Gordon Leads Team USA to Victory Over Tunisia
Let's not get too excited about a win over Tunisia. To be fair, it was more than a little embarrassing that Tunisia was still in the game, down only six, three minutes into the second half. Coach K's team was clearly flat, looking unmotivated on defense and undisciplined on offense.
In the first half, he played his five starters the entire first quarter, and his seven reserves the entire second quarter. Neither group did particularly well, holding just a six point halftime lead. In the third quarter, with the first unit still looking flat, he tried a new combination. He brought in Tyson Chandler, Russell Westbrook and Eric Gordon to play with his top two starters, Kevin Durant and Derrick Rose. From that point, the US outscored Tunisia 43-18 over the final 15 minutes to turn the game into the rout it was supposed to be from the beginning.
Gordon definitely helped to set the tone. Shortly after entering the game in the third, he got a steal and a dunk. Everyone will talk about his 21 points on 7 for 10 shooting, but it was his defense, with continual pressure, three steals and several other deflections, that will continue to get him significant minutes for this team.
At the conclusion of Group play, Gordon is Team USA's second leading scorer at 10.2 points per game. Think about that for a second. Eric Gordon, the guy no one thought would make the team, trails only Kevin Durant in scoring average for Team USA at the World Championships. When Gordon was the second leading scorer in the five exhibition games (also at 10.2 points per game, eerie), I think a lot of people viewed it as a bit of a fluke. Now it's becoming clear that it's no fluke, and that he provides instant offense that Team USA needs in this tournament.
Fran Fraschilla, the color commentator on ESPN's FIBA broadcasts and the designated international basektball guru for the worldwide leader, has been a proponent of EJ since the exhibition games. Many people didn't think that Gordon had any chance to make this team when tryouts opened in Las Vegas in July, and Fraschilla had something to say about that during today's broadcast:
I think it [skepticism about Gordon] was mainly because we don't see him enough playing quite frankly for the LA Clippers but when you look at his enormous talent you have to think that a tournament like this is going to propel him into an atmosphere with other young stars in the league like Rose and Durant.
Wow.
I'm just glad that someone else said that so that I don't have to face the accusations of being a shameless fanboy. Yes, we know that the Clippers, playing in the shadow of the Lakers, get overlooked. Will this experience playing for Team USA really move EJ into the upper echelon of young stars in the league? Obviously, he's not on the same level as Durant. But I've been arguing for two years that he's as good or better than O.J. Mayo and Russell Westbrook and in the conversation with Rose, despite the fact that those other guards from his draft class have gotten significantly more publicity. The simple fact is, with Team USA the only game in town right now, ESPN and others are FORCED to pay attention to what's going on, and they can see now that Gordon can play.
The risk is that he gets overhyped. There are still some major shortcomings in his game, specifically rebounding and playmaking. Hopefully he stays humble and continues to work hard to improve - and really, there's no reason that he shouldn't be able to get better in those areas.
It will be very interesting to see what happens in a close game in the knockout stage. Coach K was more than a little gunshy with his bench, both in the two point win over Brazil and in the exhibition win over Spain. In close games against top opponents, Krzyzewski has tended to ride his starters. However, it's not at all clear that that was a good strategy against Brazil. No, the bench wasn't very productive in that game - but then again, they only played 39 minutes total. Down the stretch, Odom looked exhausted, Billups missed some key shots, and Rose had a terrible turnover on a fast break. Gordon played only 5 minutes against Brazil, compared to a 5 game average of 18 minutes per. I think that Chris Sheridan's suggestion that maybe Gordon should start was tongue in cheek (boy has he come full circle on EJ), but it would certainly seem that he should continue to get significant burn, even in the close game. Maybe especially in the close games. Chauncey Billups has been frigid from deep (he's 4 for 19 in the tournament, and his 1 for 7 against Brazil was not helpful) while Gordon is leading the team with 11 threes in five games, while hitting 46%. Coupled that with his aggressive defense and his ability to finish at the rim and he's a terrific player and big asset to the team.
But of course, you already knew that, even if most of the country didn't.
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Gordon and Love should be the first players off the bench.
Coach K gets too much credit some times. Riding the starters makes NO sense, it’s not like he’s out there with Carmelo and LeBron.
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's going down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Sep 2, 2010 10:55 AM PDT reply actions
Fraschilla's comment is dead on...
I wrote this in an earlier post… Gordon’s success is inextricably linked to the Clips success this season (and beyond). Gordon is going to return as a far more complete, confident player and contributor to the team. VDN should be prepared to harness that for that it’s worth.
"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein
by Another son of Mike Smith on Sep 2, 2010 10:55 AM PDT reply actions
showing maturity at a very young age...
hopefully he can bring that defense intesity bact to L.A
I don't think Sheridan's comment was tongue in cheek.
He said the same thing in a second place — I’m not 100% sure but I believe it was during the Daily Dime Live chat on ESPN.com during the game. But he definitely said/wrote it at least twice.
"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein
by Another son of Mike Smith on Sep 2, 2010 11:00 AM PDT reply actions
Sheridan just tweeted the idea again!
“Team USA is moving on to the Round of 16 and will be seeing a lot of zone. Time to move E.Gordon into the starting five?”
"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein
by Another son of Mike Smith on Sep 2, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Steve, I like how you ended your post :-)
“But of course, you already knew that, even if most of the country didn’t”
Maybe the national media will start to give EJ his props and….maybe, just maybe EJ will get his name on the All-Star ballot, lol.
Great point about the ballot
Kaman and Gordon get snubbed on the ballot, Kaman makes the all star team and Gordon makes Team USA. So why didn’t the Clippers win more games?
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by Steve Perrin on Sep 2, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Well EJ was injured a lot last season and never got into a groove
so it is not like we were seeing this type of play from EJ last season.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
So why didn’t the Clippers win more games?
Very valid question SP. but with our new head coach and assisting coaches in place, that is the answer to the question, IMO.
by Pats fan in CA on Sep 2, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I see more wins this year
VDN and Blake Griffin along with the new additions (rookies and free agents) will make the Clippers a .500 team for sure.
I have them at 42-40 as of right now.
Wins will help next season, without Wins all is lost.
Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.
Just bring home the gold and the swagger will follow.
Its amazing what winning does to your ego. Besides Gordon has to prove to some of
the clips nation folks here that he’s better than average.
Lots of good stuff
Maybe save the discussion about the starting lineup for the other new thread.
Let me use this one to comment on Gordon’s rising publicity attention. This is all fun, and a great antidote to a vaguely disappointing sophomore season for Gordon. It takes us back to Gordon’s late-December/January rookie run, when we were watching him compete with Rose and Mayo, who were opening day starters, and his rise was tracking with Westbrook’s.
The interesting thing, though, especially on this team, is that Gordon’s “competition” isn’t Rose, or even Westbrook or Billups or Rondo or any of the other PGs, and it’s not even Curry. He’s the only legit 2 guard and he’s the best shooter, along with Curry, on the team. But that’s away from my point.
Which is that Gordon can be a great teammate and fill a crucial spot. He’s not well-designed to be the single focal point. He doesn’t handle the ball well enough, and that’s not the best and most efficient way for him to score points. But when a team has other weapons, like Derrick Rose and Kevin Durant, Gordon becomes a really strong player in the lineup, and his defense contributes too.
So why didn’t a team with Baron Davis and an extremely effective Chris Kaman not fare better with Gordon in the same lineup? We know, of course, that BD-EG-Butler-Camby-Kaman did pretty well actually. I think we just have to blame the general Clipper meltdown, and the absence of Blake Griffin, for the problem. But maybe the point is that the more weapons surrounding Gordon, the more effective he becomes. And of course that might be true for just about any player.
Hey wasn't that my point in the other thread?
Just kidding – it’s a good point.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Not just any player, I think...
There are guys who flourish when they don’t have to be the center of attention for the defense (ex: Odom). But there are guys who just can’t flourish unless they are the center of attention for the defense (ex: Iverson).
Surround Odom with a bunch of role players and ask him to be “the man,” and he becomes pretty mediocre. Surround him with a go-to guy, like Kobe, and a steady hand like Gasol, and Odom is the perfect 3rd-option. He can do so much, and when you take your eyes off of him, he beats you with a smooth layup. Odom is the right arm of the beast.
Surround Iverson with a bunch of scorers, and you get a team that can’t be consistent enough to win (like when he was on Denver). But if you put some roleplayers and defensive stoppers around him (like his Sixers, or what should have been his Bobcats) and suddenly he looks infinitely more effective. Iverson is the head of the beast.
Gordon, I think, is more like Odom. He doesn’t do well when there’s too much focus on him, primarily because (as you said) he has issues handling the ball and making decisions. That’s perfectly fine, though, and can make for a championship team. So if Gordon is our Odom, and Kaman (2.0) is our “steady hand” like Gasol, perhaps Blake can be our Kobe? We’d still need a true ballhandler, and the Golden State variation of Baron Davis certainly fits the bill, so hopefully he’ll grace us with his presence.
whats changed...
When Gordon was the successful “focal point” in high school and at IU? I don’t think he is the 3rd option as I do see him as the 2nd option, right now. However, I do see Kaman as that 3rd option
by Takebb909 on Sep 2, 2010 3:09 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
EJ in the same breath as Kaman?
Maybe if were talking about opposite directions the Clippers could take this season, otherwise EJ embodies the promise and Kaman the reality. EJ, talented, aggressive,hard working, Kaman over-rated, soft and inconsistent. I’ll put my eggs in Ej’s basket and hope that Kaman does too, otherwise we will all be basket cases once again falling for the promise the Clippers show and the reality that shows up at the Staples center.
Exactly what expectations did you have for Kaman?
Kaman is a borderline All-Star, 18.5 PPG 9.3Rb, 1.2Blk last yr. It’s safe to say that he has met all reasonable expectations made of him, both from Fans as well as Management, when the Clips drafted him behind Lebron, Wade, Bosh, etc. Did you expect him to be Shaq? Just because he is an Anglo-American and is “silly”, does not mean he is not tough. On the team, his defense is far superior to that of D Jordan, Craig Smith and others. I just want to know where and why you think he is overrrated? Expectations were never too high for Kaman in the first place. How is he inconsistant? He scored avg 18.5 PPG last yr! He never scored over 30Pts his whole career. That is consistant.
This is going to be my team, and we're going to rise together.
-Clipper Darrell
For what it's worth and where is John R when we need him?
For fans who love to dig into statistics check out http://dberri.wordpress.com/2010/09/01/who-was-the-most-overrated-in-2009-10/. It supports YW8’s assertion that Kaman is overrated. Using one approach, measuring NBA efficiency against wins produced, Kaman ranks #1 as the most over-rated player in the league. Using PER instead of efficiency, he ranks #4. IMO the Clips must build their offense around Gordon and Taylor with Baron and Kaman providing the veteran leadership and support.
John R, while I don’t agree with your opinion of EJ I’d appreciate your take on Kaman’s very good stats and very low wins produced.
Taylor?
I assume you mean Blake
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
How is he "overrated"?
I was talking about it the literal sense of the word, then you shoot a link regarding a stat that takes into account Personal Fouls (huh?)
You can IMO all you want, but there were times last yr when there were literally no one else on the floor that could creat their own shot. Did you want Bobby Brown or D Jordan shooting, or Kaman? That’s the problem with such stats, it doesn’t really take into account who is on the floor at the time. Sometimes Kaman was the only scorer on the floor. Somebody has to score the ball. Do you “trust” a stat that stats Dirk is wildly overrrated? I don’t think so. What is your solution then? More D Jordan? What was your expectation for Kaman?
This is going to be my team, and we're going to rise together.
-Clipper Darrell
incredibly dishonest semantic argument from Berri
To say that Chris Kaman has the largest discrepancy between NBA efficiency and wins produced might be a fact. To say that it means he’s overrated is intellectually dishonest. You might just as well so that he’s the most UNDERRATED player in the NBA when you compare how low he is on win score versus how high he is on NBA efficiency. To conclude that it means he’s overrated makes a value judgment that one measure is better than the other. We know that Berri likes his measure best, but we don’t have to buy into that or be deceived by these semantic games.
NBA efficiency is a terrible measure that no one takes particularly seriously. Kaman might be overvalued by his mom too, but what do I care about that?
On the other hand, I could make a pretty compelling argument that Chris Kaman was the most UNDERRATED player in the league last season. How? Well, whom are we talking about, that is rating players? Sportswriters and the public mainly, right? Well, Chris Kaman wasn’t even among the 10 names on the all star ballot for Western Conference Centers last season. Did he deserve to make the all star team? That’s debatable. Should he have been on the ballot? Of course he should have.
To call Kaman the most overrated player, or even overrated, is a bit ridiculous. To compare one measure to another and come up with a ranking based on that comparison is fine… (though it is funny that Berri is throwing PER into the discussion, when Berri usually spends his time eviscerating PER as an inadequate and inaccurate measure). But if you’re going to do that, call it what it is. Don’t pretend that it indicates who is overrated or underrated. He may have shown that NBA efficiency tends to overvalue Kaman… but so what? I might look at the same data and conclude that Win Score undervalues him.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
Good comments, all
I wasn’t taking a position on Kaman as much as I was asking those who follow Berri to help me understand the statistics. As I read Berri’s comments, he made it clear that overrated doesn’t necessarily translate to not any good. I’m a statistics geek but I also try to understand their limitations. Someone has said quite correctly that using statistics to value a player is just one more tool in the arsenal. Some have criticized Gordon as having a low PER for a SG. On PER it’s interesting to note that it favors gunners. As long as a player makes one of three FGAs, his PER goes up. The change in PER=2+0.4*1-0.7*3=0.3. So, 6 of 13 from the field is better than 5 of 10. Kind of crazy in my opinion.
Melo Fellow
The other interesting aspect of Gordon’s success on the national team is the potential impact on whatever discussions there may be between the Clippers and Nuggets about a possible trade for Carmelo. The tournament is very timely in raising Gordon’s value and strengthening the Clippers’ bargaining position, and hopefully making the Clippers front office want to hang on to him much more tightly. In my mind, Gordon and Griffin are the untouchable core of the Clippers’ future, and the more this tournament reinforces that, the better.
My thoughts exactly!
I was worried we’d try to trade EJ+pieces for Melo, but now that he’s gotten the attention he deserves, it’d look pretty stupid if we shipped out our up-and-coming star.
Consistency is my concern
Chris seems to be a great guy,he tries hard but just can’t seem to put together a consistently good effort. Chris has done well, received acknowledgment from the league,the owner and then disappears. Playing an outstanding first half won’t win games. Playing great for a couple games might get you played of the week recognition, but it won’t move you up in the standing unless you can do it consistently. I feel Chris’ All Star selection was a fluke, but maybe it will provide him with the motivation to bring it every night and the awareness that when his shot isn’t falling there are a lot of other things he can do to help us win, rather than sulk and hang his head. If Chris plays like an All Star (fan or coach’s FIRST selection ) this team goes to the playoffs.
No offense but that post is essentially nonsense
Did you even watch Kaman play last year? He was pretty consistent for much of the year. I really don’t care about the all star issue. He did not have a good system or team to play with him for much of the year and he still did pretty well.
Your post seems to be a rationalization of Berri’s rather silly article.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

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