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Do the Clippers have a better future than the Dodgers?

As the Dodgers season is winding down and the Clippers season is close to starting, a seemingly ridiculous question entered my mind. Do the Clippers, yes, the team with 2 winning seasons under their belt, have a better future than the Dodgers, who have heavily disappointed this season? Of course, one bad season alone would not warrant this question, but there are many factors to be explored here.

In April of 2010, the Dodgers started their season with much promise on the field but a harsh reality off the field, while the Clippers ended their season sourly on the court but encouraging in the offices. The impending divorce of owners Frank and Jamie McCourt hung a dark cloud over the best outfield in the majors when healthy, while the celebrated departure of Mike Dunleavy overshadowed a disappointing year from Eric Gordon and the injury of Blake Griffin. Center-fielder Matt Kemp, who was supposed to be embarking on a superstar season, was indeed spectacular until General Manager Ned Colletti singled him out on the radio for his poor defense. A Clippers GM has never singled out a player like this in recent memory, unless you count Dunleavy ripping on Elton Brand after he spurned Baron Davis and the Clippers during the 2008 free agency period. While Dunleavy revealed himself to be a competent GM, his controlling coaching style frustrated players and fans. Colletti has frustrated fans with the trading of star prospect Carlos Santana, the signing of Andruw Jones, Jason Schmidt, Juan Pierre, and his inability to trade for an ace - Dodger fans have watched on the sidelines as the Phillies have traded for Cliff Lee, Roy Halladay, and Roy Oswalt.

A big similarity between the two teams is the nucleus of young talent. While the Dodgers boast Matt Kemp, Andre Ethier, and James Loney, the Clippers flaunt Blake Griffin and Eric Gordon. All have their weaknesses, including Kemp’s defensive struggles and low batting average this year, Ethier inability to hit left handers, Loney’s lack of power needed at first base, Griffin’s injury, and Gordon’s lack of playmaking and rebounding ability. The Dodgers are hoping that newly signed prospect Zach Lee will lead stars Trayvon Robinson and Jerry Sands out of the minor league system, while the Clippers hope young draft picks Al-Farouq Aminu, Eric Bledsoe, Willie Warren, and Marqus Blakely will start a Oklahoma City Thunder-like youth movement.

Today, when we look at these teams, we can’t help but look at the ownership situations. When the McCourt’s divorce was revealed during the 2009 NLCS against the Phillies, Dodgers fans became scared. The biggest issue is always money. Was this the reason we traded Carlos Santana for Casey Blake? Is this why we didn’t trade for Roy Halladay or Cliff Lee? Meanwhile, Donald Sterling seemed to turn a corner by eventually firing Dunleavy, but then reassured all of us by suing him for a fraudulent contract. One glaring difference is the fact that the Dodgers are more than $430 million in debt, while the Clippers continue to make money despite their continuous losing seasons. 

In sports, every team needs a plan to succeed. For the past couple years, the Clippers have been planning for the future, while the Dodgers have been planning for the present. GM Dunleavy succeeded in trading the mammoth contract of Zach Randolph, loyal and fan favorite Marcus Camby, and one-dimensional Al Thornton for spare parts and cap-space, all for the summer of Lebron James, (perhaps now the summer of Carmelo Anthony) and for the looming CBA lockout. The Dodgers have ignored the future and looked only at the present. Indeed, the trade for Manny Ramirez was brilliant, but one overlooked factor was the deferred money he was promised in his contract. Deferred money has been a strange trend for the Blue Crew. Hilariously, the Dodgers will now be paying the current Chicago White Sox outfield (Juan Pierre, Andruw Jones, and Manny) for years to come. They are still paying for former Dodgers Nomar Garciaparra, Jason Schmidt, Randy Wolf, and Orlando Hudson. Besides deferring all this money to veterans, the Dodgers have disappointed at the trade deadline since signing Manny. They have seen aces get traded to an NL rival, while they have traded their young talent, including James McDonald and Blake DeWitt for a combination of Scott Podsednik (Juan Pierre-beta), Ted Lilly, Ryan Theriot, and Octavio Dotel. I admit the Ronny Belliard trade was a success, but the benching of Orlando Hudson in his favor during the playoffs leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

There are many similarities between past and present Clippers and Dodgers players. Zach Randolph and Andruw Jones were both brought in to help the offense. While Randolph contributed his expected 20 points and 10 rebounds, he couldn’t shed any pounds and his defense showed. Andruw Jones showed up to spring training camp overweight and batted .158 with 3 home runs during the season. In their next seasons, both with different teams, Randolph would be named to his first all-star team while Jones would bat .212, but with a much improved 17 home runs. Another similarity is what Sam Cassell and Manny Ramirez brought to their teams. Both brought a different type of leadership - Cassell a voice on the court and a jumper in crunch time type of leadership, and Manny a slugging doubles and home runs type of leadership. Each led their teams to the playoffs, winning in the first round but unable to get their teammates help to win a second series. Unfortunately, both would leave in similar fashion - toward the end of the season once their team had fallen out of contention to be penciled into the lineup of a contender.

Every summer, a Clippers fan expects big things the coming season, with new players and an optimistic formula. Most often than not we are disappointed because of a set of injuries and organizational disfunction. For a Dodgers fan, the playoffs are looming, and we hope we have enough firepower to make it to the World Series. There are certainly questions for the next Clippers season, such as worries about Blake Griffin’s health, Eric Gordon’s improvement, and whether or not Chris Kaman is really a 19 and 10 guy. However, there are much more uncertainties for the Dodgers. What is the ownership situation going to be like? Will Matt Kemp bounce back? Is Clayton Kershaw our ace? Who is our leader?

This summer has brought much hope to Clippers fans, as Eric Gordon has been the second leading scorer for Team USA in the World Basketball Championships, and Blake Griffin has been working out at 100%. Meanwhile, the Dodgers have traded away their young talent for a shot at the far distant playoffs and the McCourt divorce trials have begun. A lot hinges on the future. Will Joe Torre stay or leave? Will Vinny Del Negro silence his critics? There is a lot to think about, but I’ve been thinking a lot more positively about the Clippers these days.

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I'm hoping the Clips are like the Padres

Low budget, no expectations, but a team full of high-IQ winners. (Unfortunately, We’re in the worst losing streak in over a year right now…)

by losbolts on Sep 2, 2010 8:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Um

Dodgers are still over .500. That would be better than 90% of Clipper seasons.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Sep 2, 2010 8:49 PM PDT reply actions  

i was a Dodger fan before i was a Clipper fan

I gotta say im worried bout the azul…in a dream world, theyd be forced to sell and mark cuban would be waiting…

by indy818 on Sep 2, 2010 9:58 PM PDT reply actions  

As a Dodger blogger who currently enjoys access, I can’t say I’m really wishing for Cuban.

by Michael White on Sep 3, 2010 7:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Still better than being stuck in a bitter divorce

I don’t think either McCourt can afford to own the Dodgers outright after they split their assets.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Sep 3, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Probably....

Until the team is sold to someone who decides to move the team to Seattle.

by Michael White on Sep 3, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Mrs. Sterling must really love the Donald...

if she’s been willing to stick with him after all the sexual harassment lawsuits, and that whole episode with Alexandra Castro.

by Shawn H on Sep 10, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Greed is good

pretty sure its his money. Probably thinks of the call girls as doing the unpleasant house work.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Sep 10, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Far from

People don’t mind joining the Dodgers. When you think of Dodgers, you think of Vin Scully, Jackie Robinson, Fernando Valenzuela, Sandy Koufax, all the greats. When you think of Clippers…well.. the only real thing that comes in mind for non-Clipper fans would be the current Clipper roster and the name Sterling associated next to it. Of course that’s the past.

The thing with the Dodgers were that they started off strong, but came out empty. I remember when Matt Kemp was blazing hot, Ethier and Looney both looked like another potentiall all star candidate, Kuroda was doing a great job, Bronxton was closing games. Games were perfect. But then Bam, there goes Manny. Down goes Kemp. Down goes Ethier. Down goes Looney. Down goes Martin.

I like the current Dodgers team alot. I believe they can do great things when healthy as a whole. With the Clippers though, they’re still a very young team. Its still unclear whether they’re too young to make a splash this season or not, but the Dodgers atleast have shown that they can hang with the best when healthy.

"Things change when something is taken away from you" -BG32

by JackduhSun on Sep 2, 2010 10:52 PM PDT reply actions  

Btw,

I’d be curious for mwhites reponse.

I hadn’t watched baseball for a long time until about the second half of this season.

"Things change when something is taken away from you" -BG32

by JackduhSun on Sep 2, 2010 10:52 PM PDT reply actions  

In that case, I’ll respond here.

It’s a great fanpost, but I’d have to say the Dodgers are still better positioned for the future. While McCourt has his issues, he’s proven quite competent as an owner. The club advanced to the NLCS the past 2 seasons after not having won a playoff series since 1988. McCourt’s ownership has been much more successful than his predecessor and suffice it to say blows Sterling’s record out of the water. I’m not as concerned about the Dodgers ownership issues as others. He won’t sell the team and he’s only 2 years away from windfall profits when he gets the broadcast rights away from Fox. To settle up with Jamie, I expect Frank will have to take on some investors to pay her out and recapitalize the team, but he’ll stay the owner.

As for the Clippers, we’ve been down this road before. Sure, the young talent looks great, but as we discussed the other day, does it really look more promising than when Lamar, EB, et al were coming up? Clippers management from owner on down is a complete wildcard. They could go back to the “bad old days” where they become in jeopardy of failling under the minimum salary cap. While I’m hoping for the best with LAC, I’m not sure why I should think things will be different this time around. Obviously I hope I’m wrong, but we’ll need to see some signs of a turnaround before the Clippers can be compared to the Dodgers.

by Michael White on Sep 3, 2010 7:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

It would be ironic to see them falling into the old pattern after spending

so much cash on a state of the art practice facility.

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Sep 3, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

youre right

Comparing the dodgers and clippers, even at this particular period, isn’t close. The dodgers have been one of the greatest teams throughout history. They developed the modern farm system, help break the color barrier giving way to one of the greatest players ever, and they have won multiple championships (even though the last one was in 1988).

But there are some similarities in fan sentiment. The Dodgers, the boys of summer, the bums, were always outmatched and outgunned when it came time to play with that other team from the bronx. Dodger fans have always had a chip on their shoulder, just like us Clipper lunatics. The separation comes where great players defied the odds and put together unforgettable performances when it mattered. Think Kurt Gibson – we’ve all seen that highlight (I was 2 when that happened)

by indy818 on Sep 3, 2010 12:37 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Cool comparison...

I just want them both to KICK ASS… I love them both

by ChrisS.Oaks on Sep 2, 2010 11:04 PM PDT reply actions  

Ownership is both of these franchise's problem.

One owner is posing that he really has money and doesn’t have it to bring in real players
and the other has the money but never wanted to spend it. These two franchises need
real passionate owners that really believe in winning in order to succeed.

by ENCUEROMAN on Sep 3, 2010 12:53 PM PDT reply actions  

what are the plans after sterling?

Does he have kids? are they involved with the Clippers? If something happened to jerry buss i think the team would stay with the buss family as they are involved in all the lakers business and the same thing just happened with the yankees when steinbrenner died. what is the future of the clips if something happens to DTS i cant see his wife giving a damn about this team do his kids?

by ImranQ on Sep 5, 2010 11:28 AM PDT reply actions  

Team will be sold.

LOS ANGELES ANGELS . . . ANAHEIM DUCKS . . . CALIFORNIA GOLDEN BEARS

by AndyHogan14 on Sep 15, 2010 2:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

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