WoW: What does it mean to be average?

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over 1 year ago John R 13 comments 0 recs |

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Interesting...

I wish there was a way to find the hidden gems a little better… that is, to find out if guys can maintain their efficiency in larger quantities. But at least we can begin to determine which guys look better by the eye test, like LA, but aren’t actually helping their team win by these actions. If it weren’t for Kevin Love’s ability to produce in limited minutes, Kahnnnnnnn might never have let him off the pine, and we’d never know he could have a 30-30 night.

The problem I see, then, is that if you have a very bad team (every player but one is producing below 6.0 wins) you have a big scorer who is producing a slightly above average number of wins (7.0), how do you know who to trade him for to maximize your wins produced? Hypothetically, let’s say you trade the scorer (7.0) for a guy who, per 36, produces a ton more wins (12.0 wins produced), but is only playing 10-12 mpg at the time.

Suddenly, that player actually plays 36 minutes, the projection doesn’t pan out, and he’s producing the same number of wins as the scorer you traded (7.0) but isn’t shooting the volume of the old scorer. Now, the rest of your shoddy team is taking those extra shots that the previous player would’ve taken. I assume that would make the overall team worse, yes? Because at least before, their best player on this crappy team was taking all of the shots.

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by Erik O on Jan 5, 2011 5:32 PM PST reply actions

I think that's the opposite of what they are going for

you don’t trade the scorer for this under-utilized player on this other team. Clearly this other team is stupid and you should fleece them by trading for them are a bargain price. The scorer is supposedly overvalued around the league so you can get multiple gems in return.

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by ClipperChuck on Jan 5, 2011 5:42 PM PST up reply actions

Ahhh yeah...

That makes sense then. You can trade Carmelo for 3 “lower tier” players and a couple draft picks, and those 3 guys are secretly just as good if not better than Carmelo, from a wins producing standpoint, and now you’ve got a couple first new rooks as well. This seems to be the San Antonio model who are always credited with “finding diamonds in the rough.”

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by Erik O on Jan 5, 2011 5:59 PM PST up reply actions

Baron Davis per 36

    * Two Point Range: 4.3-9.1 (46.9%) – Average
    * Three Point Range: 0.8-4.0 (19.0%) – Below (below below) Average
    * Free Throws: 1.8-2.8 (65.0%) – Below Average
    * Points: 12.8 – Below Average
    * Rebounding: 0.6 Offensive 2.9 Defensive – Average
    * Playmaking: 9.0 Assists 1.5 Steals 3.2 Turnovers – Excellent, Above Average, Below Average
    * Defending: 0.7 Blocks 3.5 Personal Foul – Above average, Below average

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by ClipperChuck on Jan 5, 2011 5:32 PM PST reply actions

Eric Gordon per 36

    * Two Point Range: 5.8-11.5 (50.4%) – Above Average
    * Three Point Range: 1.6-4.9 (31.7%) – Below Average
    * Free Throws: 5.9-7.3 (80.4%) – Average
    * Points: 22.3 – Far above average
    * Rebounding: 0.9 Offensive 2.2 Defensive – Average offensive, below average defensive rebounding
    * Playmaking: 4.4 Assists 1.1 Steals 2.8 Turnovers – Above Average, Average, Below Average
    * Defending: 0.4 Blocks 2.1 Personal Foul – Average, Above Average

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by ClipperChuck on Jan 5, 2011 5:39 PM PST reply actions

Below average 3-pt shooter? Let's not lose the trees through the forest

Since Dec 1, EJ has shot 41% beyond the arc (37 for 90). I can’t account for his horrible 3-pt slump through November, but he’s clearly back on track, similar to the rest of his career.

After all, who do we want to assess? I’m more interested in the EJ who’ll be showing up to the rest of our games.

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by SilverClip on Jan 6, 2011 2:38 PM PST up reply actions

This was just a full-season thing

I think we all know that the 3pt shooting will rise up… but yeah, I’d be interested in finding out these numbers since Dec 1, when the team hit its stride. I’ll bet we see more above average numbers.

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by Erik O on Jan 6, 2011 3:37 PM PST up reply actions

Do the research yourself if your interested

I just pulled the numbers for the year. I agree that EJ is better than a 31.7% 3pt shooter but if were looking at his season so far then that’s where he’s at this year.

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by ClipperChuck on Jan 6, 2011 5:45 PM PST up reply actions

I know that’s his season average. But focusing too much on broad averages can be myopic, as large samples tend to overlook significant short term trends. Like when EJ had to suddenly take over major offensive duties on a short handed and swiftly sinking Clipper squad. It’s a little odd that his outside stroke was the skill that suffered, but it was what it was, and I’m no homer to say that we ought to discount it.

If EJ shoots 41% from Dec thru April, his seasonal 3pt % may still end up at only 35%. Hollinger or WoW would look at that and use words like “Below Average”, but that’s just goofy. It’s a problem with their respective systems, not with EJ.

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by SilverClip on Jan 6, 2011 8:22 PM PST up reply actions

Dude

your discussing a article on the average stats of the YTD. You are free to look at the last month if you choose but you are missing the point of the actual article. YTD he’s been below average 3pt shooting but he’s trending upwards so this might not be the case in April.

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by ClipperChuck on Jan 6, 2011 8:42 PM PST up reply actions