Team USA Wins Gold in Turkey
A little over a month ago, as the team was practicing in New York in preparation for the World Championships, I wrote this about this very young and inexperienced version of Team USA:
[Kevin] Durant ... will be the star and leading scorer of the team. He'll be on the floor most of the time against good competition, and if the US is going to win a gold medal, it will be on Durant's back. He is the only go to player on the team - period.
Now, it didn't take a genius to see that Durant would need to play a big role for Team USA, but I doubt that anyone, myself included, anticipated quite how important he'd end up being.
Durant's overall numbers in the tournament itself are impressive enough: 22.8 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 56% shooting, 46% from three. But let's face it - although they had their toughest single match in group play against Brazil, their first place group finish was already assured by then. So it was the last three games of the knockout stage (after the Angola game), where the US really needed him. In those games, against quality opponents like Russia, Lithuania and the home team Turkey, in games where the dream is over if they don't win, Durant's production was otherworldly: 99 points in 114 minutes while increasing his level of efficiency. His effective field goal percentage over those last three games was almost 70%. And it's not like the other teams didn't know who he was - many of his points came against intense defensive pressure. He just was too good to stop.
Because of the lack of experience on this team, many people said that they weren't really the favorites going in. With due respect to Spain, that never made much sense. The level of talent, though clearly a step down from the 2008 Beijing Team, was still significantly above any other roster. However, in a single elimination tournament, strange things can happen, and the team has to be given credit for going out and winning by virtue of their hard work, and not just assuming they would win based on talent. That a team featuring six players 22 and under was able to face down their critics, handle the pressure, and win the first Worlds Gold Medal for the US since Kevin Johnson and Shawn Kemp and Joe Dumars in 1994 is quite a feat indeed.
Although Team USA lacked balance and teamwork on offense (shortcomings that Durant single-handedly negated), they won this tournament with defense. I myself was more than a little concerned about the lack of size on the roster, but the quickness that Coach K put on the floor completely neutralized any size issues. There were times in the Gold Medal match, where Semih Erden would get Lamar Odom on the block, and you'd think, "Why don't they do that every time?" Why? Because they couldn't. The Turkish guards would have loved to get the ball down low to Erden and Omer Asik, but they simply couldn't do it most of the time. Team USA's pressure wouldn't let them get to where they wanted, wouldn't let them make the entry pass. It looked simple the couple of times the big teams managed to do what they intended - but the point is, none of it was simple. At all.
It showed in the way Team USA tended to put things out of reach early in the fourth quarter of the important games. In the championship, they ran off 10 quick points on dunks and layups to begin the fourth - and if you watched closely, the Turkish players just couldn't keep up. Obviously the US enjoyed a speed adavantage throughout the game, but through sheer hustle and determination, the Turks would at least get back to stop breakaways at the start. In the fourth, after 30 minutes of intense pressure, the Turks broke, and suddenly Derrick Rose was running right past people, and Odom was five steps ahead of the exhausted Erden. It's worth noting that for all of the hand-wringing over this team, they never trailed in the second half of a knockout stage game, and maintained a double digit lead throughout the fourth quarters of those games. Even the 2008 team had some nervous moments versus Spain in the Gold Medal match - this team was never really challenged after the Brazil game.
Eric Gordon of the Clippers, after becoming a major force off the bench in the early games, struggled with his shot in the last three games. Just as Durant was turning it up, Gordon's shot suddenly deserted him: he was 3 for 16 from the quarterfinals on, and 3 for 12 from three. But to his credit, he justified his spot in the rotation nonetheless, playing outstanding defensive, and contributing more in other ways than he had previously. Defense rarely makes highlight reels, least of all 20 seconds of defense, but you will never see a more impressive single stretch of on ball defense than EJ displayed late in the first quarter of the Gold Medal match. He was draped all over two different Turkish players, through two switches, and never gave them an inch of space, collecting several deflections along the way and culminating in a block and a 24 second violation. It was amazing, and set the tone for the rest of the game. In the perception heavy NBA, where players are selected to the All Defense team because people think they play great defence and not necessarily because they actually do, a reputation as a defensive stopper can serve a player well. How many times did Bruce Bowen get away with things that would have been called a foul on any other player? EJ was a very good defender for the Clippers last season - if Sekou Smith and others are now noticing, so much the better.
In the end, Gordon was seventh on the team in minutes and fourth in scoring. He clearly earned his playing time not just by being a great shooter (even with his mini-slump, he made 19 of 42 threes in the tournament) but also by being a great defender and a reliable presence on the court. Not bad for a kid who was expected to be among the first cuts when this team first convened back in July.
A few other observations of the event that has been my basketball lifeline for the last month:
- Russell Westbrook is better than I thought he was. It seems impossible that in a league awash in athletic freaks, Westbrook is like a freak among freaks. He's so impossibly quick and explosive, it's hard to stop him. Yes, he gets out of control at times, and yes he turns the ball over a lot as a result. When he gets some of his issues in check, he's going to be an all star for a long time.
- Westbrook and Durant are an amazing big two in OKC right now. Those two may be enough, with a solid supporting cast around them, to turn the Thunder into an elite team. If James Harden or anyone else can legitmately become a great third banana there, watch out. And no, it's not Jeff Green, who doesn't really belong in the same sentence with Durant and Westbrook. It will be interesting to see what Presti does regarding Green's new contract. If he's as smart as I think he is, he'll let Green walk. (Clipper fans can hope that Blake Griffin and Gordon can form a similarly dynamic duo, but that's a long way from being reality with Griffin having yet to play his first game while Durant has already won a scoring title and a Worlds MVP. But we can still hope.)
- Derrick Rose, for all the talk of his improved range, still needs to work on his jump shot, a lot. He was only 5 for 18 from three in the tournament, but it's more what I saw watching him shoot than what I see in the box score that worries me. His mechanics are pretty badly flawed - he's got a hitch at the top of his jump, and he seems to shoot the ball coming down. He also shoots a very flat ball. The good news for Bulls fans is that all of these issues can be fixed, but you have to wonder why they haven't been fixed yet. There was a play in second half against Turkey that really showed what Rose needs to work on. He had the ball about 25 feet from the basket, with Ender Arslan playing so far off of him that he was literally standing in the key. Instead of taking the three, or even dribbling in and taking a wide open 12 footer, Rose decided to attack the lane, and charged into Arslan. He's got to be able to at least make the mid range jump shot, or defenders will play off him all the time and dare him to shoot. If he can actually develop three point range, watch out. (The other non-shooter, Westbrook, actually has pretty good mechanics, and may turn into a passable shooter at some point.)
- One concern for Team USA going into the Worlds was size, but Krzyzewski seemed to become more and more enamored of the small ball lineups as the tournament progressed. In the Gold Medal match, Lamar Odom played 26 minutes, while Tyson Chandler and Kevin Love combined to log only three. That means that the team played 11 minutes on Sunday with Kevin Durant (or Rudy Gay or Andre Iguodala, take your pick) as their 'center'. If you consider that both both KD and Iggy have played shooting guard in the NBA, you could say that Team USA was at times playing five guards against Turkey. It's an interesting approach, and begs a couple of questions: (1) if it's good enough for the World Championships, why don't more NBA teams do it? and (2) what will USA Basketball do in 2012 in London? In the end, although we thought that they had too few bigs on the roster, they may in fact have had too many. Of the four guys buried at the end of the bench, two were centers (Chandler and Love) and a third was 6'8" Danny Granger. Love in particular must be asking himself what he had to do to get more minutes. His per minute production was through the roof - he easily led the team in rebounds per minute, and was second only to Durant in points per minute, while shooting a great percentage. Yet he played only 12 minutes from the quarterfinals on. So you really can't even say that it was a lack of quality bigs that forced Coach K to go small - Love played great, but rarely got off the bench.
This obsession with small ball seems like playing with fire to me, but it's hard to argue with success. And with Kevin Durant on the team, you can experience a lot of success.
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Will the Clips sometimes go small-ball, I wonder
OKC has to be feeling all rosy right now. Durant was uber-awesome… feels like a defining tournament for him. Westbrook was also lights-out, way too much for most teams to handle. With Durant the team’s MVP, I might give Russell the runner up.
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Ah, except that Odom would be #2, IMO.
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Small ball could be an interesting idea for the clippers
Imagine this lineup
PG:Baron
SG:Gordon
SF:Gomes
PF:AFA
C:Griffin
Now that team could make some plays in transition.
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Again, what are they going to do every other time they have the ball (not in transition.)
Why would the team willingly play AFA at PF?
by Michael White on Sep 14, 2010 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Why would the team willingly play AFA at PF?
If Kaman gets injured, and our only other bigs are DJ and Cook, well…
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Maybe I’m splitting hairs, but wouldn’t that mean that injuries forced them to play AFA at PF, not that they are willingly doing it.
by Michael White on Sep 14, 2010 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah. I am with you about only doing it in a pinch.
Although I confess I’m a little curious to see it.
My main concern, of course, is that we’re thin at the 5.
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Yea
I was thinking about lineups with griffin at center. He might have to if the clips can’t find (or are unwilling to) sign another center. I think size wise, he’s almost as big as like an al horford, who, while undersized, handles himself alright downlow.
I think mostly this came up when I was thinking about if Bosh wanted to play in LA, but has stated he didn’t want to play center. We’d want to be able to put our best 5 guys on the court, and since Bosh didn’t come here, if AFA proves he needs to be on the court, and DJ doesn’t improve, maybe Griffin can still slide to center for short stretches. Or if we were able to trade for Melo, maybe we could play Melo at the 4, and Griffin at the 5?
Great post
Enjoyed all of it.
The Thunder are kind of an epic team in the making, no? Obviously, Durant is that good. And yes, he plays with Westbrook. Westbrook was electric and magnificent from the first moment he stepped on the floor at UCLA, when he was extremely young and raw, but as you say, a freak amongst freaks in the making at the time.
Nothing I enjoy more, I don’t think, than the Westbrook-Gordon comparisons, not to mention throwing in DRose and OJ Mayo. We had a lot of fun watching Gordon sneak up on people in his rookie season, joining the group, and it was fun to see the same thing happen, more or less, on this USA team.
Cause you know, one of the few guys who can go up against a player like Westbrook is Eric Gordon. Again, Gordon’s defense is an important factor in making him part of the conversation. And with the right teammates, Gordon can actually be more effective than Westbrook (if Gordon himself is slowing Westbrook down) because he’s an infinitely better shooter. Remember that if Westbrook is a freaky freak, Gordon is beefier and stronger and can throw his weight around and he’s an amazing athlete as well.
I guess that gets us to Durant and Blake Griffin. For a moment when you were mentioning Jeff Green I was thinking that they let him walk and try to sign Griffin and bring him back to Oklahoma in a few years. Since, you know, it’s the Clippers. But instead we get to see Griffin and Gordon match up against Durant and Westbrook.
The CLips need to try some small ball
It’s something the team has rarely tried…although Brand has played Center occasionally. Instead, we opt for the “large” lineup…bringing in a C like Marcus Camby, then having him play PF.
In the NBA, when you play Maggette at PF like the Warriors did for a while, people accuse you of playing Nellyball and write you off. Nonetheless, the Suns went deep with Boris Diaw as their Center, so anything can happen. Who cares if it can’t win championships…just let’s get to the Playoffs. Nonetheless, it would require long stretches of Ryan Gomes at PF and Blake at Center. It could work, playing Butler and Gomes at the same time is plenty of scoring.
This is going to be my team, and we're going to rise together.
-Clipper Darrell
I think the Warriors got written off because it doesn't work
As it most often doesn’t.
"To claim that you can simply watch a player and see his or her overall contribution to wins suggests that you believe your mind can do something that research suggests is difficult. Despite the limitations of personal observation, though, human beings still tend to believe the analysis based on this approach is correct. Such overconfidence can often cause people to ignore contradictory information." - Berri and Schmidt, Stumbling On Wins
"Hubris; H-U-B-R-I-S; Hubris" - Sean Salisbury.
This is one of the arguments I actually like when the board has.
I’m mostly with John R on this one, as I feel teams in the NBA need to be able to score and defend in the half court.
by Michael White on Sep 14, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm skeptical, too
But in a pinch, Griffin, Aminu, and Gomes wouldn’t exactly be puny. Especially if one of our bigs gets injured, I’d rather see these three than anything involving Cook. I’m curious if we’ll try it.
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Even if they could defend in the half court, if they are not causing turnovers and getting out in transition, how are they going to score? You would basically just be running an ISO for Baron all day long and kicking it to EJ or Gomes when appropriate.
by Michael White on Sep 14, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Sort of, and the team sucked.
I still contend that the best offense the team ran last year was the pick and pop game with Kaman and Baron. Running high-low entry passes from Camby to Kaman worked well too.
by Michael White on Sep 14, 2010 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I think that, that lineup could cause some TO's
Both AFA and Griffin are quick and strong defenders. AFA especially could really create havoc in the passing lanes with his length, which is what he did in college. I think that lineup could work, and would be worth testing in certain situations.
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But AFA would just get blown up playing on-ball defense, unless its against Rashard Lewis or something. Even still, I’d rather have Griffin on Shard or Aldridge with Kaman guarding Howard and Oden.
by Michael White on Sep 14, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I think there are instances
where a small ball lineup with BG at C could work. He’ll have trouble with guys like Howard and Bynum but like you said, that’s when you use Kaman or DJ. I’d be more concerned with BG getting into foul trouble than anything he’d give up defensively. The day of dominant post up centers have gone the way of the dodo.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Sep 14, 2010 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions
My concern is with AFA on the post-up PF not Griffin at C. Figure BG is the constant, you’d rather have BG and Kaman than BG and AFA.
Unless we’re just talking about some spots here or there to try something new, then it’s not a big deal.
by Michael White on Sep 15, 2010 7:52 AM PDT up reply actions
i think youd be better off...
Having sool, gomes, BG as your 3,4,5. AFA is long, but may not be strong enough to handle the 4 yet. And of course this is under the assumption that this lineup will be something like a 9 or 10 minutes per game scheme. Its something to experiment with bc BG has potential to be a great defender and he can run. Those would be the 2 requirements for that small ball style.
by indy818 on Sep 15, 2010 10:02 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Rather have Rhino in there
Maybe Gomes, Rhino and BG. Team would have to play some form of a zone but it would be interesting.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Sep 15, 2010 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
It's hard to know right now
I wouldn’t do it at all early in the season, but if Griffin has his post moves ready, along with Smith rotating in for one of the others, that might not be so ineffective. Mind you, I’d rather we sign another decent center, but this seems like a half-viable option.
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Agree
The Warriors are my second most-watched team, so I’ve seen how volatile small ball can be. You can beat the best teams with small ball, despite having very limited talent on the floor. Likewise, you can lose to the worst teams with small ball, despite having much more talented players on your team.
Small ball is only successful when it’s accompanied by good defense, which keeps the opponent on their heels. The 2007 Warriors swarmed the Dallas Mavericks incessantly, giving Dirk absolutely no room to work. Likewise, Team USA didn’t allow any of the international teams to set up their offensive sets. I watched the Warriors beat the Celtics last year because CJ Watson was an absolute monster on defense and Ronnie Turiaf wouldn’t let anyone get near the rim. I also watched them lose to a ton of other weak teams because they just tried to push the ball without ever trying to get a stop.
case in point - Dallas lost that series because they didn't have anyone in the post that could consistently abuse them
But if the defense can swarm properly
It can make life very hard for the Dwight Howards of the league. Especially Mr. Flippy.
yea
small ball can work if you’re small guys also rebound like big guys. If you can’t get boards, you’re not not going to win many games. You have to admit the “small” guys on team USA in Odom and Love are some of the best rebounding power forwards in the game.
Considering Griffin and AFA should both be excellent rebounders, it gives me some hope we could try this lineup if AFA proves he needs playing time. Griffin has also been compared to Amare and size wise, matches up pretty closely. Amare saw some good time at center, and hopefully will be able to defend the position much better than Amare would.
A question only Steve Perrin could answer.
If they were allowed to construct a team taking the best players from Greece, Turkey, Slovenia, Serbia, Croatia, Israel, Tunisia and Lebanon—- would that team be competive (like win 4 of ten matches) against Team USA?
Which team USA?
2008 or 2010?
"To claim that you can simply watch a player and see his or her overall contribution to wins suggests that you believe your mind can do something that research suggests is difficult. Despite the limitations of personal observation, though, human beings still tend to believe the analysis based on this approach is correct. Such overconfidence can often cause people to ignore contradictory information." - Berri and Schmidt, Stumbling On Wins
"Hubris; H-U-B-R-I-S; Hubris" - Sean Salisbury.
I think 2010 is much better defensively
And 2008 is much better offensively
I’d have to put that international team against the 2012 team, which will hopefully have the best of both worlds (i.e. less Carmelo, Boozer, and Bosh, and more guys who actually play defense).
I think 2010 is much better defensively
And 2008 is much better offensively
I’d have to put that international team against the 2012 team, which will hopefully have the best of both worlds (i.e. less Carmelo, Boozer, and Bosh, and more guys who actually play defense).
Guard play
This World Championship was a little thin on guard play – and Team USA was super tough in the back court. So it would be a tough matchup, even with an ‘all world’ team. Teodosic of Serbia was probably the best guard in this event – Spanoulis and Diamantidis of Greece are getting a little older and didn’t play great; Rubio was disappointing. Strangely, while there were lots of non-US NBA players in Turkey, I can only think of two guards currently on NBA rosters – Patty Mills and Goran Dragic. So if you were building a team from rosters in Turkey, no, I don’t think they’d be very competitive. We know more or less who the starters would be, since we know four from the all tournament team – Scola, Turkoglu, Kleisza and Teodosic. If you added Rubio or Dragic to that team, Team USA would still beat them in five if they played a best of seven. Obviously if you were including Dirk and Steve Nash and Manu and Pau it’s a completely different story.
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by Steve Perrin on Sep 14, 2010 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Right
a super team of Nash, Manu, Yao (healthy), Gasol and Dirk would be able to beat even the Redeem Team (after all Spain hung close in the Finals). Heck they might even be favored.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Sep 15, 2010 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Not sure about that
Favored? That’s doubtful. The advantage that international teams have vs. Team USA is familiarity. Spain didn’t hang with the Redeem Team based on talent alone, it was because they’re a unit that has played together for a while. And even with that the US won by 11, which isn’t a “close” game by normal standards.
If you threw together an international super team, you negate one of their biggest advantages – familiarity. Then it becomes a straight talent for talent comparison. And while that international team would be very good, the Redeem Team version of USA would still have 6 of the best players on either team (Lebron, Wade, Kobe, Howard, CP3 and Durant).
Redeem Team USA beats an International All-Star team 7 or 8 out of 10 times.
He turns 22 this month
Just a word of caution, its hard to improve significantly once you get to a certain point.
LBJ averaged 31.4 pts, 7 rebounds, 6.6 assists at 21.
Tracy McGrady averaged 27 pts, 7.5 rebounds, 4.6 assists at 21.
Point being when you reach elite status even a 10% improvement is tough. I expect teams to defend Durant a lot more physically this year like Ron Artest did during the playoffs. He’ll still go off on the weaker defensive teams but teams like the Spurs, Celtics, Lakers and Heat will make him work.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Sep 14, 2010 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
His numbers are high, for sure
But there is also certainly room for improvement. His passing ability doesn’t seem to be an issue in the open court after watching him in the FIBA tourney and he doesn’t come across as “selfish” either. I imagine his assists will increase as teams begin to throw double teams at him more consistently. This could very well be an MVP year for him…
The NBA is in a really good place right now…so many great story lines to follow.
Right
Danny Granger had all those consecutive +5ppg years, and then tapered off. On the same point, it’s not as if we’ll actually see anyone, even Durant, score 40ppg with the current level of team defense we’re seeing.
I hate to be the harbinger of bad news, but regarding Derrick Rose:
“…The good news for Bulls fans is that all of these issues can be fixed, but you have to wonder why they haven’t been fixed yet.”
You do know who coached him his first two years in the league…?
Damn you, harbinger
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to be optimistic
he did become one of the best young PGs in the league under him….
Bless you, bright portent
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I'm actually not sure I used "harbinger" correctly.
Can you be a harbinger and ask a question? Perhaps not.
harbinger
Since you were bringing bad news, I think you were more likely just the bearer… more common usage. Not that harbinger was wrong per se, but it seemed a tad overwrought.
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by Steve Perrin on Sep 14, 2010 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions
He was a bright young point guard BEFORE he came into the league.
He was GREAT in his one year in college. He destroyed guys. Has he gotten better?
but he didn't get worse, and turn into a bust.
haha, stop trying to be a debbie downer
Hey
They have to decide what he did or did not do before I can tell them they are wrong.
"To claim that you can simply watch a player and see his or her overall contribution to wins suggests that you believe your mind can do something that research suggests is difficult. Despite the limitations of personal observation, though, human beings still tend to believe the analysis based on this approach is correct. Such overconfidence can often cause people to ignore contradictory information." - Berri and Schmidt, Stumbling On Wins
"Hubris; H-U-B-R-I-S; Hubris" - Sean Salisbury.
YEAH, Vinnie didn't mess him up!!
which, errr, he couldn’t have done anyway. …not as a coach, at least.
So stop being a harbinger who asks questions! Man, you’re giving me a neck ache.
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;-)
I’m probably being a tad overwrought as well.
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Since I am the bearer of bad news...
I should balance my negative karma with the observation that Derrick Rose’s stats have improved over his two years in the league, and that Joakim Noah certainly improved in his time in the league. Of course, whether it’s the Mook’s influence is anyone’s guess.
If CN doesn’t like DelNegro, he will get all of the blame and none of the credit.
by Michael White on Sep 15, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
lol
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