not block shots, but he will do everything else you want from your big man, including clogging the lane and drawing charges.
So this young and inexperienced Team USA heads off to Turkey after going 5-0 in exhibitiions against teams in the World Championships field. I'm the first to point out that exhibitions are nothing to get too excited about, but it's an important confidence boost for the team nonetheless, especially considering their youth and the shoes they're filling, as the follow up to the Redeem Team. It's also worth noting that it was an embarrassing loss to Italy in a warm up that presaged the unfortunate results in the 2004 Olympics. So yeah, I'd rather win the warm ups than lose them.
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ESPN color analyst
Turns out I’ve been spelling his name wrong… it’s Fraschilla. Are you just making fun of me, or is it a legit question? He’s a former college coach who has worked a lot with International prospects in recent years, and is ESPN’s designated International hoops expert at this point.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Aug 25, 2010 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
legit...
i had not heard of him before your reference…Thanks for the info…
Roger Sterling: To my knees, Don. They're bringing to my knees!"
by Lawler's Law on Aug 25, 2010 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
And the Hobbit strikes again...
Gordons realizing his stregths and weeknesses and playing to his streghths (shooting, defense and attacking the rim) with the confidence that you need in the NBA as a 2 gaurd. Hopefully seeing that he can compete with some great players in Durant and D Rose will catapult EJ to a 20ppg season for us this year.
Blake Griffin: "There's been much more fuel added to my fire... things change when something is taken away from you."
I'm not worried about 20ppg
EJ could easily do that if he shot more. I’m looking more for him improving his passing abilities, catch and shoot, fighting through screens, etc. The opportunity might come with Del Negro, as I become a bit more curious as to see which guard (Baron or Gordon) will benefit more from Gordon.
I always thought Griffin could have potentially floruished and learned alot with Dunleavy, but now we’ll never really know.
Everyone will benefit...
…as long as they play “the right way” ;-)
by Raining Buckets on Aug 25, 2010 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't like to correct people's writing
especially since I make a lot of errors myself but this one just really stood out too much to me
especially considering their youth and the shes they’re filling
Overall, great read. Very interesting take on Rondo, I always thought he became a little too cocky too fast since he won the Championship. But his talent really backed it up. Oh well, Team USA seems like they will do just fine.
Even if the Redeem Team returns in a few years…this is basically the team we should expect after the Redeem Team is done. Positive signs to a LONG successful future for Team USA
R.I.P. Lorenzen Wright November 4, 1975 - July 28, 2010
ok
that sentence was a last minute add… my bad
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Aug 25, 2010 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions
With the Kevin Love analysis
That’s great that he had 12 rebounds in 12 minutes, especially 6 offensive ones. But what happens when he has an equally strong body going against him in Sofo? I didn’t look over the box score or watch the game, but I believe that I read somewhere that Sofo missed this game for an MRI. Could his impose a concern when Sofo gets back, faces Love (who is clearly underweight when compared to Sofo), and the tables turning on Love? It’s more of a curiosity question as I am a bit curious as to how the bigs on Greece was if they were missing Big Sofo.
Do you think Curry, Gordon, and Durant will ever play together for ane extended period of time also?
Sofo twisted his ankle, no MRI
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
“Schortsanitis hurt his foot during warm-ups and was sent for an MRI exam.”
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AleVoEdNDkNtbBQnuIZbEgO8vLYF?slug=ap-greece-us
hmmm okay
Fraschilla said twisted ankle but I guess he was wrong.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
Love vs. Sofo
Well, he has more of a chance than any other US big. Remember the way Craig Smith ate up Odom last season?
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Aug 25, 2010 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Feeling really positive about EJ
Originally I had hoped he would just make the team, even if he wasn’t in the rotation, and that the experience itself would help him gain more confidence.
Now he’s not only on the team, but seemingly an important contributor. I wouldn’t be surprised if the other guys on the team and the coaches are encouraging EJ every day to be more aggressive, take more shots, etc. Hopefully he’ll realize how aggressive he needs to be to really be effective.
I’d love for this to be the precursor to the breakout 3rd year we’ve all been hoping for.
Great game for Gordon, I suppose...
… although every below-average player has his day once in a while. There is no way we can possibly expect to see this kind of production from him for the rest of the tournament.
Stuck in limbo.
LOL
I was thinking the same thing. It’s amazing how much better below average players do when they are incorporated onto teams with better players and coaches around them.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Don't worry about Sofo
He may be big like Love, but he is a terrible rebounder. It’s weird considering the rebounding success of guys with similar bodies(Z-bo, Love)
I don't think he's terrible at all
I think he’s more than adequate, especially if he’s motivated enough. He moves at a decent rate for his size, he has a gigantic build, and he knows how to use his size to his advantage.
And Zbo is far from Sofo’s level! Ahaha. ZBo may have been thick, but Sofo is gigantic…
Did anybody find it kind of cool
that at one point we almost had all three Clippers on Yahoo’s front page?
Eric Gordon was in team USA’s colors, Blake Griffin was on the top right, and now there’s Baron Davis.
Seeing EJ on the front page w/ that Blake Griffin snippet was great.
We have some legit players, hopefully Vinny can help the Clips overcome themselves. It all starts w/ a healthy Blake Griffin.
Agreed
It will be interesting to see how the players that we already have do. Maybe it’s not a bad idea to wait a bit to sign other expensive players.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Explain:
Maybe it’s not a bad idea to wait a bit to sign other expensive players.
When and with what cap space?
Sure
I continue to believe that the Clippers have a number of talented players as it is. I continue to believe that with a good coaching staff in place, and a good system in place, that these players might play better together than they have under what I consider to be poor coaching in the past. This may be particularly true if BG turns out to be what we all hope he will be.
There are a lot of unknowns here. We do not know how these players will all fit together in VDN’s system. I think it’s prudent to see (1) how well they play together; and (2) where the actual needs are after they play together for a while, before running around like chickens with our heads cut off trying to sign whatever available expensive free agents are out there at any particular time.
An architect that I very much respect (actually one of the key architects who designed Century City) told me once that when you buy a house you should just live in it for a while before making wholesale changes. I think that this saying applies to the Clippers after finally ridding themselves of the poor coach and system that had led them to the sub .400 record over seven years. There is talent here.
Re the cap space issue, the Clippers could potentially have signed a number of free agents with the cap space they had. There was alot of crying on this board because they didn’t rush out and do that. Some repeatedly and vociferously argued for panic mode signings.
My point is that the new coaching staff and FO need to see what they have and see how it all fits together before rushing out to sign other players.
Patience is a virtue.
In any event, this should be an interesting year. I’m looking forward to it.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Um right
My point is that the new coaching staff and FO need to see what they have and see how it all fits together before rushing out to sign other players.
Replace the cheapest parts to buy more time, sounds like the best way to string a suffering fan base on a little longer. This fan base has let them pull this crap on them so many times. Giving them time when they do the same thing year after year just makes us suckers for caring.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Aug 26, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
We shall see
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
We will
I’ll even make a bet with you on the outcome right now.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Aug 27, 2010 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
You are seriously going to bet against the success of your team?
I’m not going to allow you to do that – at least not with me.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
I really enjoy listening to Fran talk about basketball.
You can really tell he has studied the game from the college level, to FIBA, and the NBA.
He has been giving high praise to Gordon is every game. Much different that the NBATV announcers, who constantly said that Eric Gordon would be the last guy cut. I hated hearing that during every game on NBATV and during their Gametime shows after the games.
Fran knew what he was talking about afterall and I am glad EJ proved the media wrong :-)
More like first guy cut.
I’m glad that Gordon has opened a few eyes though. His included.
by Lawler 4ever on Aug 25, 2010 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions
props to EJ
He wasn’t given attention, so he took it. Gotta love that.
by indy818 on Aug 25, 2010 4:56 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
College Coach/Young Guys
The FF take on Rondo isn’t too far from the way I approached in a previous thread. Rondo had nothing to prove, and I guess FF added Rondo’s ego and manageability in as a factor. it’s interesting that Rondo was given the message, probably told where he stood and what his role would be (after the DNP, that he wasn’t going to get the respect that he wanted, and that he was going to be cut), and allowed to resign and save some face.
But let’s look at the guys that are left, and how old they are, and think of Coach K as a guy who likes to work with elite young players who are still in their formative years, more or less. Let’s not forget that EJ would be a senior in college this year. I forget the exact spot of the rest of the guys, but Gordon, Westbrook, Curry, Love, Durant and Rose (who am I forgetting) are all guys who would have just graduated or be rising seniors.
And they all seem to be good kids, even great ones. Solid characters all the way around. Coach K must be really happy, excited about working with these kids, right at this time in their careers. It’s a great follow up from the Beijing experience.
Losing Rondo cemented the identity of the squad in the perfect way for him.
I think you got them
Six who would be in college or just out – Rose, Gordon, Love, Westbrook, Durant and Curry. Six that are a little to a lot older, Gay, Granger, Iggy, Chandler, Odom and Billups. (By the way, how terrible has Granger been?)
I made this point a while back, and it may be worth a full post for the tourney – if USA Basketball stopped using college kids because they were losing to the full grown men on International teams, it seems ironic/unwise to go to Turkey with what would more or less be a college team in an earlier era, in the days when most everyone played four years.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Aug 25, 2010 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, re character
I don’t mean to disparage OJ Mayo too much, who by most accounts has been a pretty standup guy for the Grizz, but you wonder if character issues kept him off this team. It could even be a perception thing, with USC being put on probation – USA Basketball may not want that association.
Funny also how Lamar Odom has transformed from immature pothead to savvy vet. Funny what 11 seasons and a couple rings will do for a guy’s rep, even if he does marry a Kardashian.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Aug 25, 2010 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Odumb
I totally agree with this. But you know, it’s also just true that people mature as they get older. I do think he has matured and isn’t the same jackass who was dumb enough to get busted for pot TWICE and then had the nerve to trash the Clips (who actually stood by him when he got suspended…again…twice…the only moron to get busted twice).
I still hate the guy but I have to admit that he’s matured some. It’s also about managing expectations. Before he was hailed as an elite talent and everyone expected him to be a superstar. He clearly isn’t that. Heck, he isn’t even a starter on the Lakers. So yeah, a guy with his abilities coming off the bench…that’s a role he can flourish in. I think everyone’s reached a point where they’ve accepted his shortcomings and that allows people to focus more on the positives.
I still wouldn’t have him “mentor” anyone though. The guy’s gotten by on talent alone his whole life. All he can teach is how to coast and still get paid.
Can't agree with all that
just look at Odom, he’s added 30 pounds of muscle since he’s been in the league. And I don’t hold it against him for not starting, he’s behind a top 10 center and Pau Gasol. (And he’s arguably a better player than Bynum)
He could have easily washed out like Roy Tarpley or Isiah Rider but he’s still put together a very successful career. One gets the feeling that if he was drafted by a organization like the Spurs he would have gotten off to a much better start.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Aug 25, 2010 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Low standard
So basically you’re saying he deserves praise for allegedly adding 30 lbs of muscle (where are you getting this from?) and not washing out? The guy is 6-10 with agility and athleticism like a guard. Way more talent than guys like Tarpley or Rider.
And I’m not holding it against him for not starting. I’m saying that in that role, he FLOURISHED. I clearly gave him credit for doing well in his role. He’s not a starter for the Lakers right? Is that disputable? So what exactly is the beef?
Plus, who cares if he’s better than Bynum? How is that relevant at all? A lot of players are better than centers. So?
And where’s the evidence that he’s gained 30 lbs of muscle? Was he 200 lbs when he got in the league? And is all of that muscle? Or maybe is a chunk of that the standard weight gain between a guy when he’s 20 yrs old and when he’s 30? I mean it’s not like the guy looks like Dwight Howard. Are you really trying to hang your hat on his physique? He entered the league as a thin twig at 20 yrs old and now he’s 30 and filled out. Way to put in that work.
Some nice words for EJ from Lamar Odom
Lamar Odom said. “Look at Eric Gordon coming off the bench and leading us in scoring. These guys can all play, they can all shoot, they can all make plays, they’re all great basketball players.”
He put on a lot of muscle
he was more of a tall 3 but now he’s a legit PF. I think that’s evident by the fact he’s now one of the best rebounders in the NBA.
And if you ever saw Roy Tarpley play before the suspension you’d realize how good he was. He could have been a 20-10 player for a decade. A lot of talented players in the NBA hard their careers derailed by drugs during the go go 80s.
Isiaih Rider looked like he was going to be an all-star too. He was already a Eric Gordon like player the day he got into the NBA. But he smoked a lot of weed and partied too much and was out of the league essentially by 30.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Aug 25, 2010 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Isaiah Rider is just a cool name. It is a superstars name. Such a shame.
Regarding Odom, I feel that is just natural body filling out as he ages. The guy is not a gym rat. It’s a known fact that he coasts through the off season normally (which is why many Laker fans are happy he is playing for Team USA since he will actually be playing some ball in the off season).
He’s a slacker, who eats candy before games and chills/hangs out during the off season without any training.
Nothing has changed.
The Spurs?
They either wouldn’t have drafted him, or would’ve traded his ass the first chance they got.
by ghost_ride on Aug 25, 2010 7:04 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Possibly
but the Spurs have a good track record of keeping their players clean. They run a tight ship, DTS invites them to parties and interviews them while drunk…
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Aug 25, 2010 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm really pissed...
Why didn’t EJ win player of the game? He deserved that one way more than Darrick Rose.
Haters.
Clippers '10-'11. I love my team, but I hate the owner.
Well he is getting more media attention in post game reports then Rose is
for what it is worth.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
This game would of been great if Ralph lawler was anouncing.
EJ with the steal ohmemy. EJ for three BINGO. EJ for three Bingo. EJ with a another
steal now thats our boy Mike Smith don’t you think so. The pass is to EJ he shoot
the three Bingo. He’s on fire Mike this kid belongs on this USA team.

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