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The Real Problem With Donald Sterling

Clippers owner Donald Sterling has been in the news a lot this year, and as usual, it's for all the wrong reasons. He's currently engaged in legal wranglings with former Clippers General Manager Elgin Baylor as well as former coach/GM Mike Dunleavy Sr. It also became public a few weeks ago that DTS has been heckling his own players - most notably Baron Davis - from his courtside seat at Staples Center. The guy is definitely a piece of work.

But although I am no fan of Sterling, and willing and even eager to criticize him at most any opportunity, the latest allegations from Baylor's lawsuit leave me unimpressed. I've never felt that Baylor had much of a case here - seems hard to make a racism case when the Clippers employed Baylor for 23 years, during a time when the overwhelming majority of front officie executives were white. Did Sterling not realize Baylor was African American until 2007? The team's performance during those years - only twice during Baylor's tenure did they finish with a winning record - would seem to be more than reason enough to make a change.

Star-divide

Ageism? Yeah, maybe I guess. Again, there were plenty of reasons that he should have lost his job, and the winning percentage would seem to take precedence over the guy's age. As for the fact that Baylor hadn't gotten a raise in years, given that he shouldn't have kept the job nearly as long as he did, not getting a raise seems secondary.

Some of the specifics from Baylor's court documents, as first reported last week by J.A. Adande, are certainly disturbing - Sterling's alleged habit of bringing women into the locker room to admire the "beautiful black bodies" is just plain creepy. But if the intent was to establish a pattern of racism, I don't believe that they succeeded.

In particular, let's look at this statement from Baylor's filings:

Because of the Clippers unwillingness to fairly compensate African-American players we lost a lot of good talent, including Danny Manning, Charles Smith, Michael Cage, Ron Harper, Dominique Wilkins, [Corey] Maggette and others.

It's a bit of a strange list of names to begin with. Cage didn't leave as a free agent, but was traded for Gary Grant and a first round pick - not a terrible trade. Danny Manning was traded FOR Dominque Wilkins, so clearly you can't use both of them as examples of African-American players lost - they could have only kept one of them. As for Maggette,although he did eventually leave, he re-signed with the Clippers in 2003 to one of the most lucrative deals the team has ever paid out, so he's hardly a good example of the organization's unfair treatment of African-American players.

More to the point, for this statement to have any resonance, one would have to show a corresponding pattern of PAYING white players. By my reckoning, in the 30 years since Sterling bought the team, they've re-signed a grand total of six players to multi year contracts - Loy Vaught, Eric Piatkowski, Maggette, Elton Brand, Chris Kaman and Sam Cassell. Now two of those six are white, and I suppose you could argue that given the percentage of African American players in the league, it indicates a preference for white players. But let's face it, the real story there is that only six players have re-signed. Six! In 30 years! Among the white players that left the team were Tom Chambers, Brent Barry and Joe Wolf

Furthermore, although the team has a terrible record of signing outside free agents, all of their more recent free agent acquistions have been black: Cuttino Mobley, Tim Thomas, Baron Davis, Ryan Gomes, Randy Foye, etc. In 2006, the Clippers signed Thomas (black) to replace Vladimir Radmanovic (white). Why? Because Radmanovic got an offer from the Lakers that the Clippers were unwilling to meet and Thomas was a less expensive alternative.

And that's the crux of the matter as concerns Donald Sterling and the Clippers. First and foremost, he's cheap. And the simple fact is, there's no law against being cheap.

Is Sterling a racist? He may well be, but there's more evidence of racism in his housing practices than in his dealings with Baylor or the Clippers. As an NBA owner, he's just been unwilling to spend money. And for those of you waiting for David Stern to step in and reprimand him, or even force him to sell the team, I just don't think it's happening. Stern is heavy-handed enough, but if Sterling's biggest sin as an NBA owner is being fiscally conservative, that's the kind of guy Stern wants on his side going into a new contract negotiation.

But I can't help thinking about March of last year. When the Clippers unceremoniously relieved Dunleavy of his GM duties a month after he had stepped down as coach, the whole affair had a surreal quality. Like for instance how it was announced during halftime of the team's game in Orlando and was a surprise to the players and the coach. Then there was the press release announcing his dismissal. Among other strangeness, the announcement included this tidbit:

The Clippers want to win now. This transition, in conjunction with a full commitment to dedicate unlimited resources, is designed to accomplish that objective.

A full commitment to dedicate unlimited resources. Let's follow up on that, shall we? Since that time, the Clippers have:

  • Made Assistant GM Neil Olshey the General Manager;
  • Hired Vinny Del Negro as head coach, fired by Chicago after just two seasons and presumably one of the less pricey candidates on the market given that the Bulls are still paying him;
  • Used their $17M in cap space to sign free agents Ryan Gomes, Randy Foye and Brian Cook;
  • Entered the season about $5M under the salary cap, with a payroll that ranks 27th out of 30 teams.

Now, don't get me wrong. I think Olshey has done a fine job so far, and Del Negro may end up being a decent choice as well. But in each case, these were inexpensive hires as compared to what was available. As for free agency, given that LeBron James was never a realisitc target, it would have been far worse to overspend on guys like Joe Johnson or Rudy Gay than to go the value route with Gomes and Foye.Then again, there's no reason to be under the cap if they don't end up using the space to facilitate a trade before February's deadline. Nothing the organization has done since March - nothing, not one damn thing - says "full commitment to unlimited resources." Rather, as always, it all screams "full commitment to turning a profit." That statement seemed bizarre at the time - and in retrospect, it's completely ludicrous.

While I was sick this weekend, I was lying on the couch with the remote in my hand and I came across Major League. I hadn't seen it in years, and was never a big fan, but it's relevance to the Clippers was something that had been percolating in the back of my brain since the heckling incident. If you'll recall, in the movie the owner of the Cleveland Indians wants to move the team to Miami and does everything she can to ensure they'll lose and draw poorly so that she can justify the move. Instead, the team bonds together and makes an improbable pennant run just to spite her.

It's hard not to notice how well Baron has played since the heckling story broke. Before the story came out, Baron had scored in double figures just twice in ten games. In the eleven games since, he's been in double figures seven times. More importantly, the team has won seven of those games. Is it so difficult to imagine this young, cohesive Clippers team takiing a "We'll show that cheap bastard" attitude and getting a little extra motivated to win, a la Major League? Let's just hope they don't have a cardboard cutout of him in the locker room that they're disrobing one win at a time.

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Also, not to defend Sterling

We all know he is cheap.

But, a lot of people in LA are Clipper fans due to the fact he is cheap. Accessibility plays a big part in creating long time fans.

Blake Griffin is coming, hide your MBengas

by bacek on Jan 11, 2011 1:17 PM PST reply actions  

I must admit, it worked on me!

"He has a tenacity to win and a tenacity to be out there and just kill people." -Baron Davis, on Blake Griffin

by Raining Buckets on Jan 11, 2011 5:30 PM PST up reply actions  

It's why some owners defend him

The idea of a hard salary cap to save owners from themselves must be pretty laughable to the players. If they all had the restraint of Sterling, the NBA wouldn’t need a cap.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jan 11, 2011 7:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Good point

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jan 11, 2011 8:29 PM PST up reply actions  

So what your saying is it's a good thing Sterling heckled Davis?

Thank you for pointing out the idiotic points of Baylor’s arguments against Sterling and in truth shining a better light on Sterling than anyone care’s to shine in the first part of the argument.

p.s. small fun fact, Sterling wanted Wesley Person to be drafted instead of Pike but he got overruled.

Ralph Lawler Rules!

by chrisd on Jan 11, 2011 1:23 PM PST reply actions  

Great post, Steve

Not often I read something that long and consistently nod my head in agreement all the way though.

Proudly enduring the pain since the days of Bill Walton's foot.

by boltsfan21 on Jan 11, 2011 1:29 PM PST reply actions  

Agreed! Great Journalistic Work!!

Funny how no one (Adande) took the time to research the things you did. Clippers are having a positive season on the court, and the negativity increases like usual. LA Times Sports Writers like Blake but still don’t know anything about the Clippers, their team, and their history (mainly because they have no journalistic record of their history). Not to defend Sterling, still think he’s a slimeball, but Baylor’s arguments against him are ridiculous given the fact that he was highly UNsuccessful.

Funny thing about the Maggette situation. Here you have an article complaining about how the Clippers were unwilling to re-sign Maggette, but I remember that it was reported that Dunleavy didn’t want to keep him because of their relationship.

As for using “all resources necessary” this offseason, it’s hard to make the argument against them doing that since there really wasn’t anyone outside of Lebron worth using our resources for.

Test for Sterling: This offseason. Resigning DJ & Extending EJ. If he can get that done, it will shut up all these critics (probably not, but it will help).

by TheEricGordonShow on Jan 11, 2011 2:05 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

Agree with your test for Sterling. While resigning DJ is important, extending EJ will be the real litmus test.

by Mike Wr on Jan 11, 2011 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

talk about litmus test

it’ll be REAL interesting once we offer EJ an extension, to see if he’ll take it. For some reason, I keep get the feeling he’s not as close to the team as like DJ, Blake, etc. Maybe just cause he’s not on twitter, but does anyone know if he’s good friends with everyone and hangs out and stuff?

by osamu on Jan 11, 2011 5:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Agree, as much as I dislike Sterling...

…I have a hard time taking up Baylor’s side. According to Baylor’s complaints, DTS made racist comments and personnel decisions beginning many, many years ago.

Baylor stuck around for all that time despite working for a racist and being underpaid? I find it hard to believe. This tells me that Baylor has a lack of character to stick up for what he believes is right and that he kept his job because he knew he wasn’t doing a good job and would have a hard time finding a position on another team. If Baylor felt DTS was a racist, he should have spoke up at the time and left the company, and moved on.

I still believe DTS is a jerk.

by homercles on Jan 12, 2011 8:51 AM PST up reply actions  

My 2nd Post in 3 months

The way Baron was playing earlier this season (when he played), I would have heckled him too and I’m not the one signing his $13mm/year paycheck!
If Sterling uses the same strategy with the Clips as he does his real estate, he will never ever sell the team. He never sells his properties, so I’m afraid he won’t sel the Clips anytime soon. Regardless, I’ve been a fan since ‘84 and I’m in it for the long haul!!

by pegitom on Jan 11, 2011 1:46 PM PST reply actions  

Bay and hold

Sterling is a buy and hold guy. It’s his one and only strategy as far as I know. I don’t envision the team being sold while he is alive.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jan 11, 2011 7:36 PM PST up reply actions  

The 27 out of 30 thing came up recently in a fanpost

And this was my comment.

Even where they are now (27 out of 30) at least you can chalk that up to being based on basketball decisions (even if we don’t agree with the decisions) and you really can’t trace most of them back to DTS greed. DTS signed off on bringing in Camby and Randolph where the Clippers took advantage of other teams trying to save money. Including Baron in the same offseason as Camby (an offseason where they made a monster offer to Brand as well) the Clippers aquired 3 of the 4 most expensive players on the 08-09 time within a few months of each other. Since then, the Clippers have shed a ton of payroll by replacing Randolph with a rookie (for basketball reasons) and moved out Camby to make a max offer to Lebron (basketball reasons.) You could hold up the $3MM for Camby, but really, Camby was on the chopping block in the Lebron pipe dream and the poor execution on that could easility be the fault of the GM as opposed to the owner (the owner seemed content to pay Lebron a whole lot of money.)

As for coming into this season, we don’t have any evidence to suggest that it was DTS who forced the GM and VDN to go after guys like Gomes, Foye and Cook. On the contrary, since DTS blasted the signigns saying that he didn’t even know who they were (boy he is one eccentric man.) And the speed at which the signigns took place after Lebron took his talents to south beach and statements from the front office indicate the VDN really wanted Gomes and Foye from the beginning.

by Michael White on Jan 11, 2011 1:48 PM PST reply actions  

Agreed.

Again, I still it’s too early. We’re still in wait-and-see-mode. Were the off-season moves done purely on the cheap, or because of a wise, Thunder-like approach. The real test comes in this off-season (and perhaps by the Trade Deadline). If Blake Griffin can’t attract top-tier talent, nothing can.

And an EJ extension would seriously do wonders for ending the cheapness debate. Though I argue the Brand, Maggette, Mobley, Randolph deals already did that (it just hasn’t translated on the court).

Also, if Sterling claims he wasn’t behind the cheap-o off-season signings, take it for what it’s worth. He historically says “every loss just kills me” and “I’ll do anything to win”, and needless to say that HASN’T been the case.

"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's going down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.

by Gordon for President on Jan 11, 2011 2:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

DTS got burned by MDSr – he overpaid him and got a poor coach and a poor GM in return. I’ve always been afraid that this would work against the Clippers in the long term, but so far so good post MDSr.

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jan 11, 2011 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

You know I never liked MDSr. as our coach

But DTS is not exactly getting burned when Dunleavy’s taking the team to the Playoffs and making a LOT of money because of it.

And I don’t think we can blame any of DTS’ stupid crap on MDSr. We can blame a lot of other stuff on MDSr., but not DTS’ actions. Sterling gets all the blame for that.

http://theempirehustle.tumblr.com/

by Erik O on Jan 11, 2011 4:26 PM PST up reply actions  

The guy was sub .400 - one winning record in seven years

Burned in the sense that he should have done much better than he did.

Agree that DTS is a douche

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jan 11, 2011 4:37 PM PST up reply actions  

True

But from that perspective, DTS has been burned nearly the entire time he’s been the Clips’ owner. He’s probably used to it by now. Bummer.

http://theempirehustle.tumblr.com/

by Erik O on Jan 11, 2011 4:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I think he went out on a limb (for him) by agreeing to the 5 year deal with MDSr for $10M

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jan 11, 2011 4:48 PM PST up reply actions  

True that

Which led to a lot of other big contracts at MDSr.‘s advice, but didn’t lead to a lot of wins. I can see the burn, but hopefully the current excitement and media attention over the team will soothe the pain (to stick with the metaphor).

http://theempirehustle.tumblr.com/

by Erik O on Jan 11, 2011 5:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Jax

Again, the blame for MDSr. being a sub .400 coach for 7 seasons falls on DTS. He keeps these guys around (ahem) even when they should be let go. It all stems from DTS, what decent owner would keep a crap coach and gm for what amounts to decades.

For the record, I love MDSr. and what he did for the franchise. (Daniel Ewing aside).

"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's going down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.

by Gordon for President on Jan 11, 2011 6:45 PM PST up reply actions  

what exactly did he do

The only remaining impact truly from the Dunleavy days is Kaman and there are many debates on trading him. One playoff season does not make a franchsie.

by KillaClip on Jan 11, 2011 9:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Didn't he draft EJ

and DJ and Griffin?

He also built the practice facility and took the team to the 2nd round of the playoffs. For most franchises this might not seem like a big deal but its a big difference for the Clippers.

Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.

by ClipperChuck on Jan 12, 2011 3:02 AM PST up reply actions  

EJ and DJ are nice pick ups

but Griffin wasn’t that difficult to draft :) Any team would have picked him.

by BelgianClipper on Jan 12, 2011 3:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Here come the defenders

Lol he drafted griffin

The guy was a bad coach. Period.

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jan 12, 2011 7:26 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Defenders?

you are being ignorant as usual to the good that MDSr was able to accomplish under a ridiculously bad owner. You have to give MDSr credit for some things.

And up until this summer with Griffin’s college knee problems and missing last year with another knee problem everyone was worried we drafted the next Greg Oden/Sam Bowie. It’s pretty fair to say that if Griffin was able to come back last year in Mid-January that Dunleavy would still be here.

Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.

by ClipperChuck on Jan 12, 2011 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Not true

Clipper execs hated the guy – they describe him as an “arrogant prick.” He was gone.

In any event, aren’t you happy to see team developing this year? They’ve been doing great. I hope you’re enjoying the new regime.

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jan 12, 2011 4:54 PM PST up reply actions  

The team has not been doing great

how is 12-24 great? Do I like what I see from DJ, EJ and Blake? Yes. Does their improvement have anything to do with the regime? No. SP already listed how the “new regime” is the same regime as before.

Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.

by ClipperChuck on Jan 12, 2011 5:19 PM PST up reply actions  

You don't think the team's doing better ?

You just cite to the basic w/l. Either you know nothing about basketball or are being disingenuous. Take your pick

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jan 12, 2011 5:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I know basketball

we should set up a poll and see what everyone thinks about that. You never have any actual points to make do you?

When the team actually locks up these young guys so we can finally sleep without one eye open and spend some money to beef up the bench then we can talk about their being a new regime. Right now its still the usual DTS business model.

Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.

by ClipperChuck on Jan 12, 2011 5:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Funny how you need others' validation

Once again, are you enjoying the team’s recent play?

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jan 12, 2011 5:30 PM PST up reply actions  

When they win

I sure do.

You’re who goes around accusing others of not knowing basketball (or even better not playing basketball), why not put it up to public debate?

So you still think the Clips are better off without Baron?

Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.

by ClipperChuck on Jan 12, 2011 5:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I only accuse you of not knowing about basketball

I do think that the Clippers are better off in the long run without BD. I do think he’s a good player, I just think they should trade him given his negatives while he’s playing well.

I like the team when they play well regardless of whether they are winning. I agree with George Karl that they are playing better and are only gooing to get better.

Contrast Karl’s comments now with his pointed criticisms of MDSr in the past. Since you say you know basketball I’m sure you know what those comments were and what they meant.

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jan 12, 2011 5:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmm

I see a lot of words in there but nothing of substance again.

So come up with a situation where the Clips improve by moving Baron. It was a simple question in which you immediately admitted you had nothing.

Cool, and George Karl isn’t even a partial coach towards Dunleavy, we all know he wasn’t thrilled with how the 2006 season ended with the home-court advantage fiasco. There are also numerous executives, scouts, sportswriters who think VDN is a terrible coach so what’s your point exactly?

Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.

by ClipperChuck on Jan 12, 2011 5:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Good point

simple poll:

Who is responsible for the Clippers recent success?

The Front Office
or
Blake Griffin?

(or Jax?)

I think it’s a no-brainer. “Regime has little to do with anything”.

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Jan 13, 2011 9:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Sadly, Dunleavy's tenure was the best run in Clippers history

Not defending him, but rather, pointing out the sad history of this franchise.

If you want to get technical, Elgin Baylor is the one that burned DTS, though I don’t feel a bit bad for the Donald.

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Jan 13, 2011 9:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Offseason

I think you have to consider the coach and GM issues from the offseason also. You know, this guy Kevin Pritchard was available after the draft. And coaches with significantly more experience and success were also available at the beginning of the summer, and the Clippers didn’t appear to show any interest in them. Not that I would have preferred Avery Johnson or Byron Scott, but it seems suspicious that the bigger names, which would have commanded higher salaries, were ignored.

I’m mostly pointing out the absurdity of the “unlimited resources” comment. I guess I just think that if they’re giong to go out of their way to include that phrase in a press release, they deserve to have it thrown back in their face.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jan 11, 2011 7:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Perhaps they were referring to LBJ and other high-priced FAs

That might now be more interested in coming here

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jan 11, 2011 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

they went for the moon

by going for Lebron but I guess that was pretty unlikely. Anyway due to all the free cap space floating around some guys got ridiculous contracts (Gay, Joe Johnson). Nobody is going to say: I’m going to leave money on the table to come to the Clippers (probably the other way around: pay me extra to come).

Is is a bit difficult to go over the cap when you 2 most important players are still on their rookie contract. And there weren’t that much players around that we could have blown our cap space on without overpaying grossly.

by BelgianClipper on Jan 12, 2011 3:16 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm rethinking the whole Rudy Gay thing.

Baron/EJ/Gay/BG/DJ would have been an awesome lineup.

They would eventually go over the cap due to resigning EJ/BG and DJ but man that is a great sounding team.

Proud member of Club FTR.

by Newton Pham on Jan 11, 2011 2:08 PM PST reply actions  

That would have been an amazing team

but wasn’t Rudy restricted? It would have been hard to get him

Blake Griffin is coming, hide your MBengas

by bacek on Jan 11, 2011 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup

Pretty much impossible to get him.

by Michael White on Jan 11, 2011 2:31 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah he was impossible to get so it isn't worth thinking about

all we could have done is make an offer , which would have been matched by Memphis. If anything all we would be doing is saving Memphis money.

"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown

by bestclipfan on Jan 11, 2011 4:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you might be right

even if they didn’t we couldn’t offer him as much money as Memphis ended up paying him.

"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown

by bestclipfan on Jan 11, 2011 5:23 PM PST up reply actions  

It was so much

that he was on his way to the airport to fly to another team’s location to talk, and he just turned the car around. “Memphis, you had me at $80mil. You had me at $80mil. tear

http://theempirehustle.tumblr.com/

by Erik O on Jan 11, 2011 5:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep, that's what happened.

As I recall, they signed him before anyone else had a chance. He was never actually “free.”

"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT

by SilverClip on Jan 11, 2011 6:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Wait on Rudy Gay

I guarantee you that contract will be an albatross before it’s done.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jan 11, 2011 7:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm sure you're right

I want to say, an expensive long term deal to a big name coach might not have been a whole lot better, esp to such a young team that’s bound to go through a few stages of growth. The apparent brilliance of Donald Sterling is pull ambiguous moves, one that might be interpreted as savvy, so as to not completely alienate his fan base.

If he plans on wielding his unlimited resources, then lets see him tie up his core, starting w/ DJ. The flaw in Donald’s logic is that his players have no solid reason as yet to trust his intensions. But if ties up DJ with generous $, then EJ will have at least one solid precedent.

"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT

by SilverClip on Jan 11, 2011 9:57 PM PST up reply actions  

What at the odds?

Gay is still a very young man. He might be overpaid but he’s unlikely to be a albatross (like perhaps a Joe Johnson and certainly not a Eddy Curry).

Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.

by ClipperChuck on Jan 12, 2011 3:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Is Eddy Curry the standard?

Wow, Eddy curry is a pretty tough ‘albatross’ standard to meet.

How about Rashard Lewis? I’d call him an albatross, making $20M at the age of 31. Rudy will be making $19M at 29, so not as bad as Lewis, but in the ballpark, especially considering that they are similarly limited players.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jan 12, 2011 8:38 AM PST up reply actions  

I think albatross

Means that having the contract keeps you from being able to fill needs on your team. Curry qualifies. Guys like Shard don’t since they were moved and contributed on a team that went to the NBA finals.

Gay is still improving though. If you hated the deal at the time it’s understandable but if Carmelo goes East he’s in the discusion of the best SF in the Western Conference right now.

by Michael White on Jan 12, 2011 8:55 AM PST up reply actions  

The discussion after Kevin Durant...

I think you forgot that guy….

Lewis not an albatross? He was just traded for what was widely considered to be the least tradeable contract in basketball. We obviously have different standards for this definition.

Memphis will want to trade Gay and have difficulty doing so within the lifetime of his current contract. Will you accept that statement?

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jan 12, 2011 9:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Durant, huh

No, he sucks.

Okay, forgot about Durant. I knew I should have gone down the list of all the teams before making that statement.

I think Chuck and I are just splitting hairs between overpaid and albatross. Gay is overpaid but at 28-29 basketball players aren’t exactly over the hill. Of the “terrible” Zach Randolph contract he put up his best numbers the last two years at 28-29. Gay’s game is certainly more reliant on athleticism but we’re not exactly in the Baron Davis age territory here.

Not sure that that they will want to trade Gay. The question is if he sucks by age 27 or 28. That’s when basketball players are in their prime so it seems unlikely that he’ll drop off that much between now and then especially since his game improved again this year. By the final year of the contract, if they want to trade him his expiring contract value alone will be attractive.

Is Baron an albatross? He sucked in year 1 of a 5 year deal that started at age 29. Gay is excelling in year 1 of a 5 year contract that ends at age 29.

by Michael White on Jan 12, 2011 9:10 AM PST up reply actions  

I have a feeling that Wes Matthews Jr. will be an albatross contract.

He’s having a very good year, but I don’t think he can keep it up. He will become very average. I could be very wrong.

by tenkaistar on Jan 12, 2011 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

I just thought SP was using his guarantee a little lightly. Not only that I kind of think were going to face a Rudy Gay-like dilemma with EJ soon. The not quite max contract guy yet who you pay like a max contract guy based on upside.

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by ClipperChuck on Jan 12, 2011 4:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't agree with that at all

He’s a fine player with excellent further potential

Bingo! Oh me oh my!

by ClippersUK on Jan 12, 2011 4:30 AM PST up reply actions  

With Maggette I know he wanted to keep.

But coach Dunleavy didn’t want Maggette. The guy the last 5 or 6 years in term of signing
big free agents has open up his wallet. The Baron thing was great because i was his
boss i think i would of done worse than heckle him.

by ENCUEROMAN on Jan 11, 2011 2:43 PM PST reply actions  

2 Things you forgot
  1. The NBA is named in the lawsuit as “a joint venturer/partner of condoning, adopting and ratifying this discriminatory practice…”
  1. “Grossly underpaid during his tenure with the Clippers, never earning more than $350,000 per year, when compared with the compensation scheme for general managers employed by every other team in the NBA.”

If Elgin was such an awesome GM, why didn’t he quit and get another GM job for more money?

DTS is cheap, lacks class and tries to make jokes that goes terribly wrong. He really is the Michael Scott of the NBA.

by sqrebck on Jan 11, 2011 2:51 PM PST reply actions  

lol

he does always try to pull yankee swaps with contracts

Blake Griffin is coming, hide your MBengas

by bacek on Jan 11, 2011 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL

“In this fall, this is very tough, in this fall I’m going to take my talents to South Beach and join the Miami H—-”

“YYYYAAAANKEE SWAP!!! Okay, Miami, you can either take Gomes, Cook, or the iPod. Which one’s it gonna be?”

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by Erik O on Jan 11, 2011 4:29 PM PST up reply actions  

great post steve

but, with the recent irking you’ve felt with these decisions going against that supposed urge the clips put out there with the dunleavy firing, are you afraid the franchise is stuck in its ways and might ruin what is a very promising core? do you feel, like many of us feel, that this clipper team is set up for long-term success practically unlike any other former clipper team? with the great pieces at every position, im really feeling like there could be a bright future ahead, but of course the awful history of this team’s management is in the back of my mind.

by shap on Jan 11, 2011 2:58 PM PST reply actions  

Whoa Whoa Whoa

Good post, but im disturbed by the who “I was never a big fan of Major League” part.

Major League is one of the 5 greatest sports films of all time. Period. Not the greatest, but of them. Wild Thing Rick Vaughn? Willie Mays Hayes? Pedro Cerrano? Genius.

I root for the Indians BECAUSE of that film. Stever you’re the man, dont get me wrong, but you’re dislike for Major League is unwarranted and offensive

Kobe is a therapist. Without the THE

by OneNationUnderClip on Jan 11, 2011 3:05 PM PST reply actions  

definitely no. 5

after

1. Baseketball
2. Balls of Fury
3. Rookie of the Year
4. Bring it on 2

Blake Griffin is coming, hide your MBengas

by bacek on Jan 11, 2011 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

like mike

was better.

starring bow wow

by osamu on Jan 11, 2011 5:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought this was a reverse list?

I actually liked Like Mike. I’m not gonna lie. That sh*t was awesome. It had so many NBA players in it.

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by Erik O on Jan 11, 2011 5:35 PM PST up reply actions  

haha sorry

i just hate bow wow so that’s probably what ruined it for me.

let’s just replace that with Like Mike 2: Street Ball.

by osamu on Jan 11, 2011 5:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think I hated bow wow yet back then

He was like 10

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by Erik O on Jan 11, 2011 6:16 PM PST up reply actions  

how bout coach carter?!?

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by purple_gold on Jan 11, 2011 6:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Prepare for a rant...

So I’m from Richmond, and I went to a private school that is literally nextdoor to Richmond High (my parents didn’t want me to get shot apparently). Richmond has always been ghetto as hell, but that movie made everyone start acting sooo much worse. All this “Rich-what??” crap all the time… really soured the movie for me. So yeah, you could say I’m a little biased against a movie that exploited my home town just to make some money and do basically nothing for the city or school (Richmond High is still a very unsafe and unsuccessful school).

Glory Road was awesome, though…

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by Erik O on Jan 11, 2011 7:09 PM PST up reply actions  

How about "Just Wright"

With Queen Latifa and Common and a guest appearance by everyone’s favorite player….Elton Brand!

Living on a prayer!

by Jayq on Jan 11, 2011 7:14 PM PST up reply actions  

the perfect score?

where he was a High School kid with bball talent (ha!) who needed to find a away to cheat on the SATs? (cough Derrick Rose cough)

by KidJustin on Jan 12, 2011 8:26 AM PST up reply actions  

That's quite a list there, citizen

What about “The Fish That Saved Pittsburgh?”

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by Steve Perrin on Jan 11, 2011 7:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Just a bit outside

I liked Major League fine. But not as much as most people – yourself included, evidently.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jan 11, 2011 7:47 PM PST up reply actions  

sterling is an easy target

we all know the legendary sterling is cheap routine….we all know about the not wanting to rent to various groups…i dont see any point over going over the same thing over and over and over…whats the point? i started being a season ticket holder in 1988…14 straight years…drove in from a 2nd home in palm springs for saturday night games or drove to anaheim when the games were split up…ive met sterling many times as well as baylor…and when they were together at golf tournaments as well as kickoff luncheons…i never saw any animosity between them…i have watched playoffs games at the sports arena with baylor and never heard a disparaging word about sterling from him…i was just a season ticket holder who happened to be around…but no one would have hired any general manager with a record like elgin and kept him on after failure after failure…what about the draft choices(lancaster gordon,joe wolf,reggie williams,leron ellis, randy wood, korolev,benoit benjamin,etc)…charles smith was traded because he got into with larry brown over not wanting to play center, hence he would not sign an extension and forced a trade to new york which lost us doc rivers and brought us stanley roberts and mark jackson who was a crappy locker room guy…and we know what stanley brought us(his appetite)…i was a dunleavy guy until he QUIT on the team..this never made any sense to me and still doesnt…why would a guy who has blake griffin coming in the next year not ride out the last couple of months of a season that wasnt lost yet…dunleavy then proceeded to make some really screwy trades that made the team unwatchable…looks like a guy who wanted to get fired and live off $5mil for doing nothing…if i had a team and someone was screwing it up, i would screw with him also…not a sterling apologist at all, but when you decide to be a clipper fan, we all know who the owner is…and he doesnt sell anything…if it took being embarassed by some heckling and having it blasted in the papers, sterling should have heckled baron last year instead of asking him to play better, like he did.

by dellago on Jan 11, 2011 4:16 PM PST reply actions  

*presses enter*

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by Erik O on Jan 11, 2011 4:31 PM PST up reply actions  

It's Not Like the Other Owners are Saints Either

Given the ownership situation with the Knicks, Hornets, Bobcats, Cavaliers, Hawks, and a couple of other teams, I’m starting to become less pessimistic about DTS. Sure, Sterling is a jerk and has a long record of being a cheapskate, but he seems to have improved marginally over the last five years while several other owners have started to surpass him in awfulness.

The key to Sterling’s future success is whether his current management team can pull the Clips out of third or fourth tier of NBA teams and then whether Sterling is willing to bankroll a shot at becoming a title contender. The Clips have the makings of a strong roster, but not a Miami Heat collection of super-friends. If the Clips expect to win big, they’re going to have to be like the Mavs and have a couple of productive guys at every position and that would require spending like the Mavs.

But my opinion is that DTS isn’t particularly relevant right now because he’s not the guy making roster, trade, and drafting decisions. The only way DTS would become relevant as anything but a sideshow distraction (heckling BD, lawsuits, etc.) is if the team starts winning consistently. Then there will be some really important ownership decisions.

by Ric Caric on Jan 11, 2011 5:02 PM PST reply actions  

Doesn't he get the final say on signings, though?

If he decided that EJ isn’t worth an extension, isn’t that final? I always assumed so, but I’m not sure.

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by Erik O on Jan 11, 2011 5:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I think he will be willing to give EJ money

he goes to a lot of games, and EJ is the leading scorer.

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by bestclipfan on Jan 11, 2011 5:24 PM PST up reply actions  

He goes to a lot of first halves of games

Come on now… every time I see him, he’s gone by midway through the 2nd quarter… ;)

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by Erik O on Jan 11, 2011 5:48 PM PST up reply actions  

27th out of 30 in payroll is misleading

This statistic is misleading. Really there are about 10 or so teams that are under the cap. You have to look at them all as tied for last (unless there is one team that is GROSSLY below the cap, which LAC is not).

That they are in the last four of those 10 or so is not significant. Once they were near the cap, should they have spent more on a 13th and 14th player who would not get many minutes? Who was available that would merit the extra $5M at the end of FA. Given what was available and who was willing to be a Clipper, I believe they were wise with their last cap $s.

by Thretch on Jan 11, 2011 5:07 PM PST reply actions  

Beasley wasn't a FA I think?

And Wright has been a steal for GSW but hindsight is 20 20

by BelgianClipper on Jan 12, 2011 3:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Beasley

could have been traded for pretty much nothing (a 2nd round pick) as the Heat needed the cap space for the mega free agents.

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by ClipperChuck on Jan 12, 2011 3:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Wouldn't that have been the end of the Lebron chase

for the Clippers? Beasley has been terrific for the T-wolves but there were a lot doubts around him last year. Also would he have worked as good with this team? He would have taken attemps away from EJ and BG. With the T-Wolves he is basically the alpha-dog on offense.

by BelgianClipper on Jan 12, 2011 3:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Exactly

Revisionist history by the haters

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
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by Jax on Jan 12, 2011 7:30 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

We had no back up plan after the Lebron fail which was likely

There were still a ton of quality players out there even Sterling was like WTF when we got Gomes and Foye.

by KillaClip on Jan 12, 2011 7:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Actually...

Foye/Gomes signed on July 8; Wright signed July 10, Beasley trade occurred July 12. So strictly speaking, it would have been possible to pursue LeBron, and then turn attention to either or both of these guys.

But it’s obviously 20/20 hindsight; I mean, you can’t just cherry pick the surprise signing of the entire summer, the leading candidate for MIP and say “The Clippers are so stupid, they should have done that.” Let’s face it, most of us wanted Josh Childress, who has been so bad that he’s dropped out of the rotation in Phoenix (pretty sure we can get him now if we still want him). Wright signed for 3/$11M, Gomes for 3/$12M. Based on their career stats to that point, I know which one I thought was the better signing at the time, and it wasn’t Wright.

As for Beasley, that wasn’t happening. He certainly could have been had, and cheaply, but the “character” push in the Clippers front office would not allow it. It certainly would have been interesting to have four major stars from the HS class of 2007 on the same NBA team.

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by Steve Perrin on Jan 12, 2011 8:49 AM PST up reply actions  

I still haven't seen a name from last years FA

where we could/should have paid a few millions more to get him. Gomes and Foye haven’t been a great success for the Clips. But at the time they seemed solid pick-ups for a decent prize in a market that was going haywire due to a far greater demand then supply.

by BelgianClipper on Jan 12, 2011 10:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Childress

is back in the rotation (he started the last game in fact for Grant Hill). He hasn’t been bad (based on his per minutes numbers) but Gentry has admitted he doesn’t know how he can distribute minutes for 5 SF/SGs. How do you split up 96 minutes between Vince Carter, Pietrus, Grant Hill, Jared Dudley, Josh Childress?

If the Suns would do it, a swap of Gomes for Childress would be highly beneficial for the Clips.

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by ClipperChuck on Jan 12, 2011 4:26 PM PST up reply actions  

He's almost as bad as H Warrick (someone you said would be an

adequate replacement for Amare. Not so much. They can have Childress.

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by Jax on Jan 12, 2011 4:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Wrong

I never said Warrick alone could replace Amare.

And Childress is still much better than Gomes.

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by ClipperChuck on Jan 12, 2011 5:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Whatever you say

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
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by Jax on Jan 12, 2011 5:16 PM PST up reply actions  

How insightful

Still want to trade Baron for Augustine, Carroll and Diop or did you finally bother looking up the contracts?

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by ClipperChuck on Jan 12, 2011 5:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Here's what you said about Warrick, Childress and Amare and how the Suns are so much better than the Clips

Wrong on all counts

You from 9-21

The Suns lost Amare but they’ve played solidly without him in past years. Warrick and Childress are both underrated players who can mitigate the damages of Amare leaving. Hedo is a upgrade over Barbosa. I think they took a small step back this year but they are still well ahead of the Clippers.

The Clippers have 4 good players, a bunch of journeyman (Gomes, Butler, Rhino and Foye) and 4 rookies (and DJ often plays like one). Oh and Brian Cook.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Sep 21, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions

Who’s not a journeyman on the Suns? Steve Nash? Hedo? Childress (arguably?)

Warrick has never gotten it done and is at best a journeyman. At best.

Reality – most teams have three or four core players and the rest are "journeymen."

“[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don’t understand and they don’t weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them.”
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by Jax on Sep 21, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions

 Warrick Warrick is a guy who can’t create for himself, but he hasn’t had a proper pass-first point guard in quite some time. Rose? Jennings? Conley? None fit the bill. Amare only learned how to create for himself in recent years. I think Warrick will surprise this year, and it will be partly because of the Suns’ offense, and party because of the ageless abilities of Steve Nash.

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
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by Jax on Jan 12, 2011 5:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmm

Hedo sucked and is gone. Warrick didn’t surprise. Neither did Childress. And the Suns suck. So you were wrong on all counts.

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
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by Jax on Jan 12, 2011 5:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Nope

Suns have a better record than the Clips still right? So still ahead (and they took a huge step back since making the in-season trade) of the Clips. And with the roster I was analyzing at the time they were .500.

Warrick has been a fine bench player (17.5 PER), he’d be a nice option off the bench for many teams. Don’t see where I said he’d replace Amar’e alone.

Hedo was a improvement over Barbosa until they traded him to the Magic.

And my analysis of the the Clippers having 4 good players, a bunch of journeyman (Gomes, Butler, Rhino and Foye) and 4 rookies (and DJ often plays like one) is generally accurate, the sole miss was that DJ has grown up.

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by ClipperChuck on Jan 12, 2011 5:31 PM PST up reply actions  

This is like shooting fish in a barrel

Before you said they took a slight step back. Now you say a huge step back. So you were wrong thire.

You said that Childress and Amare would together replace Amare. Not so much. You were wrong there.

Hedo sucked with the Suns. You’re wrong there too.

And last but not least, the Suns are worse than the Clippers (you can point to record but if you can’t see that you don’t know basketball).

Embarrassing.

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
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by Jax on Jan 12, 2011 5:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Heh

Wrong again.

I said small step back during the off-season, since they traded a good chunk of their roster (and even changed their style of play now with Gortar in a conventional C role) they have now taken a huge step back.

I said Childress and Warrick would mitigate the damage from the loss of Amar’e, not replace. Maybe you should look up the word mitigate.

Hedo was just a average player with the Suns, Barbosa was injured, unhappy and bad for them last year. Again it was a upgrade over what they had.

So the Suns were better than the Clips back in Sept and they have been better YTD. You don’t know how to count if you can’t figure that one out.

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by ClipperChuck on Jan 12, 2011 5:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Dense

They were going nowhere before the trade. You don’t think otherwise.

You said that Warick and childress would do well. That’s the implication.

Hedo sucked.

Embarrassing.

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
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by Jax on Jan 12, 2011 6:14 PM PST up reply actions  

It is embarrassing

to be you.

Again, nice generalization. Wake me when you actually write anything meaningful. I’ve seen small children with more detailed analysis than that.

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by ClipperChuck on Jan 12, 2011 6:28 PM PST up reply actions  

My friend, if

I had anything even remotely interesting to analyze you’d see more analysis. Your stuff is boring and pedestrian.

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
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by Jax on Jan 12, 2011 9:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Heh

Exactly what I expected I’d get from you, nothing.

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by ClipperChuck on Jan 13, 2011 1:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Just because you're wrong all the time

 Doesn’t mean you have to be lame

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jan 13, 2011 9:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Funny

just because you’re lame all the time doesn’t mean you have to always be wrong as well.

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by ClipperChuck on Jan 13, 2011 8:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I recommend that you read the KA

article up on ESPN. It’s a good read

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
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by Jax on Jan 13, 2011 9:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Piatkowski

I’m not sure Pike belongs in that list of 6 contracts, since the dollar value was not in the same league as the other five. They didn’t give a huge contract to Pike, so it’s maybe 1.5 out of 5.5 where white. That’s not as disproportionate to the racial mix in the NBA as 2 out of 6.

by Thretch on Jan 11, 2011 5:11 PM PST reply actions  

Yes, but

I think the Pike signing was hugely significant because it was pre-Brand/Maggette, in a time when NOBODY re-signed. Just to re-sign someone was huge. Besides, 4/$12M was a pretty decent sized deal in 1999. Moreover, it really did seem to set the stage; Vaught’s extension in 1993 was looking like an outlier, but since Pike they’ve become more frequent as the team has begun behaving like a real franchise.

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by Steve Perrin on Jan 11, 2011 7:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Is There Any Reaction to DTS During Clipper Games

Living in KY, I’ve never had a chance to see the Clippers live. Is there any fan response to owner Donald Sterling during the games?

by Ric Caric on Jan 11, 2011 6:13 PM PST reply actions  

I saw people getting his autograph and taking pictures with him after the last game I went to.

It’s either good or bad. It looked like a few giant groups, not just random people, so maybe he gifted a bunch of people (all minorities mind you) with some free tickets and they were saying thanks. Or maybe he actually has fans, which is just sad for the people of Los Angeles.

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by Erik O on Jan 11, 2011 6:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Most people don't even realize he is there

so no real reaction from fans towards him.

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by bestclipfan on Jan 11, 2011 7:42 PM PST up reply actions  

before the national anthem

when its dead silent you can hear fans yelling at DTS, sell the team, your a jerk, etc. you can hear it around the whole arena. not sure who the hell would get his autograph i have never seen or heard of it till now

by ImranQ on Jan 11, 2011 7:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I try to not look at him

usually makes me sad and I just shake my head in disappointment. I can’t understand how anyone would want to be known as the worst owner ever.

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by ClipperChuck on Jan 12, 2011 3:11 AM PST up reply actions  

The Post just makes the case Baylor was the token black guy

Well known so it would look like he hired the most random miniority but kept him long enough because Baylor didn’t get in the way to often. This happens a whole lot in the work force more so now in LA with Spanish employers having an entire spanish staff and one african american sad but true story of life.

by KillaClip on Jan 11, 2011 9:09 PM PST reply actions  

If you wanted have a

token guy as second in command… .

by BelgianClipper on Jan 12, 2011 2:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Front office is a different buisness

Sterling is a rascist so you at least need one African American on your staff.

by KillaClip on Jan 12, 2011 7:17 AM PST up reply actions  

not to say it only counts for racism if you hire an black person

But it had to be a caliber name to draw attention away from you.

by KillaClip on Jan 12, 2011 8:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Super insightful...

Spanish employers? You mean, the employers from Spain? Are there are lot of those in LA?

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jan 12, 2011 8:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Nice Job

I think you did a great job putting the time in to research this and give fans a different view of the situation. Thank you.

by ClipperTheorist on Jan 11, 2011 10:27 PM PST reply actions  

It's not about race

When it comes down to the multi-year contracts that were re-signed, the fact that Kaman and Pike were (American) White, doesn’t really matter I think. If you were truly racist, wouldn’t you sign all Black players? After all, that fits ignorant stereotypes better.

Also, Vlad Rad was “Euro”, i’m not sure which category that counts in….
Bottom line, Baron and Kaman have cashed a lot of big paychecks from the Clips over the years. Demanding results from these two should be allowed.

As Steve pointed out, Baylor’s arguments make zero sense. I’m pretty sure offering Dominique Wilkins a long term contract at the (near) end of his career would not have been a great idea.

Mark Cuban is a great owner, but he can’t own every team.

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by oasisman on Jan 12, 2011 1:47 AM PST reply actions  

VladRad

That’s one funny thing about the perception of ‘racism’ in the NBA. Is DTS supposed to be racist, or xenophobic, or both? Was Korolev a white guy, or a foreign guy? Some times it’s hard to know what side you’re on. That’s why I find that it’s better to just see who can play basketball.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jan 12, 2011 8:55 AM PST up reply actions  

i have a better case against DTS

being racist against asian people, hence the no asian GM, coach, or playe….

….. dang it, forgot about Wang Zhizhi

by osamu on Jan 12, 2011 2:43 AM PST reply actions  

I am very disappointed in you

Forgetting about Wang Zhizhi.

Remember the good old days of the Staples center crowd booing Olawakandi every time he touched the ball, eventually Wang get’s put in and the crowd cheered enthusiastically. Of course, 2 minutes in everybody realized Wang sucked more than Olawakandi did…..

by Michael White on Jan 12, 2011 7:58 AM PST up reply actions  

He was the Clippers fork

unlike Darko (the human victory cigar) Wang ZhiZhi came in when the game was over. So stick a fork in it, its done. Or maybe he’s the fortune cookie since he comes at the end of the meal (though a fortune cookie is not authentically Chinese).

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by ClipperChuck on Jan 12, 2011 4:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought he was on the Suns

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by ClipperChuck on Jan 12, 2011 4:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, he was on the Clips for training Camp

Then MDSr cut him…he was the last cut.

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-Clipper Darrell

by oasisman on Jan 12, 2011 10:49 PM PST up reply actions  

DTS is a cheap dick!

Please sell the team to someone who will spend the $ to resign EJ, DJ and Blake!!! I wish Stern would make DTS sell. That would be great!!!

by mrbiff on Jan 12, 2011 10:40 PM PST reply actions  

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