CP3 trade scenarios...what do the Hornets want?
My head is buzzing with the idea of having CP3 throw lobs to Griffin and DJ in the near future...shoot even Bledsoe and him have some serious chemistry as evidenced here.
So what package(s) will get the Hornets to bite. Obviously the Minny pick is a given in any trade involving Chris Paul, but what else? My fear is that they'll want demand Eric Gordon Jr as well as salaries to match in say, Chris Kaman. Is CN prepared to give up our beloved below-average guard?
I'm not sure to be honest. How many shooting guards are going to be better than him over the next 10 yrs? Not many...maybe not even one.
The way I see it - the Hornets will want some combination of:
- Assets (Minny pick)
- Shedding of big, long contracts (e.g. Okafor)
- Taking on expiring contracts (e.g. Kaman, Foye)
- Getting talent (e.g. EJ)
I'm fine with items 1 thru 3 on this list. It's #4 that gets me thinking...
For example, I would do Minny pick, Kaman and Foye for CP3 and Okafor without batting an eye. But are we prepared to offer EJ on top of that as well? Vote below.
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"Is CN prepared to give up our beloved below-average guard?"
Yes, I would.
I just think you have to give up talent to get talent and the Clippers (unless they move EJ) aren’t giving up talent. Sure, they’re giving up the hope of talent in the Minny pick but picks flame out all the time. Otherwise, the Clippers are only offering salary relief and I don’t think that’s enough to get it done.
You have to give up something to get something.
BTW, we’re assuming this is an extend and trade, right?
You are giving up talent - whatever they can get for the expiring Kaman and another lottery pick
In the deepest draft in years. Plus Bledsoe. Kaman / cap relief allows the new ownership to come in and craft the team the way they want to.
including EJ would be tough for me. I’d have to think long and hard about that one. Even though he obviously sucks.
I think you need to look at this not from the angle of what is the most we’d give up for CP3 but rather what is the minimum we have to give up to ensure we get him. Who else is going to give up as good an offer as Kaman, Bledsoe and the Minny pick?
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
The point is that NO has to move him or get nothing and our offer is good
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
I suppose it would be a good exercise to look around the league and figure out what the Hornets next best offer could be...any takers?
via trade machine and only teams that could contend
NOH<>OKC
CP3 for Westbrook+Harden+Perkins
NOH<>POR
CP3 for Roy
or
CP3 for Camby (11M expiring)+Wes Matthews
NOH<>SAS
CP3 for Tony Parker+DeJuan Blair
NOH<>DAL
CP3 for JKidd+Caron Butler (both expiring…9M and 10M)
NOH<>LAL
CP3 for Andrew Bynum+Shannon Brown (2M expiring)
NOH<>MEM
CP3 for Rudy Gay
NOH<>ATL
CP3 for Josh Smith+Jeff Teague
NOH<>BOS
CP3 for Rajon Rondo+Jermaine O’Neal (6M expiring)
NOH<>CHI
CP3 for Loul Deng+Kyle Korver
NOH<>MIA
CP3 for Chris Bosh
NOH<>NJN
CP3 for Deron Williams
NOH<>NYK
CP3 for Billups+Ronny Turiaf (both expiring…14M and 4M)
NOH<>ORL
CP3 for Arenas or Howard
not saying any of them are good…but they work salary wise
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Nice! I think the Westbrook offer is the strongest one of the lot.
Would be a bold move to trade Westbrook and a beard for CP3…
Some of those may be close to the clips offer sans EJ but none are as good IMO
Portland for example could throw in a first rounder next year, no? of coruse they probably wouldn’t be lotto with CP3
The Minny pick should clinch it.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
I don't think the Clippers have enough talent on the roster to entice CP3
Seems to me he would choose Melo+Amare+New York or Kobe+Gasol+LA Lakers over Griffin+Gordon+LA – Sterling right now. He might think about it and the Clippers will keep coming up in the discussion but I don’t think he says yes to an extension and a trade without another significant roster upgrade by the Clips. And he definitely doesn’t approve if Gordon is in the trade
he definietly doesn'y approve if Gordon is in the trade
never thought of that….CP3 would love to play with Blake…he also alluded to Jordan when Jordan was a rookie…i’m sure Gordon would be a holy grail in backcourtmates based on what he’s had (Marcus Thornton or Mo Pete). While NOH might be all over Gordon…Paul might very veto it. good point
reminds of when the Lakers toyed with the idea of trading Kobe to the Bulls and wanted Deng in return…and Kobe said NO…i want to play WITH Deng, not traded for him
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Do you haver to give up talent to get talent?
Remember the situation NO is in. If CP3 makes it to free agency, they lose him for nothing (which even that means salary cap relief, right). So Kaman and the Minny pick gives them a great pick in a great draft more than they get if Paul becomes an FA. Given the new rules post Melo, if Paul can veto any trade simply by refusing to sign an extension, the question becomes can NOH do better? Obviously, the Clippers would be only to happy to toss in a Bledsoe or an Aminu if it would get the deal done. And maybe they’d go all the way to Gordon… but I think NO would blink first and you could get him without including EJ. Who else is going to be on Paul’s approved destination? We know that New York is there, but they have squat to offer.
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by Steve Perrin on Nov 29, 2011 11:07 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
I definitely don’t think you need to give up EJ, but I think if that day comes, you gotta do it for a guy like CP3. I’d be pissed, though, if they traded EJ for CP3 and NO would have accepted “the ’Soe” or something.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
CP3's knee worries. me.
EJ, Kaman, the Minny Pick is a lot for a guy who might flame out. Better to keep EJ and get Iggy if that’s the case. But I seriously feel NOH won’t hold out for that much. UTAH took two lotto picks and Devin Harris for D-Will, our current offer is at least as good if not better.
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by Gordon for President on Nov 29, 2011 5:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know how I would vote on this
I think I would say no if we are already giving them the mini pick, I think giving up EJ as well as likely top 3 pick in what will be a draft for the ages would be too much. Maybe I might be willing to do that if we swapped picks that way we would at least have two picks in the draft and I imagine the Hornets without Paul will probably not be a playoff team so it would likely still be a lottery pick.
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Trade plan...
offer for Griffin…big no
offers for Gordon (or Jordan)…try to counter offer with other players first
ultimately, i would want to keep Griffin-Gordon-Jordan intact as much as possible…but for CP3, any of them (except Griffin of course) is NOT a deal breaker
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wouldn’t we have a hole in the SG and SF positions if we trade away Gordon? Those are the primary scoring positions. I know that Paul would make everyone on the court better, but we would lack that extra offensive punch. I would hate to trade EJ unless we doubt that he will resign and I would not want to give up the MInny Pick. Tough decisions.
EJ AND Minny pick? No way. . .
the end result of a Paul trade should be a big 3 of Griffin-EJ-CP. That is a better big 3 than the one in Miami if you ask me. If the Hornets are set on dealing Paul before the season, i would offer Kaman, Bled, and Minny pick. . .then throw in Aminu if they are on the fence. I would even let DJ walk if that made it easier to absorb Okafor, which may be a demand from the Hornets.
Unless Paul mentions other team for S&T, Gordon is a deal breaker.
DJ,Minny Pick, Kaman,Bledsoe for Paul sounds fair. No way we should include Gordon if we are bidding against ourselves
Take DJ out of the deal and put in Aminu
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by ClipperBEAST on Nov 29, 2011 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
What if we take on Ariza's contract?
would that be of interest to NOH
Ariza isnt the same guy he was on the Lakers (better as a role player, crappy as a go to guy)..so his salary might not be worth his current production…
but Ariza playing 4th or 5th fiddle to Blake,Gordon,Paul,Jordan…that would work
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This.
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by Gordon for President on Nov 29, 2011 5:06 PM PST up reply actions
it works...
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=826gkgc
u can even throw in Aminu AND Foye and it will still work
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You serious?
You want to trade DJ & Kaman in the same deal?
And then we have to watch Brian Cook playing centre for us with Jarron Collins or some other no good journey man?
Untouchables – Griffin, Gordon, DJ (everyone else is expendable)
you are telling me if NOH makes that offer you don't take it ???
DJ is expendable for the top PG in the league in my book, also (and i forgot to put this on my proposed trade we probably have to take Okafor back.
We can get Pryzbilla or something
Plenty of decently talented bigs out there that would keep us from having to play Cookie.
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I'd have to say no if the Minny pick is inolved.
I really believe that this team needs to keep Griffin and Gordon no matter what.
I think that we’d be doing a disservice to ourselves if we gave up Gordon, the Minny pick and our capspace flexibility. We’ll get a top notch player in return, but how do we improve from there if we place all of our eggs in one basket? Also, who else is proposing a comparable offer that he would extend with? Boston and OKC could, but are those teams on his list of possible destinations?
In the event that we did give up Gordon and the Minny pick for Paul, we better not be taking back Okafor, Ariza or any other “bad contract.” We would then still have young talent and expiring contracts to work with in order to upgrade the team through trade.
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Regardless of whether it's Dwight or CP3...
I truly believe that landing one of those two would lead to at least one Clippers championship. Unlike the Heat, who have seemed somewhat dysfunctional in that there’s the Big Three and everyone else, the Clippers already have built-in chemistry with the players we already have, and Dwight and CP3 both have very clean reputations themselves. If the superteam concept ever works, it will be here, with Dwight or CP3.
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not to mention Eric Gordon knows how to close a game
CP3 makes everyone better, Wade makes owners/coaches cringe at his circus shots
Blake is a work horse, Bosh is a marshmellow
and the role players….Jordan, Mo, Foye, Gomes
…way better than the greatest that is Joel Anthony, not so-Super Mario Chalmers, Eddie doll-House, or the big Z that follows LeBron everywhere
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What makes the potential combo of CP-EJ-BG so great is that each player’s game compliments the other 2, a-la Boston’s big 3 but even more so. Miami has 2 superstars who both need the ball and neither can play the role of spot up shooter on a consistent basis. Then there’s Bosh, who has become more of a mid range guy and less of a post-presence.
by cassellmania on Nov 29, 2011 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
Taking an initial look at the cap: it looks like Clips would be over the $58M cap if they took on Okafor/CP3...
And going into the future, would surely be in the $70’s unless they made some changes. Is that $58M assumption still good? What about in 2012 and beyond?
I would do this deal probably
Foye, while not great, would not be a horrible starting 2 guard. Lets face it; he started about half of last year and we did fine. Kaman would not be a loss if we had already resigned DJ and got Okafor.
That leaves us set at PG, PF, C, with a small hole at SG and a gaping one at SF. Our bench would be great, but I would much rather put in Bledsoe and Aminu instead of EJ. I dont think NO would go for it though.
If we put in EJ, we would definitely not put in Foye as well
Though we could try an experiment with Mo and CP3 being the starting backcourt lol. We would certainly score a lot.
CP3 would be a great xmas gift but not if we include EJ!
Kaman Bledsoe & the minny pick is more than enough Maybe include Aminu
and thats pushing it. Then we still have to worry about how much DJ is going
to cost us because if his amount gets ridiculous high then we have to worry
about signing a center and a small forward.
They can have Mo Williams if they want him
Kaman, Williams, Bledsoe, Aminu, Minny pick for CP3, Ariza, and Marco Belinelli.
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by ClipperBEAST on Nov 29, 2011 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
I would do this
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
LOL... the Celtics think the Hornets would take Rajon Rondo for Chris Paul, straight up.
I’d respond to that by laughing and then asking what the real offer is, especially since the Clippers are offering a high lotto pick in an extremely deep draft. Rondo can’t shoot, and he has attitude problems. There’s a reason the C’s have shopped him around multiple times.
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"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
It drives me crazy how many people overvalue Rondo
Not so much though when Celtic fans do it though…he’s their player..the fans should think highly of him. But Rondo for CP3..gotta draw the line of delusion somewhere.
yeah, the performance against the Lakers alone showed how a healthy CP3 can dominate...
and push a more talented team to the brink. If Clips can get him while still relatively young, they should even if Gordon is involved imo.
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There are, however, a few other teams Paul would consider signing extensions with, most notably the Los Angeles Clippers. Yes, the Clippers.
Now that Blake Griffin plays for L.A.’s other team, the Clippers have become a hot destination franchise. Stacked with young talent, they could offer any combination of Eric Gordon, Mo Williams, DeAndre Jordan, Chris Kaman and Al-Farouq Aminu.
But while the Clippers like Paul, sources say they like Dwight Howard even more. The Clippers have made it clear to executives throughout the league that they will do whatever it takes — outside of trading Griffin — to get Howard, who will become a free agent at the same time as Paul, either this season or next summer. So they will not move the players they’ll try to use to get Howard to New Orleans for Paul.
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/33566/chris-paul-and-new-yorks-hopes
by dulciusXasperis on Nov 29, 2011 10:14 PM PST reply actions
Maybe it's
DJ + Bledsoe + Mo-Will + Kaman + Minny Pick
for
CP3 + Okafor + Ariza
"look, you can find any coach you want, bring him in here and run the situation. But I don't think they are going to do as good a job as I do." -Mike Dunleavy Sr.
Just remember that DJ has to agree to go to New Orleans in this deal.
Unless it’s after the date in which recently signed players can be traded.
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i'd rather keep DJ
if we have to take on Oka…then they can have the newly tattooed Gomes
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