Hmm - Houston aggressively pursuing Melo
And they are willing to trade Kevin Martin and draft picks. For those of you who like to gauge what should be done based on what Morey does, and for those of you who may be hesitant to grab Melo (at the right price), this is quite telling.
I've always thought that Melo would be a great asset to the Clippers. I hope they are doing what they can to get him.
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Martin is an older less good version of Carmelo. They would have to make it rain with draft picks in order for Denver to consider it a fair deal (IMO.)
I am not sure about that
Kevin is a pretty good player. If the Nugs are going to lose Melo for sure, he’s not a bad replacement for the next few years while they figure out what they are doing. He is injury prone however.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
One big factor is cost
Martin is already locked into a deal, one in which he makes substantially less than Melo (3 years/36 million).
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Sep 21, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Ah Rumors
It feels like just yesterday we were being told that every move the Clippers made this summer was to be ready to trade for Carmelo.
"To claim that you can simply watch a player and see his or her overall contribution to wins suggests that you believe your mind can do something that research suggests is difficult. Despite the limitations of personal observation, though, human beings still tend to believe the analysis based on this approach is correct. Such overconfidence can often cause people to ignore contradictory information." - Berri and Schmidt, Stumbling On Wins
"Hubris; H-U-B-R-I-S; Hubris" - Sean Salisbury.
Ralph Lawler's words after the Carmelo rumors started
Passed through the filter of the citizenry.
"To claim that you can simply watch a player and see his or her overall contribution to wins suggests that you believe your mind can do something that research suggests is difficult. Despite the limitations of personal observation, though, human beings still tend to believe the analysis based on this approach is correct. Such overconfidence can often cause people to ignore contradictory information." - Berri and Schmidt, Stumbling On Wins
"Hubris; H-U-B-R-I-S; Hubris" - Sean Salisbury.
I took the comment completely different..
As in we were shooting for Lebron, but Melo would be a contingency plan.
by Newton Pham on Sep 21, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, if it's not just a rumor...
then the same logic that applies to Kaman ought to apply to Martin. Neither have expiring contracts (Martin has three years left, while Kaman only has two), and neither fill a position of particular need. Martin may be better than either Afflalo or Smith, but likewise Kaman could merely push Nene over to PF, and the Nuggets currently have a couple injuries in the front court.
My point is that if the Nuggets are OK acquiring Martin, then maybe they’d have interest in Kaman as well.
"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT
That's right, and if the article is correct . . .
it suggests that Morey and Houston have serious interest in Melo. One citizen (who has posted twice in this thread so far) has used Houston’s lack of interest in players or moves as a reason to bash our new FO this summer and has suggested that we shouldn’t be interested in Melo.
Well, Houston now seems to be interested in Melo and in giving up a significant player that they had been chasing for years to get him. This would seem to validate my gut reaction to the possibility of obtaining Melo which was that he’d help our team. I’m not sure who we should trade for him, but I do think we should do what we can to land him for the right price. Houston apparently would.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Apples to Oranges
Houston including Yao or Scola in a deal for Melo might be a comparison with the Clips trading Kaman. KMart and a draft pick is a lowball offer, and even I would agree Houston would be getting the better end of that deal.
Kaman would be much more difficult for the Clippers to replace than KMart would be for Houston. KMart is even more of a one dimensional player than Melo, and Melo would immediately replace him as lead scorer. Courtney Lee and Battier would be better fits than KMart. I’d even go as far as saying that Houston would need to get rid of KMart in order to bring in Melo. Both are expensive, and neither plays defense.
Good point
KMart is replaced by Melo. Both would be the primary scorers for Houston.
Melo isn’t a “one dimensional player.” That’s just not the case. Just look at the stats.
Melo for Kaman is a significant net gain for the Clippers in my view. Melo would be the focal point of our offense. We do not really have a focal point. now ,unlike Houston with KMart. I would argue that the Clippers gain more then Houston would.
We would have BG and DJ down low (yes DJ’s not the best), and we wouldn’t need Kaman’s scoring or boards any longer. We can find a better big, albeit one not as good as Kaman most likely.
Got to give something up to get something.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
We would have a huge problem on the defensive end, and DJ has to be considered unreliable at this point.
I would still do it though. You’d just have to deal with DJ at center for a year and reload the Center spot going forward with cap exceptions.
As for Melo not being a one dimensional player, he’s not. He’s a better passer and rebounder than Martin. I agree with ClipCat, that’s a low-ball offer from Houston.
by Michael White on Sep 21, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Sort of agree
Melo seems a very logical fit for Houston, especially if they can hold onto their frontcourt. If Denver bites on this deal, Houston would be picking up Melo without opening up any holes at other positions. They would be in a situation to maximize his value since they don’t really have other volume shooters and could cover Melo’s defensive inadequacies as well as anyone. Melo would ultimately replace Tracy McGrady both as a scorer and co-face of the franchise.
The Clippers would be a totally different situation. Melo would certainly be the focal point of the offense, but I’m not convinced that’s what the Clips need. The team as it stands today should be very balanced on offense with plenty of scoring options. They just need to utilize all those tools while avoiding the stale, predictable offense Dunleavy mandated and the selfish, chaotic offense they played at the end of the season. It will probably take some time for their offense to gel, but I’m optimistic they’ll get there so long as they stay reasonably healthy.
Well said
We appear designed for a balanced inside-out offense, at least when we’re in the half court. Say what you will of Gomes, but much of his game seems like a good fit for us. Anthony, though, would be something altogether different. Maybe it would work, but it would feel like an abrupt left turn.
I doubt the Houston deal comes to anything, though. Denver doesn’t want to trade Melo to a conference rival, and the deal isn’t attractive enough as it stands. Despite what Broussard twitters (below), I think NJ wins out and Melo cooperates.
"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT
I agree (at least to the extent that current trade rumors are accurate). New Jersey seems to have the most to offer Denver, and the location seems to fit what Anthony wants. Somehow they need to get rid of Outlaw in the deal.
Chicago seems like a good possibility, too, if they are willing to give up more than Deng and bench players. Their reported refusal to include Noah in trade is an interesting parallel to judge Kaman’s trade value. The whole market for Melo seems pretty weak so far, and this whole melodrama may drag on a lot longer.
Broussard - Melo won't sign an extension with NJ
Twitter Broussard:
“Neither NJ or Den been told Melo will re-sign w/NJ. Until then, Melo-to-NJ all speculation. One exec told me Melo won’t sign w/NJ.”
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Interesting. Where exactly does this guy want to go?
He should just come out and say he wants to go to the Clippers.
by Michael White on Sep 21, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Clearly that's the case - he should just admit he loves Sterling and be done with it
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
New York Knicks
Except NY doesn’t have any trade chips that Denver wants. It’s looking more like Melo will play out the year, and then take his talents to the Big Apple.
by Polish Rifle on Sep 21, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Too risky
A injury, bad year or the pending CBA negotiations could cost Melo a huge sum of money. He’ll want to lock in a deal now.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Sep 21, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, he'd probably lose major $ that way (even if he stays healthy)
I’m suddenly a little baffled about what he’s gonna do. He wants to go to particular places, but he doesn’t seem to be thinking about cap realities.
I wouldn’t be too surprised to see him throw up his hands and sign back with Denver. I also wouldn’t be surprised to hear our name mentioned eventually… Unless we’ve already made it clear we’re not interested.
"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT
Its inevitable the Clippers will get mentioned at some point
if the Nuggets are serious about trading Melo before the season starts they need to build up a frenzy now. Nothing like using the old sad-sack Clippers to help drive up the value. The Clippers should hold strong with a deal of Kaman, AFA, Bledsoe and the 2011 draft pick. I think that’s a solid haul for the Nuggets if they want to rebuild. The Minnesota pick should be a deal breaker, I’m already penciling Austin Rivers into the 2012-2013 roster.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Sep 21, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
disagree i think the minny pick shouldn't be the deal breaker
gordon should.. kaman,aminu,minny seems fair to me would be thrilled if its bledsoe and the 2011 instead of minny.
At this point I don't want to give up our 2012 Minny pick, even if it's the difference maker.
That draft should be stacked, since some potential prospects from the 2011 draft could opt to wait a year and avoid uncertainty. 2012 already had some very nice players and the lockout should make it that much deeper. Drummond, Rivers, Gilchrist, McAdoo & Miller are just a few of the players that would be exciting to see on the Clippers.
"Chris Kaman IS Black Sikma" - swamigusto
by Lawler 4ever on Sep 21, 2010 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Good point
Strange to be suddenly be cheering for CBA trouble. I guess it’ll be best for us if they resolve it the last minute, post-draft. That’s not too unlikely, either.
"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT
Oh man
I didn’t even think about that. Yeah, that makes sense that players would want to wait out the lockout year… that’s kind of awesome. I just started liking that 2012 pick even more. Still worried about Beasley finding his game and being as good as he was in college, but as long as David Khan is in power, I think we’re safe on that pick being a lock.
"Insanity is often the logic of an accurate mind overtaxed."
-Oliver Wendell Holmes
I'm from NJ actually - they really are the Clippers of the East
No respect, terrible tragedies, plays in the shadow of a historic franchise.
Aren't we really talking about Brooklyn in a year or so?
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
im actually surprised they werent able to attract any big names
The new owner seems dedicated, the new location will be an improvement, and they have some good players. If I were a free agent and was choosing objectively bw the clips and nets, the donald sterling variable would probably lean me towards the nets.
by indy818 on Sep 21, 2010 12:11 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I was just in new york and they are cleaning up Brooklyn really nice.
In theses days Brooklyn is the new Manhattan so going to Brooklyn will be better than
playing in New Jersey. Also with the Nets is the same as the Clippers just win and
they can take the city away from the Knicks since they haven’t done much either.
Clippers chances...
So if Melo won’t re-sign with NJ then he probably wouldn’t resign with the Clippers, right? I don’t see anything that the Clips could offer to Melo that is way more enticing then the Nets. If the Clippers were really after him wouldn’t we have seen some “rumors” in the past couple of days or in the next few days. If not then I don’t think the Clips are in the running for Melo..
We're a lot more attractive than the Nets, IMO
especially since NJ would have to include Murphy and probably Favors. Look at who Melo would be playing with on either club.
I’d actually be surprised to hear our team’s name mentioned so early on. The Clippers don’t make good headlines, and our FO tends to be secretive.
"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT
Agreed.. but there's still the Sterling Effect
The Clippers would have a better team on the court for Carmelo then the Nets if a trade went through, but I just can’t see a player of Melo’s caliber willingly attaching himself to Sterling for the next 5 years. If the Clippers come up in trade talks over the next few weeks I expect the same treatment the Nets got… “Melo wil not re-sign with the Clippers”
I hope I’m wrong…
"The Sterling Effect"
It’s like The Butterfly Effect, but more racist and with leathery skin.
"Insanity is often the logic of an accurate mind overtaxed."
-Oliver Wendell Holmes
When Melo says he wants to go to the Knicks
I have to surmise that the issue for him is about location, more so than contending for a title. Amare and Melo would be formidable, but first the Knicks would have to trade everything they have and more to pull it off. And with the new CBA, I doubt the Knicks would have any significant wiggle room to sign anyone else decent, much less someone of CP3’s caliber. So this seems to be about living in New York City, more than anything else.
But if that’s right, then why on earth would Melo want to go to Houston? Are you kidding me?!? If New Jersey is a cultural dustbin, then Houston is lifeless marsh-pit. Nevertheless, I think I recall that the Rockets were one of his choices.
So maybe this about contending after all… But then why would Melo want to go to the Knicks? Something isn’t adding up here.
"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT
Also if he does care about location
the clippers would make sense, with his wife being a reality TV star and all. They could even rename the show Lala in lala land (unless that is the name of the show already).
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
They'd probably do something like this:
LALA
A
And then I would have to shoot myself in the face.
"Insanity is often the logic of an accurate mind overtaxed."
-Oliver Wendell Holmes
Shoot me first, please
"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT
We'll play Russian Roulette with 2 bullets
That way everyone wins :)
"Insanity is often the logic of an accurate mind overtaxed."
-Oliver Wendell Holmes
I've been to Houston a few times
it’s even more of a sprawl than LA but its also the 4th biggest city in the US. The state of Texas as a whole is in much better shape than the rest of the country. That said Houston was pretty much like the OC, tons of strip malls and chain restaurants, Austin was a great city though.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Sep 21, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
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