Poll: If EJ has to be included...
by SilverClip on Sep 1, 2010 2:52 PM PDT
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Print...in a deal for Carmelo, then on a scale of 1 to 4, how willing are you to part with him?
I ask because that may be what it comes down to. "No deal w/o EJ," I can hear Denver say. If so, then we may need to do some soul searching.
In the recent poll concerning our trade ceiling, less than 7% were willing to include EJ in the package. But is that a hard "NO," or are you willing to reconsider? In the 11th hour, when push comes to shove, and the rubber hits the road, just how firm are your convictions?
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At first I would have picked 2...
however looking at what the rest of the league has to offer I don’t think it is necessary to add EJ. Our main competition for the services of Melo is NJ, and NJ has already stated that they won’t trade Lopez, which only leaves Favors who I doubt they trade. The other possible team is Houston, which has cap space but little talent to offer (I guess they could trade Battier, but doubt the rockets want him). The media’s favorite is NYK but the best they can offer is Gallinari which pales in comparison to Kaman and AFA. Not to mention that we can offer them future talent in the form of Mini’s pick which will most likely be a top 5 pick. I see no reason that we have to add EJ.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
I hope you're right
I can easily see Denver deciding to hold onto Anthony unless they get what they consider to be an acceptable exchange. So even if no other team can do better, we may still need to pony up.
BTW, I still haven’t answered the poll question. It’s a hard one, for me.
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I think there mind set is they don't want to end up like the Cavs
and want to get something for Melo before he leaves which means they won’t likely holdout.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
NJ can offer...
a package built around Devin Harris ($8MM contract) and would probably have to include Outlaw and his $7MM salary to make a deal work plus an assortment of draft picks. We can definitely offer a better package than that starting with Kaman and probably AFA/Bledsoe. BD is also younger than Billups and might welcome a coach as prestigious as George Karl.
As far as the poll goes, I am emphatically in the “1” camp; EJ is tearing it up in the Worlds right now and we all agree that the one thing holding him back is his lack of leadership and that he plays TOO unselfishly at times. If he is finally breaking out of that shell now, we’d be ABSOLUTE FOOLS to trade him.
"I want someone who will, you know, let me put it in or who [will] suck on it." – Donald Sterling
Any trade that includes EJ will leave us at square one.
a core of EJ, Blake and Melo is whats going to get us into the promised land.
PREACH MY BROTHA! PREACH!
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by In GrIfFin We TrUsT on Sep 1, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
And that...
is a very sweet core my friends. +1 indeed!
"I want someone who will, you know, let me put it in or who [will] suck on it." – Donald Sterling
I wouldn't offer him
But if Denver calls saying "We have Melo ready to sign an extend and trade if you will do EJ + Kaman. If not, we’re going to trade him to ___________ ". I’m not sure you can pass up on that offer. You can hope they’re bluffing, and will agree to a lesser offer, but an opportunity to grab a guy like Melo doesn’t come around that often.
It would really hurt, but I think it’d definitely show that the Clips are a serious organization that wants to build a championship team and deserve credibility. Maybe other star players will take notice as well and will want to come as well. Hoping to get to that level through the draft and internal growth is ideal, but fact is, a trade like this might not just about the players, it would also be about respect.
I think if they said that then we would say
how about we give you Aminu and the Twolves pick that becomes unprotected in 2012. And then we can go from there.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
Rather have Aminu and the Minnesota pick
the Minnesota pick is pretty much a top 5 pick. So the 8th and 5th pick of a draft for EJ? Wouldn’t the Clippers essentially take that offer?
FA in 2010.
I don't think it's quite that simple, though.
The order of the draft isn’t necessarily the order of talent in the 2008 draft class. I’d wager EJ’s more valuable right now than either Beasley or Gallinari, with perhaps Brook Lopez getting the bump above him. It’s debatable whether Love, Westbrook or OJ are better than him at this point, so I’d put him definitely below Rose and Lopez, but you could make an argument that he’s anywhere from #3-6 in his draft class.
Is Aminu #8 in his class? We’ll see, but he’s not the lock that Griffin was. He may take time to realize his potential, if ever. And the Minny pick is probably top 5, but that’s two whole years away at this point and anything could change. Though I ranked Beasley below EJ right now, he could end up figuring his game out on a team not dominated by Wade. Two years is a lot of time, and he is a phenomenal talent that just issues to deal with first.
So no, I wouldn’t trade the known commodity we have in EJ for Aminu and gamble (however small) for a 5th pick. Would the Clippers make that trade? That’s a very good question, but I hope not.
It's pretty much at worst a 5th pick
Its probably more likely to be a top 3 pick. Andre Drummond and Austin Rivers will look terrific in red white and blue.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Sep 1, 2010 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions
No way, CC.
Both Aminu AND the Minny Pick could very well end up being busts. As a Clipper fan, aren’t you tired of looking at the “future” and “upside”? EJ might very well be an All-Star one day, or at worst, a very good 2 guard in this league.
Aminu and the Minny pick before EJ any day.
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's going down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Sep 1, 2010 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Not exactly non-partisan are you?
Given your handle. And yea I’m getting as impatient with the Clippers as anyone BUT the reality is if anyone offered us 2 high lottery picks for EJ the Clippers would be fools not to listen. A top 5 pick is worth a ton and we will kick ourselves in the crotch if it ended up being the 1st overall pick. I’m already hoping the Clippers draft Andre Drummond with that pick in 2012. That solves our center problem.
Ideally the Clippers get Melo for Kaman, AFA and Bledsoe. That leaves them enough room to offer Dampier a 2 year 7-8 million deal which should give us a decent hip hop Center duo of DJ Damp.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Sep 1, 2010 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
So?
If they want the Clips to give up Kaman and EJ does that mean the Clips want to win now?
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Sep 2, 2010 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Sure, but compared to the Kaman+Aminu+picks? Not as much...
Unless you think Aminu’s impact will be greater than EJ’s next season…
I don't
but a starting lineup of Foye, Baron, DJ, BG and Melo is still stronger than a lineup of EJ, Baron, Kaman, BG and Gomes/Butler.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Sep 2, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
You a giving up 36 points for maybe 28.
How is that a better team. You give up Kaman or Baron Plus aminu &
a pick what you are suggesting is we go side ways. That line up is
just going to sell you tickets thats it. Denver is in no position to demand
more than that. They don’t trade melo he walks and they don’t get
anything.
My handle isn't because I'm a Gordon fan specifically. I created it during Oct/Nov 2008 when the country had Obama fever.
Having said that, I still stand by my original point. We don’t need future lottery picks, we’ve had those for years. If a team offered us two lottery picks for EJ right now, I’d say thanks but no thanks.
A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush, especially when that bird is currently the second leading scorer on Team USA.
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's going down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Sep 2, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
That's some terrible math
Melo will be +15 over Gomes. DJ will be -8 from Kaman and Foye will be -4 from EJ. Still come out ahead using some very primitive counting measurements.
And Denver has a lot of leverage, Melo wants the extension before the next CBA he just doesn’t want to stay on in a declining Nuggets team, multiple teams are vying for Melo’s service (driving the price up). The Bulls, Nets, Knicks are also viable trading partners.
Bulls could offer Gibson and Deng (plus future picks perhaps?) for Melo
Nets could offer pretty much anything on their roster sans Lopez
Knicks could offer Gallinari, Eddy Curry’s expiring contract plus a couple of future 1st round picks.
At the very least the Clippers have to beat out the Knicks offer which they can if they choose to. Keep that in mind.
FA in 2010.
but you're position is that you'd rather have picks than EJ
so, you’re basically saying that you would rather have Foye, Baron, DJ, BG and Melo than EJ, Baron, DJ, BG and Melo.
Not what I'm saying
I’m saying if the Nuggets rather have EJ then so be it. The Minnesota pick and Aminu are worth more than EJ. For a top 5 pick you can get a very very good player in a trade.
FA in 2010.
I interpret this as a vote of confidence for the FO or you don't think EJ has room to grow.
EJ’s potential has not been realized after two seasons, we could really regret parting with him when he starts climbing out of below average status starting next season.
You are weird
Its not a vote of confidence for the FO, its the simple fact draft picks are worth a lot, especially top 3 picks. EJ is a fine player but he doesn’t appear to have superstar potential. Some guys like Wade, LBJ, Howard pretty much showed they had “it” within their first couple of seasons, I don’t think EJ has “it”. So would I rather have a good prospect in Aminu AND a probable top 3 pick over EJ? Then the answer is plainly yes.
FA in 2010.
I see, so you'd rather be out fishing for another "it" players (i.e. superstar) in two years
…when you already landed Melo and have a #1 top pick ready to go today? That’s fine, there is a part of me that would be ok with trading EJ+Kaman for Melo…something I’m still trying to figure out.
A roster with Melo and Griffin as the main focal points – EJ would be a perfect complementary player today…we wouldn’t have to wait until 2012 just to draft either A) a big man, or B) an “Eric Gordon”-type.
It’s clear that he can contribute on Team USA simply by playing in the flow of the offense…
I rather have the picks still
You can get a EJ-level player back in 2012 with that pick. I’m not a big Foye fan but he’s not that much of a drop off from EJ, especially since Foye would be pretty much a jump shooter on a team with Melo, Baron and BG which is something he does excel at.
FA in 2010.
For the record
it sounds like your first choice is to offer Kaman + AFA + (Bledsoe or our 2011 pick), followed by Kaman + EJ. Third would come Kaman + AFA + the Minni pick, although maybe you wouldn’t do that one. So AFA + Bledsoe < EJ < AFA + Minni pick. Therefore, Bledsoe <<< Minni pick. Is that correct?
What about something less conventional, like Kaman + Rasual + Minni pick? Would you still rather trade EJ, perhaps? I ask because you seem very attached to that 2012 lottery.
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Close one
I would keep EJ over Minnesota and Sool (this trade wouldn’t be possible until Dec 15) on the small chance Minnesota somehow becomes a semi-decent team. Next off-season the Minnesota pick might be more valuable than EJ depending on whether how much EJ improves this season (or not).
FA in 2010.
agreed not even debatable
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Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Kaman & EJ is too much.
I think the Kaman aminu and 1st round pick is enough. Of course thats if melo extends,
if not forgetaboutit. Denver is the weak negotiator because if they don’t trade melo will
walk a la Lebron. I think we give them the best deal unless minny decide to give them
the entire team. Jersey isn’t going to part with Lopez and Houston only has complimentary
players. Now if the bulls get involved and send Deng and a couple of future picks that
might get it done. New york has nothing to offer and New orleans don’t want any more
cap. So i basically think we have the best offer.
NO doesn't want anymore cap?
They’ll do anything to keep CP3. And if they acquire Melo without letting go of CP3, they should do so in the process.
"Things change when something is taken away from you" -BG32
sorry, but the question is
IF EJ HAS to be included, meaning either 1.give up EJ or 2.don’t get melo, not try to offer something else, not to get a 3rd team involved, not what you think is enough to get a deal done, nothing. Of course it’s all hypothetical and we’d all like an EJ, Melo, BG core if that’s an option, but again that’s not the question.
You have to do the math first
EJ is on a rookie contract. In order to get Melo & his giant contract right now, Kaman would have to be involved for the trade to be allowable based on cap reasons alone. We could trade Gordon and other players we recently signed or re-signed but not until after Dec. 15th.
No way should we do the trade if it means trading both Kaman & EJ, that leaves too big of holes at our C & SG. If it’s Dec. 15th and our season isn’t going well and the trade is still an option, then yes, I’d trade Gordon with other re-signed or newly acquired player and a draft pick only if ’Melo extended his contract. I think if Melo were too come over, Kaman would be more valuable to have than Gordon because DJ is nowhere near ready to ever be a starter in this league.
Sigh...
This is a tough one.. I have a real problem parting ways with EJ, but if we HAVE TO, I think I would still do it (but be very sad about it). If EJ is included, then the Minny Pick is absolutely off of the table. Kaman will have to be included in any trade (even with EJ) to make the numbers work. Oh, and Melo ABSOLUTELY has to sign an extension, before we give up EJ. Could we get by with that lineup?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2ev4ayo
Jordan
Griffin / Smith / Cook
Anthony / Gomes / Aminu
Butler / Blakely / Warren
Baron / Foye / Bledsoe
We would really need Charlotte to waive Dampier and hope that he signs with us, at that point. Maybe add Aminu and Chris Andersen in the trade, so that we at least have a little big depth, but I don’t know about that one. I doubt there’s any way the Nuggets say no to that, but it might be tough for the Clippers to say yes..
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2es8fmt
Maybe part of the deal could be to have the Nuggets buy out JR Smith, and have him sign with us..
Andersen / Jordan
Griffin / Smith / Cook
Anthony / Gomes
(JR Smith) / Butler / Warren
Baron / Foye / Bledsoe
The Los Angeles Nuggets! LOL
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I don't want Anderson his contract is crazy
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
I rather have neither
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
I don't want Smith, his brain is crazy.
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- Sam Cassell
For me, Griffin and Gordon are off limits.
Even for Melo. I would love to have a player of his talent on the team, but he has shown (along with his representatives) that he could demand a trade at any time. It’s not worth it to give up Gordon who is a young player with upside that brings it on both sides of the court and has the right attitude. As it stands, we’d have Gordon for 6-7 more years if we extend or re-sign him when he’s up for a new contract. We’d have Melo for about 4 more seasons with an extension at a much larger amount.
I would hate to give up the Minnesota pick, because it could very well end up being a top 5 pick. At the same time, it could end up like the Jazz pick from the Knicks. I would be pissed if we gave up Gordon instead of a Hayward-like player 2 years from now. To be honest, I’m perfectly fine with the direction the team is heading toward without Melo. If he goes to the Eastern Conference, then the Western Conference becomes a little easier for us. I think Aminu is going to surprise some people. We can keep our future picks and continue to build onto our young nucleus.
Yup...
Totally agree…plus even though you need a superstar to really win the championship, that superstar needs a supporting cast. LeBron couldnt get it done in Cleveland by himself and Kobe wasnt winning until they stole Gasol from Chris Wallace.
If we have to give up our 20 year old future all-star AND our 28 yo current all-star center for a 26 yo SF with only a 20 year old PF as his only wingman, this is not the recipe for success. Denver may not want melo to stay in the West but it ultimately is his choice because if he says “I wont sign an extension” then the deal dies.
So anyway, if we can get Melo for Kaman + one of our new rooks and maaaaaybe the Minny pick (although I’d be happier trading our pick lottery protected) then Im all for it. No go if it has to include EJ or BG….
"I want someone who will, you know, let me put it in or who [will] suck on it." – Donald Sterling
No!
Soul searching completed- I’m ready to join the majority. Insult my mother, threaten my genitals if you must, but you have my answer. Absolutely ixnay.
4 reasons. First, I’m not willing to give up two of our top four guys. Second, Melo is too expensive, even before giving up a chunk of our core. Third, there are alternative offers (I’m barely willing to offer Kaman + Aminu + the Minni pick, or Kaman + AFA + Bledsoe + our 2011 pick, but if the Nuggets turn them both down both, then they can go F themselves). And fourth, we have a long term plan, and we shouldn’t deviate unless an offer clearly merits it. I’d also say, with the new CBA, future opportunities such as this one may not come with such gi-normous contract figures.
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Disagree with their being a long term plan
I see no plan as of right now.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Sep 1, 2010 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I see where you're coming from, but it's either one of two things
Either the Clips are cheap bastards, in which case they won’t go for Carmelo anyways. Or they’re really not, in which case there’s an intentional youth movement afoot. I think you have a case for the first possibility… I too am pissed about our unused cap space along with the Cook signing. But there’s reason to believe the second as well… Look at our young players and our draft picks lined up. A month or two ago, KA was advocating that we play things conservatively, much as we’ve in fact done. So I’m inclined to side with the latter view, and to behave accordingly. In any case, the first view is really hopeless- one shouldn’t dwell in such a place too long.
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20+ years
long enough to dwell?
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Sep 1, 2010 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Eh, what's 3 more, among friends?
And if you twist my arm, I’d be willing to trade the Minni pick.
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I really really really dont want to give up EJ
like……really dont wannt do it. Thats all i can really say. He is loyal — TO THE CLIPPERS! he wants to be here, and Melo doesnt.
Kaman+Aminu+minny Pick is as far as I’d go, even for a "super"star like melo.
Yeah and EJ's success with team USA makes it to painful to approve of any trade with EJ
I think that the trade you listed should be enough, I won’t give any more other then maybe a second round pick or two. There is no need to create 2 holes to fill one.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
EJ with a great game vs. Tunisia 21 points (7-10 fg, 4-7 3pt)
USA is 5-0 in group B play now, and EJ has led team USA in scoring in two of those games.
EJ is also the second leading scorer on the team at 10.2 ppg.
Btw, this would be one of the worst moves ever by the Clippers organization to trade EJ on a rookie contract entering only his third year at the young age of 21. He is growing as a player this summer and it is surely going to translate over to his play in the NBA.
How is he growing as a player?
We already know he’s a very good scorer. We want to see him create offense for others and improve his rebounding. He won’t get the same looks in the NBA without Kevin Durant on the court.
FA in 2010.
That's a good question
Seems like we’ve been saying EJ’s a talented scorer and needs to improve other areas of his game…
I could see him growing in terms of confidence…
Maybe he’ll get the same looks with Griffin.
"Things change when something is taken away from you" -BG32
Not with Baron chucking up bad shots and missing them
Defenses will be tighter on EJ now and more loose on Baron or our 3 from long range. I love EJ, but he needs to get his rebound numbers up and other areas up quickly to be considered not worth trading for Carmelo. Gordon didn’t show improvements last year like we had hoped and international ball is a totally different game.
That's why we need an SF who can spread the floor
Gomes and Sool should be able to do that.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Not to mention Gomes has playmaking abilites which is something we haven't had in a SF in a long time
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
Sool didn't do it all that well last year
Especially to start off the season. I hope Gomes can help out but let’s be honest, people are going to focus more on EJ and leave Gomes a bit open. Hopefully can make teams pay and make them guard him, only time will tell but I’m hopeful. Having two of them challenging for the starting job should help too.
Didn't Dunleavy ask EJ to develop his post game?
Which Dunleavy then hardly utilized? I didn’t really understand that decision to begin with.
I actually think VDN might do the right thing here, as far as getting EJ to be more aggressive, move without the ball, rebound more, and put up more shots. Check one off for “Playing the right way.”
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He might have asked him to develop his post game, but did you see evidence that EJ possessed a post game that should have been utilized.
by Michael White on Sep 3, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
don't forget
that bigger guards would not be a good matchup for EJ in the post
Poor Dunny, all he knows is a post-up game.
Brand, Randolph, Kaman. Hell even Cat.
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's going down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Sep 3, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m fine with the post-up game if it’s there. Baron has a fantastic post up game which I want to see him use more.
It was an honest question regarding EJ, I don’t remember seeing him able to post somebody up like Baron can.
by Michael White on Sep 3, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't remember it, either
I suppose I can see the logic in trying, given EJ’s body type. But that’s not what I would have prioritized. You see, I can’t help feeling that Dunleavy didn’t push EJ in the most effective ways. My reasons are pretty standard, and perhaps they’re not entirely fair. After all, EJ had some injuries, and once Griffin went down, Kaman arguably was the next best option. But I still suspect that Dun could have squeezed more out of EJ last year. We should get something to compare it to this year.
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Sam Cassell
Was money in the post
by ChrisS.Oaks on Sep 3, 2010 4:29 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Sam I am.
Man we need someone to step up and bring that swagger that we
have been missing since Sam left.
Don't you think that
if Dunleavy knew how to get the most out of his players he would have had a better record?
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Sep 3, 2010 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions
He's not Adleman
but he’s also not as bad as Isiah.
"Things change when something is taken away from you" -BG32
The Clippers have Gomes
They’re all set at the 3.
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
Right?
and we also have Cook, set at 3,4 and 5. Do I hear finals MVP?
"Things change when something is taken away from you" -BG32
I think the results of this poll are pretty shocking...
I would have loved to see what the results of this poll would have been at the end of the season. I hope international play has turned EJ into a great player, but I fear that he will never have great hands or a truly great handle, and will never be a fourth quarter killer. I have personally been less than impressed with EJ’s performance in clutch situations. I think he’s fouled more opponents on three point shots in the waning seconds than made an actual shot himself. I’m sorry, and I don’t know why I feel the need to sour you all on Eric Gordon. He is good, I just think Carmelo is much better. As Clipper fans, we feel that EJ and Kaman and the Minnessota pick might be too much. Most Denver fans probably believe that it’s too little, and the true fair trade probably lies somewhere in between the two.
Also, for those of you who have never done it, going on other teams blogs and seeing the trades their fans propose and discuss is actually a pretty interesting thing to do. I’m always shocked at how highly some of them regard their own players, and how much they discount other team’s players, and I can’t help but imagine we do the same thing here.
Yay yay.
that's true back in denver i saw a couple
griffin,gordon and two picks.
Yeah they value Melo way more then what he is worth in a trade
Melo is not worth creating a hole in two positions in order to fill another. We would already be giving them Kaman, which creates a whole at the 5, but giving them Gordon would leave us weak at the 2 as well. Also Denver fans are going at it like they should be getting equal value for Melo, the thing is you don’t equal value for stars. They are going to get ripped off but I think the Kaman+ Aminu+ Mini pick is as close to fair as they are going to get. They aren’t going to get star power for their star, and should be happy with getting potential in Aminu and a proven all star in Kaman, not to mention probably the most valuable future pick in the league.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
It's not so much Melo as a player, but moreso the situation and surrounding circumstances.
Other teams aren’t really offering better deals than we are. Who else is able to give up a combination of an all-star big man, lottery player and a surefire lottery pick? Players like Gordon and Griffin are only 21 years old and can be with the team 10 more years and still be in their primes. Melo is represented by CAA, Leon Rose and influenced by Worldwide Wes. They’re trying to make a power move right now by forcing him out of the situation that he is currently in. Who is to say that they wouldn’t do that to the Clippers somewhere down the line? Those guys represent LeBron, Carmelo and Chris Paul. One of them switched teams earlier this summer and the other 2 have demanded trades in the last couple of months.
I’d rather give up as little as possible so that if it ends up being a bad situation for the both the Clips and Melo, we didn’t have to gut the team to get him. Melo is going to be the best player in any trade that he is involved in, it’s all about making wise decisions.
"Chris Kaman IS Black Sikma" - swamigusto
Players don't have that much leverage
and Melo can’t officially ask for a trade (see Chris Paul) or he’ll get fined. He only has leverage right now since he could walk after next season. If he burns bridges with his next team he’ll end up like T-Mac.
And duh, of course the Clippers would rather give up as little as possible for Melo, isn’t that the objective of every trade?
FA in 2010.
Melo has plenty of leverage on whether he'll agree to sign a max extension or not
to whatever team trades for him. Until he agrees to it, he’s not worth much as a 1 year rental. If Denver wants quality in return, they have to get this from him and there’s apparently only a few teams he’d sign the extension to, thus he has plenty of leverage.
I meant...
if he was traded to the Clippers, once he signs the extension he doesn’t have much leverage.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Sep 3, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Some players have been fined for “Public” trade requests/demands. Players can privately request to be traded, which would still be official. I doubt he would end up like T-Mac unless he were to get injured.
And duh, of course the Clippers would rather give up as little as possible for Melo, isn’t that the objective of every trade?
Is all of that really necessary? Come on man, you’re better than that.
You know what I meant. I already listed in my post what I would trade. If you think that is insufficient, so be it. If we add more or give up our future core players, then we’d be outbidding ourselves in terms of an offer imo. I would not give up Griffin or Gordon in a deal for Melo. Gordon would be about 25-26 and entering into his prime when Melo’s contract with us would be over. Melo may not have the threat of free-agency in his back pocket after extending with us, but he could still pull the same threats in a couple of seasons. I want to win just as much as the next fan, but I’ve been patient this long and am willing to be patient for a couple more seasons with what we’re building right now.
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Good post. I also wonder what the poll will look like a month into this season.
By then we’ll have a better idea how good our personnel is. As a fan, one of my biggest biases is to overestimate future improvement. Even as I’m aware of this tendency, I still think EJ is going to shine alongside Griffin. Well, it shouldn’t take too long to find out if this has any merit. And who knows, we may be having much the same discussion about a Melo trade come December 15th.
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I just think its not his value but more his character.
This guy seems like he has some serious character issues.
Would be excited to have Carmelo, but
also would be worried that he would leave in 3 years. While there is zero guarantee EJ would stay, he seems to be more in the durant persona where you feel more confident he’d stay for the long term. I personally don’t understand why Melo wants to leave Denver. They have had good teams and a good deal of success. Ownership (at least compared to our clippers) seems to be functional. If it’s the “market” reason, (getting wife hollywood exposure) or making movies for himself, that would be lame.
An immediate extension would be required for Denver to get a deal done with any team.
Nobody’s going to let Melo play one year for them and then go to New York.
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I thought about this and read a little here and ther I say keep EJ …He plays defence…rare breed…the game will be much easier fro him this year…As much as I like Melo, The Clippers actally look like a contender….Blake If he stays healthy) will be the rookie of the year..he’s a true beast….
EJ TRADE change of heart
I’ve changed my mind on this one(on one condition,3 years garrenteed) I had visions of Blake and Melo playing together. It would be insain I believe Blake is the truth,
There will be no delay, greatness will come quick, with Melo, wow.. And I think that will inspire Barron to step up, and play like he did before he became a clipper..EJ Kaman and the Min pick getter dun!!!
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