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Today's game against Iran and tomorrow's game against Tunisia barely count.  There's no chance either of those teams could beat Team USA, and after winning today, Team USA has already clinched first place in Group B.  It's almost as if it would be better not to play these games that amount to scrimmages.  Fran Fraschilla wants them to work on their half court offense, but instead they seem to be reinforcing all of their bad habits.  16 turnovers against Iran?  Really?

At any rate, what really matters is what happens AFTER the Tunisia game.  Team USA will get Friday, Saturday and Sunday off before playing their round of 16 game on Monday, Sept. 6th.  If indeed the group stage was like extended training camp for these guys as Coach K has said, let's hope they have some productive practices during those three days between games, because their half court sets could definitely use some work.

The real intrigue lies in who else will be in their 'bracket' (if we're looking at this like an NCAA tournament).  The first round opponent will likely be Angola after their win over Germany today.  So that's another walkover in the vein of Iran and Tunisia.  In fact, one wonders how Team USA will respond after three straight cream puffs when the games get serious again.  Because it could get serious as a heart attack in the quarter finals.

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If tomorrow's games go as one would expect based on rankings, the other two teams in Team USA's Sweet 16 bracket will be none other than Greece and Spain, the finalists in last year's European championships, the nemeses of Team USA in international competition, considered by many to be the two top teams in this tournament outside of the US.  Spain's lackluster performance in Turkey thus far, with losses to France and Lithuania in group play, has placed them solidly in third in Group D.  Meanwhile, tomorrow's showdown between Russia and Greece will determine who finishes second in Group C.  Team USA's bracket is made up of the first place team from Group B (that's US, the US), the fourth place team from Group A (likely Angola), the second place team from Group C (the winner of tomorrow's Greece-Russia match) and the third place team from Group D (probably Spain).

Now, bear in mind that strange things happen on the final day of pool play.  Neither Russia nor Greece really wants to end up playing the US in the quarterfinals - they'd rather delay that meeting a bit.  When you add in the fact that they'll likely be facing Spain in the round of 16, you now have a game that neither team wants to win.  There hasn't been a game where it was more important to lose since Clippers-Grizzlies in April 2006.  How each team goes about tanking that game will be interesting to see. 

Spain might also like to avoid this bracket of death, but it's less clear cut how they go about doing that.  Even if they tank and manage to lose to Canada tomorrow, they'd still need New Zealand to beat France in order to drop to fourth.  That's the only scenario I can come up with in which the Spaniards manage to get out of third in their group - they can't catch France in second (since France beat them head to head), but they can't drop below fourth either.  So they still might tank the Canada game as their only chance of avoiding Team USA's bracket.  Of course, if Spain does drop to 4th in their group, they would have to face host Turkey in the round of 16, so Spain is in a tough spot no matter how they go.  Spain also has the early game tomorrow, so they won't have the luxury of knowing what else happened.

The upshot of all of this is that there is a strong possibility that Team USA is going to see Spain in the quarterfinals next week, and a certainty that whatever team they see will be very talented.  After three easy games against Iran, Tunisia and Angola, it will be interesting to see if they are up to the challenge.

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freaking Spain

why couldn’t they just win their games? they’re like the celtics of fiba

by d2s4ui1 on Sep 1, 2010 3:49 PM PDT reply actions  

They did the same thing at EuroBasket

Lost a couple of pool play games, screwed up the brackets… and then crushed everyone in the knockout stage. Beware Spain. They have played poorly, but they know how to turn it on.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Sep 1, 2010 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Part of me wonders...

It’s a stretch, but similar to how they don’t like to show their hand (zone, pick & roll, etc) in exhibition games against the US, perhaps they are playing poorly as some sort of mind game to get us (and the rest of the participants) to let our guard down.

by Erik O on Sep 1, 2010 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Other "Important to Lose" examples?

Didn’t somebody need to lose shortly before the LBJ draft?

I barely remember Houston needing to beat Cleveland so that they could have the top two picks in the Ralph Sampson draft. They were the worst team, and the Cavs were 2nd, tied Indiana. It was the only game the whole year that mattered for them, but they lost anyway.

Still, I can’t think of other cases where a team had to lose in order to get better playoff position. The Clipper example was goofy and foreseeable.

"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT

by SilverClip on Sep 1, 2010 6:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Ah, maybe Garnet's Minni team should have lost their high seed

To avoid playing the Lakers

"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT

by SilverClip on Sep 1, 2010 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Greece Russia

This Greece Russia game is about as extreme as it gets. I mean, regardless of how badly Spain has played, the two favorites in this tournament are Spain and the US. Win, and you have to face them just to get to the final four. Lose, and you avoid them until the finals. It’s a no brainer. You HAVE to lose that game. It could literally be the difference between a silver medal and ‘out before the final 8’.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Sep 1, 2010 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL, now I really want to see it.

It would be something to witness if both teams overtly went on hiatus.

"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT

by SilverClip on Sep 1, 2010 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

HAHA, If one team fouls out all their players

do they have to forfeit?

The better team will be able to turn the ball over before the other team intentionally fouls them. Should make for an interesting game

by osamu on Sep 2, 2010 4:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

It’s like in Sgt. Bilko where they accidentally pay off both fighters to take a dive, they both dance around the ring for a minute or two and then fall over when one accidentaly bumps into the other.

by Michael White on Sep 2, 2010 7:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

LOL, again. I'll have to check it out.

"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT

by SilverClip on Sep 2, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

All these teams have a plan! A P-L-A-N. Plan!

"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's going down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.

by Gordon for President on Sep 2, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Various streams of the game

Don’t know if you get the game on TV in USA, otherwise here’s a couple of streams.

http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=85275&part=sports

by Marten on Sep 2, 2010 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

It is more a problem of the time of the game then it is the chanell

it is on ESPN so it is pretty easy to watch, but the problem is it is on at 6:30 am which makes it less desirable to watch live.

"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown

by bestclipfan on Sep 2, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

What a great game for EJ vs. Tunisia

Game high scorer with 21 points (7-10 fg, 4-7 3pt).

by NBAFAN8 on Sep 2, 2010 8:20 AM PDT reply actions  

Did you (or anybody) watch it?

From the box score looks like the jumper was obviously falling. With that being the case, I assume EJ could get to the basket whenever he wanted.

by Michael White on Sep 2, 2010 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

He was on fire in the second half and his defense was relentless with 3 steals.

I watched the game…EJ came in with the rest of the bench to start the 2nd quarter. He instantly got a layup and one. He then hit a 3pt from the right baseline. Later in the quarter he got a two handed dunk out of a half court set. He finished the 1st half with 8 points in 10 minutes.

EJ checked in at the 5 minute mark in the 3rd quarter. He got a couple steals and a two handed dunk off a steal. He then got a few good looks at 3pt and hit 3-5 attempts in the second half. EJ scored 13 points in 15 minutes in the 2nd half. EJ finished the game playing a team high 25 minutes, scoring a game high 21 points, and he had a game high 3 steals.

by NBAFAN8 on Sep 2, 2010 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah just finished watching it off my DVR

and EJ was amazing. He did everything, he rebounded, stole, made FT’s, and he got his 3 point shot going. Hopefully this propels him to being a key player in the knockout round.

"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown

by bestclipfan on Sep 2, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

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